From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:17:19 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:17:19 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDtL1UwhG-xNY=BRd=1hOhkjvog27bJRDamQmRW5aX4aA@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Just about anything else is BYOB (No
alcohol). There will be a couple medium pizzas, and a jar
for contributing to pizza purchase. (The money for the pizza is coming
out of Mike's pocket.)

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When we have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 12:21:30 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:21:30 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] No Friday After Five tonight.
Message-ID: <CA+czFiBDdxvuwjEw9MwNuN4ZUdE5sKwXSTXM1LnBZx_yZwp3hw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies; both Kyle and I need to be elsewhere tonight.

-- 
:wq

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 13 20:15:42 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:15:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>

Looking to build a setup for collect temperature & power data in the lab,
.. but I can't seem to find ANY 'lab software' like some of the Windoze
systems I have seen.

Actual analog I/O is possible, of course, but there do not seem to be any
'workbench' tools for data depiction, graphing, etc. Anyone with this type
of experience?

	Happy Holidays!

	Lee

From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Sun Dec 14 17:14:10 2014
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (Scott)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Not sure if this helps, but we track temperature in our server room as part of our Nagios and Cacti installations. We have a stand-alone networked temperature sensor that supports SNMP, which we poll every 5 mins and alert if over a threshold. 

Likewise, you can access a servers temperature sensors through SNMP or use a script/SSH to pull in whatever values to cacti. 


Regards, 
Scott Tanner 

----- Original Message -----

From: "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> 
To: "Grand Rapids LUG" <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:15:42 PM 
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging 

Looking to build a setup for collect temperature & power data in the lab, 
.. but I can't seem to find ANY 'lab software' like some of the Windoze 
systems I have seen. 

Actual analog I/O is possible, of course, but there do not seem to be any 
'workbench' tools for data depiction, graphing, etc. Anyone with this type 
of experience? 

Happy Holidays! 

Lee 
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From ben.demott at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:24:31 2014
From: ben.demott at gmail.com (Ben DeMott)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:24:31 -0600
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CACbtCQ1cBwRmWdhFLgGm3i9uhQ-pLgP=ycKZwAMWD9PqFY=ZwA@mail.gmail.com>

matplotlib, pandas, numpy, ... with a tiny amount of scripting from any
source (including serial) you can plot data in real-time.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Plotting-real-time-data-from-Arduino-using-Python-/

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Scott <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Not sure if this helps, but we track temperature in our server room as
> part of our Nagios and Cacti installations.   We have a stand-alone
> networked temperature sensor that supports SNMP, which we poll every 5 mins
> and alert if over a threshold.
>
> Likewise, you can access a servers temperature sensors through SNMP or use
> a script/SSH to pull in whatever values to cacti.
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott Tanner
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net>
> *To: *"Grand Rapids LUG" <grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:15:42 PM
> *Subject: *[GRLUG] Data Logging
>
>
> Looking to build a setup for collect temperature & power data in the lab,
> .. but I can't seem to find ANY 'lab software' like some of the Windoze
> systems I have seen.
>
> Actual analog I/O is possible, of course, but there do not seem to be any
> 'workbench' tools for data depiction, graphing, etc. Anyone with this type
> of experience?
>
>         Happy Holidays!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 14 17:51:05 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:51:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412141649340.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Scott wrote:

> Not sure if this helps, but we track temperature in our server room as
> part of our Nagios and Cacti installations. We have a stand-alone
> networked temperature sensor that supports SNMP, which we poll every 5
> mins and alert if over a threshold.
>
Hi Scott!

Much simpler to monitor a room temperature with a Raspberry Pi/Nagios, ..
but in this case what I was looking for are multiple "point" temperatures
as on a motherboard in an enclosure.

I did find SciLab, which looks promising.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Sun Dec 14 18:48:05 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:48:05 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412141649340.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412141649340.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M7RZz-jwPjdKmsmb_BaQBFxQHFYByTY00pcF47HEJtsUQ@mail.gmail.com>

There are plugins for ganglia to monitor lmsensors....
On Dec 14, 2014 5:51 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Scott wrote:
>
> > Not sure if this helps, but we track temperature in our server room as
> > part of our Nagios and Cacti installations. We have a stand-alone
> > networked temperature sensor that supports SNMP, which we poll every 5
> > mins and alert if over a threshold.
> >
> Hi Scott!
>
> Much simpler to monitor a room temperature with a Raspberry Pi/Nagios, ..
> but in this case what I was looking for are multiple "point" temperatures
> as on a motherboard in an enclosure.
>
> I did find SciLab, which looks promising.
>
>         Thanks!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sun Dec 14 20:59:15 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:59:15 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1418608755.3675.38.camel@whitemice.org>

On Sat, 2014-12-13 at 19:15 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Looking to build a setup for collect temperature & power data in the lab,
> .. but I can't seem to find ANY 'lab software' like some of the Windoze
> systems I have seen.
> Actual analog I/O is possible, of course, but there do not seem to be any
> 'workbench' tools for data depiction, graphing, etc. Anyone with this type
> of experience?

