[GRLUG] Itunes and France

[proclus at gnu-darwin.org]

As you will see from my FOSS and activism post, I am definitely saying
that there are arenas where proprietary solutions should be done away
with now.  Obviously the point is not to take away your freedom to use
them, but rather that there is a better way.

Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/


On  2 Jul, david at pembrook.net wrote:
> We can all see that the current laws need some serious work and I agree in
> principal with a lot of whats has been said but I don't agree everything
> must be in the public domain.
> 
> Open source is about choice and freedom is it not? I have many choices
> right now (thankfully in a large part to open source). One of my choices
> is to buy into a propritary system if I choose to. Once I do, I know what
> the deal is. If MS or Apple want to change things, so be it... those are
> the rules in the proprietary world. You play there , you play with those
> rules.
> 
> A lot of here use products every day from both camps. Some by choice, some
> because their companies tell them too. Someone made that choice either way
> and they have to live with that.
> 
> If you don't like the kid down the streets rules, don't play with his toys.
> 
> Thats all I'm saying... I don't want my freedom to choose or create a
> proprietary work taken from me.
> 
> That said, I don't like monopolies, I like open standards, I'm all for
> sharing code and information.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> David Pembrook wrote:
>>> But are you saying that a company does not have a right to make
>>> something and own it? I love open source and thats a choice for me and
>>> many others. But if I make something the world wants, do they have a
>>> right to it by demanding it from me? Are intelectual rights obsolete?
>>>
>>
>> According to our patent and copyright laws: No.
>>
>> That may seem bad, but those laws reflect HOW new works are created -
>> namely new works aren't "created".  When an author writes a story, a
>> musician writes music, a programmer developers software, they all dip
>> into the public domain.  They all use prior art to build their works
>> on.  They are less "creators" and more "builders".  They take what's
>> already been done and rearrange it, use it differently and make
>> something different.
>>
>> We add to the mix the fact that monopolies have been proven to be bad
>> things.
>>
>> So the patent and copyright laws were created to balance the bad (i.e. a
>> limited monopoly for a limited time) with the good (i.e. getting access
>> to new works and making money for their builders).
>>
>> The concept of "Intellectual Property" never existed until recently.
>> This concept lets the co-called "creators" treat their ideas as property
>> - with all the rights included with that.  Like ownership after death.
>> Like being able to pass the ownership of that idea on to your heirs.
>> This is inherently wrong with anything intellectual.  Ideas are not
>> physical and ownership of them causes long term problems (like nearly
>> all the issues we are having with patent trolls and copyright hogs).
>>
>> And I'll remind you what the government did with Standard Oil and AT&T.
>>
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