From knightperson at zuzax.com  Sun Jun  1 00:44:29 2014
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 00:44:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] not exactly Linux, but ...
Message-ID: <538AAFAD.6030307@zuzax.com>

I thought I would see if anybody had any advice here. I am trying to run 
an IPv6 tunnel with Hurricane Electric, but there is apparently a 
problem with the firmware on AT&T Uverse's router that makes it 
impossible. According to my research, protocol 41, which is what the 
tunnel uses, gets forwarded to an AT&T server of some kind, maybe 
because they're planning to use it in their own IPv6 implementation when 
they get off their collective ass and make it work! Setting the router 
to DMZ+ mode, which supposedly redirects all traffic other than TV 
packets to my internal router, doesn't override this. AT&T will not give 
me different firmware because what I have is current, and they won't 
give me a different router without paying for a higher tier of service, 
which I refuse to do on general principles.

Any suggestions? I'll take recommendations for another provider if you 
have any. Alternatively, does anybody have experience using a 3rd party 
router at the edge with AT&T Uverse?

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Sun Jun  1 00:48:58 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 00:48:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] not exactly Linux, but ...
In-Reply-To: <538AAFAD.6030307@zuzax.com>
References: <538AAFAD.6030307@zuzax.com>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M45RwhQ2==cfrE=M=gW2PJXU=kBmcdgMNZMv=5VTMRWUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Jun 1, 2014 12:44 AM, "Mike Williams" <knightperson at zuzax.com> wrote:
>
> I thought I would see if anybody had any advice here. I am trying to run
an IPv6 tunnel with Hurricane Electric, but there is apparently a problem
with the firmware on AT&T Uverse's router that makes it impossible.

As far as I know there is no fix for this except a VPN tunnel.

The annoying thing is the router redirects protocol 41 packets so it can
terminate a V6 tunnel for the subscriber... But AT&T doesn't offer that or
use the feature.
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From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com  Wed Jun  4 10:54:38 2014
From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:54:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday after Five
Message-ID: <538F332E.7080307@virtualinterconnect.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Mike and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Jun  6 14:24:31 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:24:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Vbox vdi -> raw
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406061323380.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

Has anyone tried to convert a vdi to raw with 4.1.1? The converttoraw
option seems to have been removed from vboxmanage, .. is there another
method?

	Lee

From justin.denick at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 15:00:04 2014
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:00:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Vbox vdi -> raw
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406061323380.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406061323380.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <EAE589DF-987D-406E-B18E-AEA166E13263@gmail.com>

http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_converting.html says qemu will do it. 

It might just be a pointer. What are you using virtual box for?

-j


--

Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:24 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried to convert a vdi to raw with 4.1.1? The converttoraw
> option seems to have been removed from vboxmanage, .. is there another
> method?
> 
>    Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Jun  6 15:08:18 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:08:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Vbox vdi -> raw
In-Reply-To: <EAE589DF-987D-406E-B18E-AEA166E13263@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406061323380.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <EAE589DF-987D-406E-B18E-AEA166E13263@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406061407340.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 6 Jun 2014, Justin Denick wrote:

> http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_converting.html says qemu will do it.
>
Bingo, .. might be an option.

> It might just be a pointer. What are you using virtual box for?
>
Five year old VM installation, .. need to upgrade to Xen or KVM.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Jun 10 12:31:07 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:31:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
Message-ID: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>

I had T Rowe Price send me a pre-filled pdf form for a particular
transaction. But when I downloaded it from their message center via
Firefox, it saved and printed with all the check-boxes checked, rather
than just the ones that they had checked. The file actually shows as as
render.otc in the address line, but when I download and save it it shows
as .pdf. 

Any ideas what would cause that? A search seems to suggest that .otc is
an open document charting template, not a pdf. But there doesn't seem to
be any way to get from the preview in the browser to, say, LibreOffice,
since it saves as a pdf and that saved file doesn't open coherently in
LO.

Thanks.


From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Jun 10 15:44:18 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:44:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
In-Reply-To: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
References: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Eric Beversluis wrote:

> Any ideas what would cause that? A search seems to suggest that .otc is
> an open document charting template, not a pdf. But there doesn't seem to
> be any way to get from the preview in the browser to, say, LibreOffice,
> since it saves as a pdf and that saved file doesn't open coherently in
> LO.
>
Have you tried to open it in LO Draw? That is the only tool IME that has
any chance of opening a pdf.

