From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 15:04:46 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:04:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiAc8fDDKqgeXiU-2C0X=jcHJhYe7PrqM4cirJOAC7pVnw@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq

From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 14:43:19 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:43:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCDE7spqhAAtJwUStAo=gHWccuTdbTx9=Gp7aAbzvuOJg@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.


-- 
:wq

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 16 10:21:33 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:21:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of our users;
rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and restoring a file
is not something for a user.

Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Would have to be cross
platform, .. and also use our servers for storage.

	TIA!

	Lee

From brousch at gmail.com  Sat Aug 16 10:29:41 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:29:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>

Have you looked at CrashPlan? http://www.code42.com/crashplan/


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of our users;
> rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and restoring a file
> is not something for a user.
>
> Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Would have to be cross
> platform, .. and also use our servers for storage.
>
>         TIA!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 16 11:20:00 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:20:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGHhRWghTW4s5mYRwirpTJZv1QgTGq6xpfqm2r62B5M_=g@mail.gmail.com>

I've been wanting to try http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for a while.

It is currently under a rewrite, but I like the idea.

I used to be a Crashplan customer, and like it.  Especially for home use.
Like 14/mo for backup up 5 machines with unlimited storage.  Commercial use
costs more.

Crashplan is a java client if you have older machines.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you looked at CrashPlan? http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>
>> Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of our users;
>> rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and restoring a file
>> is not something for a user.
>>
>> Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Would have to be cross
>> platform, .. and also use our servers for storage.
>>
>>         TIA!
>>
>>         Lee
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 16 11:32:23 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:32:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Ben Rousch wrote:

> Have you looked at CrashPlan? http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
>
Would prefer not to use a commercial product, .. if we went that way,
StoreGrid/Vembu would be a more flexible choice.

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 16 11:36:12 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:36:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGHhRWghTW4s5mYRwirpTJZv1QgTGq6xpfqm2r62B5M_=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161034060.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:

> I've been wanting to try http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for a while.
>
> It is currently under a rewrite, but I like the idea.
>
Interesting possibility, but it appears to be a 'local only' solution for
Windoze machines (using SMB for data transfer), .. also NO current Windoze
support.

I guess one could build a Cygwin installation?

	Lee

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 16 12:31:41 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:31:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161034060.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <CAAuMJGEpOOvQS=+E2cGxB6JcBSbgbR0-VA48-fKRkYg3ZHOXfA@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't consider this for any type of cold iron or system state backup.

I would just use this for application level backups.

Not sure why Cygwin would be needed, the linux server would grab what files
were selected via smb.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

>
> Interesting possibility, but it appears to be a 'local only' solution for
> Windoze machines (using SMB for data transfer), .. also NO current Windoze
> support.
>
> I guess one could build a Cygwin installation?
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 16 12:36:32 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:36:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGEpOOvQS=+E2cGxB6JcBSbgbR0-VA48-fKRkYg3ZHOXfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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 <CAAuMJGHhRWghTW4s5mYRwirpTJZv1QgTGq6xpfqm2r62B5M_=g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161135400.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:

> Not sure why Cygwin would be needed, the linux server would grab what files
> were selected via smb.
>
For ssh, of course, .. how else would you get a connection to a remote
machine without SMB/CIFS?

	Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 16 12:38:48 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:38:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161135400.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, L. V. Lammert wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:
>
> > Not sure why Cygwin would be needed, the linux server would grab what files
> > were selected via smb.
> >
The other problem I saw is that it has not been tested with any newer
Windoze product than XP - a major showstopper. I don't like Windoze, and
will not get roped into debugging the crappy permission structure in Win7!

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sun Aug 17 17:43:50 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:43:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161137460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161137460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1408311830.1901.5.camel@linux-vojw.site>

On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 11:38 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Steve Romanow wrote:
> > > Not sure why Cygwin would be needed, the linux server would grab what files
> > > were selected via smb.
> The other problem I saw is that it has not been tested with any newer
> Windoze product than XP - a major showstopper. I don't like Windoze, and

If it is using Cygwin it doesn't much matter - the software runs on
Cygwin, it only sorta runs on Windows.  rsync works just fine on Windows
7.

If you just need to blast files off to somewhere you could use WinSCP.

> will not get roped into debugging the crappy permission structure in Win7!

Eh?  Windows 7 *fixed* a great deal of permissions/access issues;  it
just happened there is/was a great deal of [poorly written] software
that silently depended on things being broken.  That does not make
Windows 7 broken.


From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Aug 17 18:20:12 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:20:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <1408311830.1901.5.camel@linux-vojw.site>
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> If it is using Cygwin it doesn't much matter - the software runs on
> Cygwin, it only sorta runs on Windows.  rsync works just fine on Windows
> 7.
>
The point was to *avoid* installing a lot of tools, ..

> > will not get roped into debugging the crappy permission structure in Win7!
>
> Eh?  Windows 7 *fixed* a great deal of permissions/access issues;  it
> just happened there is/was a great deal of [poorly written] software
> that silently depended on things being broken.  That does not make
> Windows 7 broken.
>
Win7 is he only Windoze platform I have seen where rsync will not run due
to permissions, ..

	Lee

From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 21:29:31 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:29:31 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408171718380.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <AFC18D65-3D31-4F82-AF04-8D62FEB1E68D@gmail.com>

Would something like http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ work for you?

-tiberriver256

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 17, 2014, at 18:20, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> 
>> If it is using Cygwin it doesn't much matter - the software runs on
>> Cygwin, it only sorta runs on Windows.  rsync works just fine on Windows
>> 7.
>> 
> The point was to *avoid* installing a lot of tools, ..
> 
>>> will not get roped into debugging the crappy permission structure in Win7!
>> 
>> Eh?  Windows 7 *fixed* a great deal of permissions/access issues;  it
>> just happened there is/was a great deal of [poorly written] software
>> that silently depended on things being broken.  That does not make
>> Windows 7 broken.
>> 
> Win7 is he only Windoze platform I have seen where rsync will not run due
> to permissions, ..
> 
>    Lee
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Aug 18 10:20:14 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:20:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Gmail wrote:

> Would something like http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ work for you?
>
Neat product, but with the newest Windoze system support at XP, a
non-starter.

