From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 15:21:20 2015
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:21:20 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] No GRLUG/Friday After Five tonight.
Message-ID: <CA+czFiChhTACXnY2qE+C1U_C4KHsdvk0LFcKistuu8zLGjFWNw@mail.gmail.com>

And probably not next week.

See you guys soon!
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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 16:24:06 2015
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:24:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiAOnnia947ziSugFDP753E=r94pXA8GdcwMaC=7ReM77w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+czFiAOnnia947ziSugFDP753E=r94pXA8GdcwMaC=7ReM77w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1063546766.2752781.1423862646713.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I created a web site that I host for my own use (few users)It has a certificate I created my selfThe cert is not 100% legal - ok for my use but spits out error messagesWhen I use Chrome web browser I can log in and create my pdf fileWhen I use firefox web browser I can log in (it displays the data) but when I click on the POST to create the pdf fileThe pdf does not display
Any ideas?
Thanks
Both the server and the browser are running ubuntu!   
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From binki at gentoo.org  Fri Feb 13 18:00:09 2015
From: binki at gentoo.org (Nathan Phillip Brink)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:00:09 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
In-Reply-To: <1063546766.2752781.1423862646713.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+czFiAOnnia947ziSugFDP753E=r94pXA8GdcwMaC=7ReM77w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1063546766.2752781.1423862646713.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20150213223208.GH27270@ohnopublishing.net>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:24:06PM +0000, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
> I created a web site that I host for my own use (few users)It has a certificate I created my selfThe cert is not 100% legal - ok for my use but spits out error messagesWhen I use Chrome web browser I can log in and create my pdf fileWhen I use firefox web browser I can log in (it displays the data) but when I click on the POST to create the pdf fileThe pdf does not display
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Both the server and the browser are running ubuntu!   

Have you tried opening the developer console in FireFox (I think you
open it by pressing C-I (ctrl+shift+i)) to see if any interesting
errors pop up when you click POST? Does anything change?does the
browser just display a blank page or does it stay at the original
page?

-- 
binki

Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes!
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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 19:12:59 2015
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:12:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
In-Reply-To: <20150213223208.GH27270@ohnopublishing.net>
References: <20150213223208.GH27270@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID: <954357338.248614.1423872779238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I placed a echo in my php that creates the pdf and it displays the web site echo and error.With out the echo it appears that nothing happens!It stays on the original page?There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
      From: Nathan Phillip Brink <binki at gentoo.org>
 To: grlug at grlug.org 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
   
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:24:06PM +0000, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:


> I created a web site that I host for my own use (few users)It has a certificate I created my selfThe cert is not 100% legal - ok for my use but spits out error messagesWhen I use Chrome web browser I can log in and create my pdf fileWhen I use firefox web browser I can log in (it displays the data) but when I click on the POST to create the pdf fileThe pdf does not display
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Both the server and the browser are running ubuntu!? 

Have you tried opening the developer console in FireFox (I think you
open it by pressing C-I (ctrl+shift+i)) to see if any interesting
errors pop up when you click POST? Does anything change?does the
browser just display a blank page or does it stay at the original
page?

-- 
binki

Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes!
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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 19:24:41 2015
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
In-Reply-To: <20150213223208.GH27270@ohnopublishing.net>
References: <20150213223208.GH27270@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID: <1719904353.2790872.1423873481510.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I changed the output code from I (inline) to D to force to (download)found after dinner, and google fpdf.php firefox
Thanks?There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
      From: Nathan Phillip Brink <binki at gentoo.org>
 To: grlug at grlug.org 
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Firefox Chrome PhP web site problem!
   
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:24:06PM +0000, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:


> I created a web site that I host for my own use (few users)It has a certificate I created my selfThe cert is not 100% legal - ok for my use but spits out error messagesWhen I use Chrome web browser I can log in and create my pdf fileWhen I use firefox web browser I can log in (it displays the data) but when I click on the POST to create the pdf fileThe pdf does not display
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Both the server and the browser are running ubuntu!? 

