From topher at codeventure.net Sun Mar 1 20:30:21 2015 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 20:30:21 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop Message-ID: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> What are the chances everything in this will work in Linux? http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/1/8124345/hp-spectre-x360-laptop-windows-convertible From lvl at omnitec.net Sun Mar 1 21:00:25 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 20:00:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Topher wrote: > What are the chances everything in this will work in Linux? > > http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/1/8124345/hp-spectre-x360-laptop-windows-convertible > Looks like a toy to me, .. I can highly recommend the HP Envy - Intel or AMD, .. full HD screen, .. thin and light (no optical drive - who needs it), .. lighted keyboard, .. Got a quad core A-10 last year, love it! Only ONE very minor gripe - the right-click on the touchad is really touchy. Lee From topher at codeventure.net Sun Mar 1 21:03:28 2015 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:03:28 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <54F3C4F0.4000702@codeventure.net> On 3/1/15 9:00 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Topher wrote: > >> What are the chances everything in this will work in Linux? >> >> http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/1/8124345/hp-spectre-x360-laptop-windows-convertible >> > Looks like a toy to me, .. > > I can highly recommend the HP Envy - Intel or AMD, .. full HD screen, .. > thin and light (no optical drive - who needs it), .. lighted keyboard, .. > > Got a quad core A-10 last year, love it! Only ONE very minor gripe - the > right-click on the touchad is really touchy. What distro do you run on it? From lvl at omnitec.net Sun Mar 1 21:17:43 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 20:17:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: <54F3C4F0.4000702@codeventure.net> References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> <54F3C4F0.4000702@codeventure.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Topher wrote: > > Got a quad core A-10 last year, love it! Only ONE very minor gripe - the > > right-click on the touchad is really touchy. > > What distro do you run on it? > SuSE 13.2, Gnome. Lee From jtr at jrichards.org Sun Mar 1 21:20:11 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:20:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <20150302022011.GD2224@archibald> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 08:00:25PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Topher wrote: > > > What are the chances everything in this will work in Linux? > > > > http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/1/8124345/hp-spectre-x360-laptop-windows-convertible > > > Looks like a toy to me, .. > > I can highly recommend the HP Envy - Intel or AMD, .. full HD screen, .. > thin and light (no optical drive - who needs it), .. lighted keyboard, .. > > Got a quad core A-10 last year, love it! Only ONE very minor gripe - the > right-click on the touchad is really touchy. I'm not sure what is toy-like about it. It comes with either a Core i5 or i7, 4 or 8GB RAM, and an SSD. Performance should be very nice. My biggest concern would be the touch screen and whether it will work with Linux. -- john-thomas ----- What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say. Ralph Waldo Emerson, writer and philosopher (1803-1882) From lvl at omnitec.net Sun Mar 1 21:28:05 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 20:28:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: <20150302022011.GD2224@archibald> References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> <20150302022011.GD2224@archibald> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > I'm not sure what is toy-like about it. > Looks, .. of course. Smallish keyboard, monster touchpad, .. not built for serious work. The keyboard on my Envy is literally [side] edge-to-edge, and with backlight keys a joy to use even in a dark room. > My biggest concern would be the touch screen and whether it will work > with Linux. > Might have try a bootable USB image on one to tell for sure, .. Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Mon Mar 2 07:35:00 2015 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 07:35:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <1425299700.5281.8.camel@whitemice.org> On Sun, 2015-03-01 at 20:30 -0500, Topher wrote: > What are the chances everything in this will work in Linux? > http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/1/8124345/hp-spectre-x360-laptop-windows-convertible It would depend primarily on the GPU. I would guess that if it is an Intel GPU it will work just dandy, if it is an nVidia GPU I would avoid it [their current Optimus tech mash-up train-wreck]. The limit of only 8GB of RAM seems harsh. Personally I would skip this one for that reason; 16GB is the operating standard. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Mon Mar 2 07:37:46 2015 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 07:37:46 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] cool laptop In-Reply-To: References: <54F3BD2D.4000803@codeventure.net> <20150302022011.GD2224@archibald> Message-ID: <1425299866.5281.11.camel@whitemice.org> On Sun, 2015-03-01 at 20:28 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > I'm not sure what is toy-like about it > Looks, .. of course. Smallish keyboard, monster touchpad, .. not built for > serious work. > The keyboard on my Envy is literally [side] edge-to-edge, and with > backlight keys a joy to use even in a dark room. +1 a *REAL* keyboard is key if you are going to use the laptop as a laptop to do *WORK* [vs reading stuff]. Using a laptop on the train or in the airport as a mobile workstation vs. using a laptop where you plug it into a real-size display and keyboard everywhere you go [essentially a laptop as a luggable workstation]. > > My biggest concern would be the touch screen and whether it will work > > with Linux. > Might have try a bootable USB image on one to tell for sure, .. It has USB 3.0 which is envy inducing. