<div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">> How many people in IT know what you know and can support what you can<br>
> support?<br><br>Lots.</blockquote><div><br>It has now in this moment occurred to me God is testing me, by placing me up until this point inside organizations composed of morons.... This can be the only explanation, your experiences are obviously fairly different than mine.<br>
<br>90% of the IT staff I interact with talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk ... and I think reasonable abstract and open thinking skills is a good prerequisite but man alive, I get so down on the human race some days. <br>
<br>You can end the day Adam by knowing you have restored one persons faith in human kind, thank you for intellectualism Adam ;)<br></div>
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<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">If your employer doesn't care you need to quit. If your customers (as a<br>
consultant) don't care you don't need those kinds of customers.<br></blockquote><br>Most of the reason I left my last employer - they didn't get it, 2 years of frustration.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com">adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 14:01 -0400, Ben DeMott wrote:<br>
> How long does it take to transfer the state of 39VM's ? (and yes I<br>
> understand this may be through ISCSI)<br>
<br>
</div>No idea, wasn't my box. Was just talking to some guys about ESX. In<br>
his case the disks were local which probably helped (hence the 3U box).<br>
That would be a pretty big hit to iSCSI (unless you've got 10GE already<br>
[one can dream]).<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> I remember having 6 VM's on a pretty beefy Proliant with bunches of<br>
> memory, and the IT manager kept moving my VM's off to older servers, 6<br>
> VM's in one place was just too much for his brian to handle I guess.<br>
<br>
:)<br>
<br>
> Thanks for your response Adam,<br>
> >> In Linux this is furthered by the fact we have LVM2 and Software<br>
> Raid<br>
> >> support in our Kernels.<br>
> >Every other current OS provides these as well.<br>
> Really ? What does Windows Server 2003 offer at the kernel level<br>
> similar to the capabilites of LVM2?<br>
<br>
</div>The Dynamic Volume support in Windows LDM is very much equivalent to LVM<br>
in UNIX. DVs can be migrated, extended, reduced, and span multiple<br>
physical volumes. By default LDM creates "Basic" volumes which do *not*<br>
have these features (much like setting up a LINUX distro with disk<br>
partitions instead of LVM).<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> My comment was more or less for smaller - medium shops who aren't<br>
> willing to make the real investment and see Virtualization as a<br>
> 'savior'.<br>
<br>
</div>Sure, but we used MD and LVM prior to virtualization. Virtualization<br>
makes the issues easier to deal with (more flexibility) but it doesn't<br>
fundamentally change any of the issues. The real problem with<br>
pre-virtualization storage [DASD] is that it is just never in the right<br>
place.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> How many people in IT know what you know and can support what you can<br>
> support?<br>
<br>
</div>Lots.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> I run into a lot of people, and I haven't meant very many that off the<br>
> shelf know much more about ESX other than what the manual told them.<br>
<br>
</div>Well, that would include me. I've had no ESX training. The manual is<br>
pretty good. :) And none of this is rocket-science. Any reasonably<br>
literate person with well developed abstract reasoning skills can figure<br>
this stuff out. Emphasis on the "abstract reasoning skills"; but in<br>
the 21st century people who can only think in the concrete are just<br>
epically screwed.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Small/Medium Shops make that initial leap, then don't have the<br>
> knowledge, expertise, or budget to retain, pay, or hire individuals<br>
> who can manage the complexity - the technology itself.<br>
<br>
</div>Ok, but that is the purpose of bankruptcy. Not all the salmon make it<br>
upstream. And the great majority of small businesses fail. Kudos to<br>
the consultant that managed to get the coin out of their doomed hands<br>
before they went under.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> And I did qualify my statement, "You need to backup your data on<br>
> another storage array if you are going to do this, preferably not<br>
> abstracted by a virtual file system, then the combination above is a<br>
> great solution."<br>
<br>
</div>Agree. I think that is the root of the quote:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">"There are two things that you need to know about storage. The first<br>
is that it keeps getting cheaper---unbelievably so. The second is that<br>
it keeps getting more expensive---unbelievably so."<br>
--- The Practice of System and Network Administration<br>
<br>
</div>Cheap storage is a siren song; cheap to get and then dangerous if not<br>
managed correctly, and the management of storage is far more expensive<br>
then the up-front cost. Many things in life work that way, hence the<br>
emphasis on thinking in terms of TCO and not "price".<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> >These questions are all part of creating a *legally required* data<br>
> >retention policy. Acting contrary to an organizations data retention<br>
> >policy opens the possibility of *criminal* prosecution. The fear of<br>
> >lawyers is very effective in making an organization get pro-active<br>
> >about such things.<br>
> ><<a href="http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/node/157" target="_blank">http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/node/157</a>><br>
> I couldn't agree more!<br>
> What a nice world you must live in, where companies are concerned with<br>
> legality and processes :)<br>
<br>
</div>If your employer doesn't care you need to quit. If your customers (as a<br>
consultant) don't care you don't need those kinds of customers.<br>
<br>
One thing to remember is that the BSA and some other organizations offer<br>
bounties for reporting piracy, etc... I'd wager if your employer doesn't<br>
care about data-retention, etc... that they have unlicensed software too<br>
- so you can walk out the door and collect a nice parachute. :)<br>
<br>
Fortunately the IT job market is pretty hot.<br>
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