Have you tried opening the developer console in FireFox (I think you
open it by pressing C-I (ctrl+shift+i)) to see if any interesting
errors pop up when you click POST? Does anything change?does the
browser just display a blank page or does it stay at the original
page?

-- 
binki

Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes!
_______________________________________________
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grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Feb 14 12:10:38 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:10:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba weirdness
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to troubleshoot a problem on a new Samba box, and I just realized
that smbtree does not work on MOST of the machines to which I have access!

I noticed that where it *isn't* working, smbtree version is v4 or greater,
.. on the machine where it IS working it is 3.4.

What has changed for usage in Sambe 4?

	TIA!

	Lee

From justin.denick at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 13:21:52 2015
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:21:52 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba weirdness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <09C94A77-936A-4092-ABE4-F653145CBEAD@gmail.com>

I have had luck here 
https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html#SERVERMAXPROTOCOL

-j


--

Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:10 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
> Trying to troubleshoot a problem on a new Samba box, and I just realized
> that smbtree does not work on MOST of the machines to which I have access!
> 
> I noticed that where it *isn't* working, smbtree version is v4 or greater,
> .. on the machine where it IS working it is 3.4.
> 
> What has changed for usage in Sambe 4?
> 
>    TIA!
> 
>    Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Feb 14 13:51:52 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:51:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba weirdness
In-Reply-To: <09C94A77-936A-4092-ABE4-F653145CBEAD@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <09C94A77-936A-4092-ABE4-F653145CBEAD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141246160.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Justin Denick wrote:

> I have had luck here
> https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html#SERVERMAXPROTOCOL
>
Thanks!! Unfortunately, no luck at this point.

Would anyone have a working [Global] section against which smbtree does
work normally?

	Thanks!

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Feb 16 13:31:34 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:31:34 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba weirdness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424111494.2988.0.camel@whitemice.org>

On Sat, 2015-02-14 at 11:10 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to troubleshoot a problem on a new Samba box, and I just realized
> that smbtree does not work on MOST of the machines to which I have access!
> I noticed that where it *isn't* working, smbtree version is v4 or greater,
> .. on the machine where it IS working it is 3.4.
> What has changed for usage in Sambe 4?

It works for me; version 4.1.12.

It seems local "WORKGROUP" crud and the resident Active Directory
domain.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Feb 16 14:10:41 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:10:41 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba weirdness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502161252570.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502141106340.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1424111494.2988.0.camel@whitemice.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502161252570.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424113841.2988.7.camel@whitemice.org>

On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 12:56 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > It works for me; version 4.1.12.
> > It seems local "WORKGROUP" crud and the resident Active Directory
> > domain.
> Not sure I caught the point?

Seriously???

You -> "I noticed that where it *isn't* working, smbtree version is v4
or greater,.. on the machine where it IS working it is 3.4."

Me -> I am version 4, it works here.

> What has changed for usage in Samba 4?

None, no change.

> Here is a [global] configuration from my server here in the shop;
> everything works *EXCEPT* browsing/smbtree:

Why do you believe this is a Samba related issue and not network policy,
firewall, SELinux, etc...?

Because smbtree does not much care about Samba configuration, it is a
network browser.  I do not have an "smb.conf" file on the box I am on,
Samba is not running, smbtree goes to the network for its information.
smbtree will wander all over your network; it may be a *feature* of the
network that smbtree is broken

You can watch smbtree in action by running it with an elevated debug
level:
  
    smbtree --debuglevel=10 

My guess is you are going to see it trying to communicate with network
hosts and being swatted down.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Feb 24 10:46:04 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:46:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

There does not seem to be any resonable "Windoze admin level" way to
manage Samba - something that a local admin can do 'point-and-click'.

Have used Webmin in the past, but that is really way too complicated.
Having to add users and change passwords on the command like is just way
too primitive.

What do folks to for Samba user management nowdays? If nothing else, a way
to do PAM with current Samba? [There are some notes on doing that in 2003
WinBind days, but nothing more recent.]

	TIA!