	Lee

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 15:51:48 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:51:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGHmHofUgrSLAd78UVnc4ZFc7XPkUo=TbonuAoXTjmcz0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Umm, LibreOffice is not a pdf reader.  It can export to pdf.

You need maybe one of these?

https://wiki.debian.org/PDF




On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:44 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>
> > Any ideas what would cause that? A search seems to suggest that .otc is
> > an open document charting template, not a pdf. But there doesn't seem to
> > be any way to get from the preview in the browser to, say, LibreOffice,
> > since it saves as a pdf and that saved file doesn't open coherently in
> > LO.
> >
> Have you tried to open it in LO Draw? That is the only tool IME that has
> any chance of opening a pdf.
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Jun 10 16:02:27 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:02:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGHmHofUgrSLAd78UVnc4ZFc7XPkUo=TbonuAoXTjmcz0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAAuMJGHmHofUgrSLAd78UVnc4ZFc7XPkUo=TbonuAoXTjmcz0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101501060.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:

> Umm, LibreOffice is not a pdf reader.  It can export to pdf.
>
You might want to do a little LO exploring, .. as did OpenOffice, you can
print a pdf from any LO component.

LO Draw is a reasonable PDF editor, but there are so many PDF versions, it
is quite likely that there will be font and layout issues.

	Lee

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 16:12:24 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 16:12:24 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101501060.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAAuMJGHmHofUgrSLAd78UVnc4ZFc7XPkUo=TbonuAoXTjmcz0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101501060.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGHUTeuqKsip=fiULjO3VSXR2akZWupmojHdyKe8w9vcnw@mail.gmail.com>

That is not its primary purpose though.

Even the link I shared only shows OO.o and LO as pdf export only.

A pdf form is more complicated than just a regular pdf.

Good luck with it.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:
>
> > Umm, LibreOffice is not a pdf reader.  It can export to pdf.
> >
> You might want to do a little LO exploring, .. as did OpenOffice, you can
> print a pdf from any LO component.
>
> LO Draw is a reasonable PDF editor, but there are so many PDF versions, it
> is quite likely that there will be font and layout issues.
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 16:13:24 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 16:13:24 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] pdf download problem
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGHUTeuqKsip=fiULjO3VSXR2akZWupmojHdyKe8w9vcnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1402417867.7939.18.camel@ericscomputer.cyberacc.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101443460.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAAuMJGHmHofUgrSLAd78UVnc4ZFc7XPkUo=TbonuAoXTjmcz0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406101501060.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAAuMJGHUTeuqKsip=fiULjO3VSXR2akZWupmojHdyKe8w9vcnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGH-7eWQo3_R_tjVTjSALqgKhASSYkRrf93oaNRpn06o8Q@mail.gmail.com>

It is probably just passing it through to gs.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is not its primary purpose though.
>
> Even the link I shared only shows OO.o and LO as pdf export only.
>
> A pdf form is more complicated than just a regular pdf.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:
>>
>> > Umm, LibreOffice is not a pdf reader.  It can export to pdf.
>> >
>> You might want to do a little LO exploring, .. as did OpenOffice, you can
>> print a pdf from any LO component.
>>
>> LO Draw is a reasonable PDF editor, but there are so many PDF versions, it
>> is quite likely that there will be font and layout issues.
>>
>>         Lee
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From edwardjoncrawford at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 08:35:15 2014
From: edwardjoncrawford at gmail.com (Edward Crawford)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:35:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Question on MySQL
Message-ID: <CAAzTyD7OED77V45c0_hYYzDoVN6jQLMYGT-QwCTWyEsgcr39OA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to install MySql on my system so the server runs on my
development machine but the datastore files are held on an external drive?
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From jdenick at rtl.org  Thu Jun 12 08:37:59 2014
From: jdenick at rtl.org (Justin Denick)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:37:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Question on MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAAzTyD7OED77V45c0_hYYzDoVN6jQLMYGT-QwCTWyEsgcr39OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAzTyD7OED77V45c0_hYYzDoVN6jQLMYGT-QwCTWyEsgcr39OA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A691D1F1-03B2-4610-8A17-E31D6FDB40CA@rtl.org>

The DATA DIR could be a simple parameter to the startup script. Or, it could also be something defined in my.cnf



On Jun 12, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Edward Crawford <edwardjoncrawford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to install MySql on my system so the server runs on my development machine but the datastore files are held on an external drive?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From flanderb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 11:37:34 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:37:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
Message-ID: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>

I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
brand/model?

