Capacitors are very good at storage, any electron based storage medium doesn't necessarily suffer from storage shortcomings.<br>
They suffer from Loss of Energy in the transfer process (charging).<br>
Coal to Electricity, to Stored Electricity in a Capacitor has a
potential energy loss somewhere around 70%, that's quite a pill to
swallow for renewable energy ... <br>
(and on top of that add transmission loss over an electrical infrastructure, even more painful)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Rick Vargo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rick@vargo.org">rick@vargo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I guess I shouldn't have assumed that you would already have the<br>
property... The $1 a gallon is for planting, growing, fertilizing,<br>
etc... They also suggest that you can contract with a farmer for<br>
product. This is not as cheap of a method but is still equivalent to the<br>
cost of gas...<br>
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Rick<br>
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<br>
Collin Kidder wrote:<br>
> I'll have to check out the site on using alcohol as gas... But if you<br>
> get 1700 gallons per acre then you need to spend only $1700 on that acre<br>
> including planting, watering, picking, and fermenting if you want $1/g.<br>
> That sounds like a tall order for $1700. But, I'm no farmer.<br>
><br>
> Rick Vargo wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Corn is a terrible bio fuel you can only get about 700 gallons from an<br>
>> acre. Sugar cane is the best. Around here, the best thing to grow for a<br>
>> bio fuel is probably sugar beats. I think an acre will make about 1700<br>
>> gallons of alcohol.<br>
>><br>
>> Rick<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Michael Mol wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Collin Kidder <<a href="mailto:adderd@kkmfg.com">adderd@kkmfg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> An electric motor can be made darn near 100% efficient. As a bonus<br>
>>>> electrical lines are found almost everywhere. It's like a built in gas<br>
>>>> station in every building you see. So, I do believe that electric cars<br>
>>>> will end up being the way forward.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>> It remains to be seen how efficiently synthetic hydrocarbon fuels can<br>
>>> be made; If those can be made sufficiently efficient, powering cars<br>
>>> off the grid won't work.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Granted, corn doesn't appear to be getting us off to a good start.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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