[GRLUG] NOT LINUX - FCC to vote on net neutrality later today.
Bob Kline
bob.kline at gmail.com
Tue Dec 21 16:33:00 EST 2010
Have you found any other town, city,
or area that has done this. I vaguely
remember one in WV. An all or nothing
situation for the folks in the area.
Alas, that 10 years ago or more. It was
slow - maybe 100 Kbps or so - but it
worked.
I think ham radio operators have set up
things like this. e.g.,
http://www.winlink.org/
and ham-net:
http://www.eham.net/newham/irlp
If you put keywords "ham radio internet access"
in to google you'll get plenty of hits.
My sense of it is that it's more than
a weekend project, but there are lots
of people to consult and systems in
operation.
-- Bob
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was the one bringing up the idea. I presented it in front of the LUG
> at Casey's place around then. I recall one person being interested in
> getting together to discuss it, but we never wound up making a
> connection. I've been reading up a *lot* on IPv6 and network management
> in general, and it might still be doable. I wouldn't be ready to leap on
> it soon, though; I smell a lot more knowledge about networking tools
> that I need to read through before I can really figure it out.
>
> One of the key problems, though, is setting up one or two large towers.
> Mesh networking is useful, awesome and excellent, but there need to be a
> couple supernodes that represent a fast(er) travel route to another part
> of the network. A supernode like that Needs to have visibility to a
> large geographical area, which means (as a WAP) that it has needs to
> have the characteristics of a cell phone tower.
>
> A couple friends of mine have been trying to figure out how to set up a
> simple three-node relay on the south-west side of town, but the physical
> geography of the region gets in the way. (And there's an airport just
> west of Wilson Ave. that limits the height of any towers placed in
> convenient places on that hill.)
>
> On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 16:06 -0500, Bob Kline wrote:
> > There was actually talk about this
> > within the group - maybe a year ago.
> > Something like using radio relay.
> >
> >
> > It might come to that.
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUSFiber
> >
> >
> > Done by the city of Lafayette, LA, it is
> > perhaps the best Internet system on the
> > planet. Fiber to the home, full duplex
> > 50 Mbps service for $58 a month.
> >
> >
> > Yes, Verizon and AT&T sued to block
> > its construction. But it was built, and
> > can service as model to any properly
> > managed city.
> >
> >
> > Now lets see what Comcast does to us.
> > Especially if it acquires NBC.
> >
> >
> > -- Bob
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Clay Ashby <kingpoiuy at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > We could start our own internet! :p
> >
> > --Sent from my android.
> >
> > >
> > > On Dec 21, 2010 2:13 PM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > The FCC has spoken. On behalf of
> > > monopoly provider interests that is:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9201918/FCC_approves_compromise_Net_neutrality_rules?taxonomyId=70
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > IDG News Service - The U.S. Federal Communications
> > > Commission (FCC), in a historic vote Tuesday, approved
> > > network neutrality rules prohibiting broadband providers
> > > from blocking customer access to legal Web content, but many
> > > consumer groups decried the new regulations as weak and full
> > > of loopholes.
> > >
> > > The new rules provide fewer protections for mobile broadband
> > > subscribers and may lead to a fractured Internet, critics
> > > said. The new rules, a compromise championed by FCC Chairman
> > > Julius Genachowski, would bar wireline-based broadband
> > > providers -- but not mobile broadband providers -- from
> > > "unreasonable discrimination" against Web traffic, prompting
> > > some consumer groups to call the rules "fake" net
> > > neutrality.
> > >
> > > Genachowski's plan, approved after more than seven years of
> > > debate about whether net neutrality rules are needed, also
> > > contains several loopholes for broadband providers, critics
> > > said, including an exception for managed services separate
> > > from the public Internet.
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Standard hack politics. Clearly monopoly
> > > corporate entities run the Internet now,
> > > and I suspect the rubes will be
> > > squeezed ever harder. Loopholes.
> > > Exceptions.
> > >
> > >
> > > The day mostly official marks the end of
> > > one Internet. Everyone will now
> > > have to choose which Internet they
> > > want to be on, and have to figure
> > > out just what the monopoly players
> > > are likely to let through. Comcast must
> > > be licking its chops about now, as leader
> > > of the forces tinkering with content and
> > > uses. All hopefully without anyone noticing.
> > > Going forward, it appears it will have a largely
> > > free hand, not even try to hide its actions,
> > > and simply say it's all legal, and of course fair.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:04 PM, John-Thomas Richards
> > > <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 21...
> > >
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