<br><br><p><DEFANGED_div><DEFANGED_span class="gmail_quote">On 10/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Justin Denick</b> <<a href="mailto:justin.denick@gmail.com">justin.denick@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</DEFANGED_span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" DEFANGED_style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
WTF!!!!!!!!<br>I consider myself a computer geek, but if it weren't for FOSS I wouldn't have a keyboard to type on. Overpaid my a$$ Maybe at ameritech.<br>All you have to do is vote. That is our right and our solution. Get enough people to the poles and no amount of money can stop you. Trust me the British had a helluva lot more money that 'ol G-money Washington, but what did GW do? He rallied and ranted and people follwed him. And he didn't even have a campaign team. This does has nothing to do with Linux, I'm just underpaid and pi$$ed about it.
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<p><DEFANGED_div><DEFANGED_span class="e" id="q_10e1841ff955f475_1"><p><DEFANGED_div><DEFANGED_span class="gmail_quote">On 10/4/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jorge La</b> <<a href="mailto:weeneedhelp@gmail.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
weeneedhelp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</DEFANGED_span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" DEFANGED_style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Was anyone listening to NPR about 3 months ago? Because their was a report about how the US's economy is going to fall in about 30 years. They said that wealth lasts 3 generations, and the US gained today's wealth from WWII, and that wealth's rolling down to the third generation right now.
<br><br>It also pointed out how American's can't balance a checkbook, while the Chiniese save 50% of what they make for future investments. The report showed how HUNGRY China is for economic growth. They interviewed a automotive line-worker in Shanghai how much she thinks her counterpart in Detroit is getting paid. She guessed that the person in Detroit got paid about double her salar, 12 bucks an hour. Then, she was shock to find out they get paid 24 bucks! Then she kept on saying how dumb Americans are, and how their company won't stay profitable if they pay their workers so much (and she's right if u seen Ford's 2nd quarter earnings-or was it GM's?)
<br><br>btw i heard in Stats class that 80% of children born today will be working in industrys that is unheard of today. Maybe their is hope :)<p><DEFANGED_div><DEFANGED_span><br><br><p>On 10/4/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">
Michael Mol</b> <<a href="mailto:mikemol@gmail.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mikemol@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote class="gmail_quote" DEFANGED_style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Because those guys were educated 20-30 years ago or longer?<br><br>On 10/4/06, Bob Kline <<a href="mailto:bob.kline@gmail.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">bob.kline@gmail.com
</a>> wrote:<br>> Why is the US getting all the science<br>> Nobel Prizes this week then?
<br>><br>> But yes, it is cheaper to manufacture<br>> things in China, of the same quality,<br>> when education essentially plays no<br>> role - like most assembly line jobs in the<br>> past in the US. There is was possible
<br>> to make $50K a year while having a<br>> third grade education or less.<br>><br>> But of course that is not working any<br>> more. The US was essentially a closed<br>> society after WWII, and unions could
<br>> force US citizens to buy crap. Basically<br>> labor monopolies, they despised<br>> competition, and could make it stick.<br>><br>> No true any more. When someone in<br>> China can do the same job for 50-cents
<br>> an hour that someone in the US gets<br>> $25 and more an hour for, plus lavish<br>> benefits on top of that, it's pretty clear<br>> that something has to give.<br>><br>> Tariffs? Close the borders? Force us
<br>> to buy junk again?<br>><br>> Not clear that education has much to<br>> do with it. Competition does though.<br>><br>> -Bob<br>><br>><br>> On 10/4/06, brad <<a href="mailto:BRAD0002@ameritech.net" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
BRAD0002@ameritech.net</a>> wrote:<br>> > I agree. America's public schools must stink,look at the idiots<br>> > running the country, but why bother educating the young? Most<br>> > work can be done cheaper and better in China or India, especially
<br>> > technical work. Everyone knows America's computer geeks are<br>> > definitely second tier, definitely overpaid.<br>> > Ask DeVos, he knows. If you want something made right...make it<br>> > in China.