	Lee

From topher at codeventure.net  Mon Aug 18 13:45:05 2014
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:45:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
Message-ID: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>

Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3


From richardnienhuis at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:52:10 2014
From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:52:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>

Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>
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From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:54:23 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:54:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408180919540.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAuMJGHhRWghTW4s5mYRwirpTJZv1QgTGq6xpfqm2r62B5M_=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161034060.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAAuMJGEpOOvQS=+E2cGxB6JcBSbgbR0-VA48-fKRkYg3ZHOXfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161135400.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161137460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1408311830.1901.5.camel@linux-vojw.site>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408171718380.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <AFC18D65-3D31-4F82-AF04-8D62FEB1E68D@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408180919540.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Aw, sorry bout that. Thought it looked like you just needed an smbclient on
the end users system.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Gmail wrote:
>
> > Would something like http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ work for you?
> >
> Neat product, but with the newest Windoze system support at XP, a
> non-starter.
>
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Mon Aug 18 13:54:37 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:54:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <53F23DDD.9050600@upmerchants.com>

Have you  looked at bacula or bareos (bacula fork)?


On 08/16/2014 10:21 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of our users;
> rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and restoring a file
> is not something for a user.
>
> Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Would have to be cross
> platform, .. and also use our servers for storage.
>
> 	TIA!
>
> 	Lee
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From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:55:31 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:55:31 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>

Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <richardnienhuis at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>
>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>
>>
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>
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From topher at codeventure.net  Mon Aug 18 14:07:52 2014
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:07:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>

I don't follow.  Don't use the wireless in this modem?  Or don't buy a
wireless thing from Motorola?

On 08/18/2014 01:55 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
> Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis
> <richardnienhuis at gmail.com <mailto:richardnienhuis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>
>
>     On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net
>     <mailto:topher at codeventure.net>> wrote:
>
>         Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>
>         http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
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From brousch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:11:38 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:11:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
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I've never used a modem that wasn't provided by Comcast (or ATT). Can you
just plug this in and it works, or do you have to call Comcast and have
them twiddle some knobs?


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

>  I don't follow.  Don't use the wireless in this modem?  Or don't buy a
> wireless thing from Motorola?
>
>
> On 08/18/2014 01:55 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
>
> Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <
> richardnienhuis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>>
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From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:13:01 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:13:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
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Don't buy a SBG (has wireless built into the modem) any of the SB models
are just a straight cable modem and work great. Get your own wireless route
to hook into the modem. That one you linked to was a SB6121 (doesn't
include wireless functionality) and would work great.

I mean... that's just my suggestion. You can go with the built in wireless
if you want. Just after working for a year at Comcast had not heard many
good things from customers on the SBG line.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

>  I don't follow.  Don't use the wireless in this modem?  Or don't buy a
> wireless thing from Motorola?
>
>
> On 08/18/2014 01:55 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
>
> Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <
> richardnienhuis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>>
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From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:19:06 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:19:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC address
then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they can cap your
speed at the mbps you're paying for.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've never used a modem that wasn't provided by Comcast (or ATT). Can you
> just plug this in and it works, or do you have to call Comcast and have
> them twiddle some knobs?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>
>>  I don't follow.  Don't use the wireless in this modem?  Or don't buy a
>> wireless thing from Motorola?
>>
>>
>> On 08/18/2014 01:55 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
>>
>> Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <
>> richardnienhuis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>>>
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From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:20:08 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:20:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEKy2-x0BKND+DZcdw1t+XXS-w-k8W5GQNRAxtJPfCn-HtRzVg@mail.gmail.com>

or excuse me bootfile not firmware. Haven't been into comcast stuff for
awhile now so it's all starting to fade away


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Micah Rairdon <micah.rairdon at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC
> address then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they can
> cap your speed at the mbps you're paying for.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never used a modem that wasn't provided by Comcast (or ATT). Can you
>> just plug this in and it works, or do you have to call Comcast and have
>> them twiddle some knobs?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  I don't follow.  Don't use the wireless in this modem?  Or don't buy a
>>> wireless thing from Motorola?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/18/2014 01:55 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep those work pretty good. Just don't touch the wireless gateways.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <
>>> richardnienhuis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>>>>
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From grlug at darkhaven.net  Mon Aug 18 14:59:52 2014
From: grlug at darkhaven.net (Dan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:59:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53F24D28.6060800@darkhaven.net>

On 08/18/2014 02:19 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
> Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC
> address then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they
> can cap your speed at the mbps you're paying for.
>
No need to call and talk to their trained monkeys. Just plug in the new
modem and the captive portal will guide you through activating it yourself.


From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 15:00:57 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:00:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <53F24D28.6060800@darkhaven.net>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F24D28.6060800@darkhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEKy2-wG=_JvT2+rCZgr2Qb+d6D-q6NoUoD18LzYA42ZQw8VmQ@mail.gmail.com>

in theory :p


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dan Taylor <grlug at darkhaven.net> wrote:

> On 08/18/2014 02:19 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
> > Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC
> > address then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they
> > can cap your speed at the mbps you're paying for.
> >
> No need to call and talk to their trained monkeys. Just plug in the new
> modem and the captive portal will guide you through activating it yourself.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Micah Rairdon
Rairdon Computer Services
(307) 509-0736
micah.rairdon at gmail.com
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From roger.roelofs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 15:06:37 2014
From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:06:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAEKy2-wG=_JvT2+rCZgr2Qb+d6D-q6NoUoD18LzYA42ZQw8VmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F24D28.6060800@darkhaven.net>
 <CAEKy2-wG=_JvT2+rCZgr2Qb+d6D-q6NoUoD18LzYA42ZQw8VmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqrsiuGWrn=+s1BZvYgk6oqwANsMaVcryX7MbQgsjcb9BgvAw@mail.gmail.com>

If it's the same cable connector the portal will likely work fine.  I
just had a fun go-round where one access point in my house was
connected but had never been used.  The internet kind of worked but
the tv was a lost cause.  Tech support was very confused and made a
tech come out.  :-)

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Micah Rairdon <micah.rairdon at gmail.com> wrote:
> in theory :p
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dan Taylor <grlug at darkhaven.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/18/2014 02:19 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote:
>> > Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC
>> > address then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they
>> > can cap your speed at the mbps you're paying for.
>> >
>> No need to call and talk to their trained monkeys. Just plug in the new
>> modem and the captive portal will guide you through activating it
>> yourself.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> --
> Micah Rairdon
> Rairdon Computer Services
> (307) 509-0736
> micah.rairdon at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
Roger

Roger Roelofs
Know what you value.

