[GRLUG] What is Linux ?

[Michael Mol]

You should stop by comp.os.linux.advocacy sometime.

I agree, one should ask developers for Linux versions of software.  It
would be nice, for example, if Supreme Commander were available for
Linux.  Or tax software.  I can't think of much else, though...A few
years ago, my attitude became, "If it's not available for Linux, I
probably don't need it."


On 3/23/07, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can see this happening a lot in less
> technical areas  - protests,  heated
> discussions about global warming (...),
> and various social issues,  where it's
> viewed better to be noisy,  even if you're
>  not particularly saying anything,  than
> to be silent.
>
> But I'd still think that at least letting
> package developers know that you'd
> rather have Linux version,  and will
> at least try to find a version that is in
> Linux,  and that if all issues of performance
> are about the same,  you'd buy the Linux
> package,  will get some people's attention.
> Costs little to do this,  and strengthens
> Linux as a mainstream OS.  As we
> know on this chat group,  a big part of
> using an OS is not just the OS itself
> ( and we're still trying to figure out just
> what OS means ),  but the packages
> that make it more broadly useful.
>
>     -Bob
>
>
>
>
> On 3/23/07, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I hate advocacy groups.  In my experience, they're typically not
> > avenues for meaningful discussion, but stomping grounds for people who
> > shoot from the hip while blindly following their dogma.  Disingenuous
> > arguments, logic flaws, libel and slander, trolling...It gets tiring.
> >
> > On 3/23/07, Chris Lamrock <clamrock at nmtdie.com> wrote:
> > > I'd like to see the LUGS move towards advocacy.  Most notably with
> software
> > > and hardware vendors.  Let's face it - if we get  software and hardware
> > > vendors to support Linux we all win.
> > >
> > > The "LUG Consortium Towards the Advocacy of Linux Supported Hardware and
> > > Software Vendors" sounds like a good name. ;-)
> > >
> > > LUG users unite!
> > >
> > > my 2 cents
> > >
> > > -Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Al Tobey" <tobert at gmail.com>
> > > To: < grlug at grlug.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] What is Linux ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 3/23/07, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >> Just an out of the way discussion item:
> > > >> what is Linux?
> > > >>
> > > >> We are a LUG,  which in a funny way
> > > >> means that as long as you use Linux,
> > > >> you are free to discuss anything under
> > > >> the sun.
> > > >>
> > > >> But of course few here will see it that
> > > >> way.  What the GRLUG mostly discusses
> > > >> are Linux applications,  and less so the
> > > >> Linux OS itself.  And Linux applications
> > > >> are often as not Linux versions of a
> > > >> package,  and except for shared experience
> > > >>  have little to do with Linux as an OS.
> > > >>
> > > >> So,  what part of a typical Linux distribution
> > > >> would people call the Linux OS?   Here too,
> > > >> it's not the endless little editors and the myriad
> > > >> of GNU tools.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just for fun,  what does "Linux" mean
> > > >> to people here?  An analog to the question
> > > >> is "what is the Internet?"  Many people
> > > >> would probably confuse that with their
> > > >> browser.
> > > >
> > > > Good idea for discussion, Bob.  I've been thinking for a while that
> > > > maybe a group that's focused more broadly on open source would be
> > > > neat.   In many other areas, the LUGs tend to be more "Open Source
> > > > User Group" than strictly just Linux.
> > > >
> > > > I think expanding the group's scope would be a great way to do more
> > > > outreach, since many people don't really care about operating systems
> > > > and are actually interested in the applications like MySQL, Apache,
> > > > and even higher-level stuff like Django, Asterisk, and SugarCRM.
> > > >
> > > > To me, Linux is the most universal open source operating system.
> > > > All of the open source apps I like to use work best on Linux, so
> > > > that's what I use.    I've toyed with *BSD and Solaris, but just
> > > > didn't see anything there that made it worth it to me to port myself
> > > > and my apps to another flavor of Unix.
> > > >
> > > > -Al Tobey
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>       -Bob
> > > >>
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