	Lee

From justin.denick at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 11:33:32 2015
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:33:32 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <0F483998-81C7-4D32-B766-98DC0CDEA4D2@gmail.com>

CLI primitive? Webmin complicated? 
oh my, so haxor


On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:46 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> There does not seem to be any resonable "Windoze admin level" way to
> manage Samba - something that a local admin can do 'point-and-click'.
> 
> Have used Webmin in the past, but that is really way too complicated.
> Having to add users and change passwords on the command like is just way
> too primitive.
> 
> What do folks to for Samba user management nowdays? If nothing else, a way
> to do PAM with current Samba? [There are some notes on doing that in 2003
> WinBind days, but nothing more recent.]
> 
> 	TIA!
> 
> 	Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

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From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Feb 24 11:47:38 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:47:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <0F483998-81C7-4D32-B766-98DC0CDEA4D2@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <0F483998-81C7-4D32-B766-98DC0CDEA4D2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241047040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

> CLI primitive? Webmin complicated?
> oh my, so haxor
>
Guess you've never seen a Windoze admin in operation? Are you saying you
like Webmin for a solution?

	Lee

From john at wesorick.com  Tue Feb 24 12:11:15 2015
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:11:15 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <0F483998-81C7-4D32-B766-98DC0CDEA4D2@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241047040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+H0GfYhKYjM9HOn=-a46FaS0tbf2HeHL6Y+Y=P-j9Bd4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using Samba4's active directory authentication for about a year
now, in a strictly Linux environment. I'd hardly consider samba-tool as
hard to use, but some people like point-and-click. Personally, I'd rather
have everything on the server managed by CLI, but that's a preference.

I have heard good things about Ajenti <http://ajenti.org/> recently if you
want something like Webmin. Not something I've used personally, but it
seems to be cleaner. Not sure if they have a plugin for Active
Directory/Samba management. Also, if you are using Samba4, it *is* an
Active Directory server for all intents and purposes. If they have a
Windows box, you can just fire up any of the tools available for AD
management.

I use SSSD for Samba4/Active Directory authentication with PAM.

-John Wesorick

On Tue Feb 24 2015 at 11:49:22 AM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> > CLI primitive? Webmin complicated?
> > oh my, so haxor
> >
> Guess you've never seen a Windoze admin in operation? Are you saying you
> like Webmin for a solution?
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
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From mfarver at mindbent.org  Tue Feb 24 12:29:37 2015
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:29:37 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M4vPXvUz4iA5skb+ux4FpRO3QgE3m9QGXbEgmLUvxFK_Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you need to have Windows admins using something, maybe you should try
just doing it in Windows Server.

Samba is great for making Unix play nice with Windows, but in the end
Microsoft's effort and Samba itself are mostly tuned toward Unix being
subservient to Active Directory.  Put the bulk of the infrastructure on
whichever platform the admins know best.

Mark
On Feb 24, 2015 10:46 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> There does not seem to be any resonable "Windoze admin level" way to
> manage Samba - something that a local admin can do 'point-and-click'.
>
> Have used Webmin in the past, but that is really way too complicated.
> Having to add users and change passwords on the command like is just way
> too primitive.
>
> What do folks to for Samba user management nowdays? If nothing else, a way
> to do PAM with current Samba? [There are some notes on doing that in 2003
> WinBind days, but nothing more recent.]
>
>         TIA!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Feb 24 12:34:37 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:34:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <CACNU6M4vPXvUz4iA5skb+ux4FpRO3QgE3m9QGXbEgmLUvxFK_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACNU6M4vPXvUz4iA5skb+ux4FpRO3QgE3m9QGXbEgmLUvxFK_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241132150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Mark Farver wrote:

> If you need to have Windows admins using something, maybe you should try
> just doing it in Windows Server.
>
Huh? We cannot recommend a client spend $2K - $5K on crap they don't need,
.. Hope that isn't common practice!

For example, we just installed a 10 user TS WIn7 environment - total cost
$200. Cost for all the MS crap would be almost $3K!

Never used AD and don't plan to, just looking for a simple way to allow
clients to admin Samba usres.