From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Aug 18 15:40:00 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:40:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <53F23DDD.9050600@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <53F23DDD.9050600@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408181439040.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Have you  looked at bacula or bareos (bacula fork)?
>
Similar problem - no way to backup machines not on the internal network
without additional tools. Remember, with Windoze users, KISS rules.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From patrick at upmerchants.com  Mon Aug 18 16:07:20 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:07:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408181439040.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <53F23DDD.9050600@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408181439040.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <53F25CF8.10004@upmerchants.com>


On 08/18/2014 03:40 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> Similar problem - no way to backup machines not on the internal network
> without additional tools. Remember, with Windoze users, KISS rules.
>
>
Well then, it sounds like what you want is some spyware / malware to 
install and copy your data without anyone knowing about it.

Seriously though, is there a way to copy from a windows pc without 
installing somethign on it?

I know the bad guys do it.  BUt what about us good guys.  How do we do 
it safely?  We need something to talk to on the windows pc.

-- 
Patrick Goupell

Are you free?  Find out at http://www.sedm.org/
Income taxes?  Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com


From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Aug 18 16:16:14 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:16:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <53F25CF8.10004@upmerchants.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <53F23DDD.9050600@upmerchants.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408181439040.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <53F25CF8.10004@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408181514030.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Seriously though, is there a way to copy from a windows pc without
> installing somethign on it?
>
Never said that, .. only wish to minimze extra cruft to install and manage
- e.g. Requiring Cygwin to setup an ssh tunnel to connect to the remote
storage.

For remote management, Cygwin is fine - it's setup on all of our remote
Windoze servers. For *user* machines, however, it should not be required.

> I know the bad guys do it.  BUt what about us good guys.  How do we do
> it safely?  We need something to talk to on the windows pc.
>
That's what the application is supposed to do, .. have seen some good
examples, have to check them out.

	Lee

From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 11:32:19 2014
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:32:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAAqrsiuGWrn=+s1BZvYgk6oqwANsMaVcryX7MbQgsjcb9BgvAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAEKy2-zG2ZgX4we5jj-sXVB6DiHWagVpcs98v8Asn-EOQQ-g2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F240F8.8070702@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB0fe0dVQjhen4Ewaa+23Es8icTB0-XcPxyuNHN_=EPGHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEKy2-zgH3ivmti3Agyujr7fTbJjGBmvp=oq+JZCfm-h9aoDVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53F24D28.6060800@darkhaven.net>
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Message-ID: <57220532.5569575.1408462339582.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>

I have the Motorola SB6141 modem with Comcast Internet and the experience has not been pleasant. My download rates kept dropping to under 1Mb even though my upload rates stayed at 6Mb. My connection would drop every couple of days with a T3 timeout. I called Comcast numerous times; half of the time a reset signal would fix the issue, the other times they said the modem or router was the issue. Whenever they sent a tech out, everything would magically start working before they arrived. I picked up a modem from Comcast (Cisco based) just to troubleshoot the problem and its been working perfectly. I should put the Motorola back in and see if the problem returns, but that requires another call to Comcast to register the MAC address and I've been too lazy/busy to do it. 

Perhaps the modem I have is bad, or perhaps Comcast's support of the SB6141 is lacking (plenty of complaints on the Comcast forums). Either way, I would *hope* that a simple modem upgrade would be effortless but be prepared if its not. 

Regards, 
Scott 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Roger Roelofs" <roger.roelofs at gmail.com> 
To: "GRLUG" <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 3:06:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] modem 

If it's the same cable connector the portal will likely work fine. I 
just had a fun go-round where one access point in my house was 
connected but had never been used. The internet kind of worked but 
the tv was a lost cause. Tech support was very confused and made a 
tech come out. :-) 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Micah Rairdon <micah.rairdon at gmail.com> wrote: 
> in theory :p 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dan Taylor <grlug at darkhaven.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> On 08/18/2014 02:19 PM, Micah Rairdon wrote: 
>> > Gotta have Comcast twiddle the knobs. Call in and give them the MAC 
>> > address then the modem gets some modified version of firmware so they 
>> > can cap your speed at the mbps you're paying for. 
>> > 
>> No need to call and talk to their trained monkeys. Just plug in the new 
>> modem and the captive portal will guide you through activating it 
>> yourself. 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> grlug mailing list 
>> grlug at grlug.org 
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Micah Rairdon 
> Rairdon Computer Services 
> (307) 509-0736 
> micah.rairdon at gmail.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> grlug mailing list 
> grlug at grlug.org 
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug 



-- 
Roger 

Roger Roelofs 
Know what you value. 
_______________________________________________ 
grlug mailing list 
grlug at grlug.org 
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug 

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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 10:56:28 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:56:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiBAWfvCRaKCjsvxhGjTMwjMZ-=H5e98zNz85S_tOZ+dHQ@mail.gmail.com>

This week, after 5PM, you should be at BarcampGR.

That is all.

-- 
:wq

From uhawl1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 11:06:31 2014
From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:06:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
Message-ID: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>

GRLUG members,


I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a horrible car accident.? He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control and struck an overpass.


I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,? can help his family during this hard time. ? In the meantime, please keep those grieving in your thoughts and prayers.


Thanks,


Joshua Yuhas



?
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 11:08:20 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:08:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
References: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiC-v_Wo6a8bKaKXF8zcKfST00RYMC912NzgRynb4Xr-wg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> GRLUG members,
>
> I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a
> horrible car accident.  He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control and
> struck an overpass.
>
> I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,  can help his
> family during this hard time.   In the meantime, please keep those grieving
> in your thoughts and prayers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joshua Yuhas

He will be missed.

