[GRLUG] Google and Kansas City

Bob Kline bob.kline at gmail.com
Thu Mar 31 03:52:58 EDT 2011


 http://michwave.com/coverage.html

<http://michwave.com/coverage.html>Covers GR nicely.

http://michwave.com/services_details_internet.html

Definitely not cheap, although
"up to" 5Mbps probably beats the
heck out of satellite.

My understanding is that HughesNet
has a daily byte quote of about 1GB.
Not clear with Michwave.

http://www.azulstar.com/services/consumer-services/

Looks like a good value if it's a
solid service.  "Unlimited usage."

http://www.dslreports.com/comments/3027

People seem happy enough with it.


    -- Bob


On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Rob Steenwyk <rsteenwyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chase, have you looked into wireless ISPs like Michwave or Azulstar? My
> parents use Michwave and it has been a very solid service.
>
> On Mar 30, 2011 11:08 PM, "Chase Bolen" <chase.bolen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm one of those people who live in the boonies.  We're maybe twenty
> > minutes from downtown GR.  When we moved here, we were under the
> > impression that there WERE faster wires here, but it turned out that
> > "here" according to the ISPs was "in our zipcode".
> >
> > We have satellite internet, and it's NOT a broadband replacement.  Three
> > to six second round-trip packet times make anything media related either
> > unusable or nearly so (youtube, pandora, hulu).  Sites using ajax barely
> > work, and often time out.  Anything real time is pretty much out of the
> > question (Skype, online gaming).  Even if those DID work, though, the
> > bandwidth caps would get hit pretty quickly.  On top of this, the
> > service is way more expensive than most other "broadband" choices, and
> > wouldn't be an option for a lot of people.
> >
> > I just heard a story about local governments posting notices on the web
> > instead of in newspapers, and I don't think this trend is going to slow
> > down in the near future.  Commercial ISPs aren't going to willingly lose
> > money to wire sparsely populated rural areas.  Just like electrification
> > in the 20th century, real broadband isn't going to reach the rest of us
> > without government intervention.
> >
> > On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 21:54 -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > > That's basically it.  More performance,
> > > in the most general sense, will cost more,
> > > but it's up to the individual to decide what
> > > they want to spend their money on.  It's
> > > no different than how people decide what
> > > kind of car to drive, or how big a TV they
> > > have to have.
> > >
> > >
> > > For those in the boonies, some chose to
> > > live where it's not economic to run the
> > > faster wires.  But there's still HughesNet.
> > >
> > >
> > >    -- Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >         Are you advocating Government involvement?
> > >         Should the market place relegate this fair city to the bottom
> > >         of the heap?
> > >         And why do cows need high speed Internet?
> > >
> > >         There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         ______________________________________________________________
> > >         From: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
> > >         To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
> > >         <grlug at grlug.org>
> > >         Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:10:56 PM
> > >         Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Google and Kansas City
> > >
> > >
> > >         I have a real, genuine fear that we're going about this with a
> > >         *severe* case of myopia.
> > >
> > >         I had difficulty navigating the web in 2007 on dial-up, with
> > >         image
> > >         bugs, large banner ads, huge JavaScript loads, large CSS
> > >         loads,
> > >         fifteen 5k or so avatar images whenever you visit a forum
> > >         thread--even
> > >         auto-play video video advertisements...Imagine how bad it is
> > >         now.
> > >         There are places within twenty miles of here which can't get
> > >         cable,
> > >         DSL, or even a reliable cell signal.
> > >
> > >         Those involved in designing web services purchase very
> > >         high-end
> > >         network connections, get accustomed to those connections, and
> > >         then
> > >         *design* for those connections. It's a really bad
> > >         self-reinforcing
> > >         loop. Much like how software got slower as computers got
> > >         faster, but
> > >         it's much harder to raise the median Internet connection speed
> > >         than it
> > >         is to raise the median computer speed.
> > >
> > >         There is a not-insignificant fraction of the population in
> > >         America
> > >         itself which is still going to be completely out of reach of
> > >         even
> > >         10Mb/s Internet commercial services in ten years, and people
> > >         gripe
> > >         that our municipality isn't acting like those which take out a
> > >         25-year
> > >         mortgage on their own essential services infrastructure to
> > >         "give" us
> > >         access to gigabit broadband connections below cost.
> > >
> > >         I can't be the only one who's noticing this. In order for a
> > >         bound-to-the-Internet economy to be sustainable, Internet
> > >         services
> > >         need to be virtually ubiquitous, and essential activities need
> > >         to be
> > >         manageable on lower-end Internet connections.
> > >
> > >         On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Bob Kline
> > >         <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >         >
> > >         >
> > >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/google-bestows-1gbps-fiber-network-on-kansas-city-kansas.ars
> > >         > This gives a good summary about
> > >         > why Google is doing this.  It thinks
> > >         > it needs higher speeds to support
> > >         > future projects.  And it clearly sees
> > >         > that the existing big providers are
> > >         > digging in, not providing higher speeds,
> > >         > and not above not letting others do
> > >         > it either.
> > >         > It will be interesting to see how this
> > >         > plays out.  Chattanooga, TN, already
> > >         > has a 1Gbps system.
> > >         >    -- Bob
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