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Feb 24 12:35:14 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:35:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+H0GfYhKYjM9HOn=-a46FaS0tbf2HeHL6Y+Y=P-j9Bd4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <0F483998-81C7-4D32-B766-98DC0CDEA4D2@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241047040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACrkP+H0GfYhKYjM9HOn=-a46FaS0tbf2HeHL6Y+Y=P-j9Bd4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241134580.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, John Wesorick wrote:

> I've been using Samba4's active directory authentication for about a year
> now, in a strictly Linux environment. I'd hardly consider samba-tool as
> hard to use, but some people like point-and-click. Personally, I'd rather
> have everything on the server managed by CLI, but that's a preference.
>
> I have heard good things about Ajenti <http://ajenti.org/> recently if you
> want something like Webmin. Not something I've used personally, but it
> seems to be cleaner. Not sure if they have a plugin for Active
> Directory/Samba management. Also, if you are using Samba4, it *is* an
> Active Directory server for all intents and purposes. If they have a
> Windows box, you can just fire up any of the tools available for AD
> management.
>
> I use SSSD for Samba4/Active Directory authentication with PAM.
>
Thanks for the info, .. will check it out!

	Lee

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Tue Feb 24 12:56:18 2015
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:56:18 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241132150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACNU6M4vPXvUz4iA5skb+ux4FpRO3QgE3m9QGXbEgmLUvxFK_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502241132150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M7qoBq9mGnrhzRp8PNji1uH9RGs-RW1giqjSCgTBPb=+w@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 24, 2015 12:34 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Mark Farver wrote:
>
> > If you need to have Windows admins using something, maybe you should try
> > just doing it in Windows Server.
> >
> Huh? We cannot recommend a client spend $2K - $5K on crap they don't need,
> .. Hope that isn't common practice!

Compared to salaries licensing is generally a drop in the bucket.  A
skilled consultant knows all the solutions available and recommends a
solution that is best for the client, taking into account the entire
lifecycle costs.  If you are making recommendations based on personal bias
you are doing your clients a disservice.

The industry has long outgrown the "MS is crap" attitude.  Today most
companies have a mix of technologies and use whichever is most productive
for the task at hand.  Unix tends to be a winner for Internet and embedded
tasks, Windows still has a leg up for ease of use, authentication and
desktop software.

It appears to me that you regularly consult this list for free advice on
topics that your clients are paying you for expertise on.

> Never used AD and don't plan to, just looking for a simple way to allow
> clients to admin Samba usres.

I'm not a MS fan, having been deploying Linux into production since 1994,
but I can assure you that AD really has no parallel.  It's replication and
support for both Windows and Unix clients is excellent, and the tools to
administer it have a long and well tested history.  It is dense and opaque
at times, but for most situations it is better than the alternatives.

Mark
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 09:44:30 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:44:30 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424875470.4230.3.camel@whitemice.org>

On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 09:46 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> There does not seem to be any resonable "Windoze admin level" way to
> manage Samba - something that a local admin can do 'point-and-click'.

Windows MMC tools work perfectly with Samba.

> Have used Webmin in the past, but that is really way too complicated.
> Having to add users and change passwords on the command like is just way
> too primitive.

Yast2 provides a WebUI and Yast2 integrates with Active Directory.

> What do folks to for Samba user management nowdays? If nothing else, a way
> to do PAM with current Samba? [There are some notes on doing that in 2003
> WinBind days, but nothing more recent.]

I would use SSSD these days, which integrates very well with Kerberos
and Active Directory.  pam_sssd provide PAM authentication via SSSD.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 09:54:36 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:54:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <1424875470.4230.3.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250853240.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> Windows MMC tools work perfectly with Samba.
>
Of course, that assumes you have a Windoze server installation, ..

> Yast2 provides a WebUI and Yast2 integrates with Active Directory.
>
Again, only works with Windoze Server/AD!

Does nobody run Samba without Windoze Server?????

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 09:51:14 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:51:14 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <CACNU6M7qoBq9mGnrhzRp8PNji1uH9RGs-RW1giqjSCgTBPb=+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 12:56 -0500, Mark Farver wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2015 12:34 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Mark Farver wrote:
> The industry has long outgrown the "MS is crap" attitude.  