(BTW, the email you sent to both GRMakers and GRLUG made it through yesterday)


-- 
:wq

From topher at codeventure.net  Wed Aug 20 11:17:19 2014
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
References: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>

On 08/20/2014 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas wrote:
> GRLUG members,
>
> I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a
> horrible car accident.  He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control
> and struck an overpass.
>
> I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,  can
> help his family during this hard time.   In the meantime, please keep
> those grieving in your thoughts and prayers.
>
How can we find out how we can help his family?  Is there a fund raising
site or anything?

Topher


From casey at grlug.org  Wed Aug 20 11:20:06 2014
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:20:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
References: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
 <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZG8LuYoBen=QtV31k7Omsspc8eQMWrh2x_8bb+teMEY2g@mail.gmail.com>

I've reached out to his family and will share with the group once I have
the info.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> On 08/20/2014 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas wrote:
> > GRLUG members,
> >
> > I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a
> > horrible car accident.  He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control
> > and struck an overpass.
> >
> > I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,  can
> > help his family during this hard time.   In the meantime, please keep
> > those grieving in your thoughts and prayers.
> >
> How can we find out how we can help his family?  Is there a fund raising
> site or anything?
>
> Topher
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From uhawl1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 11:20:51 2014
From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
References: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <1408548050614.d682ef25@Nodemailer>

Nothing has been set up yet, Topher. ?Casey and Ben went over to his house and just missed his wife, but left a note offering any assistance we can give. ?I think we are just waiting on her assessment of need.




Thanks for the information Mike. ?I didn?t see it come through on any of my accounts, but got a ?waiting for moderation? dialog. ?I thought I would send this again just in case it didn?t get through.




Josh



?
Sent from Mailbox



On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net>, wrote:
On 08/20/2014 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas wrote:

> GRLUG members,

>

> I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a

> horrible car accident.  He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control

> and struck an overpass.

>

> I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,  can

> help his family during this hard time.   In the meantime, please keep

> those grieving in your thoughts and prayers.

>

How can we find out how we can help his family?  Is there a fund raising

site or anything?



Topher



_______________________________________________

grlug mailing list

grlug at grlug.org

http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Wed Aug 20 13:37:22 2014
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:37:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <1408548050614.d682ef25@Nodemailer>
References: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
 <1408548050614.d682ef25@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <20140820173722.GA27838@rondo.celtics>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 08:20:51AM -0700, Joshua Yuhas wrote:
> Nothing has been set up yet, Topher. ?Casey and Ben went over to his
> house and just missed his wife, but left a note offering any
> assistance we can give. ?I think we are just waiting on her assessment
> of need.
> 
> Thanks for the information Mike. ?I didn?t see it come through on any
> of my accounts, but got a ?waiting for moderation? dialog. ?I thought
> I would send this again just in case it didn?t get through.

I didn't get the other email. I heard about it on IRC, but haven't
received it.
-- 
john-thomas
------
The true civilization is where every man gives to every other every right
that he claims for himself.
Robert Green Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899)

From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 22:33:17 2014
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 02:33:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <1408548050614.d682ef25@Nodemailer>
References: <53F4BBFF.4040006@codeventure.net>
 <1408548050614.d682ef25@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <1376565877.7115844.1408588397625.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>

Very sad news.  I found the obituary on mlive, which includes the following: 


The family requests that memorial contributions be given to the Community Christian Reformed Church Building Fund. Condolences may be sent online at www.mkdfuneralhome.com 



Taken from-
http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?n=gregory-j-folkert&pid=172185674&fhid=4926



Regards,
Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Yuhas" <uhawl1 at gmail.com> 
To: "GRLUG" <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed... 

Nothing has been set up yet, Topher. Casey and Ben went over to his house and just missed his wife, but left a note offering any assistance we can give. I think we are just waiting on her assessment of need. 

Thanks for the information Mike. I didn?t see it come through on any of my accounts, but got a ?waiting for moderation? dialog. I thought I would send this again just in case it didn?t get through. 

Josh 


? Sent from Mailbox 

On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Topher < topher at codeventure.net >, wrote: 


On 08/20/2014 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas wrote: 

> GRLUG members, 

> 

> I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a 

> horrible car accident. He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control 

> and struck an overpass. 

> 

> I think it is important to think about how we, as a community, can 

> help his family during this hard time. In the meantime, please keep 

> those grieving in your thoughts and prayers. 

> 

How can we find out how we can help his family? Is there a fund raising 

site or anything? 



Topher 



_______________________________________________ 

grlug mailing list 

grlug at grlug.org 

http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug 




_______________________________________________ 
grlug mailing list 
grlug at grlug.org 
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug 


From eric at erichartwell.net  Wed Aug 20 23:51:33 2014
From: eric at erichartwell.net (Eric Hartwell)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:51:33 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
Message-ID: <676856.1330.bm@smtp213.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Sad news indeed. He will be missed.

On Aug 20, 2014 9:33 PM, scott.tanner at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Very sad news.? I found the obituary on mlive, which includes the following: 
>
> The family requests that memorial contributions be given to the Community Christian Reformed Church Building Fund. Condolences may be sent online at www.mkdfuneralhome.com 
>
> Taken from-
> http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?n=gregory-j-folkert&pid=172185674&fhid=4926
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Yuhas" <uhawl1 at gmail.com> 
> To: "GRLUG" <grlug at grlug.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20:51 AM 
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
>
> Nothing has been set up yet, Topher. Casey and Ben went over to his house and just missed his wife, but left a note offering any assistance we can give. I think we are just waiting on her assessment of need.
>
> Thanks for the information Mike. I didn?t see it come through on any of my accounts, but got a ?waiting for moderation? dialog. I thought I would send this again just in case it didn?t get through.
>
> Josh 
>
> ? Sent from Mailbox
>
> On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Topher < topher at codeventure.net >, wrote: 
>
> On 08/20/2014 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas wrote:
>
> > GRLUG members,
>
> >
>
> > I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a
>
> > horrible car accident. He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control
>
> > and struck an overpass.
>
> >
>
> > I think it is important to think about how we, as a community, can
>
> > help his family during this hard time. In the meantime, please keep
>
> > those grieving in your thoughts and prayers.
>
> >
>
> How can we find out how we can help his family? Is there a fund raising
>
> site or anything? 
>
> Topher 
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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>
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From topher at codeventure.net  Fri Aug 22 07:44:18 2014
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:44:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] computer available
Message-ID: <53F72D12.8000102@codeventure.net>

I have a desktop system that needs to be out of my wife's sight.