This is just a stop gap until we cover the whole warehouse in 5ish
years, so I have been given the go ahead for consumer grade, roughly
$200 routers.

I currently have linksys and these lasted about 3 years.  What is
happening is that I am having to cycle the power daily on one of these
and the other is starting to show signs of the same disease.




Share and Enjoy
Ben

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Thu Jun 12 11:50:53 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:50:53 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Jun 12, 2014 8:38 AM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
> brand/model?

At $200 you could get a 3 pack of Ubiquiti APs if you don't need routers.
I've seen them work well though some people have told me they are unhappy
with the quality lately.  Depending on the space you may consider the LR
versions.

Mark
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 12:42:59 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:42:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>

Those look good.  Thank you.
Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org> wrote:
>
> On Jun 12, 2014 8:38 AM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
>> brand/model?
>
> At $200 you could get a 3 pack of Ubiquiti APs if you don't need routers.
> I've seen them work well though some people have told me they are unhappy
> with the quality lately.  Depending on the space you may consider the LR
> versions.
>
> Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From megadave at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 16:21:09 2014
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:21:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7kev=Uacc645sHuY0saWWUNcnPJpAwbEFc7vhGyXrd5pCHg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll second the Ubiquiti recommendation. I replaced a point-to-point link
with a pair of their combo units, and performance and reliability compared
to the previous setup jumped by leaps and bounds. I'm getting 100Mbits
reliably where before I struggled to average 10Mbit.


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Those look good.  Thank you.
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 12, 2014 8:38 AM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
> >> brand/model?
> >
> > At $200 you could get a 3 pack of Ubiquiti APs if you don't need routers.
> > I've seen them work well though some people have told me they are unhappy
> > with the quality lately.  Depending on the space you may consider the LR
> > versions.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 17:41:54 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:41:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kev=Uacc645sHuY0saWWUNcnPJpAwbEFc7vhGyXrd5pCHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7kev=Uacc645sHuY0saWWUNcnPJpAwbEFc7vhGyXrd5pCHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdZESoxv_HJtDzaxcj2_wQaoFas+Go3C5NBdppTQVU9hEOxsw@mail.gmail.com>

The Quick Guide says this
Power can be provided by either of the following:
? Included PoE Adapter
? Ubiquiti Networks TOUGHSwitch PRO, model TS-8-PRO

We already have a Cisco POE switch so I thought I'm good, but an
amazon question/answer(TOTALLY trusted information source) stated
Will this AP work with a standard POE Switch? Jan 26, 2014
No it uses 24 volts and the standard is 48Volts. This accesspoint is
proprietary.

Is this right?  Will this not work with my cisco poe switch?
Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Dave Chiodo <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll second the Ubiquiti recommendation. I replaced a point-to-point link
> with a pair of their combo units, and performance and reliability compared
> to the previous setup jumped by leaps and bounds. I'm getting 100Mbits
> reliably where before I struggled to average 10Mbit.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Those look good.  Thank you.
>> Share and Enjoy
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Jun 12, 2014 8:38 AM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
>> >> brand/model?
>> >
>> > At $200 you could get a 3 pack of Ubiquiti APs if you don't need
>> > routers.
>> > I've seen them work well though some people have told me they are
>> > unhappy
>> > with the quality lately.  Depending on the space you may consider the LR
>> > versions.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From megadave at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 17:44:22 2014
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:44:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESoxv_HJtDzaxcj2_wQaoFas+Go3C5NBdppTQVU9hEOxsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7kev=Uacc645sHuY0saWWUNcnPJpAwbEFc7vhGyXrd5pCHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESoxv_HJtDzaxcj2_wQaoFas+Go3C5NBdppTQVU9hEOxsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7ketgOrmBufP0XVnmb6b0JMhiokFB9vsNQyV5rAqx+UZxRA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pretty sure Ubiquiti uses a nonstandard PoE setup... It might be
possible to adapt though.


