[GRLUG] Google and Kansas City
Bob Kline
bob.kline at gmail.com
Thu Mar 31 03:52:58 EDT 2011
http://michwave.com/coverage.html
<http://michwave.com/coverage.html>Covers GR nicely.
http://michwave.com/services_details_internet.html
Definitely not cheap, although
"up to" 5Mbps probably beats the
heck out of satellite.
My understanding is that HughesNet
has a daily byte quote of about 1GB.
Not clear with Michwave.
http://www.azulstar.com/services/consumer-services/
Looks like a good value if it's a
solid service. "Unlimited usage."
http://www.dslreports.com/comments/3027
People seem happy enough with it.
-- Bob
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Rob Steenwyk <rsteenwyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chase, have you looked into wireless ISPs like Michwave or Azulstar? My
> parents use Michwave and it has been a very solid service.
>
> On Mar 30, 2011 11:08 PM, "Chase Bolen" <chase.bolen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm one of those people who live in the boonies. We're maybe twenty
> > minutes from downtown GR. When we moved here, we were under the
> > impression that there WERE faster wires here, but it turned out that
> > "here" according to the ISPs was "in our zipcode".
> >
> > We have satellite internet, and it's NOT a broadband replacement. Three
> > to six second round-trip packet times make anything media related either
> > unusable or nearly so (youtube, pandora, hulu). Sites using ajax barely
> > work, and often time out. Anything real time is pretty much out of the
> > question (Skype, online gaming). Even if those DID work, though, the
> > bandwidth caps would get hit pretty quickly. On top of this, the
> > service is way more expensive than most other "broadband" choices, and
> > wouldn't be an option for a lot of people.
> >
> > I just heard a story about local governments posting notices on the web
> > instead of in newspapers, and I don't think this trend is going to slow
> > down in the near future. Commercial ISPs aren't going to willingly lose
> > money to wire sparsely populated rural areas. Just like electrification
> > in the 20th century, real broadband isn't going to reach the rest of us
> > without government intervention.
> >
> > On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 21:54 -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > > That's basically it. More performance,
> > > in the most general sense, will cost more,
> > > but it's up to the individual to decide what
> > > they want to spend their money on. It's
> > > no different than how people decide what
> > > kind of car to drive, or how big a TV they
> > > have to have.
> > >
> > >
> > > For those in the boonies, some chose to
> > > live where it's not economic to run the
> > > faster wires. But there's still HughesNet.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > Are you advocating Government involvement?
> > > Should the market place relegate this fair city to the bottom
> > > of the heap?
> > > And why do cows need high speed Internet?
> > >
> > > There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > From: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
> > > <grlug at grlug.org>
> > > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:10:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Google and Kansas City
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a real, genuine fear that we're going about this with a
> > > *severe* case of myopia.
> > >
> > > I had difficulty navigating the web in 2007 on dial-up, with
> > > image
> > > bugs, large banner ads, huge JavaScript loads, large CSS
> > > loads,
> > > fifteen 5k or so avatar images whenever you visit a forum
> > > thread--even
> > > auto-play video video advertisements...Imagine how bad it is
> > > now.
> > > There are places within twenty miles of here which can't get
> > > cable,
> > > DSL, or even a reliable cell signal.
> > >
> > > Those involved in designing web services purchase very
> > > high-end
> > > network connections, get accustomed to those connections, and
> > > then
> > > *design* for those connections. It's a really bad
> > > self-reinforcing
> > > loop. Much like how software got slower as computers got
> > > faster, but
> > > it's much harder to raise the median Internet connection speed
> > > than it
> > > is to raise the median computer speed.
> > >
> > > There is a not-insignificant fraction of the population in
> > > America
> > > itself which is still going to be completely out of reach of
> > > even
> > > 10Mb/s Internet commercial services in ten years, and people
> > > gripe
> > > that our municipality isn't acting like those which take out a
> > > 25-year
> > > mortgage on their own essential services infrastructure to
> > > "give" us
> > > access to gigabit broadband connections below cost.
> > >
> > > I can't be the only one who's noticing this. In order for a
> > > bound-to-the-Internet economy to be sustainable, Internet
> > > services
> > > need to be virtually ubiquitous, and essential activities need
> > > to be
> > > manageable on lower-end Internet connections.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Bob Kline
> > > <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/google-bestows-1gbps-fiber-network-on-kansas-city-kansas.ars
> > > > This gives a good summary about
> > > > why Google is doing this. It thinks
> > > > it needs higher speeds to support
> > > > future projects. And it clearly sees
> > > > that the existing big providers are
> > > > digging in, not providing higher speeds,
> > > > and not above not letting others do
> > > > it either.
> > > > It will be interesting to see how this
> > > > plays out. Chattanooga, TN, already
> > > > has a 1Gbps system.
> > > > -- Bob
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