Single core, 2.4ghz
1G ram
120G drive

It also has an old TV card in it. It's not digital, so you'd need one of
those little converter boxes, but it works.

It currently dual boots XP and a very old version of Mint.  It has a
NIC, everything works fine.  We just outgrew it.

It also has a square flatscreen monitor that isn't very cool, but works
(and doesn't weigh 9000 lbs).  Wireless mouse and old school beige wired
keyboard go with it.

Most importantly, it has a floppy drive.

If you can afford to give me some cash for it that would be cool, but
I'd let it go for free.

Topher


From brousch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 08:13:47 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:13:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] computer available
In-Reply-To: <53F72D12.8000102@codeventure.net>
References: <53F72D12.8000102@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB20MQ+X8woM_aFGFe+gnuN3==pcc-kycEcVrm4o0PozdA@mail.gmail.com>

There's always CompRenew if no one wants it.


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> I have a desktop system that needs to be out of my wife's sight.
>
> Single core, 2.4ghz
> 1G ram
> 120G drive
>
> It also has an old TV card in it. It's not digital, so you'd need one of
> those little converter boxes, but it works.
>
> It currently dual boots XP and a very old version of Mint.  It has a
> NIC, everything works fine.  We just outgrew it.
>
> It also has a square flatscreen monitor that isn't very cool, but works
> (and doesn't weigh 9000 lbs).  Wireless mouse and old school beige wired
> keyboard go with it.
>
> Most importantly, it has a floppy drive.
>
> If you can afford to give me some cash for it that would be cool, but
> I'd let it go for free.
>
> Topher
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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From leapole at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 11:28:51 2014
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:28:51 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] computer available
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB20MQ+X8woM_aFGFe+gnuN3==pcc-kycEcVrm4o0PozdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F72D12.8000102@codeventure.net>
 <CAOPHfB20MQ+X8woM_aFGFe+gnuN3==pcc-kycEcVrm4o0PozdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DC93AA0-B218-41E4-8295-D376D8B6A0C2@gmail.com>

But it has a floppy drive...


Honestly some should have one,  older CNC mill and shop stuff uses floppies.

> On Aug 22, 2014, at 5:13 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There's always CompRenew if no one wants it.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>> I have a desktop system that needs to be out of my wife's sight.
>> 
>> Single core, 2.4ghz
>> 1G ram
>> 120G drive
>> 
>> It also has an old TV card in it. It's not digital, so you'd need one of
>> those little converter boxes, but it works.
>> 
>> It currently dual boots XP and a very old version of Mint.  It has a
>> NIC, everything works fine.  We just outgrew it.
>> 
>> It also has a square flatscreen monitor that isn't very cool, but works
>> (and doesn't weigh 9000 lbs).  Wireless mouse and old school beige wired
>> keyboard go with it.
>> 
>> Most importantly, it has a floppy drive.
>> 
>> If you can afford to give me some cash for it that would be cool, but
>> I'd let it go for free.
>> 
>> Topher
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
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From chouse at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 15:57:05 2014
From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:57:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAB6bZF9hN3jR+jEHctm1D__ytgRFnDfy+W-szozDc3N5ni-bfg@mail.gmail.com>

Crashplan is free for backing up "to a friend", I assume the connection
stays within the network if the "friend" is a local server.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:32 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Ben Rousch wrote:
>
> > Have you looked at CrashPlan? http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
> >
> Would prefer not to use a commercial product, .. if we went that way,
> StoreGrid/Vembu would be a more flexible choice.
>
>         Lee
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From chouse at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 15:58:37 2014
From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:58:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] modem
In-Reply-To: <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F23BA1.8020801@codeventure.net>
 <CAJd2Bx-Pwym5ba6F3XsJ6qSfGGg5WOVk5HTvOMHM8hmueKPM8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB6bZF_GXQ_L2wCf5nFwiwVxGCMOhHkyW19UkfnChAs-M2659w@mail.gmail.com>

Same here, works well on the 50-meg plan.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Richard Nienhuis <richardnienhuis at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Exact same one I have.  Works well and supports IPv6
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>
>> Opinions on docsis3 modems? I'm looking at this one:
>>
>>
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorola-surfboard-docsis-3-0-high-speed-cable-modem/2836657.p?id=1218357903729&skuId=2836657&st=cable%20modem&cp=1&lp=3
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From chouse at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 16:03:10 2014
From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:03:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A member of our community has passed...
In-Reply-To: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
References: <1408547190394.9910c7e1@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <CAB6bZF9aqGTWSL4C+cyMr_pVXLou7tOG5+VHsOePRxuWs9-SkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Very sad. When things like this happen to technical people, I wonder how do
the surviving members of the family deal with the digital footprint?

I need to put together a binder of everything my wife might need if I'm not
around, like household utility accounts, usernames, passwords, banking
accounts, list of automated bill payments, my personal online accounts,
commonly used passwords in case I didn't list a certain website, PIN
numbers, how to deal with the home network, etc.

Of course, putting all that information in one place just makes it
incredibly valuable to someone who wishes to do financial or identity
harm...

Has anyone thought of the best way to assemble this? "Get your shit
together" http://getyourshittogether.org/


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  GRLUG members,
>
> I am sad to announce that we lost Greg Folkert Monday night due to a
> horrible car accident.  He was travelling on M-6 when he lost control and
> struck an overpass.
>
> I think it is important to think about how we, as a community,  can help
> his family during this hard time.   In the meantime, please keep those
> grieving in your thoughts and prayers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joshua Yuhas
>
>
> ?
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
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From redheadedrodney at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 17:51:01 2014
From: redheadedrodney at gmail.com (Rodney)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:51:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Comprenew
Message-ID: <gwsaa3fq2oep0od466t2wpjp.1408830661208@email.android.com>

Comprenew used to give a donation slip so you could write it off you're taxes. ?They didn't do that a couple weeks ago at their ionia facility when I dropped off a couple old laptops and crt. ?I dropped off a bunch of Atari st computers I had laying around before they expanded beyond their ionia location and I was able to claim it as a donation at that time. ?Similar to how you donate to a thrift store. ?Do they still do that at other locations? I have a couple amd computers to get rid of and a couple of quad core intel boards I'd like to get rid of. ?Will be listing on Craigslist shortly. But would like to find a place I could get rid of them if i can and have some value returned. ??


