[GRLUG] Social norms

[Justin Popa]

Seriously this is the third time my mailbox has to be plagued by e-peen
'This is how you internets' conversations from this list and seriously it's
just annoying as hell right now. Thanks for the help with everything, but
I'm sick of it.

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM, john-thomas richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:09:23AM -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
> > What is the social norm.  Isn't that where the normal is commonly
> > agreed upon?  Is placing responses interspersed throughout the e-mail
> > commonly agreed upon?
>
> Wow.  How about breaking this "norm..."  You responded to a message in
> the middle of a thread, broke the thread (so my mail reader no longer
> knows this post is part of an existing thread), and changed the subject
> header even though the subject - while evolving - did not really
> change.  *That* makes an extended conversation difficult.
>
> Placing responses throughout an email facilitates conversation.  When
> speaking face to face you do not tell another five different, perhaps
> unrelated things and receive one response for all five topics, do you?
> You say something, I respond.  You say something else about something
> else, I respond.  The closer written communication follows *natural
> conversation* the better.  When I and others insist on following the
> established rules of online communication we are really insisting that
> written conversations resemble spoken conversations while those who
> oppose those rules want to communicate in a manner that is not
> intuitive or natural.  Bottom-posting and in-line posting mimics spoken
> communication and is far more efficient than one large, combined
> response to multiple issues at the top.
>
> > Personally I don't like having to scroll through the whole e-mail to
> > look for responses.  Sometimes, the response is hidden by the ">" of
> > the previous empty line.  I prefer top posting.  No scrolling, the
> > responses all right there.
>
> There is no scrolling *IF* you remember what the post is in response to.
> I seriously doubt you never scroll when reading a top-posted response,
> unless your memory is far better than mine.
>
> Some do not include a line break between the quoted text and the
> response.  This is annoying.
>
> > Since this group is divided on this topic, could we consider one way
> > or the other a "social norm"?  I don't think so.  I think we need to
> > just overlook the differing styles of responses and discuss what those
> > responses are about.
>
> Thirty years of USENET determined that bottom-posting better
> facilitates communication.  Since this community is essentially an
> online community (the recent monthly meetings notwithstanding) it makes
> sense to follow the established rules of communication.
>
> [snip]
> --
> john-thomas
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