[GRLUG] Distro's - GRLUG test comment, dead thread
bob.kline at gmail.com
Fri May 12 13:01:45 EDT 2006
This topic comes up every so often. Somebody
is clearly just trying to solve a homework problem.
Someone is way out of their depth. Etc. But the
tips and suggestions that one mostly gets in this
chat group have a lot of leverage. One insight or
pointer can unlock a lot for others who have really
given a problem a good try before laying it on
others. It really can mean the difference between
giving up and moving along with a project.
Unlike the workplace, where slackers are often
consummate politicians, and can make life
miserable for those that won't carry them, the chat
group is voluntary. One can ignore things deemed
lame. I suggest this is a better strategy than
making people gun shy about asking. One doesn't
see anything here that isn't seen on netnews groups
in terms of posturing and irritation. The solution
there when people can't behave is to have a
moderator. That's a big burden for someone, and
clearly akin to censorship.
I'd really rather see people just delete what they
don't like and move on. I've gotten a lot of useful
tips and help from the group, even on matters not
strictly Linux - hardware sources, what to avoid,
etc. Call that gratitude. But if anyone feels put
upon, answers are voluntary. In this group anyway.
On 5/12/06, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not to worry Brad - there are those of us who, though knowing only
> little, are glad to spew what little knowledge we have even if a
> little hand-holding is required (virtually of course - germophobic
> here). As an aside, Ron's tude is generally pleasant. :-)
> On 5/12/06, brad <brad0002 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> > I have not really been following this thread, but I would like to
> > interject....I wish I had more time to read GRLUG messages, because I
> > love doing so. I am one of those people who read whatever they can on
> > web regarding Linux but only understand a tenth of what is read. No
> > how difficult it is for me to understand many aspects of the operating
> > system, I still push myself to do so.....BUT....I always hit a great big
> > wall. Some things I simply can not understand without human guidance, a
> > or a webpage will not do. Face to face guidance is best, or maybe a
> > but like most adults I have little time for taking classes. I have posed
> > questions on GRLUG that must make people like Ron pull out their hair. I
> > definitely one of the people who Ron refers to in his snippet....for
> this I
> > am sorry! I wish I knew how to scale that big wall that seperates me
> > the rest of you, but I suppose that is impossible without long hours of
> > work and devotion.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam bultman" <adamb at glaven.org>
> > To: <grlug at grlug.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Distro's - GRLUG test comment, dead thread
> > >I haven't been able to address this email until now. (Well, I started
> > > one earlier, but Thunderbird ate it.) Please read.
> > >
> > > Ron Lauzon wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > >>
> > >> I too often see people who post "I want to write a program do <insert
> > >> some very complicated thing here>. How do I do that?" and follow up
> > >> with responses like "What's a compiler?" and "What's an editor?"
> > >>
> > >> I give them credit for trying, but they are in so far over their
> > >> that it would take quite some time to explain everything to them -
> > >> the ones that I typically have seen, get very defensive when you try
> > >> explain that to them.
> > >> Well, we graduated from the School of Hard Knocks, and then someone,
> > >>
> > >> usually without appreciation, wants you to just give them the answer.
> > >> Have too many people do that to you and see how elitist and snobbish
> > >> get - especially when they take credit for your work and think that
> > >> are knowledgeable because of it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Goodness gracious, Ron, please tell me you aren't like this in person,
> > > that you're just being argumentative. I hope you realize that if the
> > > rest of the Open Source people were like you, Open Source wouldn't
> > > exist. For that matter, simple chivalry wouldn't exist.
> > >
> > > Sometimes, you need to do things For The Common Good instead of
> > > Out For Number One. Sometimes, you need to give someone the answer so
> > > they can move forward and learn. You know, how teachers helped you
> > > you were younger, and how other computer people helped you when you
> > > learning, either via MAN pages, HOWTOs, or say, computer books.
> > >
> > > I really hope you don't attempt to talk to others about linux, or open
> > > source software, because you'd be doing way more damage than good.
> > > Actually, I hope you don't interact with people often at all because
> > > seriously, your attitudes are corrosive.
> > >
> > > Adam "What the hell have you done for me lately, and more importantly,
> > > why should I give a damn" Bultman
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