+1

> > Never used AD and don't plan to, just looking for a simple way to
> >allow clients to admin Samba usres.
> I'm not a MS fan, having been deploying Linux into production since
> 1994, but I can assure you that AD really has no parallel.  It's
> replication and support for both Windows and Unix clients is
> excellent, and the tools to administer it have a long and well tested
> history.  It is dense and opaque at times, but for most situations it
> is better than the alternatives.  

+1  Refusing to use Active Directory [which, BTW, Samba4 provides
effortlessly] is really choosing a route of pain.  You can be Open and
use Active Directory.  Active Directory *finally* provides a
just-do-it-this-way solution for identity and authentication, and it
uses standard protocols to do it [LDAP and Kerberos].

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 09:52:40 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:52:40 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424875960.4230.7.camel@whitemice.org>

On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 09:46 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> There does not seem to be any resonable "Windoze admin level" way to
> manage Samba - something that a local admin can do 'point-and-click'.
> What do folks to for Samba user management nowdays? 

If you just want a WebUI you might want to look at LAM
<https://www.ldap-account-manager.org/lamcms/>

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 09:54:54 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:54:54 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250853240.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1424875470.4230.3.camel@whitemice.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250853240.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424876094.4230.9.camel@whitemice.org>

On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 08:54 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Windows MMC tools work perfectly with Samba.
> Of course, that assumes you have a Windoze server installation, ..

No, it doesn't.  The MMC tools work on a 'desktop'.

> > Yast2 provides a WebUI and Yast2 integrates with Active Directory.
> Again, only works with Windoze Server/AD!

Incorrect.

> Does nobody run Samba without Windoze Server?????

I manage an Active Directory domain with no Windows AD servers.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From redheadedrodney at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 10:00:31 2015
From: redheadedrodney at gmail.com (Rodney)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:31 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
Message-ID: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>

What about using webmin to administer your linux box? You can do much with it and i generally never run a linux server without it.


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From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 10:02:05 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:02:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <1424875874.4230.6.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> +1  Refusing to use Active Directory [which, BTW, Samba4 provides
> effortlessly] is really choosing a route of pain.
>
Allow me to point you back to the original question, then - what
***LINUX*** tool do you use to manage Samba users? I don't have a problem
using AD, .. but the tool has to be Linux.

IOW, NO Windoze Server, single Linux server, ..

> You can be Open and use Active Directory.  Active Directory *finally*
> provides a just-do-it-this-way solution for identity and
> authentication, and it uses standard protocols to do it [LDAP and
> Kerberos].
>
I don't disagree with that entirely, .. but please see the question above!

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 09:57:36 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:57:36 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
References: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1424876256.4230.10.camel@whitemice.org>

On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 10:00 -0500, Rodney wrote:
> What about using webmin to administer your linux box? 

Webmin.  Just say no.  

I would buy that bumper sticker.

> You can do much with it and i generally never run a linux server
> without it.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 10:02:31 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:02:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <1424875960.4230.7.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250902180.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> If you just want a WebUI you might want to look at LAM
> <https://www.ldap-account-manager.org/lamcms/>
>
Ahh, .. will do - thanks!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 10:03:23 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:03:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
References: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250902380.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Rodney wrote:

> What about using webmin to administer your linux box? You can do much
> with it and i generally never run a linux server without it.
>
That's a possibility, but when we have tried it in the past, it seems to
be too commplicated for a Windoze-level admin.

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 10:04:39 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:04:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <1424876094.4230.9.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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 <1424876094.4230.9.camel@whitemice.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250904150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> No, it doesn't.  The MMC tools work on a 'desktop'.
>
OK, then, .. what is the .exe?

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Feb 25 10:15:20 2015
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:15:20 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250904150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1424875470.4230.3.camel@whitemice.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250853240.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1424876094.4230.9.camel@whitemice.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250904150.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1424877320.4230.15.camel@whitemice.org>

On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 09:04 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > No, it doesn't.  The MMC tools work on a 'desktop'.
> OK, then, .. what is the .exe?

mmc.exe

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Management_Console>
<https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709659.aspx>

You need to add it to XP.  It may be included in Windows 7 and later, I
cannot recall.  It is always there when I go to use it, but it may be
getting added automatically by our provisioning procedure.