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From philip.robar at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 18:07:04 2014
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip Robar)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:07:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Comprenew
In-Reply-To: <gwsaa3fq2oep0od466t2wpjp.1408830661208@email.android.com>
References: <gwsaa3fq2oep0od466t2wpjp.1408830661208@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAOi9mG+JdQi2V4UCDg40hJF+cJjB29y0CmyzFYD9+PJpeJWwNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Most GoodWill locations partner with Dell to act as an electronics
recycling site. They'll of course give you a donation slip.

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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Sat Aug 23 21:30:13 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:30:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
Message-ID: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>

I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.

I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?

If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
to change the boot order in BIOS.




From justin.denick at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 21:34:21 2014
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:34:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <CAB6bZF9hN3jR+jEHctm1D__ytgRFnDfy+W-szozDc3N5ni-bfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <6B10B8C7-5E90-4B26-95A0-21CBDB3969F3@gmail.com>

I use bacula to pull data from windows and Linux machines onto lto3 with an hp tape drive. 

The job storage/management is all done in Postgres via bconsole, the admin interface. It's written in Python. Initially, used a MySQL database and I switched over with a simple script provided by bacula. Other engines are probably supported too. 

I've restored from these data sets more than once. While slow, due to not specifying exactly which files to restore, the task was effortless and worked perfectly. 

Bacula might offer the widest array of storage media compatibility. I've used plain disks, DVD, quantum travan, and the LTO3 media I'm using now. 

There is still no easy way around the Microsoft live/open file backup.  I just do a little didy with dos, but a more elaborate solution could be easily achieved. 

It's free, stable and a great backup tool for the folks who vim they're way through life. 

-j


--

Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Christopher House <chouse at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Crashplan is free for backing up "to a friend", I assume the connection stays within the network if the "friend" is a local server.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:32 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Ben Rousch wrote:
>> 
>> > Have you looked at CrashPlan? http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
>> >
>> Would prefer not to use a commercial product, .. if we went that way,
>> StoreGrid/Vembu would be a more flexible choice.
>> 
>>         Lee
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
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From justin.denick at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 21:39:39 2014
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:39:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>

Slax will start anything. But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2 hid's 

How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?

If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on the board. 

-j


--

Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> 
> I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
> sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
> 
> I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
> VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
> the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
> 
> If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
> check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
> vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
> to change the boot order in BIOS.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 23 21:41:01 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:41:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <6B10B8C7-5E90-4B26-95A0-21CBDB3969F3@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232040200.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014, Justin Denick wrote:

> I use bacula to pull data from windows and Linux machines onto lto3 with an hp tape drive.
>
Yes, .. pretty nice! Unfortunately not anything I would use for 'clients'.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From justin.denick at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 21:57:33 2014
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:57:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232040200.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAB6bZF9hN3jR+jEHctm1D__ytgRFnDfy+W-szozDc3N5ni-bfg@mail.gmail.com>
 <6B10B8C7-5E90-4B26-95A0-21CBDB3969F3@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BC497E50-7BD4-4A0C-9AFC-D73370545766@gmail.com>

The message reads 'user' machines. 

But tell us why we should not use this for 'clients'.

-j


--

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Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:41 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014, Justin Denick wrote:
>> 
>> I use bacula to pull data from windows and Linux machines onto lto3 with an hp tape drive.
> Yes, .. pretty nice! Unfortunately not anything I would use for 'clients'.
> 
>    TFTR!
> 
>    Lee
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Sat Aug 23 22:03:07 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:03:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>
References: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
 <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1408845787.22614.5.camel@ericscomputer>

On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 21:39 -0400, Justin Denick wrote:
> Slax will start anything.

Regardless of BIOS boot order settings?

> But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2 hid's 
('hid's'?)
> 
> How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?
I did get two beeps during POST, HDD sounds like it's working, and there
was a light on the keyboard, don't remember if it was the numlock. So
maybe the ps/2 adapters are ok. Would the flatscreen monitor rather than
CRT cause a problem?

> 
> If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on the board. 

If it comes to that I'll just pull the HDD and figure a different way to
test it and wipe it if necessary.
> 
> -j
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Right to Life of Michigan
> Director of Information Services
> 616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
> 
> 
> > On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
> > sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
> > 
> > I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
> > VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
> > the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
> > 
> > If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
> > check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
> > vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
> > to change the boot order in BIOS.
> > 
> > 
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From jdenick at rtl.org  Sat Aug 23 22:14:16 2014
From: jdenick at rtl.org (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:14:16 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <1408845787.22614.5.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
 <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>
 <1408845787.22614.5.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <BC31CB8F-56AE-4769-9445-8E2CE9491755@rtl.org>

If the LCD has a VGA port, it shouldn't matter. But if the video driver is very basic and the LCD is very high end, you could justify trying an older LCD or a snap in PCI just to see. 

If the numlock key is responsive and the network/hd lights are working, you can be sure the box is on and probably working. 

HID is a stupid acronym for human interface device. 

I think ps is peripheral serial, but I'm wrong more often than not. 


-j


--

Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


> On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 21:39 -0400, Justin Denick wrote:
>> Slax will start anything.
> 
> Regardless of BIOS boot order settings?
> 
>> But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2 hid's
> ('hid's'?)
>> 
>> How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?
> I did get two beeps during POST, HDD sounds like it's working, and there
> was a light on the keyboard, don't remember if it was the numlock. So
> maybe the ps/2 adapters are ok. Would the flatscreen monitor rather than
> CRT cause a problem?
> 
>> 
>> If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on the board.
> 
> If it comes to that I'll just pull the HDD and figure a different way to
> test it and wipe it if necessary.
>> 
>> -j
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Right to Life of Michigan
>> Director of Information Services
>> 616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
>>> sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
>>> 
>>> I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
>>> VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
>>> the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
>>> 
>>> If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
>>> check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
>>> vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
>>> to change the boot order in BIOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> grlug at grlug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Aug 23 22:22:37 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:22:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] your mail
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232120190.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On -1 xxx -1, it was written:

> The message reads 'user' machines.
>
> But tell us why we should not use this for 'clients'.
>
User machines are "clients", not "servers", right?


