[GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4

peyeps at iserv.net peyeps at iserv.net
Fri Mar 20 08:28:07 EDT 2009 

Thank You,

   To be honest, I am not a member on any other list servers, and so am
not accustomed to the possible lulls in activity.  I just wanted to
make sure I was not missing out on anything.

            Greg



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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:14:19 -0400
> From: Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Dropped from mailing list.
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> I see you! There just hasn't been much discussion on here lately.
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> Of course, that is easy to fix.
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> Top post FTW!
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> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM,  <peyeps at iserv.net> wrote:
>> I've not received any emails lately. ? Did I get dropped from the
>> mailing
>> list?
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ?Thank You,
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Greg
>>
>>
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>>> ? ?1. Re: VirtualBox question (John-Thomas Richards)
>>> ? ?2. Re: VirtualBox question (Adam M. Erickson)
>>> ? ?3. Re: VirtualBox question (John-Thomas Richards)
>>> ? ?4. Re: VirtualBox question (John-Thomas Richards)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:51:40 -0500
>>> From: John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VirtualBox question
>>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>>> Message-ID: <20090305175119.GA4121 at jrichards.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:05:37AM -0500, Bill Littlejohn wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:14 AM, John-Thomas Richards
>>>> <jtr at jrichards.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 02:43:11PM -0500, Bill Littlejohn wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> > > Sure - just copy the partition to a different drive.
>>>> > > There are a couple of ways I can think of.
>>>> > > What I would do requires an external USB hard drive of equivalent
>>>> (or
>>>> > > larger) capacity to your laptop hard drive.
>>>> > > Boot from a live-cd, then dd your laptop drive to the USB drive.
>>>> This
>>>> > will
>>>> > > overwrite anything on the USB drive with the copy.
>>>> > > Setup your VM and connect the USB drive to it. You should be able
>>>> to
>>>> boot
>>>> > > the restore partition from there.
>>>> > > I assume the drivers would be somewhat borked since it's likely
>>>> preloaded
>>>> > > with your laptop hardware drivers. You'll want to install the
>>>> virtual
>>>> > > hardware drivers as soon as possible to straighten things out.
>>>> > > Bill
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is what I have done so far. ?I created a 30GB virtual disk
>>>> (should
>>>> > be more than enough for what I need; once this is up and running I
>>>> can
>>>> > delete another sizable virtual disk that I will no longer need, thus
>>>> > freeing up more disk space). ?I then booted into that virtual
>>>> machine
>>>> > with a Knoppix iso and created two partitions; one 10GB partition to
>>>> > hold the restore files and one 20GB partition to hold the operating
>>>> > system and applications. ?I was able to format both partitions with
>>>> > NTFS. ?I downloaded a Vista Recovery Disk iso that boots to install
>>>> from
>>>> > the restore partition. ?It works up to the point it looks for the
>>>> > recovery files on the recovery partition. ?The problem is it cannot
>>>> find
>>>> > the files on the restore partition since they are not there yet.
>>>> ?For
>>>> > the life of me I cannot figure out this shared folders thing with a
>>>> > Linux host and a Linux guest (since I need to copy the files first).
>>>> > The VirtualBox user manual is not very helpful on this point.
>>>> > --
>>>> > john-thomas
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used the shared folders feature, but certainly you would
>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>> install the V.B. tools into the running livecd environment for it to
>>>> work. I
>>>> used an external USB drive instead.
>>>> You can't access your system /dev/sda1 partition directly from the VM,
>>>> because your running your system off that disk - thus the need to make
>>>> a
>>>> copy of the partition.
>>>> Assuming you have an external drive with enough free space attached as
>>>> /dev/sdb, you could do
>>>> "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1/restore.img"
>>>> If you wanted to write the image to your home folder and then get
>>>> folder
>>>> sharing working, then you could do
>>>> "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/home/me/restore.img"
>>>> After you have the image file, and can access it from the VM, then
>>>> just
>>>> do
>>>> the reverse _in the VM_ to write it to the virtual disk partition.
>>>> i.e.
>>>> "dd
>>>> if=/dev/sdb1/restore.img of=/dev/sda1"
>>>> Be sure you understand where dd is reading and writing before
>>>> executing
>>>> the
>>>> commands - it can hose your system quickly if you reverse the
>>>> commands.
>>>> "man
>>>> dd"
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> VirtualBox OSE does not appear to have USB support. ?I am running the
>>> latest in Debian Squeeze (2.1.4_OSE). ?I have the restore partition on
>>> a
>>> USB drive, ready to copy to the virtual drive, but I cannot access
>>> them.
>>> I am trying to figure out shared folders. ?Once I have the files copied
>>> to the virtual drive, I am sure I won't have a problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help!
>>> --
>>> john-thomas
>>> ------
>>> There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express
>>> it.
>>> Marcus Tullius Cicero, "Ad familiares"
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:46:20 -0500
>>> From: "Adam M. Erickson" <adam at openfad.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VirtualBox question
>>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>>> Message-ID:
>>> ? ? ? <7cd69fdf0903060846k58c0f64fv6ec78eb75d11b3d3 at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>>
>>>> VirtualBox OSE does not appear to have USB support. ?I am running the
>>>> latest in Debian Squeeze (2.1.4_OSE). ?I have the restore partition on
>>>> a
>>>> USB drive, ready to copy to the virtual drive, but I cannot access
>>>> them.
>>>> I am trying to figure out shared folders. ?Once I have the files
>>>> copied
>>>> to the virtual drive, I am sure I won't have a problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The newest release seems to be the easiest to control USB