Download -

XP <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20525>
Windows 7, RSAT
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=7887>
Windows 10, RSAT
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=44280>

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From megadave at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 10:25:53 2015
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:25:53 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250902380.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFP7kevHLdCiMg+JRFee0TsEAoTgBYE27eqw-D+BSwJfNWhJWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think the point here might be that windows admins are most likely
not qualified to properly maintain a linux machine without a lot of
retraining, regardless of what bells and whistles one might add. If
the machine is going to be linux, a qualified linux admin is needed.



On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:03 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Rodney wrote:
>
>> What about using webmin to administer your linux box? You can do much
>> with it and i generally never run a linux server without it.
>>
> That's a possibility, but when we have tried it in the past, it seems to
> be too commplicated for a Windoze-level admin.
>
>         Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Feb 25 10:31:11 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:31:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kevHLdCiMg+JRFee0TsEAoTgBYE27eqw-D+BSwJfNWhJWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
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 <CAFP7kevHLdCiMg+JRFee0TsEAoTgBYE27eqw-D+BSwJfNWhJWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250929370.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Dave Chiodo wrote:

> I think the point here might be that windows admins are most likely
> not qualified to properly maintain a linux machine without a lot of
> retraining, regardless of what bells and whistles one might add. If
> the machine is going to be linux, a qualified linux admin is needed.
>
No issue there, but we're not discussing *system* admin, just Samba.

We handle any system issues remotely, but it would be really nice if there
were a Linux tool (or, possibly, mmc.exe as Adam suggested) so we could
allow the onsite contact to manage users & passswords.

	Lee

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 10:36:37 2015
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:36:37 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502250929370.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <mc3nget1ec2no7vuyaqktys9.1424876431928@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+czFiD07HmL9Rxbq8qTUSU_9YTPmu8ygr17u9xkx1b-9bB-aQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:31 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Dave Chiodo wrote:
>
>> I think the point here might be that windows admins are most likely
>> not qualified to properly maintain a linux machine without a lot of
>> retraining, regardless of what bells and whistles one might add. If
>> the machine is going to be linux, a qualified linux admin is needed.
>>
> No issue there, but we're not discussing *system* admin, just Samba.
>
> We handle any system issues remotely, but it would be really nice if there
> were a Linux tool (or, possibly, mmc.exe as Adam suggested) so we could
> allow the onsite contact to manage users & passswords.

sudoers can permit this kind of access. Better yet, a python script
wrapping the particular commands you want them to be able to execute,
followed by sudoers configuration permitting the python script to do
its thing.

So,

localcontact at somehost: $ sudo user-admin.py
Enter your password:

would Just Work.


-- 
:wq

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 11:10:44 2015
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:10:44 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
In-Reply-To: <1424875874.4230.6.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <CA+czFiDqLRVEm9KWUEO1Vr+NqW0sjGSN85hxOc0-fGAX3etE-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 12:56 -0500, Mark Farver wrote:
>> On Feb 24, 2015 12:34 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Mark Farver wrote:
>> The industry has long outgrown the "MS is crap" attitude.
>
> +1
>
>> > Never used AD and don't plan to, just looking for a simple way to
>> >allow clients to admin Samba usres.
>> I'm not a MS fan, having been deploying Linux into production since
>> 1994, but I can assure you that AD really has no parallel.  It's
>> replication and support for both Windows and Unix clients is
>> excellent, and the tools to administer it have a long and well tested
>> history.  It is dense and opaque at times, but for most situations it
>> is better than the alternatives.
>
> +1  Refusing to use Active Directory [which, BTW, Samba4 provides
> effortlessly] is really choosing a route of pain.  You can be Open and
> use Active Directory.  Active Directory *finally* provides a
> just-do-it-this-way solution for identity and authentication, and it
> uses standard protocols to do it [LDAP and Kerberos].