This sounds like a 'standard' problem for RRD.

I use ZenOSS, which in turn uses RRD, to log and visualize this
information.


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sun Dec 14 21:00:34 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:00:34 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Data Logging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412141649340.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412131911230.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1636333817.7398056.1418595250675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412141649340.11840@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1418608834.3675.39.camel@whitemice.org>

On Sun, 2014-12-14 at 16:51 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Scott wrote:
> > Not sure if this helps, but we track temperature in our server room as
> > part of our Nagios and Cacti installations. We have a stand-alone
> > networked temperature sensor that supports SNMP, which we poll every 5
> > mins and alert if over a threshold.
> Much simpler to monitor a room temperature with a Raspberry Pi/Nagios, ..
> but in this case what I was looking for are multiple "point" temperatures
> as on a motherboard in an enclosure.
> I did find SciLab, which looks promising.

That kind of data would normally be collected by lm_sensors and fed to
RRD, possibly via SNMP or an agent.


From dave at brondsema.net  Tue Dec 16 17:15:17 2014
From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:15:17 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
Message-ID: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>

In Ubuntu I can't seem to get a standard mongod service to run.  I've installed
it according to http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/

Here's the various ways I've tried it

# not really supposed to do it this way, but shown for completeness
root at a3af49106645:~# /etc/init.d/mongod start
Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
utility, e.g. service mongod start

Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mongod


# self-contradictory message!
root at a3af49106645:~# service mongod start
Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
utility, e.g. service mongod start

Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mongod

# no output at all?!  Nothing in /var/log/upstart/ either
root at a3af49106645:~# start mongod
root at a3af49106645:~#


I am not familiar with Upstart... what am I missing?  I have tried with `apt-get
install mongodb-10gen` which gives older 2.4 releases as well as
`mongodb-org-server` which is current 2.6 series.  I've tried both Ubuntu 12.04
and 14.04 with same results.


-- 
Dave Brondsema : dave at brondsema.net
http://www.brondsema.net : personal
http://www.splike.com : programming
              <><

From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Dec 16 17:20:14 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:20:14 -0600
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
References: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
Message-ID: <201412162220.sBGMKRAM032022@Mail.omnitec.net>

At 16:15 12/16/2014, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>In Ubuntu I can't seem to get a standard mongod service to 
>run.  I've installed
>it according to 
>http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/

First, what shows up the system logs (or MongoDB logs)?

Next many DBs require initial setup (a la MySQL), .. have not used 
MongoDB myself but that would be a good place to look.

         Lee


From dave at brondsema.net  Tue Dec 16 17:40:35 2014
From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:40:35 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <201412162220.sBGMKRAM032022@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
 <201412162220.sBGMKRAM032022@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <5490B4E3.1080709@brondsema.net>

On 12/16/14 5:20 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> At 16:15 12/16/2014, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>> In Ubuntu I can't seem to get a standard mongod service to run.  I've installed
>> it according to
>> http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/
> 
> First, what shows up the system logs (or MongoDB logs)?
>

They're empty.


> Next many DBs require initial setup (a la MySQL), .. have not used MongoDB
> myself but that would be a good place to look.
> 

I'm running inside Docker and it looks like that is the issue.  They way docker
runs apparently isn't compatible with upstart and other services like you'd
expect in a full machine, so Docker evidently nullifies /sbin/initctl  Not sure
the proper way run mongo in docker yet, but at least I have a clue about what
I'm seeing now.



