If you're getting interviews, you meet their requirements ... often they will have someone from inside in mind, even if they're required to do an interview process.<br><br>Most companies aren't going to start people off as system administrators; they'll start them in the help desk or another low-level position. Don't discount these if they're for a good company. <br>
<br>One reason Lansing has more openings than GR is that Liquid Web is there; they're a major hosting provider and often hiring Windows and Linux admins (if you know some of both that's a bonus too for starting jobs). If you want to get into the much-touted Grand Rapids "tech center" thing you'd better have a medical background.<br>
<br>Dagny<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Michael Mol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikemol@gmail.com">mikemol@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
"They went through a formal hiring process...and then hired the one<br>
they wanted from somewhere in the department" is a phrase I've heard<br>
more often than not.<br>
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Bob Kline <<a href="mailto:bob.kline@gmail.com">bob.kline@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> There are probably still legal reasons<br>
> why a job has to be advertised, even if<br>
> it's already been filled. To avoid all kinds<br>
> of allegations. Discrimination. Cronyism.<br>
> Etc. Not clear whether the public announcement<br>
> has to have the same requirements. e.g.,<br>
> "Can you solve Maxwell's equations for a PC?"<br>
> might not be on the private list of requirements.<br>
> -- Bob<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Philip J. Robar <<a href="mailto:philip.robar@gmail.com">philip.robar@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Rob Steenwyk wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > I am currently employed, but in the interest of keeping my options open<br>
>> > have been looking around for any open Sys Admin position in West Michigan.<br>
>> > Haven't had much luck. I've been looking on Craigslist, Dice.com and the<br>
>> > classifieds in the GR Press.<br>
>><br>
>> Most job seeking related articles I've read say that only about 10% of<br>
>> positions in any field are filled via the big sites like Monster, Dice, etc.<br>
>> In Silicon Valley, where I'm from, it's who you know (including lists and<br>
>> user groups like this one. There's been a hand full of announcements, you<br>
>> might want to check the archives.), Craig's List, jobs posted by companies<br>
>> themselves at their sites, job shops and maybe LinkedIn. (In that order, in<br>
>> rapidly diminishing order of value.)<br>
>><br>
>> My Dice experience from a couple of years ago was that I got lots of calls<br>
>> from junior head hunters paying their dues by ploughing through piles of<br>
>> resumes found by Resumix. Most of them couldn't spell C and though that UNIX<br>
>> was a type of unicorn. If you don't match what they're looking for exactly<br>
>> you were unlikely to hear back from them. But, on the other hand I did get a<br>
>> couple of interesting leads this way and a couple of calls from actually<br>
>> hiring firms.<br>
>><br>
>> At least in the Vally, Craig's List had lots of interesting real job<br>
>> openings.<br>
>><br>
>> Newspaper ads for exempt positions like engineering are pretty much there<br>
>> only to fulfill Federal H1B visa requirements, they're not actually looking<br>
>> for U.S. applicants.<br>
>><br>
>> My first real job in the Valley was a testing position at a start-up which<br>
>> I found on a bulletin-board at a junior college. (I'm self taught in<br>
>> computers and was willing to work relatively inexpensively.) When they had<br>
>> to lay me off a year later they made my job for my last few weeks to be<br>
>> getting a new job.* They got me three interviews which resulted in two<br>
>> offers, one from Intel and one from Sun. While at Sun I got an offer from<br>
>> Taligent (which I still regret not taking) from the manger who had hired me<br>
>> at Sun. After 11 years at Sun I took some time off (I thought I was well<br>
>> off, the 2001 tech bubble bursting informed me otherwise. ;-) My next job<br>
>> was at Postini (Pre Google buy out. :-( I was hired there by one of my best<br>
>> friends—whom I met at Sun. As I said, it's mostly who you know—and a little<br>
>> luck.<br>
>><br>
>> My brother, who lives in Columbus, has had some luck with job shops, but<br>
>> you're giving away a serious amount of money by going that route. He got his<br>
>> current job via a happenstance meeting with a stranger at a FedEx/Kinkos.<br>
>> (Who you know…)<br>
>><br>
>> Many of the big tech and development sites (Arstechnica, Dr. Dobbs, etc.)<br>
>> have job boards which seem to be listing real positions. As do many of the<br>
>> tech companies whose sites I visit—especially the smaller ones.<br>
>><br>
>> I was under the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that Grand Rapids was one<br>
>> of Michigan's tech centers, but given the reality of Michigan's economy and<br>
>> ongoing brain drain if you really want get into system administration you<br>
>> have to be willing to move—probably out of state—or be patient. Hiring is<br>
>> definitely on the rise in Silicon Valley and other parts of the country.<br>
>><br>
>> BTW, I take offense at your "only want to be a sys admin", as if system<br>
>> administration can't be high level engineering. System administration jobs<br>
>> run the gamut from extremely junior operations position like replacing hard<br>
>> drives in a server farm to running that server farm. Two of the smartest<br>
>> people ever at Sun where, take away the fancy titles, system administrators.<br>
>> One of them runs Netflix's engineering department now. Perhaps you meant,<br>
>> "I'm looking for an entry level or junior sys admin position." ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> Phil<br>
>><br>
>> *Yes, there are at least a few people in Silicon Valley with the level of<br>
>> integrity that says that even when you don't know if the company that you<br>
>> founded is going to be alive in the foreseeable future that you still have<br>
>> an obligation to make sure that your junior engineers in their first job<br>
>> with only a year of experience make a successful transition to a new job.<br>
>> (There's that luck thing again. :-)<br>
>><br>
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