[GRLUG] Is ITT Tech a Good School?

mooselikebriard moosebriard at gmail.com
Tue Feb 22 10:59:13 EST 2011 

I'm glad you spoke out.  I could not agree with you more.  In fact, I took
an internship which is the basis of my ability to school full time.
Still seems weird for as old as I am to be an intern, but like I said
previously I have never exactly lived by normal societal routines.  Many I
talk to wish they had either the guts or the ability to change their path so
completely.  My work environment turned out a little different than
originally anticipated however and changed the outcome of my learning
experience.  Some ways better, but worse in the technical area.  This has
become the basis of my search to focus specifically on technical skills
rather than the "fluff" I am finding with regular academia.  To those who
have posted today I am indebted for your insights.  The beginnings of
surrounding myself with smart people :)

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Ben DeMott wrote:
>
>  In the words of one of our programmers that went to ITT
>>
>> "I went to school, spent 42,000 dollars, and learned almost nothing.  Now
>> I'm out of school, and get paid to learn actual skills"
>>
>
> I quit reading this thread a while ago because I used to work in higher ed,
> and I got tired of talking about it a long time ago.  But I decided I have
> something to say.  It has nothing to do with any specific school, so I'm not
> really answering the original question at all, just rambling.
>
> In my opinion college should be reserved for learning things you can't
> learn elsewhere.  You want to be a doctor?  Go to college.  Lawyer?  Go.
>
> Otherwise, learn it elsewhere.  Personally I don't learn well alone, from
> books etc.  I learn MUCH better from people.  I still recommend getting it
> elsewhere.
>
> If you can code a little, get an internship at a coding shop, and have them
> show you the ropes.
>
> If you're decent with networking but want to be awesome, find a networking
> guy or shop and find out what it would take for them to teach you.  Maybe
> you pay them, maybe you work for free, maybe they like brownies.
>
> Tech groups have really exploded in Grand Rapids recently.  GRLUG is a good
> resource, and is becoming an even better one.  GRWebDev started at a sprint,
> we'll see if it stays big.  The drupal group, the wordpress group (that I
> still need to start) etc.  Go to those, make friends, there are very smart
> people that go.
>
> In my opinion knowing smart people is a big key to success.
>
> Topher
>
>
>
>> I would absolutely recommend GRCC over ITT, and if you want to further
>> your
>> education at FERRIS you can.
>> A school is all about it's professors.  If you there are truly independent
>> and original professors that know how to teach - and have ACTUAL real
>> world
>> experience in their field - it doesn't matter what school you go to you
>> will
>> learn more than you ever could from individuals that are only teaching a
>> course so their college can offer it to students.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM, mooselikebriard <moosebriard at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>      Davenport is close for me.  I live near Kalamazoo and that
>>      campus is close to where I work which of course only matters if
>>      the particular program is taught there.  I am looking into that
>>      matter currently.  I surprise myself that I never considered
>>      Davenport previously.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>      Dagny's right.
>>
>>      (And not just because she's my fiancee; if you want the
>>      paper, 3-in-1
>>      can be a good way to go. I don't recommend Ferris for the
>>      -in-1,
>>      though. I tried that, and then discovered their class
>>      scheduling for
>>      my degree program was very inflexible)
>>
>>      On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Dagny Scott
>>      <parsleyfirefly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>      > One thing I might add: GRCC's Associate's in Network
>>      Administration has a
>>      > LOT of the same classes as Davenport's Info Security
>>      degree. I believe they
>>      > also have a 3+1 deal where you spend 3 years at GRCC and
>>      one at Davenport.
>>      > This would by far be your cheapest option, and GRCC has
>>      some very good
>>      > instructors, many of whom currently work in the fields
>>      they're teaching.
>>      >
>>      > Dagny
>>      > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Michael Mol
>>      <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>      >>
>>      >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Steve Romanow
>>      <slestak989 at gmail.com>
>>      >> wrote:
>>      >> > 44k is quite expensive.
>>      >> >
>>      >> > For that kind of money, I personally would not
>>      consider it.   I would do
>>      >> > GRCC or Davenport first.  A lot depends on your
>>      resources of course, but
>>      >> > dont gamble future earnings with a buttload of
>>      student loans.
>>      >>
>>      >> I spent five years at GRCC taking anything and
>>      everything they had
>>      >> that was interesting. I worked as a tutor in their
>>      computer apps
>>      >> department the whole time. They have perhaps five
>>      courses in their
>>      >> computer apps department which would be relevant.
>>      >>
>>      >> If you wind up in their CO232 course, you're almost
>>      guaranteed to rub
>>      >> elbows with interesting folks; most of the people I
>>      remember running
>>      >> into there were into Linux out of personal interest.
>>      >>
>>      >> However, I'd strongly recommend cert programs over even
>>      those five
>>      >> courses.
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