-- 
Dave Brondsema : dave at brondsema.net
http://www.brondsema.net : personal
http://www.splike.com : programming
              <><

From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:45:56 2014
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:45:56 -0800
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
References: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
Message-ID: <CAKFjdm5LvGH7wJ+p5J4DR1g1gg_z=kzHd=B13W__sv5CDE3AyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Dave Brondsema <dave at brondsema.net> wrote:
> In Ubuntu I can't seem to get a standard mongod service to run.  I've installed
> it according to http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/

Here are the commands I ran:

sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 7F0CEB10
echo 'deb http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/ubuntu-upstart dist
10gen' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mongodb.list
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install -y mongodb-org
sudo service mongod start

I also am unable to start mongo.  A look through the mongodb logs shows this:

# grep -A 5 -i error  /var/log/mongodb/mongod.log
2014-12-16T14:30:35.269-0800 [initandlisten] ERROR: Insufficient free
space for journal files
2014-12-16T14:30:35.269-0800 [initandlisten] Please make at least
3379MB available in /var/lib/mongodb/journal or use --smallfiles
2014-12-16T14:30:35.269-0800 [initandlisten]
2014-12-16T14:30:35.270-0800 [initandlisten] exception in
initAndListen: 15926 Insufficient free space for journals, terminating
2014-12-16T14:30:35.270-0800 [initandlisten] dbexit:
2014-12-16T14:30:35.270-0800 [initandlisten] shutdown: going to close
listening sockets...

So I expanded my /var/ volume and tried again:

# lvextend -L +5000M -r /dev/systemvg/varlv
# netstat  -plnt | grep mongo
tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:27017         0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN      2465/mongod

# echo 'show dbs' | mongo
MongoDB shell version: 2.6.6
connecting to: test
admin  (empty)
local  0.078GB
bye

Regards,
- Robert

From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Dec 16 17:46:40 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:46:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <5490B4E3.1080709@brondsema.net>
References: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
 <201412162220.sBGMKRAM032022@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <5490B4E3.1080709@brondsema.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412161646040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Dave Brondsema wrote:

> I'm running inside Docker and it looks like that is the issue.  They way docker
> runs apparently isn't compatible with upstart and other services like you'd
> expect in a full machine, so Docker evidently nullifies /sbin/initctl  Not sure
> the proper way run mongo in docker yet, but at least I have a clue about what
> I'm seeing now.
>
Ahh, .. looks like you might need to turn up your Quack-Fu [using
duckduckgo]:

http://docs.docker.com/examples/mongodb/

	Lee

From roger.roelofs at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 21:12:32 2014
From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:12:32 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Can't get mongod service to work in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412161646040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <5490AEF5.7030302@brondsema.net>
 <201412162220.sBGMKRAM032022@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <5490B4E3.1080709@brondsema.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412161646040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAAqrsivKzyVD_DQ=GZ3F93Dk-o-qmvV2LD9YN2P7eEFU49u1PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mongo eats RAM like crazy. Running inside Docker will be slow because
Mongo  needs the entire working data set in RAM
On Dec 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>
> > I'm running inside Docker and it looks like that is the issue.  They way
> docker
> > runs apparently isn't compatible with upstart and other services like
> you'd
> > expect in a full machine, so Docker evidently nullifies /sbin/initctl
> Not sure
> > the proper way run mongo in docker yet, but at least I have a clue about
> what
> > I'm seeing now.
> >
> Ahh, .. looks like you might need to turn up your Quack-Fu [using
> duckduckgo]:
>
> http://docs.docker.com/examples/mongodb/
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From kyle at virtualinterconnect.com  Fri Dec 19 13:12:56 2014
From: kyle at virtualinterconnect.com (Kyle Maas)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:12:56 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Fridays After Five (Cancelled the 19th and 26th)
Message-ID: <54946AA8.10107@virtualinterconnect.com>


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Mike and I will not be able to make it either the 19th (today) or the
26th.  Have a Merry Christmas, and we'll see you in 2015!

Warm Regards,
Kyle Maas
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 27 14:26:04 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:26:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

Haven been useing different combinations of VNC and RDP for many years, ..
but it gets to be a headache configuring connecitons to disparate machines
(i.e. Linux -> Windoze).

Thinking about a new tablet for my Mom, but there does not seem to be any
good solution for Linux -> Android remote support.

Has anyone run across a good solution that works between all platforms
(i.e. Linux, Windoze, Android)? Have looked at TeamViewer, and it is a
pretty nice product, but $1500 is a little steep for family support.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sat Dec 27 14:33:33 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:33:33 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>

I use no machine (www.nomachine.com) for the desktop control and 
softether vpn (www.softether.org) for the vpn connection.

Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.

Softether vpn runs on linux, windows and mac os x.

Both are open source free ware.


On 12/27/2014 02:26 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Haven been useing different combinations of VNC and RDP for many years, ..
> but it gets to be a headache configuring connecitons to disparate machines
> (i.e. Linux -> Windoze).
>
> Thinking about a new tablet for my Mom, but there does not seem to be any
> good solution for Linux -> Android remote support.
>
> Has anyone run across a good solution that works between all platforms
> (i.e. Linux, Windoze, Android)? Have looked at TeamViewer, and it is a
> pretty nice product, but $1500 is a little steep for family support.
>
> 	Thanks!
>
> 	Lee
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>

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Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 27 14:45:19 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:45:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271344100.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> I use no machine (www.nomachine.com) for the desktop control and
> softether vpn (www.softether.org) for the vpn connection.
>
> Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.
>
Nomachine looks promising, .. however I can't see any mention of a
'repeater' [a la VNC] - how does one configure the central 'connection
point'?