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com Fri Mar 6 10:27:10 2015 From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:27:10 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five tonight (March 6) Message-ID: <5D902DD8-A01B-4108-A81A-F360E86564DA@virtualinterconnect.com> We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event. A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode. Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View: http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No alcohol). No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug. Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the doorbell if it's shut. Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com Fri Mar 6 10:30:55 2015 From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:30:55 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five tonight (March 6) In-Reply-To: <5D902DD8-A01B-4108-A81A-F360E86564DA@virtualinterconnect.com> References: <5D902DD8-A01B-4108-A81A-F360E86564DA@virtualinterconnect.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Oh, also, I'll be bringing my new RTL-SDR software defined radio and attempting to get it to work with Debian (works great already w/ Gentoo), in case anyone's interested in seeing how that works. Warm Regards, Kyle Maas On March 6, 2015 10:27:10 AM EST, Kyle Maas wrote: >We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux >User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at >least one of us will be here during the event. > >A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to >join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode. > >Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled > >Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not >handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View: >http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO > >Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus >route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest >stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY > >Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No >alcohol). No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug. > >Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the >doorbell if it's shut. > >Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are restaurants, >cafes and bookstores all around, though. > >-- >Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. - -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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Looking online it seems that prelink is a legit linux program, but it's not running now, after a restart, So when does it run? And what would cause it to hog 100% of one of the cores? Thanks. EB From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com Thu Mar 12 16:02:51 2015 From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:02:51 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five this week (March 13) Message-ID: <5501F0EB.4040005@virtualinterconnect.com> I'll be bringing my RTL-SDR radio again this week, if anyone wants to see how that works. Warm Regards, Kyle Maas ----- We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event. A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode. Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View: http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No alcohol). No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug or someone responds to this e-mail. Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the doorbell if it's shut. Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though. From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:41:39 2015 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:41:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five cancelled tonight Message-ID: Hope to see you all soon. In other news, my youngest will be old enough to visit in a couple weeks. My oldest...is going to have to start playing some Linux video games or something to keep him occupied at FAF. So perhaps we can convert a Raspberry Pi or one of those Beagle bones into a gaming system and show off some Linux games. Dunno. Project idea. -- :wq From jtr at jrichards.org Sun Mar 22 17:01:35 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:01:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question Message-ID: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> Guys, This is not strictly Linux-related so please indulge me. We bought a couple 65" TVs (cheaper than a projector/screen) for Sunday morning worship services (lyric projection, etc.). I have a laptop with Ubuntu running OpenLP (open source lyric projection). The TVs do not have a VGA connector and the laptop only has a VGA connector. I bought two VGA->HDMI adapters. When I connect the laptop to this with a short VGA cable (~6') I get full 1920x1080. This runs through a 4-port VGA video splitter, also with a ~6' cable. Works as it should. However, when I connect a 75' video cable from the laptop to the splitter Ubuntu only wants 1024x768 (verified via 'xrandr -q' on the CLI). This seems like a loss of video signal. Would a VGA signal booster eliminate