[GRLUG] NOT LINUX - net neutrality

[Bob Kline]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Kyle <dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

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> And of course few ISPs are
> truly independent of the big
> players, who own the backbones.
> Those have to be paid for too.
>
> Odd however that Google puts a
> 1Gbps system in Kansas, and doesn't
> seem to worry about the cost.  In fact
> does so as a test case should Internet
> neutrality, which it depends on, totally
> breaks down.
>
> And there are towns like Lafayette, LA,
> which have their own fiber Internet, and
> charge $58 a month for 50 Mbps - full
> duplex!
>
> Yes, they too use the same backbones
> as everyone else.  But there's room to
> believe there's something wrong with the
> current price picture.  And remember that
> ISPs are often monopolies - at least the
> wire and fiber parts.
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Chase Bolen <chase.bolen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That only works for the minority of people who:
>> 1) have a choice of ISPs
>> 2) can afford it
>>
>> 3) understand what an SLA is
>>
>> Are the vast majority of Americans essentially doomed to a mickey mouse
>> internet?
>> On Sep 23, 2011 12:56 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/u-net-neutrality-rules-effect-november-160334496.html
>> >> The game is pretty simple.  The little
>> >> people want the Internet to be content
>> >> neutral.
>> >
>> > So do network operators, oddly enough.
>> >
>> >> Internet providers don't.
>> >
>> > AT&T and Comcast, no; they have divisions whose profit motives are add
>> > odds with each other; it doesn't do Comcast's ISP side any good to
>> > block Netflix for their customers, and it doesn't do Comcast's video
>> > services side any good to allow a competing service down pipes the
>> > company already owns.
>> >
>> >> Does anyone see anything more to the issue
>> >> than that?  i.e., anything that doesn't simply
>> >> mean the providers want to throw more ads
>> >> at you, and decide just what you look at?
>> >> That I can tell, the providers still have the
>> >> last word on all this.  The little people can
>> >> switch providers, but their control ends there.
>> >
>> > Don't like it? Pay to get an internet connection from an ISP whose
>> > only interest is moving data around. Or pay for an internet connection
>> > with an SLA. Don't get a cheap, subsidized* internet connection and
>> > then complain about limitations placed on that connections because
>> > they conflict with the source of the subsidy.
>> >
>> > * VOIP, VOD, television, ads, etc.
>> >
>> > There's no such thing as a free lunch; there's only paid lunch or stolen
>> lunch.
>> >
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> ****If your belief in this is that strong, the solution is clear: start
> your own ISP.  Provide the competition you desire.  Those who are vehement
> about it enough to switch for the same reason can, and rather than trying to
> force the hand of those who are giving you something different than you
> want, you can lead by example.  If you get it large enough to be a threat,
> maybe the other providers will change to compete with you.  If not, you can
> still provide a niche service.  As I see it, it's the same reason some
> companies sell machines preloaded with Linux.****
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> ****Although that sort of thing does require more than just talking about
> it.****
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> ****- Kyle****
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>
I see a pretty big bag of points here.
Part of it appeals to good old fashioned
capitalism and competition.  Competition
works.  Which is why most businesses
hate it, and do whatever they can to
defeat it.

The FCC tried to define and implement
net neutrality.  Next thing one hears is
members of Congress saying that kind
of thing is their job.  Think anyone got to
them?

"Start your own ISP" usually means going
big, or at least leasing capacity from existing
big players.  Hard to see how that could end
up being cheaper.  For the technically
sophisticated, setting up a local network is
completely feasible.  People talked about it
here a while back.  Uhmm, talking is usually the
first step before simply wasting one's time,
effort, and money.

   -- Bob

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