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Quick Guide says this
> Power can be provided by either of the following:
> ? Included PoE Adapter
> ? Ubiquiti Networks TOUGHSwitch PRO, model TS-8-PRO
>
> We already have a Cisco POE switch so I thought I'm good, but an
> amazon question/answer(TOTALLY trusted information source) stated
> Will this AP work with a standard POE Switch? Jan 26, 2014
> No it uses 24 volts and the standard is 48Volts. This accesspoint is
> proprietary.
>
> Is this right?  Will this not work with my cisco poe switch?
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Dave Chiodo <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll second the Ubiquiti recommendation. I replaced a point-to-point link
> > with a pair of their combo units, and performance and reliability
> compared
> > to the previous setup jumped by leaps and bounds. I'm getting 100Mbits
> > reliably where before I struggled to average 10Mbit.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Those look good.  Thank you.
> >> Share and Enjoy
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Jun 12, 2014 8:38 AM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
> >> >> brand/model?
> >> >
> >> > At $200 you could get a 3 pack of Ubiquiti APs if you don't need
> >> > routers.
> >> > I've seen them work well though some people have told me they are
> >> > unhappy
> >> > with the quality lately.  Depending on the space you may consider the
> LR
> >> > versions.
> >> >
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > grlug mailing list
> >> > grlug at grlug.org
> >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> grlug mailing list
> >> grlug at grlug.org
> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From mfarver at mindbent.org  Thu Jun 12 18:04:03 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:04:03 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESoxv_HJtDzaxcj2_wQaoFas+Go3C5NBdppTQVU9hEOxsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACNU6M5QPF6SKmS9zX4u1vQnGB7hFupKsWm3+HYXsQuBi6pPUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESpMjXGkSrREXbqtuOcL0fscrO45qYuVwy5WxX2DzhekQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7kev=Uacc645sHuY0saWWUNcnPJpAwbEFc7vhGyXrd5pCHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESoxv_HJtDzaxcj2_wQaoFas+Go3C5NBdppTQVU9hEOxsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M4RR1=Y7eYZAO0n7=yNDCSbFO00dhUBu9mTYk1g91+JkQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Jun 12, 2014 2:42 PM, "Benjamin Flanders" <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:

> We already have a Cisco POE switch so I thought I'm good, but an

Ubiquiti uses a non standard 24v POE system.  They do sell an "Instant
802.3" adapter that goes inline and allows their 24v devices to be powered
by 48v 802.3af POE switches.  It is another 20-30$ or so.

I can't confirm but I heard the Pro model APs may use the 802.3af POE
standard.

Mark
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From megadave at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 04:01:48 2014
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 04:01:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Question on MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAAzTyD7OED77V45c0_hYYzDoVN6jQLMYGT-QwCTWyEsgcr39OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAzTyD7OED77V45c0_hYYzDoVN6jQLMYGT-QwCTWyEsgcr39OA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7ketfdK4qUPdmFkQButYZrLcTCQxYT+JjjS1gqcACLd3S2A@mail.gmail.com>

Mount your external drive at /var/lib/mysql/

Or mount it in some other static location, but make a symlink at that path
to a path within your drive.


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Edward Crawford <
edwardjoncrawford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to install MySql on my system so the server runs on my
> development machine but the datastore files are held on an external drive?
>
>
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Fri Jun 13 06:22:36 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:22:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1402654956.6318.1.camel@linux-86wr.site>

On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 11:37 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
> I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
> brand/model?

Cisco 1140;  we buy them by the box, used, from e-bay.

> I currently have linksys and these lasted about 3 years.  What is
> happening is that I am having to cycle the power daily on one of these
> and the other is starting to show signs of the same disease.

Sounds normal.
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com  Fri Jun 13 09:04:40 2014
From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:04:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday after Five
Message-ID: <539AF6E8.3040002@virtualinterconnect.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Mike and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Mike and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

From matthew at threadlight.com  Fri Jun 13 11:21:38 2014
From: matthew at threadlight.com (Matthew Seeley)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:21:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1402654956.6318.1.camel@linux-86wr.site>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1402654956.6318.1.camel@linux-86wr.site>
Message-ID: <CAB3sFx-jjv_x8wbXFEs69yRuMZu9Qdxfc_rGndFWFhu58Q5pZw@mail.gmail.com>

+1 to Ubiquiti.

If you need something that you can pick up in a store *today*, I've had a
lot of luck with the Asus RT-AC66R using the new firmware. Nice, fast,
solid, reliable.

Not as pretty as Ubiquiti. But very convenient.