> Softether vpn runs on linux, windows and mac os x.
>
> Both are open source freeware.
>
Thanks!!!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 27 15:27:45 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:27:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271425040.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> I use no machine (www.nomachine.com) for the desktop control and
> softether vpn (www.softether.org) for the vpn connection.
>
> Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.
>
> Both are open source free ware.
>
Did some digging on the NoMachines site, and it appears that they require
an "Enterprise Server" at $800 to actually USE NoMachine, .. doesn't seem
like freeware to me - what am I missing? How can one use NoMachine without
an "Enterprise Server" for a publically accessible connection point?

	Thanks!!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 27 15:31:20 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:31:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.
>
Interesting, .. I misread the price list - the abililty to use NoMachines
outside an internal environment (i.e. with a publically accessible
"repeater" - what appears to be an "Enterprise Server" for NoMachine) is
actually ***$3500***!!!

How would one actually use NoMachine for connections outside the local
network?

	Thanks!!

	Lee

From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sat Dec 27 16:19:58 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:19:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>

I use softether vpn (www.softether.org) to run a vpn server on a 
digitalocean vps.  I originally used my local server but as I added more 
connectinos it was easier to setup the vps.

You connect the host and remote computers to the softether vpn.  You get 
an  ip address from the vpn.

You then connect from the remote device nomachine software to the host 
device nomachine software using the vpn ip address of the host computer.

You can test a setup by installing nomachine on 2 computers in your 
local home network.

After you see how they connect then you can expand it with a vpn.

As you say this is for a home network then softether and nomachine are 
free to use.


On 12/27/2014 03:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:
>
>> Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.
>>
> Interesting, .. I misread the price list - the abililty to use NoMachines
> outside an internal environment (i.e. with a publically accessible
> "repeater" - what appears to be an "Enterprise Server" for NoMachine) is
> actually ***$3500***!!!
>
> How would one actually use NoMachine for connections outside the local
> network?
>
> 	Thanks!!
>
> 	Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>

-- 
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Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sat Dec 27 16:31:54 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:31:54 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <549F254A.8000007@upmerchants.com>


On 12/27/2014 04:19 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote:
> I use softether vpn (www.softether.org) to run a vpn server on a 
> digitalocean vps.  I originally used my local server but as I added 
> more connectinos it was easier to setup the vps.
>
> You connect the host and remote computers to the softether vpn. You 
> get an  ip address from the vpn.
>
> You then connect from the remote device nomachine software to the host 
> device nomachine software using the vpn ip address of the host computer.
>
> You can test a setup by installing nomachine on 2 computers in your 
> local home network.
>
> After you see how they connect then you can expand it with a vpn.
>
> As you say this is for a home network then softether and nomachine are 
> free to use.
>
>
Follow this tutorial for 2 computers on your local network.  After you 
do that then read / follow the remainder of the tutorial for accessing 
nomachine over the internet.


https://www.nomachine.com/getting-started-with-nomachine

-- 
Patrick Goupell

Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 27 21:02:03 2014
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:02:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1477646850.1118765.1419732123060.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

could you use a vpn?
?Joe

      From: L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net>
 To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 3:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
   
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Nomachine will support linux, windows, mac os x, android and ios.
>
Interesting, .. I misread the price list - the abililty to use NoMachines
outside an internal environment (i.e. with a publically accessible
"repeater" - what appears to be an "Enterprise Server" for NoMachine) is
actually ***$3500***!!!

How would one actually use NoMachine for connections outside the local
network?



??? Thanks!!

??? Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 28 00:37:38 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:37:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <1477646850.1118765.1419732123060.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1477646850.1118765.1419732123060.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272336360.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:

> could you use a vpn?
> ??Joe
>
Normally that would be a good choice, .. but most the remote machines are
relatives and friends, so that would not work very well.

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 28 00:41:58 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:41:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F254A.8000007@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com> <549F254A.8000007@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272340270.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Follow this tutorial for 2 computers on your local network.  After you
> do that then read / follow the remainder of the tutorial for accessing
> nomachine over the internet.
>
> https://www.nomachine.com/getting-started-with-nomachine
>
Thanks for the tip, but that does not work; there has to be a server or
repeater somewhere, as the remote machine is not publically accessible.

