[GRLUG] Is ITT Tech a Good School?

[Bob Kline]

As you say, knowledge is power, but
not necessarily the power to get you
a job in this ever more bureaucratic
world, where often "managers" don't
know their butts from their elbows.

But at bottom, knowledge is a wonderful
thing, however you get it.  It makes your
life more interesting, no matter what your
circumstance, and can be a life long
pursuit, where the more you get the
more you want and the more the world
will make sense to you.

Except for politics....   :-(

   -- Bob


On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM, mooselikebriard <moosebriard at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am the kicker of the hornet's nest.
>
> Knowledge is power.  Does not matter where you attain the knowledge.
> My company just 'released' from employment (in our IT department) one
> gentlemen with nearly a Master's degree in economics.  Nice guy, but
> horrible at managing resources.  Technical ability questionable when
> he began, he was capable of learning.
>
> His replacement has a Bachelor's from a highly respected military
> school.  Time will tell if he has the moxie to handle our Corporate
> environment.  The first week he ticked everyone off and alienated
> himself from much of the tutoring he could have received to acclimate
> to the new environment.  Technical ability SERIOUSLY questionable.
>
> I have observed that neither of these gentlemen appear to have the
> real-world skills necessary to be a serious mover and shaker: one too
> timid, the other too distant from his people and customers.
> Meanwhile, I get the work done, behind the scenes for the most part.
> When people call, they call me.
>
> The Corporation I work for has a diploma requirement to be considered
> for hire.  So here I am, back in school for the diploma.
>
> A good lesson for all you younger folks reading this-
>
> The diploma itself may land you the job, but it is what you actually
> learn (and retain) while getting it as well as your people skills that
> will keep the job.
>
> On 2/22/11, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There was a fine system of two-year
> > schools in MI 50 years ago. At Ferris
> > you could learn anything from refrigeration
> > to auto mechanics to welding
> >
> > In the 1960s the push was on to make
> > those schools four year schools.  That
> > meant padding them out with lots of
> > humanities courses and other cultural
> > icons, thus forcing those who wanted
> > to learn a trade and then go out and get
> > a good job be there longer, and spend
> > more.
> >
> > A racket to be sure, it's well to keep
> > in mind that schools are businesses
> > just like any other.  Schools are forced
> > to get accreditation in order grant valid
> > degrees.  In oder to do this, someone
> > else decides what constitutes an
> > education.  And in the real world that's
> > more than just being competent at
> > something, which should be enough.
> > Employers reinforce this by requiring a
> > diploma saying you know something,
> > because most "managers" today don't
> > have the moxy to properly interview
> > someone.  And would probably get
> > sued in this PC correct world if they
> > tried.
> >
> > Face it folks, the US was a more
> > practical country 50 years ago, and
> > got things done.  But as Donald Trump
> > recently said "We just don't have it any
> > more as a country."  Which I mostly
> > take as too much gov't involvement,
> > and too little common sense all around.
> >
> >     -- Bob
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Mike Williams
> > <knightperson at zuzax.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I did the college thing for a few years right out of highschool, but
> >> wasn't
> >> ready for it at the time. After 10-15 years of muddling around without a
> >> degree I went back, and I will graduate with a Bachelors in IT
> >> (specialization in security) in about 2 months. I chose University of
> >> Phoenix's online program for the flexible scheduling, because they've
> been
> >> doing online longer than most other schools, and because their program
> is
> >> aimed at teaching adults. My experience has been generally positive,
> >> although marred by technical issues early on and a curriculum dispute
> more
> >> recently.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, higher education does not so much "teach" as "certify
> that
> >> you learned." In a traditional liberal arts program teaching 20 year old
> >> students that might be less true, but the responsibility for learning
> >> falls
> >> on the student not the university.
> >>
> >> When choosing a school that you will be giving a pile of money to, ask
> >> some
> >> very good questions about accreditation. There are national and regional
> >> accreditations, and if a school doesn't have both then look elsewhere. U
> >> of
> >> P has both and is still looked down on by many organizations, and a
> degree
> >> from a school that doesn't have its accreditation is basically useless.
> >> Years ago, ITT was in that "unaccredited and useless" category, but I
> >> don't
> >> know if that has changed. To those who say bad things about U of P, I
> >> admit
> >> that they practice open admission (basically, they'll take anybody as a
> >> student) but they don't give out good grades just for showing up.
> >>
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