[GRLUG] So long.

Godwin geektoyz at gmail.com
Sun May 12 18:10:47 EDT 2013

Greets Bob, et. al.,

Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification).  I
assure you I did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than
what default behavior Mailman applies).  Looking that the held message's
headers, it seems the list's email address was not explicitly listed, but
rather BCC'd.  See message header:

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Subject: NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
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The bounce notification you received was due to Mailman's default config -
where the list has to be explicitly listed as a recipient.

Just to clarify, I like to think of the LUG as self-owned.  :-)  As Van
pointed out, he, Wes, Eric and others had something here in GR going when I
found them (while at E.M.U).  I came from the Ypsilanti LUG and together we
got this one off the ground.  I'd like to think its members make the LUG
and, as my kids often remind me, you can't own people, it belongs to all of
us - yes Bob you as well.

If you'd like to come back, and I speak for myself, I'd welcome you.


P.S.  An honorable mention goes to those of you who presently hold the LUG
together (you know who you are), as we "old timers" have as
much involvement as our schedules allow.  Thanks to you all.

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Van <van at dedserius.com> wrote:

> Bob:
> There is nothing nefarious going on here.  Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes
> Jennings and I created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for
> businesses and souls in the west Michigan area better than any moderator
> I've ever observed.  You can put me down for 18 years UNIX experience, if
> that's even relevant.
> While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning,
> a better way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator)
> the specific messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.
> This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic
> open source technologies.
> I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here.  Hope
> you do stay and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.
> Peace,
> Van
> On May 12, 2013, at 13:58, Casey DuBois <grlugcasey at gmail.com> wrote:
> I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing
> intentional going on here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message
> it will work fine.
> Regards,
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> On May 12, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben --
> I don't intend to discuss this much, but
> I had no CC in my message, and there
> isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
> unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
> As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
> gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
> repeat that individuals have their own ideas
> about this, but in my ten years there's never
> been a statement about what's considered
> on-topic.  It's seat of the pants, or dictated
> by strong willed individuals who can't be
> bothered to ignore anything that's not of
> interest to them.  There's more chatter
> generated by a few in response to a message
> they deem inappropriate than would have
> been the case by deleting it and moving on.
> It's Godwin's group.  He can be the final word
> on it.  But I'm done with it all.
>    -- Bob
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bob,
>> I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no
>> moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A
>> policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion
>> has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group
>> mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation,
>> then it isn't happening.
>> In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam
>> filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word
>> "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible
>> that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that
>> message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that
>> you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the
>> bounce came from them.
>> I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being
>> moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic
>> discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
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