>>> connectivity. You have to choose in advance what can be accessed by
>>> the virtual system. If you do not select all or individual usb drives,
>>> by name, they will not pick them up by the virtual system.
>>>
>>> Make sure you installed the additional tools shared folders and will
>>> not work with out it.
>>>
>>> I like this new release you do not have to escape the mouse to use it
>>> on the host system any more.
>>>
>>> - Adam M. Erickson
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:07:55 -0500
>>> From: John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VirtualBox question
>>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>>> Message-ID: <20090306170755.GA6268 at jrichards.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:51:40PM -0500, John-Thomas Richards wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:05:37AM -0500, Bill Littlejohn wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> > I haven't used the shared folders feature, but certainly you would
>>>> have to
>>>> > install the V.B. tools into the running livecd environment for it to
>>>> work. I
>>>> > used an external USB drive instead.
>>>> > You can't access your system /dev/sda1 partition directly from the
>>>> VM,
>>>> > because your running your system off that disk - thus the need to
>>>> make
>>>> a
>>>> > copy of the partition.
>>>> > Assuming you have an external drive with enough free space attached
>>>> as
>>>> > /dev/sdb, you could do
>>>> > "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1/restore.img"
>>>> > If you wanted to write the image to your home folder and then get
>>>> folder
>>>> > sharing working, then you could do
>>>> > "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/home/me/restore.img"
>>>> > After you have the image file, and can access it from the VM, then
>>>> just do
>>>> > the reverse _in the VM_ to write it to the virtual disk partition.
>>>> i.e. "dd
>>>> > if=/dev/sdb1/restore.img of=/dev/sda1"
>>>> > Be sure you understand where dd is reading and writing before
>>>> executing the
>>>> > commands - it can hose your system quickly if you reverse the
>>>> commands. "man
>>>> > dd"
>>>> > Bill
>>>>
>>>> VirtualBox OSE does not appear to have USB support. ?I am running the
>>>> latest in Debian Squeeze (2.1.4_OSE). ?I have the restore partition on
>>>> a
>>>> USB drive, ready to copy to the virtual drive, but I cannot access
>>>> them.
>>>> I am trying to figure out shared folders. ?Once I have the files
>>>> copied
>>>> to the virtual drive, I am sure I won't have a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help!
>>>> --
>>>> john-thomas
>>>
>>> I was able to get the shared folders working. ?I had to actually
>>> install
>>> an operating system into one partition since I needed to load an .iso
>>> with the necessary files (a LiveCD is a mounted CD; you get one or the
>>> other). ?I was able to copy the files to the new recovery partition
>>> (within the VM). ?I added the partition to GRUB and was able to boot
>>> the
>>> recovery installation. ?I believe I am now at a complete standstill as
>>> the installer is unable to find my disk so the install fails. ?Bleh.
>>>
>>> It was a good idea, I suppose. ?Bill, thanks for all your work in
>>> trying
>>> to figure this out.
>>> --
>>> john-thomas
>>> ------
>>> I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues,
>>> and
>>> public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve
>>> our
>>> independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
>>> Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826)
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:10:43 -0500
>>> From: John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VirtualBox question
>>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>>> Message-ID: <20090306171043.GB6268 at jrichards.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 11:46:20AM -0500, Adam M. Erickson wrote:
>>>> > VirtualBox OSE does not appear to have USB support. ?I am running
>>>> the
>>>> > latest in Debian Squeeze (2.1.4_OSE). ?I have the restore partition
>>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> > USB drive, ready to copy to the virtual drive, but I cannot access
>>>> them.
>>>> > I am trying to figure out shared folders. ?Once I have the files
>>>> copied
>>>> > to the virtual drive, I am sure I won't have a problem.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> The newest release seems to be the easiest to control USB
>>>> connectivity. You have to choose in advance what can be accessed by
>>>> the virtual system. If you do not select all or individual usb drives,
>>>> by name, they will not pick them up by the virtual system.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure you installed the additional tools shared folders and will
>>>> not work with out it.
>>>>
>>>> I like this new release you do not have to escape the mouse to use it
>>>> on the host system any more.
>>>>
>>>> - Adam M. Erickson
>>>
>>> The version in Debian is the latest release (2.1.4). ?It is the Open
>>> Source Edition that has trouble with USB drives. ?I could download the
>>> non-OSE version, but I run Debian for a reason. ?;-)
>>> --
>>> john-thomas
>>> ------
>>> The Lord prefers common-looking people. That is the reason He makes so
>>> many of them.
>>> Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the U.S. (1809-1865)
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:05:18 -0400
> From: John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Dropped from mailing list.
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> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:14:19AM -0400, Ben Rousch wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM,  <peyeps at iserv.net> wrote:
>> > I've not received any emails lately. ? Did I get dropped from the
>> mailing
>> > list?
>> >
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ?Thank You,
>> >
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Greg
>> I see you! There just hasn't been much discussion on here lately.
>>
>> Of course, that is easy to fix.
>>
>> Top post FTW!
>
> Phew.  For a minute there I thought you were going to diss Debian, vim,
> or Enlightenment.  Whew.
>
> Wait.   You *top*-posted!?
>
> In all seriousness, this list has extraordinary lulls in posting
> activity.  We see a flurry of activity and then a prolonged period with
> no posts.  It's weird.  I've been on a number of lists over the years.
> Some are sporadic and some are constant, but I've never seen one so up
> and down as GRLUG has been lately.
> --
> john-thomas
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> He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains
> a fool forever.
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