	Lee

From jdenick at rtl.org  Sat Aug 23 22:54:17 2014
From: jdenick at rtl.org (Justin Denick)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:54:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] your mail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232120190.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232120190.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <154C864A-DBA8-4452-BD42-5A58331787C7@rtl.org>

Yeah, that's what I call a machine if it loads an os or any portion of it from a server. That should probably include user settings if this is about a primary domain controller. Given the OPs context that's not likely the case. But in such case, bacula would be a great way to keep backups of important user data. It's software compression can be configured to minimize space a computational waste. 

Right now, I'm using an email client and it only requires settings. Here the only necessary backup would be for POP mail or maybe an address book. The former problem is easily solved by using IMAP and then making sure you're using bacula to backup user mail and spam settings. Teach them how to backup their address books by encouraging them to move it to the cloud. 

There are also web/chat/tweet/like/+/in clients which only require a connection to their respective services. These aren't machines but the soft stuff deployed by the service. That doesn't seem to match the client criteria either. 

The bacula file daemon is a client. It talks to the bacula director. The bacula director, in turn talks to the bacula storage daemon. 
In this case, there is a quasi-client-server relationship between the user machine and the backup storage. 

So yeah, it seems clients talk to servers. Knowing this neither clarifies your reference to client nor your contention that bacula, a free open source software, is not something you would use for your 'clients'? 

These points notwithstanding, I may have misinterpreted the OP. If its obvious that the user machine is a client, than I would hope you'll agree that a specific level of knowledge regarding the alleged client-server relationship would be required to know the most efficient method for backups. 

This might dually explain why bacula isn't something you'd use. A two-fer-one combo. 




-j


--

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Director of Information Services
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> On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:22 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
> On -1 xxx -1, it was written:
> 
>> The message reads 'user' machines.
>> 
>> But tell us why we should not use this for 'clients'.
>> 
> User machines are "clients", not "servers", right?
> 
> 
>    Lee
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From mfarver at mindbent.org  Sat Aug 23 23:45:57 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:45:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <BC31CB8F-56AE-4769-9445-8E2CE9491755@rtl.org>
References: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
 <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>
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USB to PS/2 adapters will only work if the USB device supports emulating a
ps2 device.  Unless the adapter came with the device it probably won't work.
On Aug 23, 2014 10:14 PM, "Justin Denick" <jdenick at rtl.org> wrote:

> If the LCD has a VGA port, it shouldn't matter. But if the video driver is
> very basic and the LCD is very high end, you could justify trying an older
> LCD or a snap in PCI just to see.
>
> If the numlock key is responsive and the network/hd lights are working,
> you can be sure the box is on and probably working.
>
> HID is a stupid acronym for human interface device.
>
> I think ps is peripheral serial, but I'm wrong more often than not.
>
>
> -j
>
>
> --
>
> Right to Life of Michigan
>
> Director of Information Services
> 616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
>
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Eric Beversluis <
> ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 21:39 -0400, Justin Denick wrote:
>
> Slax will start anything.
>
>
> Regardless of BIOS boot order settings?
>
> But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2 hid's
>
> ('hid's'?)
>
>
> How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?
>
> I did get two beeps during POST, HDD sounds like it's working, and there
> was a light on the keyboard, don't remember if it was the numlock. So
> maybe the ps/2 adapters are ok. Would the flatscreen monitor rather than
> CRT cause a problem?
>
>
> If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on the board.
>
>
> If it comes to that I'll just pull the HDD and figure a different way to
> test it and wipe it if necessary.
>
>
> -j
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Right to Life of Michigan
>
> Director of Information Services
>
> 616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis <
> ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
>
> I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
>
> sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
>
>
> I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
>
> VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
>
> the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
>
>
> If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
>
> check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
>
> vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
>
> to change the boot order in BIOS.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> grlug mailing list
>
> grlug at grlug.org
>
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 14:00:33 2014
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:00:33 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <CACNU6M5O5AvLurJdV1bvqhsG=tJbE5XXEgx1v6Wevn2BXCX4BA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1408843813.19680.9.camel@ericscomputer>
 <164D9435-9233-473C-8455-DD25B966EEBD@gmail.com>
 <1408845787.22614.5.camel@ericscomputer>
 <BC31CB8F-56AE-4769-9445-8E2CE9491755@rtl.org>
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Message-ID: <1408903233.40294.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Did you need to borrow ps2 mouse and keyboard?

?



On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:46 PM, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org> wrote:
 


USB to PS/2 adapters will only work if the USB device supports emulating a ps2 device.? Unless the adapter came with the device it probably won't work.
On Aug 23, 2014 10:14 PM, "Justin Denick" <jdenick at rtl.org> wrote:

If the LCD has a VGA port, it shouldn't matter. But if the video driver is very basic and the LCD is very high end, you could justify trying an older LCD or a snap in PCI just to see.?
>
>
>If the numlock key is responsive and the network/hd lights are working, you can be sure the box is on and probably working.?
>
>
>HID is a stupid acronym for human interface device.?
>
>
>I think ps is peripheral serial, but I'm wrong more often than not.?
>
>
>
>
>-j
>
>
>--
>Right to Life of Michigan
>Director of Information Services
>616.446.6492?/?jdenick at rtl.org
>
>On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
>
>On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 21:39 -0400, Justin Denick wrote:
>>
>>Slax will start anything.
>>>
>>Regardless of BIOS boot order settings?
>>
>>
>>But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2 hid's 
>>>('hid's'?)
>>
>>
>>>
>>How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?
>>>I did get two beeps during POST, HDD sounds like it's working, and there
>>was a light on the keyboard, don't remember if it was the numlock. So
>>maybe the ps/2 adapters are ok. Would the flatscreen monitor rather than
>>CRT cause a problem?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on the board. 
>>>
>>If it comes to that I'll just pull the HDD and figure a different way to
>>test it and wipe it if necessary.
>>
>>
>>>
>>-j
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>--
>>>
>>
>>>
>>Right to Life of Michigan
>>>
>>Director of Information Services
>>>
>>616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up (after it has
>>>>
>>sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and keyboard and a
>>>>
>>VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work or could
>>>>
>>the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the HDD and
>>>>
>>check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
>>>>
>>vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't get in
>>>>
>>to change the boot order in BIOS.
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Sun Aug 24 14:58:50 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Will adapters do the job?
In-Reply-To: <1408903233.40294.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Thanks. I reconnected everything and now it's working nicely, USB2ps/2 
adapters and all. Probably just didn't have everything quite right the 
first time. It's got Fedora Core 4 on it. So I'm messing with it a bit 
before decommissioning. Gnome and Fedora were significantly more simple 
and straightforward in those days--tho it did take more geekness to 
operate them.