--
Matthew Seeley
Threadlight Systems
PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501
(616) 328-5649


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org
> wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 11:37 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
> > I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
> > brand/model?
>
> Cisco 1140;  we buy them by the box, used, from e-bay.
>
> > I currently have linksys and these lasted about 3 years.  What is
> > happening is that I am having to cycle the power daily on one of these
> > and the other is starting to show signs of the same disease.
>
> Sounds normal.
> --
> Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
> Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From godwin at grandrapids-lug.org  Fri Jun 13 17:34:08 2014
From: godwin at grandrapids-lug.org (Godwin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:34:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAB3sFx-jjv_x8wbXFEs69yRuMZu9Qdxfc_rGndFWFhu58Q5pZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1402654956.6318.1.camel@linux-86wr.site>
 <CAB3sFx-jjv_x8wbXFEs69yRuMZu9Qdxfc_rGndFWFhu58Q5pZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0okVycziku61wqdfL0bStySaw-QUXWOM2NmS-egMHQHEbG+A@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on Ubiquiti LR (long range) AP's.  I manage 3 (one local and two over an
IPSEc vpn link).  I can also confirm that they don't work with Cisco POE
switches (SF500's and SG500's).  I use the included POE adapter for the
local one and a tough switch pro 8-port for the two over the VPN link.  All
managed from the same local controller.  It's a beautiful thing.

G-


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Matthew Seeley <matthew at threadlight.com>
wrote:

> +1 to Ubiquiti.
>
> If you need something that you can pick up in a store *today*, I've had a
> lot of luck with the Asus RT-AC66R using the new firmware. Nice, fast,
> solid, reliable.
>
> Not as pretty as Ubiquiti. But very convenient.
>
>
>
> --
> Matthew Seeley
> Threadlight Systems
> PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501
> (616) 328-5649
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Adam Tauno Williams <
> awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 11:37 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
>> > I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
>> > brand/model?
>>
>> Cisco 1140;  we buy them by the box, used, from e-bay.
>>
>> > I currently have linksys and these lasted about 3 years.  What is
>> > happening is that I am having to cycle the power daily on one of these
>> > and the other is starting to show signs of the same disease.
>>
>> Sounds normal.
>> --
>> Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
>> Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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>



-- 

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From flanderb at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 17:55:30 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:55:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wireless Router suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAO0okVycziku61wqdfL0bStySaw-QUXWOM2NmS-egMHQHEbG+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESoMPwdBjnMO5=MmntQQnehAkRBOJQP7KZ5sP9qsb60-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1402654956.6318.1.camel@linux-86wr.site>
 <CAB3sFx-jjv_x8wbXFEs69yRuMZu9Qdxfc_rGndFWFhu58Q5pZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO0okVycziku61wqdfL0bStySaw-QUXWOM2NmS-egMHQHEbG+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdZESq2WB-aMFEgxMBPTbEOFoXoOwo4beSEqTeshuxxPwRefA@mail.gmail.com>

I just ordered to of the standard and two poe converters to down
sample the voltage.  I'm excited to put these in and not have to worry
about when the last time i cycled the power was.  Thank you for the
suggestion.
Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Godwin <godwin at grandrapids-lug.org> wrote:
> +1 on Ubiquiti LR (long range) AP's.  I manage 3 (one local and two over an
> IPSEc vpn link).  I can also confirm that they don't work with Cisco POE
> switches (SF500's and SG500's).  I use the included POE adapter for the
> local one and a tough switch pro 8-port for the two over the VPN link.  All
> managed from the same local controller.  It's a beautiful thing.
>
> G-
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Matthew Seeley <matthew at threadlight.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> +1 to Ubiquiti.
>>
>> If you need something that you can pick up in a store *today*, I've had a
>> lot of luck with the Asus RT-AC66R using the new firmware. Nice, fast,
>> solid, reliable.
>>
>> Not as pretty as Ubiquiti. But very convenient.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Seeley
>> Threadlight Systems
>> PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501
>> (616) 328-5649
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
>> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 11:37 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
>>> > I need to replace 2 wireless routers at work.  any suggestions on the
>>> > brand/model?
>>>
>>> Cisco 1140;  we buy them by the box, used, from e-bay.
>>>
>>> > I currently have linksys and these lasted about 3 years.  What is
>>> > happening is that I am having to cycle the power daily on one of these
>>> > and the other is starting to show signs of the same disease.
>>>
>>> Sounds normal.
>>> --
>>> Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
>>> Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ubber::Geek
> http://grlug.org/
>
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From brousch at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 09:07:54 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:07:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Untangle vs pfSense vs ?
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to install a firewall appliance at home and am looking at
recommendations. I don't want to roll my own, so I'm looking at distros
like Untangle or pfSense.

I am currently using Untangle at work. I'm pretty happy with it, but the
price of non-free modules (web filter, web cache, qos) is higher than I
would like, especially for home.

