[GRLUG] Linux @ school.
Justin Denick
justin.denick at gmail.com
Thu Oct 5 07:37:24 EDT 2006
On 10/5/06, Justin Denick <justin.denick at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> WTF!!!!!!!!
> I consider myself a computer geek, but if it weren't for FOSS I wouldn't
> have a keyboard to type on. Overpaid my a$$ Maybe at ameritech.
> All you have to do is vote. That is our right and our solution. Get enough
> people to the poles and no amount of money can stop you. Trust me the
> British had a helluva lot more money that 'ol G-money Washington, but what
> did GW do? He rallied and ranted and people follwed him. And he didn't even
> have a campaign team. This does has nothing to do with Linux, I'm just
> underpaid and pi$$ed about it.
Your wages are probably directly realted to your typing and grammer. iD10T
On 10/4/06, Jorge La <weeneedhelp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Was anyone listening to NPR about 3 months ago? Because their was a
> > report about how the US's economy is going to fall in about 30 years. They
> > said that wealth lasts 3 generations, and the US gained today's wealth from
> > WWII, and that wealth's rolling down to the third generation right now.
> >
> > It also pointed out how American's can't balance a checkbook, while the
> > Chiniese save 50% of what they make for future investments. The report
> > showed how HUNGRY China is for economic growth. They interviewed a
> > automotive line-worker in Shanghai how much she thinks her counterpart in
> > Detroit is getting paid. She guessed that the person in Detroit got paid
> > about double her salar, 12 bucks an hour. Then, she was shock to find out
> > they get paid 24 bucks! Then she kept on saying how dumb Americans are, and
> > how their company won't stay profitable if they pay their workers so much
> > (and she's right if u seen Ford's 2nd quarter earnings-or was it GM's?)
> >
> > btw i heard in Stats class that 80% of children born today will be
> > working in industrys that is unheard of today. Maybe their is hope :)
> >
> > On 10/4/06, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Because those guys were educated 20-30 years ago or longer?
> > >
> > > On 10/4/06, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > Why is the US getting all the science
> > > > Nobel Prizes this week then?
> > > >
> > > > But yes, it is cheaper to manufacture
> > > > things in China, of the same quality,
> > > > when education essentially plays no
> > > > role - like most assembly line jobs in the
> > > > past in the US. There is was possible
> > > > to make $50K a year while having a
> > > > third grade education or less.
> > > >
> > > > But of course that is not working any
> > > > more. The US was essentially a closed
> > > > society after WWII, and unions could
> > > > force US citizens to buy crap. Basically
> > > > labor monopolies, they despised
> > > > competition, and could make it stick.
> > > >
> > > > No true any more. When someone in
> > > > China can do the same job for 50-cents
> > > > an hour that someone in the US gets
> > > > $25 and more an hour for, plus lavish
> > > > benefits on top of that, it's pretty clear
> > > > that something has to give.
> > > >
> > > > Tariffs? Close the borders? Force us
> > > > to buy junk again?
> > > >
> > > > Not clear that education has much to
> > > > do with it. Competition does though.
> > > >
> > > > -Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/4/06, brad < BRAD0002 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > > > I agree. America's public schools must stink,look at the idiots
> > > > > running the country, but why bother educating the young? Most
> > > > > work can be done cheaper and better in China or India, especially
> > > > > technical work. Everyone knows America's computer geeks are
> > > > > definitely second tier, definitely overpaid.
> > > > > Ask DeVos, he knows. If you want something made right...make it
> > > > > in China.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Original Message ---
> > > > > From: "Benjamin Flanders" < flanderb at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: rlauzon at acm.org, grlug at grlug.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Linux @ school.
> > > > >
> > > > > >The reason schools pay money for Windows is because they don't
> > > know
> > > > > >any better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On 9/27/06, Ron Lauzon < rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Let me chime in on this, since this is a sore point for me
> > > > > (both my dad and
> > > > > >> one of my brother's are teachers).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Having had bad teachers, and having seen what the schools did
> > > > > to my
> > > > > >> brothers, I can see Collin's point. I think that we pay
> > > > > teachers way too
> > > > > >> much *for what we get from them*.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think the issue here is value. I don't mind paying a good
> > > > > teacher plenty
> > > > > >> of money, but I do mind paying a bad teacher alot of money.
> > > > > But current
> > > > > >> public school rules say that teacher have to be paid not on
> > > > > how good a job
> > > > > >> they do, but on their senority. No wonder why charter schools
> > > > > tend to do
> > > > > >> better.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Now back to Linux...
> > > > > >> One of the issues with computer technology in schools is
> > > > > money. Why are
> > > > > >> schools PAYING for Windows when Linux is free? Why are
> > > > > schools PAYING for
> > > > > >> MS Office when OpenOffice is free?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> These are the type of questions that parents need to bring up
> > > > > to the
> > > > > >> schools when the schools say "we don't have the money for
> > > > > xxxxx." Part of
> > > > > >> the problem with the schools is that they do not spend their
> > > > > funds wisely.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 9/27/06, Benjamin Eavey < ben at eavey.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > Or how about we don't pay teachers way more than they are
> > > > > worth and
> > > > > >> > > don't cater to their incessant demands? We waste far more
> > > > > money on
> > > > > >> > > teachers and their above average benefits than we ever
> > > > > could on buying
> > > > > >> > > computers and other supplies. Don't forget that the true
> > > > > cost of an
> > > > > >> > > employee is usually double their salary. For a teacher
> > > > > making 50,000
> > > > > >> > > that's upwards of 100,000 after payroll taxes and
> > > > > benefits. Now you tell
> > > > > >> > > me which is a better way to save money: Not buying $3,000
> > > > > computers or
> > > > > >> > > knocking holier-than-thou teachers off their bully
> > > > > pulpits? Maybe we can
> > > > > >> > > use the money we save to buy better supplies and hire more
> > > > > teachers?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I don't want to go too far into this debate, so I'll just
> > > > > give my
> > > > > >> > opinion and leave it at that:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > You say $50,000/year is way too much for a teacher's salary.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I have 2 kids in elementary school.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Your opinion scares me.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I don't want someone who makes $25,000/year, for instance,
> > > > > teaching my
> > > > > >> > kids. Period. What kind of people will you end up with if
> > > > > you don't
> > > > > >> > pay a decent salary? You'll end up with people who couldn't
> > > > > get a
> > > > > >> > better job doing something else. That's frightening.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > My children will (unfortunately) spend more time with their
> > > > > teacher
> > > > > >> > during the week than with me. I want that person to be
> > > > > someone who has
> > > > > >> > a good education, who is well-qualified, and who makes a
> > > > > good salary. I
> > > > > >> > want the position of "teacher" to be desirable and
> > > > > satisfying for
> > > > > >> > intelligent, well-educated people who can be good role
> > > > > models for kids.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Basically, I don't want someone in a comparable economic
> > > > > position to the
> > > > > >> > assistant manager at Wendy's educating my children.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thanks for reading.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > We can go back to talking about Linux now... :)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > -Ben
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> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
> > > > > >> Homepage: http://7lauzon.home.comcast.net/
> > > > > >> Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a
> > > built-in
> > > > > >> audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to
> > > some
> > > > > >> sort of job." - Ann Coulter
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001
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