From desertfrag at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 08:41:23 2015 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GRLUG] bc(6): Message-ID: <537306197.873490.1438605683647.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> http://igretu.freehostia.com/1h2b3c4d5e6q7a8z9s0dy.php The advance of li_berty is the path to _both a safer and _better world.Ellie Gaiters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 11:49:09 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:49:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line Message-ID: What would be the best editor to give somebody with ssh access who can already use gedit? vim, .. no; emacs, .. no; pico, .. no way. Any suggestions? Lee From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 11:54:18 2015 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:54:18 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of files will they be editing? Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. For coding I'm still an emacs guy. On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:49 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > What would be the best editor to give somebody with ssh access who > can already use gedit? vim, .. no; emacs, .. no; pico, .. no way. > > Any suggestions? > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 11:56:09 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: > "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of > files will they be editing? > html, php, etc. > Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. For > coding I'm still an emacs guy. > None would be good for a non-admin chap, but thanks! Lee From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:02:41 2015 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:02:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. Assuming they don't want to become command line junkies like us, they'd be better off editing locally. There are graphical tools for every platform to view directory contents and edit remote files by downloading them to /tmp and uploading them when the user hits 'save'. On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: > > > "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of > > files will they be editing? > > > html, php, etc. > > > Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. For > > coding I'm still an emacs guy. > > > None would be good for a non-admin chap, but thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Aug 6 12:05:26 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:05:26 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:49:09AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > What would be the best editor to give somebody with ssh access who > can already use gedit? vim, .. no; emacs, .. no; pico, .. no way. > > Any suggestions? Why not just run gedit over ssh? -- john-thomas ----- I took a speed reading course and read 'War and Peace' in twenty minutes. It involves Russia. Woody Allen, author, actor (1935- ) From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Aug 6 12:06:09 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:06:09 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150806160609.GC31465@archibald> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 12:02:41PM -0400, Roger Roelofs wrote: > There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. Exactly. The better question might be which editor is said user most willing to learn? -- john-thomas ----- I'm proud to pay taxes in the United States; the only thing is, I could be just as proud for half the money. Arthur Godfrey From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 12:06:57 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> References: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > Why not just run gedit over ssh?-- john-thomas----- > Gets complicated on a Windoze box, unfortunately. Lee From kc8zpq at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:07:31 2015 From: kc8zpq at gmail.com (Thomas Wodarek) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:07:31 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately, assuming you don't have x-forwarding, you're stuck with {vim,emacs,pico,nano,ed} or similar and they are all going to feel like command-line editors. If you need to be editing it on the remote machine via ssh, http://vim-adventures.com/ :) If you have it, x-forwarding gedit could work for you, but that can get lagy... On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Roger Roelofs wrote: > There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. > > Assuming they don't want to become command line junkies like us, they'd be > better off editing locally. There are graphical tools for every platform > to view directory contents and edit remote files by downloading them to > /tmp and uploading them when the user hits 'save'. > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: >> >> > "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of >> > files will they be editing? >> > >> html, php, etc. >> >> > Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. >> For >> > coding I'm still an emacs guy. >> > >> None would be good for a non-admin chap, but thanks! >> >> Lee >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > Roger > > Roger Roelofs > Know what you value. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:11:15 2015 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:11:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a Windows solution. https://winscp.net/eng/docs/task_edit On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Wodarek wrote: > Unfortunately, assuming you don't have x-forwarding, you're stuck with > {vim,emacs,pico,nano,ed} or similar and they are all going to feel like > command-line editors. > > If you need to be editing it on the remote machine via ssh, > http://vim-adventures.com/ :) > > If you have it, x-forwarding gedit could work for you, but that can get > lagy... > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Roger Roelofs > wrote: > >> There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. >> >> Assuming they don't want to become command line junkies like us, they'd >> be better off editing locally. There are graphical tools for every >> platform to view directory contents and edit remote files by downloading >> them to /tmp and uploading them when the user hits 'save'. >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: >>> >>> > "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of >>> > files will they be editing? >>> > >>> html, php, etc. >>> >>> > Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. >>> For >>> > coding I'm still an emacs guy. >>> > >>> None would be good for a non-admin chap, but thanks! >>> >>> Lee >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Roger >> >> Roger Roelofs >> Know what you value. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aesospadez at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:13:44 2015 From: aesospadez at gmail.com (Evan Roelofs) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 16:13:44 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can second using alternative editors via WinSCP. This is what our windows sysadmins at work use. On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:11 PM Roger Roelofs wrote: > Here's a Windows solution. https://winscp.net/eng/docs/task_edit > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Wodarek wrote: > >> Unfortunately, assuming you don't have x-forwarding, you're stuck with >> {vim,emacs,pico,nano,ed} or similar and they are all going to feel like >> command-line editors. >> >> If you need to be editing it on the remote machine via ssh, >> http://vim-adventures.com/ :) >> >> If you have it, x-forwarding gedit could work for you, but that can get >> lagy... >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Roger Roelofs >> wrote: >> >>> There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. >>> >>> Assuming they don't want to become command line junkies like us, they'd >>> be better off editing locally. There are graphical tools for every >>> platform to view directory contents and edit remote files by downloading >>> them to /tmp and uploading them when the user hits 'save'. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: >>>> >>>> > "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of >>>> > files will they be editing? >>>> > >>>> html, php, etc. >>>> >>>> > Before I succumbed to vim I preferred nano for editing config files. >>>> For >>>> > coding I'm still an emacs guy. >>>> > >>>> None would be good for a non-admin chap, but thanks! >>>> >>>> Lee >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roger >>> >>> Roger Roelofs >>> Know what you value. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > Roger > > Roger Roelofs > Know what you value. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Aug 6 12:15:25 2015 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:15:25 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> Message-ID: <20150806161525.GD31465@archibald> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 11:06:57AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > Why not just run gedit over ssh? > > > Gets complicated on a Windoze box, unfortunately. You've ruled out the most popular CLI editors. What's left? joe? nano? -- john-thomas ----- There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. Elie Wiesel, writer, Nobel laureate (b. 1928) From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Aug 6 12:18:29 2015 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:18:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1438877909.5928.0.camel@whitemice.org> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 10:49 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > What would be the best editor to give somebody with ssh access who > can already use gedit? vim, .. no; emacs, .. no; pico, .. no way. > Any suggestions? joe -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Aug 6 12:19:43 2015 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:19:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1438877983.5928.1.camel@whitemice.org> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 12:02 -0400, Roger Roelofs wrote: > There's no command line editor that doesn't feel like one. > Assuming they don't want to become command line junkies like us, > they'd be better off editing locally. There are graphical tools for > every platform to view directory contents and edit remote files by > downloading them to /tmp and uploading them when the user hits > 'save'. You can always edit files via sftp:// - remote edit without setting up any remote access via SSH. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 12:20:48 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:20:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: > Here's a Windows solution. https://winscp.net/eng/docs/task_edit > Interesting, .. had forgotten about that. Thanks! Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 12:29:04 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: <1438877983.5928.1.camel@whitemice.org> References: <1438877983.5928.1.camel@whitemice.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > You can always edit files via sftp:// - remote edit without setting > upany remote access via SSH. > Looks like winscp with an external editor is the best solution, .. Thanks! Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Aug 6 13:42:02 2015 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:42:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> Message-ID: <1438882922.5928.2.camel@whitemice.org> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 11:06 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > Why not just run gedit over ssh?-- john-thomas----- > Gets complicated on a Windoze box, unfortunately. Actually it works great. Xming. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 6 13:43:51 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:43:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: <1438882922.5928.2.camel@whitemice.org> References: <20150806160526.GB31465@archibald> <1438882922.5928.2.camel@whitemice.