So I'm looking for opinions from those of you who use pfSense, Untangle, or
similar firewall distros.

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/
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From leapole at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 10:56:29 2014
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 07:56:29 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Untangle vs pfSense vs ?
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFACC578-CFC2-4588-B348-C84F9FBCC4A5@gmail.com>

Hi Ben,

Pfsense for the win.  

Untangle cost money,  monowall doesn't seem to be used much,  same deal with ipcop.

Depending on your hardware it might make sense to pick up an edge router lite for power cost. They work pretty well with a vyatta is clone and their is discussion that pfsense 2.2 might make it on the device.

Josh

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 6:07 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would like to install a firewall appliance at home and am looking at recommendations. I don't want to roll my own, so I'm looking at distros like Untangle or pfSense.
> 
> I am currently using Untangle at work. I'm pretty happy with it, but the price of non-free modules (web filter, web cache, qos) is higher than I would like, especially for home.
> 
> So I'm looking for opinions from those of you who use pfSense, Untangle, or similar firewall distros.
> 
> -- 
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Thu Jun 19 11:20:41 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:20:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Untangle vs pfSense vs ?
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A2FFC9.60005@upmerchants.com>

What type of firewall apps to you need/want?  web filter, web cache, 
qos, something else?

That might help in recommending something.

On 06/19/2014 09:07 AM, Ben Rousch wrote:
> I would like to install a firewall appliance at home and am looking at 
> recommendations. I don't want to roll my own, so I'm looking at 
> distros like Untangle or pfSense.
>
> I am currently using Untangle at work. I'm pretty happy with it, but 
> the price of non-free modules (web filter, web cache, qos) is higher 
> than I would like, especially for home.
>
> So I'm looking for opinions from those of you who use pfSense, 
> Untangle, or similar firewall distros.
>
> -- 
>  Ben Rousch
> brousch at gmail.com <mailto:brousch at gmail.com>
> http://clusterbleep.net/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From brousch at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 11:37:52 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:37:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Untangle vs pfSense vs ?
In-Reply-To: <53A2FFC9.60005@upmerchants.com>
References: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <53A2FFC9.60005@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB3t595ZtYtgg+9juiZ6wZyQZLpX2pyXvk+PKt8iqPsA2Q@mail.gmail.com>

For home, I'd ideally like firewall, dhcp, nat, web filter, ad blocking. 3
users with about 10 devices at any time

For work, I'd like the above as well as qos and intrusion detection. 25
users with about 40 devices at peak usage


On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com>
wrote:

>  What type of firewall apps to you need/want?  web filter, web cache, qos,
> something else?
>
> That might help in recommending something.
>
>
> On 06/19/2014 09:07 AM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>
> I would like to install a firewall appliance at home and am looking at
> recommendations. I don't want to roll my own, so I'm looking at distros
> like Untangle or pfSense.
>
>  I am currently using Untangle at work. I'm pretty happy with it, but the
> price of non-free modules (web filter, web cache, qos) is higher than I
> would like, especially for home.
>
>  So I'm looking for opinions from those of you who use pfSense, Untangle,
> or similar firewall distros.
>
>  --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Patrick Goupell
>
> Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
> Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com
>
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Thu Jun 19 12:25:33 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:25:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Untangle vs pfSense vs ?
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB3t595ZtYtgg+9juiZ6wZyQZLpX2pyXvk+PKt8iqPsA2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOPHfB3ZvaYrCLFGrK=Km65yEdoEirBBOJrxhDAtQHUtTfCU8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <53A2FFC9.60005@upmerchants.com>
 <CAOPHfB3t595ZtYtgg+9juiZ6wZyQZLpX2pyXvk+PKt8iqPsA2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A30EFD.6090200@upmerchants.com>

The free version of untangle seems to have what you listed.
https://www.untangle.com/store/ngfw-free.html

The free versions may not be as full featured as the pay for versions 
but they might be sufficient for a home setting.