You know, I have no complaints about AD, or even about Samba
integration to AD as a client.

But I was one of the early people to try to get Samba4 functioning as
an AD controller. And I tried again last year. And throughout the
period, I was gung-ho about Samba and AD integration, and really,
*really* wanted to get everything working.

In both cases, my experience can be summed up this way: Samba4 in an
AD context is horrifically underdocumented, the Samba bugtrackers are
lackadaisically-pursued, at best, and their mailing list leaves much
to be desired. I personally found it to be rude and condescending,
beyond what one is normally accustomed to as a newbie in a forum of
experts.

Oh, and don't buy any of the books on the subject if they're more than
a couple years old. Meaning any of them. And last I looked, their
online documentation was a hodge-podge of fairly version-specific
tutorials, all obsolete. I bought All The Books. I read them cover to
cover. I read all of the pages on all of the official websites. I
tried to follow all of the rules for all of the official channels,
tried to use the formal processes for everything, from mailing lists
to bugtrackers.

I could not make it work, the documentation to make it work was not
there, and the support to make it work was generally not there.

I will. Not. Touch. Samba. Not in a controller scenario, in any case.
And with things like sssd available, I'll very happily move in that
direction.

If they manage to get their act together and release an updated book,
or at least get their documentation cleaned up, maybe I'll look again.
But I have not gotten the impression that they are still a healthy
open-source project, and I don't have high hopes for their continued
relevance.

-- 
:wq

From john at wesorick.com  Wed Feb 25 11:22:31 2015
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:22:31 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba user management
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502240941430.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACNU6M4vPXvUz4iA5skb+ux4FpRO3QgE3m9QGXbEgmLUvxFK_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACrkP+H=S+TWJ8Ur21Ms30qWMLy2+_JdgU_bnYv4whm9f4HayA@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to get Samba4 working without too much trouble. The biggest
issue I ran into was that they don't support subdomains (or at least didn't
a year ago), and any help is confusing, since Samba 3 and Samba 4 are two
entirely different beasts, and most references are just about "Samba". Like
in this case. Lee hasn't even stated whether we are talking about Samba 3
or Samba 4.

On Wed Feb 25 2015 at 11:12:23 AM Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 12:56 -0500, Mark Farver wrote:
> >> On Feb 24, 2015 12:34 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Mark Farver wrote:
> >> The industry has long outgrown the "MS is crap" attitude.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> > Never used AD and don't plan to, just looking for a simple way to
> >> >allow clients to admin Samba usres.
> >> I'm not a MS fan, having been deploying Linux into production since
> >> 1994, but I can assure you that AD really has no parallel.  It's
> >> replication and support for both Windows and Unix clients is
> >> excellent, and the tools to administer it have a long and well tested
> >> history.  It is dense and opaque at times, but for most situations it
> >> is better than the alternatives.
> >
> > +1  Refusing to use Active Directory [which, BTW, Samba4 provides
> > effortlessly] is really choosing a route of pain.  You can be Open and
> > use Active Directory.  Active Directory *finally* provides a
> > just-do-it-this-way solution for identity and authentication, and it
> > uses standard protocols to do it [LDAP and Kerberos].
>
> You know, I have no complaints about AD, or even about Samba
> integration to AD as a client.
>
> But I was one of the early people to try to get Samba4 functioning as
> an AD controller. And I tried again last year. And throughout the
> period, I was gung-ho about Samba and AD integration, and really,
> *really* wanted to get everything working.
>
> In both cases, my experience can be summed up this way: Samba4 in an
> AD context is horrifically underdocumented, the Samba bugtrackers are
> lackadaisically-pursued, at best, and their mailing list leaves much
> to be desired. I personally found it to be rude and condescending,
> beyond what one is normally accustomed to as a newbie in a forum of
> experts.
>
> Oh, and don't buy any of the books on the subject if they're more than
> a couple years old. Meaning any of them. And last I looked, their
> online documentation was a hodge-podge of fairly version-specific
> tutorials, all obsolete. I bought All The Books. I read them cover to
> cover. I read all of the pages on all of the official websites. I
> tried to follow all of the rules for all of the official channels,
> tried to use the formal processes for everything, from mailing lists
> to bugtrackers.
>
> I could not make it work, the documentation to make it work was not
> there, and the support to make it work was generally not there.
>
> I will. Not. Touch. Samba. Not in a controller scenario, in any case.
> And with things like sssd available, I'll very happily move in that
> direction.
>
> If they manage to get their act together and release an updated book,
> or at least get their documentation cleaned up, maybe I'll look again.
> But I have not gotten the impression that they are still a healthy
> open-source project, and I don't have high hopes for their continued
> relevance.
>
> --
> :wq
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From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com  Fri Feb 27 08:55:18 2015
From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:55:18 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five tonight (February 27)
Message-ID: <914AF3B3-981F-4A6C-8A88-247740105E45@virtualinterconnect.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to
join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No
alcohol).  No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Feb 27 12:16:41 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:16:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Video Capture
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502271115460.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

