[GRLUG] Is ITT Tech a Good School?

[mooselikebriard]

I am the kicker of the hornet's nest.

Knowledge is power.  Does not matter where you attain the knowledge.
My company just 'released' from employment (in our IT department) one
gentlemen with nearly a Master's degree in economics.  Nice guy, but
horrible at managing resources.  Technical ability questionable when
he began, he was capable of learning.

His replacement has a Bachelor's from a highly respected military
school.  Time will tell if he has the moxie to handle our Corporate
environment.  The first week he ticked everyone off and alienated
himself from much of the tutoring he could have received to acclimate
to the new environment.  Technical ability SERIOUSLY questionable.

I have observed that neither of these gentlemen appear to have the
real-world skills necessary to be a serious mover and shaker: one too
timid, the other too distant from his people and customers.
Meanwhile, I get the work done, behind the scenes for the most part.
When people call, they call me.

The Corporation I work for has a diploma requirement to be considered
for hire.  So here I am, back in school for the diploma.

A good lesson for all you younger folks reading this-

The diploma itself may land you the job, but it is what you actually
learn (and retain) while getting it as well as your people skills that
will keep the job.

On 2/22/11, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> There was a fine system of two-year
> schools in MI 50 years ago. At Ferris
> you could learn anything from refrigeration
> to auto mechanics to welding
>
> In the 1960s the push was on to make
> those schools four year schools.  That
> meant padding them out with lots of
> humanities courses and other cultural
> icons, thus forcing those who wanted
> to learn a trade and then go out and get
> a good job be there longer, and spend
> more.
>
> A racket to be sure, it's well to keep
> in mind that schools are businesses
> just like any other.  Schools are forced
> to get accreditation in order grant valid
> degrees.  In oder to do this, someone
> else decides what constitutes an
> education.  And in the real world that's
> more than just being competent at
> something, which should be enough.
> Employers reinforce this by requiring a
> diploma saying you know something,
> because most "managers" today don't
> have the moxy to properly interview
> someone.  And would probably get
> sued in this PC correct world if they
> tried.
>
> Face it folks, the US was a more
> practical country 50 years ago, and
> got things done.  But as Donald Trump
> recently said "We just don't have it any
> more as a country."  Which I mostly
> take as too much gov't involvement,
> and too little common sense all around.
>
>     -- Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Mike Williams
> <knightperson at zuzax.com>wrote:
>
>> I did the college thing for a few years right out of highschool, but
>> wasn't
>> ready for it at the time. After 10-15 years of muddling around without a
>> degree I went back, and I will graduate with a Bachelors in IT
>> (specialization in security) in about 2 months. I chose University of
>> Phoenix's online program for the flexible scheduling, because they've been
>> doing online longer than most other schools, and because their program is
>> aimed at teaching adults. My experience has been generally positive,
>> although marred by technical issues early on and a curriculum dispute more
>> recently.
>>
>> In my opinion, higher education does not so much "teach" as "certify that
>> you learned." In a traditional liberal arts program teaching 20 year old
>> students that might be less true, but the responsibility for learning
>> falls
>> on the student not the university.
>>
>> When choosing a school that you will be giving a pile of money to, ask
>> some
>> very good questions about accreditation. There are national and regional
>> accreditations, and if a school doesn't have both then look elsewhere. U
>> of
>> P has both and is still looked down on by many organizations, and a degree
>> from a school that doesn't have its accreditation is basically useless.
>> Years ago, ITT was in that "unaccredited and useless" category, but I
>> don't
>> know if that has changed. To those who say bad things about U of P, I
>> admit
>> that they practice open admission (basically, they'll take anybody as a
>> student) but they don't give out good grades just for showing up.
>>
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