[GRLUG] Distro's - GRLUG test comment, dead thread

Fri May 12 14:11:13 EDT 2006

I always appreciate it when people take the time to explain something
that would be considered elementary. For example, I was making some
perl scripts for my Matrix Orbital LCD Display, and I had never
touched Perl before. I do have some programming background, so it
wasn't completely alien to me. I used Google, and the people who asked
other similar questions that had actually gotten a real answer, and
that helped a lot. The people who got the "Use Google" answer didn't
really help, considering the fact that I used Google to get there (The
Google answer is one of my annoyances). Just remember, people always
appreciate a real answer, even if they dont express it out loud. I'm
still really new to Linux, and I definatly appreciate the people who
have helped me out with what I now consider elementary stuff.

Mike

On 5/12/06, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>  This topic comes up every so often.  Somebody
>   is clearly just trying to solve a homework problem.
>   Someone is way out of their depth.  Etc.  But the
>   tips and suggestions that one mostly gets in this
>   chat group have a lot of leverage.  One insight or
>   pointer can unlock a lot for others who have really
>   given a problem a good try before laying it on
>   others.  It really can mean the difference between
>   giving up and moving along with a project.
>
>   Unlike the workplace,  where slackers are often
>   consummate politicians,  and can make life
>   miserable for those that won't carry them,  the chat
>   group is voluntary.  One can ignore things deemed
>   lame.  I suggest this is a better strategy than
>   making people gun shy about asking.  One doesn't
>   see anything here that isn't seen on netnews groups
>   in terms of posturing and irritation.  The solution
>   there when people can't behave is to have a
>   moderator.  That's a big burden for someone,  and
>   clearly akin to censorship.
>
>
>   I'd really rather see people just delete what they
>   don't like and move on.  I've gotten a lot of useful
>   tips and help from the group,  even on matters not
>   strictly Linux  - hardware sources,  what to avoid,
>   etc.   Call that gratitude.  But if anyone feels put
>   upon,  answers are voluntary.  In this group anyway.
>
>
>     -Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/12/06, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not to worry Brad - there are those of us who, though knowing only
> > little, are glad to spew what little knowledge we have even if a
> > little hand-holding is required (virtually of course - germophobic
> > here).  As an aside, Ron's tude is generally pleasant.  :-)
> >
> > G-
> >
> >
> > On 5/12/06, brad <brad0002 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > I have not really been following this thread, but I would like to
> > > interject....I wish I had more time to read GRLUG messages, because I
> truly
> > > love doing so. I am one of those people who read whatever they can on
> the
> > > web regarding Linux but only understand a tenth of what is read. No
> matter
> > > how difficult it is for me to understand many aspects of the operating
> > > system, I still push myself to do so.....BUT....I always hit a great big
> > > wall. Some things I simply can not understand without human guidance, a
> book
> > > or a webpage will not do.  Face to face guidance is best, or maybe a
> class,
> > > but like most adults I have little time for taking classes. I have posed
> > > questions on GRLUG that must make people like Ron pull out their hair. I
> am
> > > definitely one of the people who Ron refers to in his snippet....for
> this I
> > > am sorry! I wish I knew how to scale that big wall that seperates me
> from
> > > the rest of you, but I suppose that is impossible without long hours of
> hard
> > > work and devotion.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Adam bultman" <adamb at glaven.org>
> > > To: <grlug at grlug.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Distro's - GRLUG test comment, dead thread
> > >
> > >
> > > >I haven't been able to address this email until now. (Well, I started
> > > > one earlier, but Thunderbird ate it.)  Please read.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Lauzon wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > >>
> > > >> I too often see people who post "I want to write a program do <insert
> > > >> some very complicated thing here>.  How do I do that?" and follow up
> > > >> with responses like "What's a compiler?" and "What's an editor?"
> > > >>
> > > >> I give them credit for trying, but they are in so far over their
> heads
> > > >> that it would take quite some time to explain everything to them -
> and
> > > >> the ones that I typically have seen, get very defensive when you try
> to
> > > >> explain that to them.
> > > >> Well, we graduated from the School of Hard Knocks, and then someone,
> > > >>
> > > >> usually without appreciation, wants you to just give them the answer.
> > > >> Have too many people do that to you and see how elitist and snobbish
> you
> > > >> get - especially when they take credit for your work and think that
> they
> > > >> are knowledgeable because of it.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Goodness gracious, Ron, please tell me you aren't like this in person,
> > > > that you're just being argumentative.  I hope you realize that if the
> > > > rest of the Open Source people were like you, Open Source wouldn't
> > > > exist.  For that matter, simple chivalry wouldn't exist.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes, you need to do things For The Common Good instead of
> Looking
> > > > Out For Number One.  Sometimes, you need to give someone the answer so
> > > > they can move forward and learn. You know, how teachers helped you
> when
> > > > you were younger, and how other computer people helped you when you
> were
> > > > learning, either via MAN pages, HOWTOs, or say, computer books.
> > > >
> > > > I really hope you don't attempt to talk to others about linux, or open
> > > > source software, because you'd be doing way more damage than good.
> > > > Actually, I hope you don't interact with people often at all because
> > > > seriously, your attitudes are corrosive.
> > > >
> > > > Adam "What the hell haveyou done for me lately, and more importantly,
> > > > why should I give a damn" Bultman
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