[GRLUG] So long.

Sun May 12 20:30:49 EDT 2013

top posting to be out of place. 

here! here! Bob, you are welcome as far as I'm concerned. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 18:10:47 Godwin wrote:

Greets Bob, et. al.,

Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification).  I assure you I 
did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than what default behavior Mailman 
applies).  Looking that the held message's headers, it seems the list's email address 
was not explicitly listed, but rather BCC'd.  See message header:

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Subject: NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
*From: Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com[1]>*
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The bounce notification you received was due to Mailman's default config - where the 
list has to be explicitly listed as a recipient.

Just to clarify, I like to think of the LUG as self-owned.  :-)  As Van pointed out, he, Wes, 
Eric and others had something here in GR going when I found them (while at E.M.U).  I 
came from the Ypsilanti LUG and together we got this one off the ground.  I'd like to 
think its members make the LUG and, as my kids often remind me, you can't own 
people, it belongs to all of us - yes Bob you as well.

If you'd like to come back, and I speak for myself, I'd welcome you.

thanks,
Godwin

P.S.  An honorable mention goes to those of you who presently hold the LUG together 
(you know who you are), as we "old timers" have as much involvement as our 
schedules allow.  Thanks to you all.

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Van <van at dedserius.com[7]> wrote:

Bob:

There is nothing nefarious going on here.  Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes Jennings and I 
created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for businesses and souls in 
the west Michigan area better than any moderator I've ever observed.  You can put me 
down for 18 years UNIX experience, if that's even relevant.

While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning, a better 
way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator) the specific 
messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.

This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic open source 
technologies.

I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here.  Hope you do stay 
and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.

Peace,
Van

grlugcasey at gmail.com[8]> wrote:

I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing intentional going on 
here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message it will work fine. 

Regards,
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942[9]

bob.kline at gmail.com[1]> wrote:

Hi Ben --

I don't intend to discuss this much, but
I had no CC in my message, and there
isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX," 
unless intentionally taken as a phrase.

As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
repeat that individuals have their own ideas
about this, but in my ten years there's never
been a statement about what's considered
on-topic.  It's seat of the pants, or dictated 
by strong willed individuals who can't be 
bothered to ignore anything that's not of 
interest to them.  There's more chatter 
generated by a few in response to a message 
they deem inappropriate than would have
been the case by deleting it and moving on.

It's Godwin's group.  He can be the final word
on it.  But I'm done with it all. 

   -- Bob

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