[GRLUG] I vote for the warehouse

[Ben DeMott]

I just did a talk on Spatial GEOS, libspatialindex, matplotlib for the
GRPUG... All of the packages were available for Ubuntu... OpenSuse, and
Fedora didn't have any of them available in supported repos... I know Debian
has good package coverage - that is never my complaint. Mostly as compared
to Fedora, OpenSuse, and the other popular ones I feel Ubuntu is years ahead
for mainstream usability for end-users.  No hassle get-started immediately
just works usability.  My non-technical friend had didn't use Linux until
Ubuntu came along - he just couldn't find his way around easily enough.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ben DeMott <ben.demott at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Exactly - they maintain support for any individual desktop release for at
> > LEAST 18 months
> > Which should be plenty...
> >
> > Plus with Ubuntu you can get all of the random no one's ever heard of
> > packages and you have the whole community behind you.
>
> Sure, except that the rest of the system is so integrated, you can't
> effectively use them. The whole community is only behind you so far as
> as you're using the packages they've heard of, in ways that are normal
> for them. I only *recently* heard about cnetworkmanager. Had I known
> about it almost two years ago, I never would have had to switch away
> for a tiling window manager for metacity.
>
> Try using supposedly supported features that aren't exactly commonly
> used (like various takes on Bluetooth, for example), and you find that
> things can be a little rough. Try googling for solutions, and you hit
> forum threads five years old, three years out of date, and a couple
> years out of most value.
>
> > I don't have time to
> > hack all the time .. whats why I left Debian, and others.
>
> So how many of those 'no one's ever heard of' packages do you use?
>
> I discovered that while those packages are available, they're
> effectively broken. Back when I first started using Ubuntu, and to
> this day, it was "oh, I just use [insert stock app here]". When I
> wandered over to the Debian community to try to figure it out, it was
> classic #debian: "#ubuntu is -->"
>
> I don't have time to hack all the time; I haven't written an
> interesting line of code for purely my own benefit in most of a year.
> However, I want my tools to work for me, not the other way around, and
> Ubuntu has tended to make that difficult.
>
> I use Ubuntu in a small set of use cases. I don't use it where I need
> to be productive.
>
> If my grandmother's netbook had a larger screen, I'd probably have set
> her up with Ubuntu. (The Netbook remix isn't quite right.) Her
> previous laptop, I had running Ubuntu.
>
> I've got Ubuntu on one laptop,  Ubuntu on the HTPC, Arch on the
> tablet, Debian on the VM host, and I'll install what I need beyond
> that as VM guests.
>
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> :wq
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