[GRLUG] linux meetup

Tue Jul 4 21:51:52 EDT 2006

Bob,

flat HTML pages are rare on the Internet in the
business/enterprise/technical area.  The main reason is that flat HTML
pages have a tendency to be out of date, design specific,
non-collaborative.  Any data system managing a website (be it CMS, wiki,
portal etc) has the following desirable features:

1. multiple users have access to content and keep the site up to date
and relevant.
2. design is separated from side data therefore you don't have to be a
designer to edit content
3. access is given away based on logical content, not physical
directories or files.  access is over http, not ftp or other file
access.
4. design is functional and adheres to basic accessability guidelines
(since may people use a CMS the design eventually becomes generic but
functional with options for customization)

The fundamental features of a CMS versus flat HTML files is possibility
of an individual contribution.  Just like in open source many
contribute, CMS systems allow community development into an informative
web site.

Szymon Machajewski

Solutions Engineer / DBA
Red Hat Certified Engineer
Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
www.grcc.edu/smachaje 

>>> bob.kline at gmail.com 7/4/2006 3:56:35 pm >>>
Long gone?   I do my own web sites in HTML, and
see no particular reason to change.

I wonder what I'm missing?  I do try to keep the
content/fluff ratio high.  Meaning that content
trumps glitz.  Maybe that's it?  I need a flashier
web site.  Then maybe I can worry less about
what's in it.

Anyway,  what makes you say "long gone?"

   -Bob

On 7/4/06, Szymon Machajewski <smachaje at grcc.edu> wrote:
> I would suggest that we go easy on a custom design.
>
> The key is how to keep the web site up to date.  With Wiki we can
> distribute the load of updating.
>
> Maybe someone can get into making the look of our mediawiki more
> custom, but I think the days of html files for websites is long
gone.
> Why create a site which sooner or later will become a bottle-neck
> again.
>
>
>
> Szymon Machajewski
>
> Solutions Engineer / DBA
> Red Hat Certified Engineer
> Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> www.grcc.edu/smachaje 
>
>
> >>> mikemol at gmail.com 7/4/2006 3:42:52 am >>>
> I've got some time...I put together the current incarnation of
> grc4.org, which will be replaced once my guy finishes the final
> layout.  I'm no HTML and CSS expert, but I can read W3C specs.
> However, my overal design skills are, shall we say, underdeveloped.
>
> So...what needs to be there? Some thoughts:
> * Who are we? (Someone else should probably write that blurb)
> * Meeting info
> * Announcements
>
> Here's a rough mock-up of what it might look like:
> http://theforge.us/sc/grlugsite.png 
>
> (Sheesh...for how long that took, I might have been better off doing
> it in HTML in the first place.)
>
> On 7/4/06, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sure we can make the wiki page the home page for now.  I'm
somewhat
> > partial to home-brewed looking sites (nice ones with css) as
opposed
> > to cookie-cutter ones, but my web design time is being taken up at
> the
> > moment.  :-)
> >
> > If/when a good web designer surfaces, maybe we can maintain both.
> >
> > G-
> >
> >
> > On 7/2/06, Szymon Machajewski <smachaje at grcc.edu> wrote:
> > > Godwin,
> > >
> > > You've made a call for a web developer in the past.  Why don't
we
> take
> > > the wiki as the home page for now.  This would defuse the need
for
> one
> > > developer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Szymon Machajewski
> > >
> > > Solutions Engineer / DBA
> > > Red Hat Certified Engineer
> > > Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> > > www.grcc.edu/smachaje 
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> mikemol at gmail.com 7/2/2006 1:05:28 am >>>
> > > One more thing.  When I first noticed GRLUG a year or two ago, I
> > > thought it was dead.  The website hadn't been updated in ages.
> Even
> > > now, there's not much to look at, and the only active content is
> > > passively active; there's nothing about a wiki that makes one
want
> to
> > > check back for updates.
> > >
> > > Simply choosing some colors and linking to a .CSS file would
help,
> but
> > > the old announcements should probably be removed.
> > >
> > > Are there any web developer natives around here?
> > >
> > > On 7/2/06, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Looking at the list, there seem to be a large number of casual
> > > users,
> > > > as opposed to Linux-using professionals.
> > > >
> > > > Not that I can get a complete feel for GRLUG after attending
one
> > > > meeting, but the casual side of Linux did seem lacking.  (But
> maybe
> > > an
> > > > after-one-meeting impression is needed.)  Clustering
filesystems
> are
> > > > useful from an administrators standpoint, and fascinating to
me.
> > > >
> > > > However, the average home-user of Linux is going to be more
> > > interested
> > > > in what games are available, or how to get 3D acceleration for
> their
> > > > ATI or NVidia card, or where to find a Linux distro that takes
> > > > advantage of x86-64.
> > > >
> > > > I expect that within a year or two, people are going to be
> asking
> > > how
> > > > to use Linux for everyday home tasks. (How do I run TurboTax
on
> this
> > > > Linux system my grandson set up?  How do I write my English
paper
> on
> > > > this computer I got for cheap?  How do I PRINT?!)
> > > >
> > > > If people are interested, I'd be happy to demo the proprietary
> and
> > > OSS
> > > > ATI drivers, and the proprietary NVidia driver.  I could show
> off
> > > many
> > > > of the games that were developed for Linux, or ported to
Linux.
> > > >
> > > > But that's really not the kind of thing that struck me as a
> focus
> > > > point for GRLUG, after attending one meeting.  And if that's
what
> it
> > > > looks like to someone who sat through it and asked questions,
> what's
> > > > it going to look like to someone whose interests are entirely
> > > > consumer-oriented?
> > > >
> > > > On 7/1/06, Szymon Machajewski <smachaje at grcc.edu> wrote:
> > > > > I don't see this as a new club.  This is not about a 'club'
> but
> > > > > networking people of the particular interest.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think having people on both lists makes sens.  A new
person
> > > looking
> > > > > for Linux contacts may find meetup.com before they stumble
on
> > > grlug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also we had rather humble turnout at the meetings so putting
> more
> > > > > advertising of GRLUG meetings online in various places may
be
> > > > > beneficial.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Szymon Machajewski
> > > > >
> > > > > Solutions Engineer / DBA
> > > > > Red Hat Certified Engineer
> > > > > Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
> > > > > www.grcc.edu/smachaje 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> bob.kline at gmail.com 7/1/2006 10:36:49 pm >>>
> > > > > This is a group of people that don't find GRLUG what
> > > > > they want?  Or don't know about GRLUG?   I see at
> > > > > least one person that has appeared in the GRLUG
> > > > > messages.
> > > > >
> > > > > I looked at the site,  but still am not too sure what
> > > > > the point is.  Are they looking for a new club to form?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     -Bob
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/1/06, brad <brad0002 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > > > > For anyone interested in this group.
> > > > > > http://linux.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/grand_rapids/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad
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