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Actually it works great. > Xming. > Wow, .. pretty cool! Thanks! Lee From robert.citek at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 15:26:20 2015 From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:26:20 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: > >> "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of >> files will they be editing? >> > html, php, etc. Sounds like the root question is not how to edit files but how to deploying code. For that, they probably should be editing locally (using Atom or whatever they want) and then deploying (e.g. quick-and-dirty rsync over ssh). Throw in git for easy reverting. On-site editing of code, configurations, settings, etc. should probably be discouraged. Regards, - Robert From richardnienhuis at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 20:56:53 2015 From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 20:56:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gedit on the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been using nuclide.io for my remote editing/developing needs. On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Robert Citek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Roger Roelofs wrote: > > > >> "best editor" questions always boil down to "it depends' What kind of > >> files will they be editing? > >> > > html, php, etc. > > Sounds like the root question is not how to edit files but how to > deploying code. For that, they probably should be editing locally > (using Atom or whatever they want) and then deploying (e.g. > quick-and-dirty rsync over ssh). Throw in git for easy reverting. > On-site editing of code, configurations, settings, etc. should > probably be discouraged. > > Regards, > - Robert > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 27 17:42:41 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM Message-ID: Have a new VM with 2012 Server (SuSE/Xen), and it runs just fine. Problem is, the docs say "Press the Start key to switch to the Start screen", .. but there ***IS*** no Star Button on a standard keyboard!! The key DNW, .. and the VNC server used by Virt-Manager does not pass the mouse position correctly for some reason so bumping the corner(s) DNW. Searching on "Start Key" is fruitless, .. might anyone know the magic key sequence? Tried: Esc Esc, and just about any other key sequence that has worked in the past. TIA!!! Lee From jwm8351 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 18:47:29 2015 From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:47:29 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1440715649.12582.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> 20 years ago mick sang about the windows key.... start me up Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"L. V. Lammert" Date:Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 5:42 PM Subject:[GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM Have a new VM with 2012 Server (SuSE/Xen), and it runs just fine. Problem is, the docs say "Press the Start key to switch to the Start screen", .. but there ***IS*** no Star Button on a standard keyboard!! The key DNW, .. and the VNC server used by Virt-Manager does not pass the mouse position correctly for some reason so bumping the corner(s) DNW. Searching on "Start Key" is fruitless, .. might anyone know the magic key sequence? Tried: Esc Esc, and just about any other key sequence that has worked in the past.     TIA!!!     Lee _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From faeren at faeren.com Thu Aug 27 19:44:56 2015 From: faeren at faeren.com (Faeren Madza) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:44:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee- Win+X brings up a menu that I find tends to be a lot more useful than the Start aka 'Metro' screen. What are you trying to get at exactly? The Start specifically? Or it is a means to get to some other menu? Does your client pass Win + X correctly? F. On Thursday, August 27, 2015, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Have a new VM with 2012 Server (SuSE/Xen), and it runs just fine. > Problem is, the docs say "Press the Start key to switch to the Start > screen", .. but there ***IS*** no Star Button on a standard keyboard!! > > The key DNW, .. and the VNC server used by Virt-Manager does not > pass the mouse position correctly for some reason so bumping the corner(s) > DNW. > > Searching on "Start Key" is fruitless, .. might anyone know the magic key > sequence? Tried: Esc Esc, and just about any other key > sequence that has worked in the past. > > TIA!!! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 27 20:57:22 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:57:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM In-Reply-To: <1440715649.12582.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1440715649.12582.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > 20 years ago mick sang about the windows key.... start me up > That's what **I** thought, .. but it DNW. TFTR! Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Aug 27 21:01:30 2015 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:01:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. 2012 Server VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Faeren Madza wrote: > Lee- > > Win+X brings up a menu that I find tends to be a lot more useful than the > Start aka 'Metro' screen. > Hi Faeren, That's what the docs specify, .. but unfortunately it DNW in the virt-manager VNC server. It would appear that X is a 'special' key sequence to the VNC server, .. > What are you trying to get at exactly? The Start specifically? Or it is a > means to get to some other menu? > Trying to get something other than a black screen. > Does your client pass Win + X correctly? > Can't use a client until I set a static IP, .. I might be able to hunt for the DHCP, but I was hoping there would be a way to actually USE the 2012 system in virt-manager. TFTR!~ Lee