[GRLUG] OFF TOPIC - Speaking of Infrared...

Bob Kline bob.kline at gmail.com
Thu Jan 28 21:13:45 EST 2010


Oh, I understand.  The original question
was what Cyberguys level gadgets could
do in terms of seeing bad wiring inside a
wall.

If cost is no object, one can of course
do more.  A lot more.

Devices operating in the 1THz range
can see people inside their house.
Through walls.  There were discussions
about the legal implications of all this
several years ago.

    -- Bob


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/28/2010 8:48 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> > How cool was the room?
>
> Thermostat is normally 72F, but that's in another room. I'm in the room
> with the servers, which is usually about five higher.
>
> >
> > You seen to have a short sleve
> > shirt on, but I think I can see the
> > back of a chair,  walls in the the
> > background.  Is it a big room?
>
> I wear short-sleeves year-round, primarily because of the higher
> temperatures in the vicinity of my workstation. That was actually taken
> in Dec of 2007, I think. (The date is off on Flickr, but that's because
> the source is a BMP, and the timestamp was screwed up due to a few
> workstation migrations.)
>
> Room is about 750 ft^2, or about 6000ft^3.
>
> >
> > Jet gets to the fact that because
> > you stand out some the room might
> > be large, and-or cool
>
> I don't think you understand how far-IR temperature monitoring works.
> If you'd like, I can delve into a discussion of microbolometers and
> measurement adjustments stemming from surface emissivity, ambient
> temperature and ambient humidity values.
>
> There's more at work than just the wavelength of quanta, there's also
> intensity of emissions, considerations of atmospheric absorption and
> considerations of ambient temperatures reflecting off of other surfaces.
>
> What it boils down to is that in practical conditions, I can (and do,
> for use cases such as those that that software was written for) measure
> surface temperatures to within 0.01C.
>
> Don't forget I also control the palettization -- the conversion of raw
> temperature numbers to RGB pixels, which goes towards making differences
> "stand out."
>
> >
> >      -- Bob
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mikemol at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:bob.kline at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >      > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:mikemol at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> The chief problem with "darkvision" as it applies to passive
> >     near-IR is
> >      >> that there is a lot of ambient near-IR radiation that's not
> >     related to
> >      >> warm bodies.
> >      >>
> >      >> In short, your warm body radiation in the near-IR will be there,
> but
> >      >> largely drowned out by the ambient near-IR radiation.**
> >      >
> >      > The peak wavelength for a human body
> >      > thermal spectrum is 10 microns - in the so
> >      > called long-wave infrared range.  You shine
> >      > if you're standing out in the snow,  but the
> >      > human body is not really very hot.  About
> >      > the same as your house interior, which is
> >      > that temperature, by design. So you don't
> >      > stand out much.
> >      > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared
> >      >     -- Bob
> >
> >
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/28208534@N07/3681419505/in/set-72157620862996406/
> >
> >     I don't?
> >
> > What kind of image is this?  i.e., how
> > is it corrected?
> >
> >
> >
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