The only way to do that with NoMachine apparently is using the $3500
Enterprise Server, ..

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 28 00:43:51 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:43:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272342070.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> I use softether vpn (www.softether.org) to run a vpn server on a
> digitalocean vps.  I originally used my local server but as I added more
> connectinos it was easier to setup the vps.
>
That's a good suggestion, but too complicated - remote machines are
mostly family members; we setup a VNC repeater many years ago, but
performance isn't that great and it will not work cross platform.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sun Dec 28 08:46:59 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:46:59 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272342070.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272342070.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <54A009D3.2050202@upmerchants.com>


On 12/28/2014 12:43 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> That's a good suggestion, but too complicated - remote machines are
> mostly family members; we setup a VNC repeater many years ago, but
> performance isn't that great and it will not work cross platform.
>
>
Why is that too complicated?  You only do it once.  Are the devices to 
far away to do it?  You can run the softether vpn server on your home 
server.  I did that before movinng it to the vps.

I have a batch script I put on the desktop, one to "startvpn" and one to 
"stopvpn".  That works fine for my point and click users.

The only problem I see is for remote android and ios devices that is not 
supported by softether.  Does vnc run on them now?

Could you do everyone else on a vpn and leave the android, ios devices 
as they currently are?


-- 
Patrick Goupell

Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sun Dec 28 09:01:10 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:01:10 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <54A009D3.2050202@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272342070.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <54A009D3.2050202@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <54A00D26.6010408@upmerchants.com>


On 12/28/2014 08:46 AM, Patrick Goupell wrote:
>
> On 12/28/2014 12:43 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>>
>> That's a good suggestion, but too complicated - remote machines are
>> mostly family members; we setup a VNC repeater many years ago, but
>> performance isn't that great and it will not work cross platform.
>>
>>
> Why is that too complicated?  You only do it once.  Are the devices to 
> far away to do it?  You can run the softether vpn server on your home 
> server.  I did that before movinng it to the vps.
>
> I have a batch script I put on the desktop, one to "startvpn" and one 
> to "stopvpn".  That works fine for my point and click users.
>
> The only problem I see is for remote android and ios devices that is 
> not supported by softether.  Does vnc run on them now?
>
> Could you do everyone else on a vpn and leave the android, ios devices 
> as they currently are?
>
>
I you currently have vnc set up then you can just use that to remotely 
install the softether vpn cilent and nomachine  software.

After installed login to the device via nomachine and then uninstall the 
vnc software (or leave it for a while until you feel that the vpn / 
nomachine will work for you).



-- 
Patrick Goupell

Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From flanderb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 14:14:02 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:14:02 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] VNC Replacement
In-Reply-To: <54A00D26.6010408@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271323030.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F098D.7020307@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412271429350.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <549F227E.4080402@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1412272342070.18622@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <54A009D3.2050202@upmerchants.com> <54A00D26.6010408@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdZESqepL5wEvMZ2zspTQp+cLw_UBcYDjLC+cENQJuRP_=MXg@mail.gmail.com>

Just being pragmatic here but TeamViewer is free for personal support.   I
assume that this means friends and family and is to encourage familiarity
with the product so you are more likely to suggest it at work.

To be honest, I'd definitely suggest teamviewer at work, it works without
hassle 100%(so far) of the time.

Share and Enjoy <http://www.hhgproject.org/entries/shareandenjoy.html>
Ben

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com>
wrote:

>
> On 12/28/2014 08:46 AM, Patrick Goupell wrote:
>
>>
>> On 12/28/2014 12:43 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's a good suggestion, but too complicated - remote machines are
>>> mostly family members; we setup a VNC repeater many years ago, but
>>> performance isn't that great and it will not work cross platform.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Why is that too complicated?  You only do it once.  Are the devices to
>> far away to do it?  You can run the softether vpn server on your home
>> server.  I did that before movinng it to the vps.
>>
>> I have a batch script I put on the desktop, one to "startvpn" and one to
>> "stopvpn".  That works fine for my point and click users.
>>
>> The only problem I see is for remote android and ios devices that is not
>> supported by softether.  Does vnc run on them now?
>>
>> Could you do everyone else on a vpn and leave the android, ios devices as
>> they currently are?
>>
>>
>>  I you currently have vnc set up then you can just use that to remotely
> install the softether vpn cilent and nomachine  software.
>
> After installed login to the device via nomachine and then uninstall the
> vnc software (or leave it for a while until you feel that the vpn /
> nomachine will work for you).
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Goupell
>
> Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
> Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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