I'd be interested. I used to use 2.49 and would love to have someone run through the current one.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:grlug-request@grlug.org" target="_blank">grlug-request@grlug.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (L. V. Lammert)<br>
2. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (John-Thomas Richards)<br>
3. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (Josh)<br>
4. Blender demo (<a href="mailto:detrix42@gmail.com">detrix42@gmail.com</a>)<br>
5. Re: Blender demo (Casey DuBois)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:35:53 -0600 (CST)<br>
From: "L. V. Lammert" <<a href="mailto:lvl@omnitec.net">lvl@omnitec.net</a>><br>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."<br>
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Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl<br>
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, John-Thomas Richards wrote:<br>
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> > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years<br>
> > ago.<br>
><br>
> Troll. ;)<br>
><br>
Maybe, ..<br>
<br>
> I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j<br>
> k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in<br>
> vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps.<br>
><br>
So, .. you want to fiddle with ALL applications just to match ONE so<br>
arcane that it doesn't support keys on a modern keyboard that has, in<br>
itself, been standard for 20 years? And you call ME a Troll <g>??<br>
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Lee<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:45:59 -0500<br>
From: John-Thomas Richards <<a href="mailto:jtr@jrichards.org">jtr@jrichards.org</a>><br>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."<br>
<<a href="mailto:grlug@grlug.org">grlug@grlug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl<br>
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On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 08:35:53AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, John-Thomas Richards wrote:<br>
><br>
> > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years<br>
> > > ago.<br>
> ><br>
> > Troll. ;)<br>
> ><br>
> Maybe, ..<br>
><br>
> > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j<br>
> > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in<br>
> > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps.<br>
> ><br>
> So, .. you want to fiddle with ALL applications just to match ONE so<br>
> arcane that it doesn't support keys on a modern keyboard that has, in<br>
> itself, been standard for 20 years? And you call ME a Troll <g>??<br>
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Yup. And it _does_ support keys on a modern keyboard; my Logitech<br>
keyboard is less than a year old and it has hjkl, all right in a row,<br>
just as one would expect. (And yes, I know the origins of those letters<br>
as navigation keys.)<br>
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Arcane? Bah. Everything is intuitive once you know it. I haven't thought<br>
about how to move around in vim in a long time. That's why I find myself<br>
in LibreOffice Calc hitting h, j, k, or l and then hitting ESC when I<br>
realize I'm in "insert mode," only to realize further that I'm not in<br>
vim.<br>
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john-thomas<br>
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listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of<br>
which have the potential to turn a life around.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 06:52:53 -0800<br>
From: Josh <<a href="mailto:leapole@gmail.com">leapole@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."<br>
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Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl<br>
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You should get a Mac and learn emacs. Most emac commands work in most Mac applications like kill and yank.<br>
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Hopefully we get a third person with another idea and we can be a trio of trolls<br>
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 6:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards <<a href="mailto:jtr@jrichards.org">jtr@jrichards.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:<br>
>>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep<br>
>>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice.<br>
>>><br>
>>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys<br>
>>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down"<br>
>>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't<br>
>>> want to do.<br>
>>><br>
>>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird?<br>
>>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment)<br>
>>><br>
>> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard -<br>
>> vi/vim is quite happy with <home><end><pgup><pgdn><up><left><right><dn><br>
>> <g>! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, ..<br>
>><br>
>> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years<br>
>> ago.<br>
><br>
> Troll. ;)<br>
><br>
> I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j<br>
> k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in<br>
> vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps.<br>
> --<br>
> john-thomas<br>
> ------<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:24:32 -0500<br>
From: "<a href="mailto:detrix42@gmail.com">detrix42@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:detrix42@gmail.com">detrix42@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo<br>
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Hi, I was going to do a Blender demo a few weeks back, but was unable to<br>
make it (and the following week). If anyone is still interested in seeing<br>
a blender demo, I will bring my computer, unless some one is willing to let<br>
me user their laptop, but I need a keyboard with a Number Pad.<br>
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Let me know if you would like me to do this.<br>
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Jeret<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:26:59 -0500<br>
From: Casey DuBois <<a href="mailto:casey@grlug.org">casey@grlug.org</a>><br>
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Hey Jeret,<br>
I can have a computer and screen for you to use for a demo if you want.<br>
Casey<br>
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM, <a href="mailto:detrix42@gmail.com">detrix42@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:detrix42@gmail.com">detrix42@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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> Hi, I was going to do a Blender demo a few weeks back, but was unable to<br>
> make it (and the following week). If anyone is still interested in seeing<br>
> a blender demo, I will bring my computer, unless some one is willing to let<br>
> me user their laptop, but I need a keyboard with a Number Pad.<br>
><br>
> Let me know if you would like me to do this.<br>
><br>
> Jeret<br>
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