Has anyone ever captured video to a file? Have an STL1160 USB 4-port
capture device recognized by the kernel, but there is just too much noise
on the search engines to figure out a solution for capturing video.

Don't want to watch TV, .. just capture the video stream coming in a port
on the dongle.

	Thanks!

        Lee


From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com  Fri Feb 27 13:57:03 2015
From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:57:03 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five tonight (February 27)
In-Reply-To: <914AF3B3-981F-4A6C-8A88-247740105E45@virtualinterconnect.com>
References: <914AF3B3-981F-4A6C-8A88-247740105E45@virtualinterconnect.com>
Message-ID: <A97CD68D-756C-48D7-A454-1A436857ADFC@virtualinterconnect.com>

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FYI: Sounds like we do have someone bringing pizza tonight.  Standard rules apply: if you want some, consider chipping in a couple bucks.

Warm Regards,
Kyle Maas



On February 27, 2015 8:55:18 AM EST, Kyle Maas <kyle at virtualinterconnect.com> wrote:
>We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
>User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at
>least one of us will be here during the event.
>
>A reminder: if you have any questions about this event, feel free to
>join us on our IRC channel - #grlug on FreeNode.
>
>Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week unless cancelled
>
>Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
>handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
>http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO
>
>Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
>route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
>stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY
>
>Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No
>alcohol).  No pizza this week unless I hear otherwise on #grlug.
>
>Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
>doorbell if it's shut.
>
>Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are
>restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

- --
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From sydneyjd at openmailbox.org  Fri Feb 27 22:34:41 2015
From: sydneyjd at openmailbox.org (Sydney Dykstra)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:34:41 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Video Capture
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502271115460.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502271115460.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <54F13751.9060608@openmailbox.org>

Mikemol on #grlug recomended me to the Hauppauge pvr-150 a while back, 
and i bought it and am very happy i did. It works perfectly and does an 
awesome job at it, even encoding the video to mpeg2 for me so i just 
have to copy the data stream using dd. The quality is superb also.
Did you happen to find a legit easycap?

-Sydney D

On 02/27/2015 12:16 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Has anyone ever captured video to a file? Have an STL1160 USB 4-port
> capture device recognized by the kernel, but there is just too much noise
> on the search engines to figure out a solution for capturing video.
>
> Don't want to watch TV, .. just capture the video stream coming in a port
> on the dongle.
>
> 	Thanks!
>
>          Lee
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Feb 28 20:29:03 2015
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:29:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Video Capture
In-Reply-To: <54F13751.9060608@openmailbox.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502271115460.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <54F13751.9060608@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1502281927310.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Sydney Dykstra wrote:

> Mikemol on #grlug recomended me to the Hauppauge pvr-150 a while back,
> and i bought it and am very happy i did. It works perfectly and does an
> awesome job at it, even encoding the video to mpeg2 for me so i just
> have to copy the data stream using dd. The quality is superb also.
>
Don't have any PCI, ..

> Did you happen to find a legit easycap?
>
More than one; detects just fine. Just looking for the simplest way to
capture to a file, and possibly run a preview.

	Thanks!

	Lee