[GRLUG] Google and Kansas City

Wed Mar 30 22:27:00 EDT 2011

I agree with a lot of what you said, but i also want to say that many brick
and mortar stores can actually compete with online stores. They are just too
old fashioned and greedy to do it. I know because i own one and we can
compete and win against newegg on most things. :) but some product is easier
to do this with than others. Book stores would have a harder time than me
I'm sure.

--Sent from my android.
On Mar 30, 2011 10:13 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> My concern isn't that people in the boonies don't have access to
> high-speed Internet, my concern is this:
>
> 1) For those on the Internet, the Internet makes a huge amount of
> things cheaper.
> 2) For those on high-speed Internet connections, assumptions about the
> quality and nature of the web differ from those of people who are not
> on high-speed Internet connections.
> 3) The "makes things cheaper" nature of the Internet puts services
> which are exclusive to Internet presence at an advantage over those
> which maintain a IRL-only or a mixed presence, and eventually those
> services with IRL presence fold. Look at Western Union. Look at what's
> happening to book stores.
>
> What happens when (not if) this happens to essential services? I
> expect to see a large amount of disruption as systems and services
> essential to current culture become very difficult to use without good
> network access.
>
> Yes, the people who live in the boonies choose to live in the boonies.
> However, _someone_ has to, because dense population centers such as
> cities can't exist without large areas of agriculture, and that
> agricultural region isn't going to be without a human population. New
> York can't live in a vacuum.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's basically it.  More performance,
>> in the most general sense, will cost more,
>> but it's up to the individual to decide what
>> they want to spend their money on.  It's
>> no different than how people decide what
>> kind of car to drive, or how big a TV they
>> have to have.
>> For those in the boonies, some chose to
>> live where it's not economic to run the
>> faster wires.  But there's still HughesNet.
>>    -- Bob
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you advocating Government involvement?
>>> Should the market place relegate this fair city to the bottom of the
heap?
>>> And why do cows need high speed Internet?
>>>
>>> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
>>> <grlug at grlug.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:10:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Google and Kansas City
>>>
>>> I have a real, genuine fear that we're going about this with a
>>> *severe* case of myopia.
>>>
>>> I had difficulty navigating the web in 2007 on dial-up, with image
>>> bugs, large banner ads, huge JavaScript loads, large CSS loads,
>>> fifteen 5k or so avatar images whenever you visit a forum thread--even
>>> auto-play video video advertisements...Imagine how bad it is now.
>>> There are places within twenty miles of here which can't get cable,
>>> DSL, or even a reliable cell signal.
>>>
>>> Those involved in designing web services purchase very high-end
>>> network connections, get accustomed to those connections, and then
>>> *design* for those connections. It's a really bad self-reinforcing
>>> loop. Much like how software got slower as computers got faster, but
>>> it's much harder to raise the median Internet connection speed than it
>>> is to raise the median computer speed.
>>>
>>> There is a not-insignificant fraction of the population in America
>>> itself which is still going to be completely out of reach of even
>>> 10Mb/s Internet commercial services in ten years, and people gripe
>>> that our municipality isn't acting like those which take out a 25-year
>>> mortgage on their own essential services infrastructure to "give" us
>>> access to gigabit broadband connections below cost.
>>>
>>> I can't be the only one who's noticing this. In order for a
>>> bound-to-the-Internet economy to be sustainable, Internet services
>>> need to be virtually ubiquitous, and essential activities need to be
>>> manageable on lower-end Internet connections.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/google-bestows-1gbps-fiber-network-on-kansas-city-kansas.ars
>>> > This gives a good summary about
>>> > why Google is doing this.  It thinks
>>> > it needs higher speeds to support
>>> > future projects.  And it clearly sees
>>> > that the existing big providers are
>>> > digging in, not providing higher speeds,
>>> > and not above not letting others do
>>> > it either.
>>> > It will be interesting to see how this
>>> > plays out.  Chattanooga, TN, already
>>> > has a 1Gbps system.
>>> >    -- Bob
>>> > --
>>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> > believed to be clean.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > grlug mailing list
>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :wq
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> :wq
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20110330/b456b718/attachment-0001.html>