On 06/19/2014 11:37 AM, Ben Rousch wrote:
> For home, I'd ideally like firewall, dhcp, nat, web filter, ad 
> blocking. 3 users with about 10 devices at any time
>
> For work, I'd like the above as well as qos and intrusion detection. 
> 25 users with about 40 devices at peak usage
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Patrick Goupell 
> <patrick at upmerchants.com <mailto:patrick at upmerchants.com>> wrote:
>
>     What type of firewall apps to you need/want?  web filter, web
>     cache, qos, something else?
>
>     That might help in recommending something.
>
>
>     On 06/19/2014 09:07 AM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>>     I would like to install a firewall appliance at home and am
>>     looking at recommendations. I don't want to roll my own, so I'm
>>     looking at distros like Untangle or pfSense.
>>
>>     I am currently using Untangle at work. I'm pretty happy with it,
>>     but the price of non-free modules (web filter, web cache, qos) is
>>     higher than I would like, especially for home.
>>
>>     So I'm looking for opinions from those of you who use pfSense,
>>     Untangle, or similar firewall distros.
>>
>>     -- 
>>      Ben Rousch
>>     brousch at gmail.com <mailto:brousch at gmail.com>
>>     http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     grlug mailing list
>>     grlug at grlug.org  <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>     -- 
>     Patrick Goupell
>
>     Are you free?  Find out athttp://www.sedm.org/
>     Income taxes?  Find out athttp://www.whatistaxed.com
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>  Ben Rousch
> brousch at gmail.com <mailto:brousch at gmail.com>
> http://clusterbleep.net/
>
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 13:28:58 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:28:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday after Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiBy0foOC_PsUH24ht2pMEgvoWyLAp04MWauATZu41Kj3A@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq

From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Jun 20 16:09:55 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:09:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to replicate a system, .. looking at dpkg --get-selections shows
the list of installed packages, of course, .. but is there a way to
retrieve the *heirarchy*? IOW, if I install one high-level package, I can
avoid installing all 15 of it's dependencies.

	TIA!

	Lee

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Jun 20 18:20:39 2014
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 18:20:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Does it matter? No.
Just install the packages and if you are worried about installing some
frivolous packages... use something like deborphan to clear out the
stuff you don't want... IMO much easier than your way. I've been using
Debian for much longer than you have.

Using the meta-packages or trying to figure out which ones to install
(and they might not even BE) is a pita and is helpful for doing a
piece meal install rather than a replication.

apt-cache rdepends package

Is what you are looking for, but WAY more work on the front end than
with deborphan on the back end.

Trust me when I tell you... just install the packages and clean it up
with things like deborphan.

There is also debfoster if you really want to get into that.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 4:09 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> Trying to replicate a system, .. looking at dpkg --get-selections shows
> the list of installed packages, of course, .. but is there a way to
> retrieve the *heirarchy*? IOW, if I install one high-level package, I can
> avoid installing all 15 of it's dependencies.
>
>         TIA!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Jun 20 18:27:52 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:27:52 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
In-Reply-To: <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.g
 mail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201406202227.s5KMRiWc011568@Mail.omnitec.net>

At 05:20 PM 6/20/2014, Greg Folkert wrote:
>Does it matter? No.

Actually, it does in this case. But, that was not the question.

>apt-cache rdepends package

Bingo - thanks for the reply!

         Lee 


From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Jun 20 18:32:15 2014
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 18:32:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
In-Reply-To: <201406202227.s5KMRiWc011568@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201406202227.s5KMRiWc011568@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+iXHEzORWe9ONfFQc0oEm6BP5Am56WT3=uW1oi54gkxtmAEA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually *NO* it does not functionally equivalent... but much more
fussing and billable time for your customer doing the on the front
end.

I'm sure you have some really good reason to "use" that time.

Cheers.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 6:27 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> At 05:20 PM 6/20/2014, Greg Folkert wrote:
>>
>> Does it matter? No.
>
>
> Actually, it does in this case. But, that was not the question.
>
>> apt-cache rdepends package
>
>
> Bingo - thanks for the reply!
>
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Jun 20 18:34:51 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:34:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
In-Reply-To: <CAH+iXHEzORWe9ONfFQc0oEm6BP5Am56WT3=uW1oi54gkxtmAEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201406202227.s5KMRiWc011568@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHEzORWe9ONfFQc0oEm6BP5Am56WT3=uW1oi54gkxtmAEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201733560.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Greg Folkert wrote:

> Actually *NO* it does not functionally equivalent...
>
No clue, .. what does that mean?

> but much more fussing and billable time for your customer doing the on
> the front  end.
>
> I'm sure you have some really good reason to "use" that time.
>
Yep, .. to build the list of packages I asked about.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Jun 23 17:14:05 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 16:14:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] DNS Weirdness
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406231606260.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

OK, .. here's a head scratcher! One of our clients is using SRSPlus as a
domain registrar, and we're *trying* to use a local copy of bind.