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --- Original Message ---<br>> > From: "Benjamin Flanders" <<a href="mailto:flanderb@gmail.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
flanderb@gmail.com</a>><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:rlauzon@acm.org" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
rlauzon@acm.org</a>, <a href="mailto:grlug@grlug.org" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">grlug@grlug.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Linux @ school.<br>> ><br>> > >The reason schools pay money for Windows is because they don't know
<br>> > >any better.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >On 9/27/06, Ron Lauzon <<a href="mailto:rlauzon@gmail.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
rlauzon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > >> Let me chime in on this, since this is a sore point for me
<br>> > (both my dad and<br>> > >> one of my brother's are teachers).<br>> > >><br>> > >> Having had bad teachers, and having seen what the schools did<br>> > to my<br>> > >> brothers, I can see Collin's point. I think that we pay
<br>> > teachers way too<br>> > >> much *for what we get from them*.<br>> > >><br>> > >> I think the issue here is value. I don't mind paying a good<br>> > teacher plenty<br>
> > >> of money, but I do mind paying a bad teacher alot of money.<br>> > But current<br>> > >> public school rules say that teacher have to be paid not on<br>> > how good a job<br>> > >> they do, but on their senority. No wonder why charter schools
<br>> > tend to do<br>> > >> better.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Now back to Linux...<br>> > >> One of the issues with computer technology in schools is<br>> > money. Why are
<br>> > >> schools PAYING for Windows when Linux is free? Why are<br>> > schools PAYING for<br>> > >> MS Office when OpenOffice is free?<br>> > >><br>> > >> These are the type of questions that parents need to bring up
<br>> > to the<br>> > >> schools when the schools say "we don't have the money for<br>> > xxxxx." Part of<br>> > >> the problem with the schools is that they do not spend their
<br>> > funds wisely.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> On 9/27/06, Benjamin Eavey <<a href="mailto:ben@eavey.com" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
ben@eavey.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> > >> > > Or how about we don't pay teachers way more than they are<br>> > worth and<br>> > >> > > don't cater to their incessant demands? We waste far more<br>> > money on
<br>> > >> > > teachers and their above average benefits than we ever<br>> > could on buying<br>> > >> > > computers and other supplies. Don't forget that the true<br>> > cost of an
<br>> > >> > > employee is usually double their salary. For a teacher<br>> > making 50,000<br>> > >> > > that's upwards of 100,000 after payroll taxes and<br>> > benefits. Now you tell
<br>> > >> > > me which is a better way to save money: Not buying $3,000<br>> > computers or<br>> > >> > > knocking holier-than-thou teachers off their bully<br>> > pulpits? Maybe we can
<br>> > >> > > use the money we save to buy better supplies and hire more<br>> > teachers?<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > I don't want to go too far into this debate, so I'll just
<br>> > give my<br>> > >> > opinion and leave it at that:<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > You say $50,000/year is way too much for a teacher's salary.<br>> > >> >
<br>
> > >> > I have 2 kids in elementary school.<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > Your opinion scares me.<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > I don't want someone who makes $25,000/year, for instance,
<br>> > teaching my<br>> > >> > kids. Period. What kind of people will you end up with if<br>> > you don't<br>> > >> > pay a decent salary? You'll end up with people who couldn't
<br>> > get a<br>> > >> > better job doing something else. That's frightening.<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > My children will (unfortunately) spend more time with their<br>> > teacher
<br>> > >> > during the week than with me. I want that person to be<br>> > someone who has<br>> > >> > a good education, who is well-qualified, and who makes a<br>> > good salary. I
<br>> > >> > want the position of "teacher" to be desirable and<br>> > satisfying for<br>> > >> > intelligent, well-educated people who can be good role<br>> > models for kids.
<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > Basically, I don't want someone in a comparable economic<br>> > position to the<br>> > >> > assistant manager at Wendy's educating my children.<br>
> > >> ><br>> > >> > Thanks for reading.<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > We can go back to talking about Linux now... :)<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > -Ben
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> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> --<br>> > >> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org<br>> > >> Homepage: <a href="http://7lauzon.home.comcast.net/" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://7lauzon.home.comcast.net/
</a><br>> > >> Weblog: <a href="http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" DEFANGED_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/</a><br>> > >><br>> > >> DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in<br>> > >> audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some<br>> > >> sort of job." - Ann Coulter
<br>> > >><br>> > >> Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001<br>> > >> Running Mandrake Linux 10.1<br>> > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > >> grlug mailing list
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