[GRLUG] NOT LINUX - net neutrality

[Bob Kline]

Yes, money can be a wonderful thing.
Regarding item 2, saying that one gets
what they pay for seems like a stretch.
What I read says data traffic on Comcast's
cables is phenomenally profitable.  If
anything, it is subsidizing programming
costs for it's cable TV operations.

It's hard to take this a lot further without
actually knowing some financial facts, but
anecdotally, looking at systems like
Lafayette, LA,  Google, etc - and there
are many more apparently - Comcast is
expensive, if less so than some smaller
players.

Oh, and yes, it's pretty clear that Comcast
was interfering with BitTorrent until it was
caught.  What else probably depends on
who's looking, but I suspect that as Comcast
tries to milk NBC, there will be more issues.

   -- Bob


On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Chase Bolen <chase.bolen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That only works for the minority of people who:
> > 1) have a choice of ISPs
>
> Which is the majority of Americans. Vast majority, when you only look
> at urban and suburban areas.
>
> > 2) can afford it
>
> That's the kicker, isn't it? But that's why you shouldn't complain
> when you get what you pay for; subsidized services aren't going to be
> as nice as pure services, but they will be comparatively cheap.
>
> > 3) understand what an SLA is
>
> It's called reading the contract, and realizing that the terms are
> dependent on what you pay for them to be. If a provider won't budge,
> you *do* have other options. It may mean not going with AT&T ADSL or
> VDSL*, and not going with Comcast cable. It may mean using a leased
> line, or it may mean getting dedicated copper or fiber. If you're
> closer to downtown, you can get a gigabit network connection via one
> of the metro ethernet providers.
>
> * More generally known as U-Verse
> >
> > Are the vast majority of Americans essentially doomed to a mickey mouse
> > internet?
>
> No, they need to learn, drop their myopia, and not expect things to be
> handed to them on a silver platter.
>
> The stuff isn't free. People (like me, even) who go for data-only
> network connections from consumer-grade ISPs like Comcast get a cheap
> Internet connection at the expense of some functionality. (I don't
> know what/that Comcast is messing with my connectivity, but I know
> that consumer ISPs blocking things like port 25 or inbound port 80 is
> old hat.)
>
> I didn't know half of this stuff two years ago. I learned, and I'm
> working my way up in terms of knowledge and capability. If you don't
> want to work to do more than scratch the surface, you're not going to
> see past it.
>
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