Problem is, the base records for the domain DNS servers keep 'vanishing'!
For example, at the end of last week, ns1 was visible but ns2 was not:

$ host ns1.wtwebdev.com
ns1.wtwebdev.com has address 208.82.146.90

and ns1 was not:

$ host ns2.wtwebdev.com
ns2.wtwebdev.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Today, ns1 is gone and ns2 is visible!

If course, they resolve just fine *using* ns1 or ns2, what I can't figure
out is why the base record keeps disappearing. If it were a caching issue,
would not ns1 *stay* visible? SRSPlus says it works fine there, of course.

Testing from outside machines yields mixed results, there seems to be no
pattern to the problem. If anyone can contribute some DNSfoo, please do!

	Lee


From grlug at darkhaven.net  Mon Jun 23 18:00:41 2014
From: grlug at darkhaven.net (Dan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:00:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DNS Weirdness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406231606260.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406231606260.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <53A8A389.2080401@darkhaven.net>

dan at thinkpad:~$ dig ns wtwebdev.com

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-4-Debian <<>> ns wtwebdev.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3495
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;wtwebdev.com.            IN    NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
wtwebdev.com.        21460    IN    NS    ns2.
wtwebdev.com.        21460    IN    NS    ns1.


Your NS records appear to be ns1 and ns2.  They need to be
ns1.wtwebdev.com. and ns2.webdev.com. (with the trailing periods).
And don't forget to increment your serial number once you change that.

- Dan

On 06/23/2014 05:14 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> OK, .. here's a head scratcher! One of our clients is using SRSPlus as a
> domain registrar, and we're *trying* to use a local copy of bind.
>
> Problem is, the base records for the domain DNS servers keep 'vanishing'!
> For example, at the end of last week, ns1 was visible but ns2 was not:
>
> $ host ns1.wtwebdev.com
> ns1.wtwebdev.com has address 208.82.146.90
>
> and ns1 was not:
>
> $ host ns2.wtwebdev.com
> ns2.wtwebdev.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
>
> Today, ns1 is gone and ns2 is visible!
>
> If course, they resolve just fine *using* ns1 or ns2, what I can't figure
> out is why the base record keeps disappearing. If it were a caching issue,
> would not ns1 *stay* visible? SRSPlus says it works fine there, of course.
>
> Testing from outside machines yields mixed results, there seems to be no
> pattern to the problem. If anyone can contribute some DNSfoo, please do!
>
> 	Lee
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>


From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Jun 23 18:12:23 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:12:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] DNS Weirdness
In-Reply-To: <53A8A389.2080401@darkhaven.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406231606260.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <53A8A389.2080401@darkhaven.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406231711500.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014, Dan Taylor wrote:

> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> wtwebdev.com.        21460    IN    NS    ns2.
> wtwebdev.com.        21460    IN    NS    ns1.
>
>
> Your NS records appear to be ns1 and ns2.  They need to be
> ns1.wtwebdev.com. and ns2.webdev.com. (with the trailing periods).
> And don't forget to increment your serial number once you change that.
>
Bingo - thanks! Don't know how that was missed, but at least the problem.

	Lee

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Mon Jun 23 20:25:47 2014
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:25:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Showing Debian package heirarchy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201733560.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201508120.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHHZemDoVjzFAhGsf5UKnr8+=ZQ7etukfGyVjBj11_L-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201406202227.s5KMRiWc011568@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAH+iXHEzORWe9ONfFQc0oEm6BP5Am56WT3=uW1oi54gkxtmAEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1406201733560.20498@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+iXHFAomyqdpnvHa2X9Dz=NNDm4atJ69FqiMhZawosEJpOiQ@mail.gmail.com>

So... you are just fapping to make work. No you doing a dpkg
--get-selections gives you all you need.

You are doing a lot of work for effectively no real purpose other than
mental masturbation.

I'm sorry, I'll refrain from answering you in the future.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 6:34 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Greg Folkert wrote:
>
>> Actually *NO* it does not functionally equivalent...
>>
> No clue, .. what does that mean?
>
>> but much more fussing and billable time for your customer doing the on
>> the front  end.
>>
>> I'm sure you have some really good reason to "use" that time.
>>
> Yep, .. to build the list of packages I asked about.
>
>         TFTR!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 08:36:53 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:36:53 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCSsMtfOJ6tkW6HaJvoRu0jdehPDAPDNFeWFTnZ6RY_4g@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq