[GRLUG] "real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ; ) "

Bob Kline bob.kline at gmail.com
Sun Feb 7 17:10:29 EST 2010

I'd say the more conventional
use of "dark fiber" is all the trunk
capacity that was never "lit."  i.e.,
put in to service.

   -- Bob

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Ben DeMott <ben.demott at gmail.com> wrote:

> ??? Mythological -> The CDN we use at work has 90% of their data traveling
> across "Private Fiber" -> If you don't like the terminology "Dark Fiber"
> then I concede its a dumb phrase; albeit the phrase the engineers at the CDN
> use.
> : )
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <
> awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 15:23 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote:
>> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ben DeMott <ben.demott at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > I think it's a really cool idea - lot's of open source projects
>> distribute
>> > > their distributions this way -> and it seems to work quite well.
>> > This works well for distributions because they have a lot of users who
>> > want the data (Install CD) they're downloading and sharing. In the
>> > example initially brought up in this thread, the people joining the
>> > torrent have little to no incentive for downloading the data other
>> > than they are interested in Rosetta Code. Call me a pessimist, but I'd
>> > prefer that the integrity of my backup system depend on more than just
>> > someone's whim to give me hard drive space and bandwidth.
>> +1, this sounds to me like a rather dodgy form of backup, not all that
>> much better than when people can copying-to-another-drive "backup".
>> But there may be a kernel of a good idea.  If you have n data centers
>> that need backup capability [meaning off-site reliable storage] each
>> contributing some storage to a private cloud and peering would seem like
>> a good idea.  Of course [having tried this] negotiating that in reality
>> is rather unlikely.
>> > > Thanks for being willing and open to share unique ideas, even if it is
>> > > (just) a thought experiment, I feel people are too afraid to throw out
>> ideas
>> > > for fear of criticism so thanks for helping to break down that stigma.
>>  I
>> > > really would like grpug, and grlug to be an environment that no matter
>> the
>> > > topic or idea people can throw out their thoughts and experiences
>> without
>> > > having to be worried about judgment or criticism.
>> > I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. I would like to see grlug be a
>> > place where people can express their ideas specifically so that the
>> > idea can be picked over by people who know more than I do. If I ask
>> > something on the grlug list, I ask it because I value the criticism of
>> > the people on this list. There is a lot of experience here, and I want
>> > to tap into that. Of course, I'd prefer that people be friendly and
>> > constructive with their criticism, but I also don't want them to not
>> > criticise a silly idea because they're afraid of bruising my ego.
>> > I started GRPUG because I had no experience with Python and I wanted
>> > to learn the correct way of doing things from better programmers with
>> > more experience than I have. When I write some bad code, I want them
>> > to tell me so, and also let me know what I can do to make it better.
>> And I've seen his code...  Yikes!  It is almost as bad as mine - which
>> is scary.
>> > > Someone should start a business around this, that is privatized or the
>> > > backbone is dark fiber -> like a CDN, just the content would be large
>> files
>> > > that was distributed for quicker downloads.
>> The concept of "dark fiber" is almost entirely mythological.  There is a
>> lot of unused fiber capacity but that doesn't make it any cheaper to
>> connect to.
>> > I heard of a company doing this a couple of years ago, but I can't
>> > recall the name. This is a different company, but is using the same
>> > idea http://www.symform.com/
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