this? I don't want to spend more money without being sure. This seems plain to me, but I want to make sure I am not missing anything. -- john-thomas ----- If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, poet (1807-1882) From ironmike52 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 17:23:23 2015 From: ironmike52 at hotmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:23:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> Message-ID: Hi John-Thomas, This is Mike from Brightside Church. Your problem is that hdmi doesn't travel over 50 feet without an amplifier. We tried to do the same thing with the same results. What we ended up doing was to convert the signal with a hdmi to cat5 adapter and then back again at the projector. Mike Miller Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:01:35 -0400 > From: jtr at jrichards.org > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question > > Guys, > > This is not strictly Linux-related so please indulge me. > > We bought a couple 65" TVs (cheaper than a projector/screen) for Sunday > morning worship services (lyric projection, etc.). I have a laptop with > Ubuntu running OpenLP (open source lyric projection). The TVs do not > have a VGA connector and the laptop only has a VGA connector. I bought > two VGA->HDMI adapters. When I connect the laptop to this with a short > VGA cable (~6') I get full 1920x1080. This runs through a 4-port VGA > video splitter, also with a ~6' cable. Works as it should. However, when > I connect a 75' video cable from the laptop to the splitter Ubuntu only > wants 1024x768 (verified via 'xrandr -q' on the CLI). This seems like a > loss of video signal. Would a VGA signal booster eliminate this? I don't > want to spend more money without being sure. This seems plain to me, but > I want to make sure I am not missing anything. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in > each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility. > Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, poet (1807-1882) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sydneyjd at openmailbox.org Sun Mar 22 17:48:30 2015 From: sydneyjd at openmailbox.org (Sydney Dykstra) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:48:30 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> Message-ID: <550F38AE.8020606@openmailbox.org> I help with the audio/video/lighting at our church and we split the video then run it through a VGA to cat5 converter. works great over longs distances. we do have some very long runs that we use them for. I don't know what rand they are though or i would recommend them to you. I do know that the adapters have a psu of their own, so that probably helps amplify the signal. Hope this helps. -Sydney From sydneyjd at openmailbox.org Sun Mar 22 17:49:48 2015 From: sydneyjd at openmailbox.org (Sydney Dykstra) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:49:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <550F38AE.8020606@openmailbox.org> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <550F38AE.8020606@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: <550F38FC.3060605@openmailbox.org> And back to vga when it reaches the projector. :P In case you were wondering. :) On 03/22/2015 05:48 PM, Sydney Dykstra wrote: > I help with the audio/video/lighting at our church and we split the > video then run it through a VGA to cat5 converter. works great over > longs distances. we do have some very long runs that we use them for. > I don't know what rand they are though or i would recommend them to > you. I do know that the adapters have a psu of their own, so that > probably helps amplify the signal. > > Hope this helps. > > -Sydney > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From jtr at jrichards.org Sun Mar 22 20:21:50 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 20:21:50 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> Message-ID: <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 05:23:23PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > > From: jtr at jrichards.org > > This is not strictly Linux-related so please indulge me. > > > > We bought a couple 65" TVs (cheaper than a projector/screen) for Sunday > > morning worship services (lyric projection, etc.). I have a laptop with > > Ubuntu running OpenLP (open source lyric projection). The TVs do not > > have a VGA connector and the laptop only has a VGA connector. I bought > > two VGA->HDMI adapters. When I connect the laptop to this with a short > > VGA cable (~6') I get full 1920x1080. This runs through a 4-port VGA > > video splitter, also with a ~6' cable. Works as it should. However, when > > I connect a 75' video cable from the laptop to the splitter Ubuntu only > > wants 1024x768 (verified via 'xrandr -q' on the CLI). This seems like a > > loss of video signal. Would a VGA signal booster eliminate this? I don't > > want to spend more money without being sure. This seems plain to me, but > > I want to make sure I am not missing anything. > > > This is Mike from Brightside Church. Your problem is that hdmi > doesn't travel over 50 feet without an amplifier. We tried to do the > same thing with the same results. > What we ended up doing was to convert the signal with a hdmi to cat5 > adapter and then back again at the projector. The HDMI portion is just six feet. If I boost the signal over the longest distance (from the laptop to the VGA splitter) will this work? CAT5 sounds great but given the VGA to HDMI conversion (with a signal split before the conversion) I'm not sure that's a viable option. -- john-thomas ----- Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes. Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965) From jtr at jrichards.org Sun Mar 22 20:30:09 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 20:30:09 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> Message-ID: <20150323003009.GC6234@archibald> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 08:21:50PM -0400, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 05:23:23PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > > > From: jtr at jrichards.org > > > This is not strictly Linux-related so please indulge me. > > > > > > We bought a couple 65" TVs (cheaper than a projector/screen) for Sunday > > > morning worship services (lyric projection, etc.). I have a laptop with > > > Ubuntu running OpenLP (open source lyric projection). The TVs do not > > > have a VGA connector and the laptop only has a VGA connector. I bought > > > two VGA->HDMI adapters. When I connect the laptop to this with a short > > > VGA cable (~6') I get full 1920x1080. This runs through a 4-port VGA > > > video splitter, also with a ~6' cable. Works as it should. However, when > > > I connect a 75' video cable from the laptop to the splitter Ubuntu only > > > wants 1024x768 (verified via 'xrandr -q' on the CLI). This seems like a > > > loss of video signal. Would a VGA signal booster eliminate this? I don't > > > want to spend more money without being sure. This seems plain to me, but > > > I want to make sure I am not missing anything. > > > > > This is Mike from Brightside Church. Your problem is that hdmi > > doesn't travel over 50 feet without an amplifier. We tried to do the > > same thing with the same results. > > What we ended up doing was to convert the signal with a hdmi to cat5 > > adapter and then back again at the projector. > > The HDMI portion is just six feet. If I boost the signal over the > longest distance (from the laptop to the VGA splitter) will this work? That is, over the VGA portion. -- john-thomas ----- As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. Josh Billings From sydneyjd at openmailbox.org Sun Mar 22 22:05:28 2015 From: sydneyjd at openmailbox.org (Sydney Dykstra) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 22:05:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323003009.GC6234@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323003009.GC6234@archibald> Message-ID: <550F74E8.6050300@openmailbox.org> I don't know from experience, but it seems like it might work. I Used vga over 50ft once and it ran fine, maybe was a higher quality cord plus the splitter was powered before the VGA cord. IMO if you are willing to try it, go for the booster, but i have no clue how much or if it will help. 75ft is a long way for VGA. Plus if the splitter is powered i think it would help.(if it is) For one room we split the video then send it over 2 separate cat5 cords for each screen, mainly to be able to control whats on each screen IIRC. How were you doing it before you bought the TVs? The VGA cord? It worked fine? -Sydney From ironmike52 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 22:16:27 2015 From: ironmike52 at hotmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 22:16:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald>, , <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> Message-ID: If I'm not wrong, we had a high quality vga cable run from sound booth to the front of the church with no problem. If that helps... Mike Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > The HDMI portion is just six feet. If I boost the signal over the > longest distance (from the laptop to the VGA splitter) will this work? > CAT5 sounds great but given the VGA to HDMI conversion (with a signal > split before the conversion) I'm not sure that's a viable option. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes. > Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 09:23:54 2015 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:23:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> Message-ID: How many screens? Could co-locate a Raspberry Pi with each one, connected to to Ethernet? Then either run the software separately on each one, or use some sort of network screen mirroring like VNC? On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > If I'm not wrong, we had a high quality vga cable run from sound booth to > the front of the church with no problem. If that helps... > > Mike > > > *Note:* No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a > large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > > > > > The HDMI portion is just six feet. If I boost the signal over the > > longest distance (from the laptop to the VGA splitter) will this work? > > CAT5 sounds great but given the VGA to HDMI conversion (with a signal > > split before the conversion) I'm not sure that's a viable option. > > -- > > john-thomas > > ----- > > Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes. > > Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965) > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Mar 23 13:23:26 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 13:23:26 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> Message-ID: <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 09:23:54AM -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote: > How many screens? Could co-locate a Raspberry Pi with each one, connected > to to Ethernet? Then either run the software separately on each one, or use > some sort of network screen mirroring like VNC? Running the software locally at each display (two large, one small) is not an option as the slides have to be advanced manually. I've tested the set up with much shorter cables and I get full 1080 resolution. Unless I'm missing something entirely, this sounds like a signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed and no longer mobile. -- john-thomas ----- Examinations are formidable even to the best prepared, for the greatest fool may ask more than the wisest man can answer. Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832) From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Mar 23 13:27:56 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:27:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > and no longer mobile. > HDMI -> CAT5 -> HDMI is much more readily available in the current marketplace, .. Lee From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Mar 23 13:44:46 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 13:44:46 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> Message-ID: <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:27:56PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > > and no longer mobile. > > > HDMI -> CAT5 -> HDMI is much more readily available in the current > marketplace, .. I would love to do HDMI, but as indicated earlier in this thread the laptop is VGA-only. -- john-thomas ----- We are not retreating?we are advancing in another direction. General Douglas MacArthur (1880-1964) From sydneyjd at openmailbox.org Mon Mar 23 14:12:34 2015 From: sydneyjd at openmailbox.org (Sydney Dykstra) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:12:34 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> Message-ID: <55105792.6040903@openmailbox.org> I guess its up to you on what you are willing to spend, or what idea you like better. I really don't know if either is a better or worse option. Im not really seeing anything on ebay that is just for boosting VGA signal. The powered VGA splitters seem to do that. What if, just for testing, you put the splitter before the long VGA run, and see how well it sends the vga signal through the long run to just 1 TV? Also Is the splitter powered? If it is powered that might give you an idea of what boosting the VGA signal would change. -Sydney From ironmike52 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 17:53:58 2015 From: ironmike52 at hotmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:53:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald>, , <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald>, , , <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald>, , <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> Message-ID: one other plan, depends on usb. there are many usb to hdmi / vga dongles out there at 15 to 50 bucks. might that work? Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 13:44:46 -0400 > From: jtr at jrichards.org > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VGA / video question > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:27:56PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > > > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > > > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > > > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > > > and no longer mobile. > > > > > HDMI -> CAT5 -> HDMI is much more readily available in the current > > marketplace, .. > > I would love to do HDMI, but as indicated earlier in this thread the > laptop is VGA-only. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > We are not retreating?we are advancing in another direction. > General Douglas MacArthur (1880-1964) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coderjoe69 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 19:16:00 2015 From: coderjoe69 at yahoo.com (Thad Ward) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> References: <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> Message-ID: <209258868.1265621.1427152560597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I've used a few different cat5/cat6 extenders for doing video at conventions, both with VGA and HDMI. One location we used shielded cat6 with one of these (or some other brand that looked identical) to run the video a few hundred feet (including a coil of excess cable backstage) http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-VGA-Monitor-Extender-feet/dp/B002KQ6ZD8/ I don't know why there is only one power adapter in that one, though. There should be one for each end. The "two power adapters" option appears to be a different model entirely, with two VGA ports at each end and lower maximum resolution. Regular cat5e will probably be fine for the run. I think the cat6 STP was overkill. ----- Original Message ----- > From: John-Thomas Richards > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VGA / video question > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 09:23:54AM -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> How many screens? Could co-locate a Raspberry Pi with each one, connected >> to to Ethernet? Then either run the software separately on each one, or use >> some sort of network screen mirroring like VNC? > > Running the software locally at each display (two large, one small) is > not an option as the slides have to be advanced manually. > > I've tested the set up with much shorter cables and I get full 1080 > resolution. Unless I'm missing something entirely, this sounds like a > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > and no longer mobile. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > Examinations are formidable even to the best prepared, for the greatest > fool may ask more than the wisest man can answer. > Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Mar 23 20:07:32 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:07:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald> <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> Message-ID: <20150324000732.GA2076@archibald> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 05:53:58PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > > From: jtr at jrichards.org > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:27:56PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > > > > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > > > > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > > > > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > > > > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > > > > and no longer mobile. > > > > > > > HDMI -> CAT5 -> HDMI is much more readily available in the current > > > marketplace, .. > > > > I would love to do HDMI, but as indicated earlier in this thread the > > laptop is VGA-only. > > > one other plan, depends on usb. there are many usb to hdmi / vga > dongles out there at 15 to 50 bucks. might that work? Probably not. Most of those devices have terrible (if any) Linux support. I spoke with a vendor's pre-sale tech support. He directed me to a VGA extender (which his company does not sell). It looks like they run less than $50 or so. -- john-thomas ----- Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves. Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the U.S (1809-1865) From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Mar 23 20:38:19 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:38:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <209258868.1265621.1427152560597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> <209258868.1265621.1427152560597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20150324003819.GA14927@archibald> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:16:00PM +0000, Thad Ward wrote: > > From: John-Thomas Richards > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 09:23:54AM -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> How many screens? Could co-locate a Raspberry Pi with each one, connected > >> to to Ethernet? Then either run the software separately on each one, or use > >> some sort of network screen mirroring like VNC? > > > > Running the software locally at each display (two large, one small) is > > not an option as the slides have to be advanced manually. > > > > I've tested the set up with much shorter cables and I get full 1080 > > resolution. Unless I'm missing something entirely, this sounds like a > > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > > and no longer mobile. > > I've used a few different cat5/cat6 extenders for doing video at conventions, both > with VGA and HDMI. One location we used shielded cat6 with one of these (or some > other brand that looked identical) to run the video a few hundred feet (including > a coil of excess cable backstage) > > http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-VGA-Monitor-Extender-feet/dp/B002KQ6ZD8/ > > I don't know why there is only one power adapter in that one, though. There should > be one for each end. The "two power adapters" option appears to be a different > model entirely, with two VGA ports at each end and lower maximum resolution. > > Regular cat5e will probably be fine for the run. I think the cat6 STP was overkill. I actually spoke with a Star Tech (the manufacturer) rep today. He said converting that many times would likely result in too much signal loss: VGA (analog) to CAT5 (digital) back to VGA and then to HDMI (digital). I was impressed when he told me that what I need is not a product he sells. -- john-thomas ----- It is not what we do, but also what we do not do, for which we are accountable. Moliere, actor and playwright (1622-1673) From ironmike52 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 22:14:16 2015 From: ironmike52 at hotmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:14:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: <20150324000732.GA2076@archibald> References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald>, , <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald>, , , <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald>, , <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald>, , <20150324000732.GA2076@archibald> Message-ID: we did use the vga amp on our 2 feeds. 1 went to our projector and other went to a dvd recorder. touchy but worked for the 120 feet vga run. we have upgraded beyond that point. Mike Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:07:32 -0400 > From: jtr at jrichards.org > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VGA / video question > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 05:53:58PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > > > From: jtr at jrichards.org > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:27:56PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > > > > > > signal issue (as Mike indicated). The question then becomes whether to > > > > > buy a VGA signal booster for the longest length of cable (the one from > > > > > the laptop to the VGA port splitter) or go with VGA-->CAT5-->VGA > > > > > adapters. I don't really need much flexibility since this is installed > > > > > and no longer mobile. > > > > > > > > > HDMI -> CAT5 -> HDMI is much more readily available in the current > > > > marketplace, .. > > > > > > I would love to do HDMI, but as indicated earlier in this thread the > > > laptop is VGA-only. > > > > > one other plan, depends on usb. there are many usb to hdmi / vga > > dongles out there at 15 to 50 bucks. might that work? > > Probably not. Most of those devices have terrible (if any) Linux > support. I spoke with a vendor's pre-sale tech support. He directed me > to a VGA extender (which his company does not sell). It looks like they > run less than $50 or so. