<div dir="ltr">Greets Bob, et. al.,<div><br></div><div>Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification). I assure you I did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than what default behavior Mailman applies). Looking that the held message's headers, it seems the list's email address was not explicitly listed, but rather BCC'd. See message header:</div>
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<div><font face="courier new, monospace" color="#38761d">Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+Xn_Pb7SWUnbieB_R-9-VTcu=<a href="mailto:Z7V7m8qrbHepYAsMW2w@mail.gmail.com">Z7V7m8qrbHepYAsMW2w@mail.gmail.com</a>></font></div><div><font face="courier new, monospace" color="#38761d">Subject: NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.</font></div>
<div><font face="courier new, monospace" color="#ff0000"><b>From: Bob Kline <<a href="mailto:bob.kline@gmail.com">bob.kline@gmail.com</a>></b></font></div><div><font face="courier new, monospace" color="#ff0000"><b>To: undisclosed-recipients:;</b></font></div>
<div><font face="courier new, monospace" color="#38761d">Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d6264d402b004dc626d51</font></div><div><br></div><div style>The bounce notification you received was due to Mailman's default config - where the list has to be explicitly listed as a recipient.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Just to clarify, I like to think of the LUG as self-owned. :-) As Van pointed out, he, Wes, Eric and others had something here in GR going when I found them (while at E.M.U). I came from the Ypsilanti LUG and together we got this one off the ground. I'd like to think its members make the LUG and, as my kids often remind me, you can't own people, it belongs to all of us - yes Bob you as well.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>If you'd like to come back, and I speak for myself, I'd welcome you.</div><div style><br></div><div style>thanks,</div><div style>Godwin</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">P.S. An honorable mention goes to those of you who presently hold the LUG together (you know who you are), as we "old timers" have as much involvement as our schedules allow. Thanks to you all.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Van <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:van@dedserius.com" target="_blank">van@dedserius.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Bob:</div><div><br></div><div>There is nothing nefarious going on here. Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes Jennings and I created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for businesses and souls in the west Michigan area better than any moderator I've ever observed. You can put me down for 18 years UNIX experience, if that's even relevant.</div>
<div><br></div><div>While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning, a better way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator) the specific messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic open source technologies.</div><div><br></div><div>I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here. Hope you do stay and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Van</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On May 12, 2013, at 13:58, Casey DuBois <<a href="mailto:grlugcasey@gmail.com" target="_blank">grlugcasey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing intentional going on here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message it will work fine. <br><br>Regards,<div>
Casey DuBois</div><div><a href="tel:616-808-6942" value="+16168086942" target="_blank">616-808-6942</a></div></div><div><br>On May 12, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Bob Kline <<a href="mailto:bob.kline@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.kline@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Ben --<div><br></div><div>I don't intend to discuss this much, but</div><div>I had no CC in my message, and there</div><div>isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"</div>
<div>unless intentionally taken as a phrase.</div><div><br></div><div>As for "off-topic discussions," that simply</div><div>gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply</div><div>
repeat that individuals have their own ideas</div><div>about this, but in my ten years there's never</div><div>been a statement about what's considered</div><div>on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated</div>
<div>by strong willed individuals who can't be </div><div>bothered to ignore anything that's not of </div><div>interest to them. There's more chatter </div><div>generated by a few in response to a message</div>
<div>they deem inappropriate than would have</div><div>been the case by deleting it and moving on.</div><div><br></div><div>It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word</div><div>on it. But I'm done with it all.</div>
<div><br></div><div> -- Bob</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brousch@gmail.com" target="_blank">brousch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Bob,<div><br></div><div>I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation, then it isn't happening.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the bounce came from them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>-- <br> Ben Rousch<br> <a href="mailto:brousch@gmail.com" target="_blank">brousch@gmail.com</a><br> <a href="http://clusterbleep.net/" target="_blank">http://clusterbleep.net/</a>
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