I'd say the more conventional<div>use of "dark fiber" is all the trunk</div><div>capacity that was never "lit." i.e.,</div><div>put in to service.</div><div><br></div><div> -- Bob</div><div><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Ben DeMott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben.demott@gmail.com">ben.demott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
??? Mythological -> The CDN we use at work has 90% of their data traveling across "Private Fiber" -> If you don't like the terminology "Dark Fiber" then I concede its a dumb phrase; albeit the phrase the engineers at the CDN use.<br>
<br>: )<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org" target="_blank">awilliam@whitemice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 15:23 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ben DeMott <<a href="mailto:ben.demott@gmail.com" target="_blank">ben.demott@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I think it's a really cool idea - lot's of open source projects distribute<br>
> > their distributions this way -> and it seems to work quite well.<br>
> This works well for distributions because they have a lot of users who<br>
> want the data (Install CD) they're downloading and sharing. In the<br>
> example initially brought up in this thread, the people joining the<br>
> torrent have little to no incentive for downloading the data other<br>
> than they are interested in Rosetta Code. Call me a pessimist, but I'd<br>
> prefer that the integrity of my backup system depend on more than just<br>
> someone's whim to give me hard drive space and bandwidth.<br>
<br>
</div>+1, this sounds to me like a rather dodgy form of backup, not all that<br>
much better than when people can copying-to-another-drive "backup".<br>
<br>
But there may be a kernel of a good idea. If you have n data centers<br>
that need backup capability [meaning off-site reliable storage] each<br>
contributing some storage to a private cloud and peering would seem like<br>
a good idea. Of course [having tried this] negotiating that in reality<br>
is rather unlikely.<br>
<div><br>
> > Thanks for being willing and open to share unique ideas, even if it is<br>
> > (just) a thought experiment, I feel people are too afraid to throw out ideas<br>
> > for fear of criticism so thanks for helping to break down that stigma. I<br>
> > really would like grpug, and grlug to be an environment that no matter the<br>
> > topic or idea people can throw out their thoughts and experiences without<br>
> > having to be worried about judgment or criticism.<br>
> I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. I would like to see grlug be a<br>
> place where people can express their ideas specifically so that the<br>
> idea can be picked over by people who know more than I do. If I ask<br>
> something on the grlug list, I ask it because I value the criticism of<br>
> the people on this list. There is a lot of experience here, and I want<br>
> to tap into that. Of course, I'd prefer that people be friendly and<br>
> constructive with their criticism, but I also don't want them to not<br>
> criticise a silly idea because they're afraid of bruising my ego.<br>
> I started GRPUG because I had no experience with Python and I wanted<br>
> to learn the correct way of doing things from better programmers with<br>
> more experience than I have. When I write some bad code, I want them<br>
> to tell me so, and also let me know what I can do to make it better.<br>
<br>
</div>And I've seen his code... Yikes! It is almost as bad as mine - which<br>
is scary.<br>
<div><br>
> > Someone should start a business around this, that is privatized or the<br>
> > backbone is dark fiber -> like a CDN, just the content would be large files<br>
> > that was distributed for quicker downloads.<br>
<br>
</div>The concept of "dark fiber" is almost entirely mythological. There is a<br>
lot of unused fiber capacity but that doesn't make it any cheaper to<br>
connect to.<br>
<div><br>
> I heard of a company doing this a couple of years ago, but I can't<br>
> recall the name. This is a different company, but is using the same<br>
> idea <a href="http://www.symform.com/" target="_blank">http://www.symform.com/</a><br>
<br>
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