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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I agree with Szymon. I have just joined the group, but have never been to a meeting. I have belonged to numerous other types of groups and have some suggestions.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>More people will come to our meetings if they are scheduled on a regular basis. Alternating meetings between mid-day and evening should fit almost everyone's schedule at least every other month. We should also try to hold the meetings at the same location most of the time. Finally we should keep our website up to date. Not only putting details on it regarding next months meeting, but also possibly include the date & time & topic of discussion on future meetings as well.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: grlug-bounces@grlug.org [<A HREF="mailto:grlug-bounces@grlug.org">mailto:grlug-bounces@grlug.org</A>] On Behalf Of Szymon Machajewski</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:31 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: grlug@grlug.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [GRLUG] linux meetup</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Bob,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>The meetings at GRCC were planned rather quickly and has beneficial agendas executed. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I think there is a difference between a personal computing meeting and a professional knowledge exchange get together. I would suggest the latter, as Linux in the enterprise is the goal for me.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I would like to suggest a standing schedule for the GRLUG meetings with volunteers picking through the requested topics of presentations. The meeting scheduler would be an alternating: mid day and evening. This would cover most schedules and attract vendors as well as professionals.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>If there should be support on the list for this solution I will provide a schedule and reserve initial space. The locations can be further alternated as requested.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Szymon Machajewski</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Solutions Engineer / DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Red Hat Certified Engineer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Microsoft Certified Solution Developer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>www.grcc.edu/smachaje </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>>> bob.kline@gmail.com 7/2/2006 1:56:21 am >>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Two years ago or so it was common to have install get togethers where 12 to 15 people would show up on a Saturday afternoon at ITT Tech and play with systems and swap software.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>You can see for yourself that today there is endless negotiation over meeting times, and even after all that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>few show up. We used to meet at a coffee place,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>"Noshville," on 44th now and then on a Saturday afternoon. That flamed out too.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>One simply concludes that the e-mail, chat group aspect of the GRLUG is enough for most people right now. We just have to be careful that all of the chatting is not about meeting that mostly don't happen.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2> -Bob</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On 7/2/06, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> One more thing. When I first noticed GRLUG a year or two ago, I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> thought it was dead. The website hadn't been updated in ages. Even </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> now, there's not much to look at, and the only active content is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> passively active; there's nothing about a wiki that makes one want</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> check back for updates.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Simply choosing some colors and linking to a .CSS file would help,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the old announcements should probably be removed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Are there any web developer natives around here?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On 7/2/06, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Looking at the list, there seem to be a large number of casual</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>users,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > as opposed to Linux-using professionals.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Not that I can get a complete feel for GRLUG after attending one </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > meeting, but the casual side of Linux did seem lacking. (But maybe</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > after-one-meeting impression is needed.) Clustering filesystems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > useful from an administrators standpoint, and fascinating to me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > However, the average home-user of Linux is going to be more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>interested</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > in what games are available, or how to get 3D acceleration for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ATI or NVidia card, or where to find a Linux distro that takes </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > advantage of x86-64.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I expect that within a year or two, people are going to be asking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>how</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > to use Linux for everyday home tasks. (How do I run TurboTax on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Linux system my grandson set up? How do I write my English paper</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > this computer I got for cheap? How do I PRINT?!)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > If people are interested, I'd be happy to demo the proprietary and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>OSS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ATI drivers, and the proprietary NVidia driver. I could show off</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of the games that were developed for Linux, or ported to Linux.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > But that's really not the kind of thing that struck me as a focus </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > point for GRLUG, after attending one meeting. And if that's what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > looks like to someone who sat through it and asked questions,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>what's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > it going to look like to someone whose interests are entirely </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > consumer-oriented?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > On 7/1/06, Szymon Machajewski <smachaje@grcc.edu> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I don't see this as a new club. This is not about a 'club' but </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > networking people of the particular interest.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I think having people on both lists makes sens. A new person</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>looking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > for Linux contacts may find meetup.com before they stumble on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>grlug.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Also we had rather humble turnout at the meetings so putting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > advertising of GRLUG meetings online in various places may be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > beneficial.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Szymon Machajewski</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Solutions Engineer / DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Red Hat Certified Engineer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Microsoft Certified Solution Developer www.grcc.edu/smachaje</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > >>> bob.kline@gmail.com 7/1/2006 10:36:49 pm >>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > This is a group of people that don't find GRLUG what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > they want? Or don't know about GRLUG? I see at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > least one person that has appeared in the GRLUG messages.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I looked at the site, but still am not too sure what the point </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > is. Are they looking for a new club to form?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > -Bob</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > On 7/1/06, brad <brad0002@ameritech.net> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > For anyone interested in this group.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > <A HREF="http://linux.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/grand_rapids/" TARGET="_blank">http://linux.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/grand_rapids/</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > Brad</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > _______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > grlug mailing list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > grlug@grlug.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > <A HREF="http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug" TARGET="_blank">http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > _______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > grlug mailing list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > grlug@grlug.org</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > _______________________________________________</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > grlug@grlug.org</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > --</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > :wq</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> :wq</FONT>
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