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves. > Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the U.S (1809-1865) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Tue Mar 24 07:21:32 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:21:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald> <20150323172326.GA29901@archibald> <20150323174446.GB29901@archibald> <20150324000732.GA2076@archibald> Message-ID: <20150324112132.GB14927@archibald> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:14:16PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > we did use the vga amp on our 2 feeds. 1 went to our projector and > other went to a dvd recorder. touchy but worked for the 120 feet vga > run. we have upgraded beyond that point. What resolution was the projector running? -- john-thomas ----- Metaphysics means only an unusually obstinate attempt to think clearly and consistently. William James From ironmike52 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:47:40 2015 From: ironmike52 at hotmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:47:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] FW: VGA / video question In-Reply-To: References: <20150322210135.GA30195@archibald>, , <20150323002150.GA6234@archibald>, , Message-ID: Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:23:30 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: [GRLUG] VGA / video question From: tangenmark at gmail.com To: ironmike52 at hotmail.com We do a 125' run using a passive DVI over CAT6 converter and DVI to HDMI converter: http://atlona.com/product/at-dvi60srs/ http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Snagless-Ethernet-Patch/dp/B00B3UT5JI http://www.startech.com/Cables/Audio-Video/Video-Adapter/8in-HDMI-to-DVI-D-Video-Cable-Adapter-HDMI-Male-to-DVI-Female~HDDVIMF8IN this conversation popped up on the local linux user board. also, John-Thomas was our fill in preacher from Calvary Church between Pastors. I tried to help him with some of the stuff we learned doing our video screen setup. anything you can add might help. Mike Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 20:21:50 -0400 > From: jtr at jrichards.org > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VGA / video question > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 05:23:23PM -0400, Mike Miller wrote: > > > From: jtr at jrichards.org > > > This is not strictly Linux-related so please indulge me. > > > > > > We bought a couple 65" TVs (cheaper than a projector/screen) for Sunday > > > morning worship services (lyric projection, etc.). I have a laptop with > > > Ubuntu running OpenLP (open source lyric projection). The TVs do not > > > have a VGA connector and the laptop only has a VGA connector. I bought > > > two VGA->HDMI adapters. When I connect the laptop to this with a short > > > VGA cable (~6') I get full 1920x1080. This runs through a 4-port VGA > > > video splitter, also with a ~6' cable. Works as it should. However, when > > > I connect a 75' video cable from the laptop to the splitter Ubuntu only > > > wants 1024x768 (verified via 'xrandr -q' on the CLI). This seems like a > > > loss of video signal. Would a VGA signal booster eliminate this? I don't > > > want to spend more money without being sure. This seems plain to me, but > > > I want to make sure I am not missing anything. > > > > > This is Mike from Brightside Church. Your problem is that hdmi > > doesn't travel over 50 feet without an amplifier. We tried to do the > > same thing with the same results. > > What we ended up doing was to convert the signal with a hdmi to cat5 > > adapter and then back again at the projector. > > The HDMI portion is just six feet. If I boost the signal over the > longest distance (from the laptop to the VGA splitter) will this work? > CAT5 sounds great but given the VGA to HDMI conversion (with a signal > split before the conversion) I'm not sure that's a viable option. > -- > john-thomas > ----- > Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes. > Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug or someone responds to this e-mail. Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the doorbell if it's shut. Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:34:32 2015 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 16:34:32 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five, Fri Mar 27 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been informed that the bus route link is obsolete, and this is the new bus route link: http://bit.ly/1HRPhz8 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:23 PM Michael Mol wrote: > We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux > User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at > least one of us will be here during the event. (This week, Kyle. next > week, maybe both?) > > A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to > join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode. > > Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled > > Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not > handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View: > http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO > > Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus > route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest > stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY > > Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No > alcohol). No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug or > someone responds to this e-mail. > > Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the > doorbell if it's shut. > > Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. 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