I'm assuming here that this is close <div>enough to Linux yet to avoid the wrath</div><div>of the GRLUG content police, and will add</div><div>that there are plenty of uses for copies </div><div>that don't require digital quality. e.g.,</div>
<div>the tens of thousands of B&W movies</div><div>from the 1930s and 1940s. One can</div><div>enjoy them just fine with good analog</div><div>quality. A true NTSC picture is still pretty</div><div>good quality. Various rippers provide adequate</div>
<div>sound and video. As someone mentioned,</div><div>the content providers presumably have to</div><div>let us see the content at some point, and</div><div>that is at least where it goes in to a TV.</div><div>I'm saying that there are shades of gray</div>
<div>here. Content providers will imprison, sue,</div><div>hang, etc., anyone who comes up with a</div><div>way to copy DVDs', having lost the CD</div><div>battle. But much of the movie material</div><div>on DVDs was never very high technical quality</div>
<div>in the first place, but can still be enjoyed for</div><div>the quality of the movie material.</div><div><br></div><div>And for that matter, a high quality analog</div><div>copy of a more current movie, if legal, is</div>
<div>still adequate for many people's TV's.</div><div><br></div><div>True digital quality is a goal, but the </div><div>content troops are on guard for that. In</div><div>many cases, the next best is not so bad really.</div>
<div>In addition to quality, digital movies seem</div><div>to have as much to do with protecting </div><div>content providers. A silly or stupid movie</div><div>in Blu Ray is still just a silly or stupid movie</div><div>
in high quality.</div><div><br></div><div>Re Netflix, does all the same apply</div><div>to Amazon's movie offering and Linux?</div><div>At $75 a year, and also free two day </div><div>shipping for a year, it's tempting. Mind</div>
<div>you between 2009 and 2011, Amazon</div><div>has gone from a $25B company to a </div><div>projected $50B company. It will be big</div><div>in movie distribution.</div><div><br></div><div>An aside, I notice that in the two weeks</div>
<div>or so since the flap about a net neutrality</div><div>posting, and concerns about whether</div><div>"NOT LINUX," or "OFF TOPIC" were aired,</div><div>there have been all of one or two such </div>
<div>messages that even the most ardent Linux</div><div>person would have needed to delete for </div><div>being a waste of their time.</div><div><br></div><div>All again showing that few things matter</div><div>as much as things that really don't matter</div>
<div>at all. Live and let live? Nah....</div><div><br></div><div> -- Bob</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, megadave <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:megadave@gmail.com">megadave@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Good point, but that's always been t 'copyright h9olders' can accept<br>
that people can distribute lower quality "analog" copies, but they<br>
have nightmares thinking of people being able to rip 100% accurate<br>
digital.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:08, Mike Williams <<a href="mailto:knightperson@zuzax.com">knightperson@zuzax.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Once the content is on a computer screen, there are plenty of ways to<br>
> capture it regardless of video driver or operating system. If nothing else,<br>
> you can point a video camera at the screen, and no drm shenanigans can stop<br>
> that. I think the increased risk of content theft under Linux is perception<br>
> rather than reality, but that doesn't change the situation much.<br>
><br>
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> <<a href="mailto:grlug@grlug.org">grlug@grlug.org</a>><br>
> Subject: [GRLUG] Netflix on Linux?<br>
> Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 2:23 am<br>
><br>
><br>
> But the kernel is still non-proprietary. The 'closed source' app would<br>
> still have to use the kernel to display the video, and this would<br>
> leave a wide open way to hijack the streams and save them in perfect<br>
> digital form.<br>
><br>
> Now, if we can con them into not realizing that is possible, great.<br>
> But I suspect they have tech advisors that are all too aware.<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 02:19, Mike Williams <<a href="mailto:knightperson@zuzax.com">knightperson@zuzax.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> It's my understanding that this is exactly the issue. Still, it shouldn't<br>
>> be<br>
>> insurmountable. The solution would be closed-source, of course, but it<br>
>> could<br>
>> be done. Every so often I hear rumors that it's "almost ready", but I'll<br>
>> believe it when I see it.<br>
>><br>
>> On 10/21/2011 04:11 PM, megadave wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> FWIW, I didnt even look at Netflix until I had acquired a Wii for my<br>
>>> son and noticed there was a Wii Netflix app.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I suspect the various studios and copyright holders will NEVER let go<br>
>>> of the DRM that keeps Netflix from supporting anything<br>
>>> non-proprietary.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 14:32, David Wise<<a href="mailto:davidn.wise@gmail.com">davidn.wise@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I suppose that I could try grabbing more RAM and running a persistent<br>
>>>> VM,<br>
>>>> but that really eliminates the use of having a Linux machine in the<br>
>>>> first<br>
>>>> place. It is just several more layers of complexity that I need to keep<br>
>>>> running when I could just use a Windows box and save myself some hassle.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Bummer.<br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Dave<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Topher<<a href="mailto:topher@codeventure.net">topher@codeventure.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Steve Romanow wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Is netflix worth all this?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Netflix has worked flawlessly in my XP/Virtualbox and now works<br>
>>>>> flawlessly<br>
>>>>> in my Win7/Virtualbox, even full screen seamless mode. Since I need<br>
>>>>> those<br>
>>>>> machines anyway for testing and photoshop, it's a freebie for me, with<br>
>>>>> no<br>
>>>>> extra effort at all.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> At that point it's certainly worth it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> topher<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:48 PM, David Wise<<a href="mailto:davidn.wise@gmail.com">davidn.wise@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I am kind of hoping to avoid running a VM to get it though. I'm<br>
>>>>>>> really<br>
>>>>>>> wanting to be able to let my wife just fire it up and watch something<br>
>>>>>>> while<br>
>>>>>>> she knits and chats (like she currently does in Windows). Do any of<br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> media players work at all (Boxee etc.)?<br>
>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>> Dave<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Rob Steenwyk<<a href="mailto:rsteenwyk@gmail.com">rsteenwyk@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Good idea, except the Android VM runs terribly slow on x86.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2011 12:44 PM, "Michael Mol"<<a href="mailto:mikemol@gmail.com">mikemol@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM, David Wise<<a href="mailto:davidn.wise@gmail.com">davidn.wise@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> That stinks. I've read something about ChromeOS having a plugin<br>
>>>>>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>>>>>> supports Netflix, I was wondering if it's possible to use that<br>
>>>>>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Chromium<br>
>>>>>>>>>> or not. Again, I suspect I know the answer, but am hoping someone<br>
>>>>>>>>>> will<br>
>>>>>>>>>> be<br>
>>>>>>>>>> able to prove me wrong.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Steve's reply just gave me an idea for a really hacky workaround<br>
>>>>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>>>>> might actually work.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Grab the Android SDK, run Android in a VM, install and use the<br>
>>>>>>>>> Netflix<br>
>>>>>>>>> Android app.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> When you run Android in a VM in the SDK, you're running bona-fide<br>
>>>>>>>>> Android. So, yeah, it might work. You might need to do some kind of<br>
>>>>>>>>> workaround for 'device compatibility', especially if you want to<br>
>>>>>>>>> fill<br>
>>>>>>>>> a 720p or 1080p display...<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
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