[GRLUG] Fwd: NOT LINUX - broadband

[Michael Mol]

Asked a relative who's in the business as an OEM and for manual services.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steven D. Mol <spamstopper at centernet.info>
Date: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - broadband
To: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>


The "DS3" is the main item that is of importance here.  It sounds like
the building has a lot of fiber, but ADSL service (which is what he is
talking about) can't be put on fiber.  It is also quite possible that
that address is too far away from the CO to have ADSL service of any
quality.

As far as the $460/month figure goes, that's about right for T1
service.  What he should be looking into is a PBX that operates on a
PRI and get the "split-T" service from TDS (AT&T has it too, but the
reviews haven't been good).  That service gives him DID, Caller ID,
unlimited local calling, Internet access, etc, etc, etc - all for
about $400 to $600 per month.

If he is a really small "shop," the PRI/DID service can provide
services to multiple customers in the same building all off of the
same PBX.  This can be done either as a co-op or he can provide the
services to other tenants and possibly get his own services for
free...


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- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mol [mailto:mikemol at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:39 PM
To: Steven D. Mol
Subject: Fwd: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - broadband

Thoughts? I'll forward back to the mailing list.


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ben DeMott <ben.demott at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - broadband
To: grlug at grlug.org


I really think the Broadband infrastructure is a travesty in this country.
There are countless reasons why it is the way it is, in the
"Per-Capita Wealthiest Nation in the World" (according to the CIA
factbook)

The CIA Fact Book has some interesting statistics about "developed
regions" and "density regions".  If you only take into account these
areas that the Factbook compares as urban or "Density Regions" we have
one of the highest Population Densities in the world... All in all
there is really no excuse to not service these areas with high-end and
affordable broadband that is actually reliable.

I used to work across from the Airport at 44th and Patterson in a Huge
office complex.
There was all sorts of Fiber being piped into the buildings utility
room from the previous owner of the complex (Bosch) - Even a giant
at&t distribution frame labeled DS3-[serial-numbers].
but all that was available from both AT&T and TDS was T1 - and at a
hefty $460 a month.
I couldn't understand how EVERYTHING around us had business DSL, and
Cable available.
Comcast even considered servicing the building (of over 60 offices),
but nothing came of it.

If service providers aren't absolutely FORCED to provide better
data-service they won't they will keep offering the very minimum they
can, and issue government regulated lines - because there is more
profit in them!
Why install a DSL Circut when you can force business customers to pay
8 -  10 times the amount for T1's.

The biggest irony was, I still believe to this day there actually was
a DSL circut in the building....
AT&T fiber came in to a large Adtran Distribution Frame, and then that
distribution frame was attached to a box, the box had a bunch of cards
in it labeled "DSL-1234213" and twisted pairs coming out of the
cards...
But yet AT&T swore up and down there was no DSL service into the building.
Maybe if there is someone that knows more about phone and data
infrastructure they can explain to me what I am describing - I still
have access to the building I should go back and take pictures, I am
curious to this day.

It's also the biggest messiest MDF I've ever seen in my life, and
would serve as a good laugh for everyone.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, john-thomas richards <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 04:31:24PM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:56:42PM -0400, john-thomas richards wrote:
> [snip]
> > > > Of course Comcast would figure out some way
> > > > to screw it up.  One really wants Verizon, but
> > > > that's nowhere on the horizon.   That I know of,
> > > > FiOS tiers are 25, 50, and 100 Mbps, and the
> > > > prices are pretty nominal compared to what
> > > > one gets from Comcast.  $35 a month for 25 Mbps
> > > > I believe.
> > > >
> > > >     -- Bob
> > >
> > > Just keep telling ourselves, "it's coming...it's coming..."
> >
> >
> > And send some of that over this way to Lowell Township while you're at it.
> > :)
> >
> > --
> > John Foerch
>
> I honestly do not know what I would do with more bandwidth.  Faster
> upload would be great, but I don't run a server.  Backing up to my
> online backup would be more convenient, that's all.  I have the basic
> speed (8Mbps?) from Comcast and my wife and I can both watch something
> from hulu.com just fine.  I'm not sure what more speed would get me.
> Not that I wouldn't love it, mind you, I just don't know what I'd do
> with it.
> --
> john-thomas
> ------
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