A shame to junk it--seems to work well yet. But I'm thinking anything I 
wanted to do on it I could do on a raspberry pi and use a small fraction 
of the electricity. So I'll probably give it to Good Will or recycle.

Thanks for the replies.

On 08/24/2014 02:00 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
> Did you need to borrow ps2 mouse and keyboard?
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:46 PM, Mark Farver 
> <mfarver at mindbent.org> wrote:
>
>
> USB to PS/2 adapters will only work if the USB device supports 
> emulating a ps2 device.  Unless the adapter came with the device it 
> probably won't work.
> On Aug 23, 2014 10:14 PM, "Justin Denick" <jdenick at rtl.org 
> <mailto:jdenick at rtl.org>> wrote:
>
>     If the LCD has a VGA port, it shouldn't matter. But if the video
>     driver is very basic and the LCD is very high end, you could
>     justify trying an older LCD or a snap in PCI just to see.
>
>     If the numlock key is responsive and the network/hd lights are
>     working, you can be sure the box is on and probably working.
>
>     HID is a stupid acronym for human interface device.
>
>     I think ps is peripheral serial, but I'm wrong more often than not.
>
>
>     -j
>
>     --
>     Right to Life of Michigan
>     Director of Information Services
>     616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org <mailto:jdenick at rtl.org>
>
>     On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Eric Beversluis
>     <ebever at researchintegration.org
>     <mailto:ebever at researchintegration.org>> wrote:
>
>>     On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 21:39 -0400, Justin Denick wrote:
>>>     Slax will start anything.
>>
>>     Regardless of BIOS boot order settings?
>>
>>>     But I do recall some optiplexes being picky about not using ps2
>>>     hid's
>>     ('hid's'?)
>>>
>>>     How much nothing do you get--BIOS, POST, noise, numlock?
>>     I did get two beeps during POST, HDD sounds like it's working,
>>     and there
>>     was a light on the keyboard, don't remember if it was the numlock. So
>>     maybe the ps/2 adapters are ok. Would the flatscreen monitor
>>     rather than
>>     CRT cause a problem?
>>
>>>
>>>     If it's sat for too long you may need to replace the battery on
>>>     the board.
>>
>>     If it comes to that I'll just pull the HDD and figure a different
>>     way to
>>     test it and wipe it if necessary.
>>>
>>>     -j
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     Right to Life of Michigan
>>>     Director of Information Services
>>>     616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org <mailto:jdenick at rtl.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>>     On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Eric Beversluis
>>>>     <ebever at researchintegration.org
>>>>     <mailto:ebever at researchintegration.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     I've got an old Dell Optiplex GS110 I'm trying to start up
>>>>     (after it has
>>>>     sat for many years) to check what's on the HDD before scrapping it.
>>>>
>>>>     I tried using USB-to-PS/2 adapters for the USB mouse and
>>>>     keyboard and a
>>>>     VGA flatscreen monitor and got nothing. Should that setup work
>>>>     or could
>>>>     the adapters or the flatscreen monitor be the problem?
>>>>
>>>>     If that setup won't work, I'll probably just have to pull the
>>>>     HDD and
>>>>     check it out on a Linux box. I'm guessing that a computer of that
>>>>     vintage won't boot from a live CD or USB, especially if I can't
>>>>     get in
>>>>     to change the boot order in BIOS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     grlug mailing list
>>>>     grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>>>>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From leapole at gmail.com  Sun Aug 24 21:53:46 2014
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:53:46 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
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Sounds like the best thing to do is write a script to zip/encrypt whatever files then upload them with FTP/email or something.  Then figure out you rev's server side for space considerations.

It's one file that you install..  Schedule it with at


Or a simple scp could work
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

A binary plus a script...  Two files on the clients machine with an at schedule.

So why Cygwin for all this?

Looks like they got a full featured ssh tool set for windows and we all have a copy of putty already I would think.

I know this is not a packaged solution.  I also know this will not allow you to pass blame when it fails, so prolly typing this for no reason...


Josh


> On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Justin Denick <justin.denick at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The message reads 'user' machines. 
> 
> But tell us why we should not use this for 'clients'.
> 
> -j
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Right to Life of Michigan
> Director of Information Services
> 616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:41 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014, Justin Denick wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use bacula to pull data from windows and Linux machines onto lto3 with an hp tape drive.
>> Yes, .. pretty nice! Unfortunately not anything I would use for 'clients'.
>> 
>>    TFTR!
>> 
>>    Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Aug 24 22:01:08 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:01:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <E433F248-A87C-4F9D-BE88-F015E0AD4421@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <6B10B8C7-5E90-4B26-95A0-21CBDB3969F3@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232040200.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408242100100.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014, Josh wrote:

> Sounds like the best thing to do is write a script to zip/encrypt
> whatever files then upload them with FTP/email or something.  Then
> figure out you rev's server side for space considerations.
>
Wow, .. that's the most complicated suggestion yet <g>!

Before I did that, I'd install always Sync.

	TFTR!

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From justin.denick at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 06:26:59 2014
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:26:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408242100100.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
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Message-ID: <A0B6DA8B-57CE-4F38-BBE8-D85A558FD618@gmail.com>

Twice now folks have reached out to help and twice you've balked at their suggestion. 

If you don't agree with a suggestion, tell us why. 

If you haven't already, go read a fucking manual. 

-j



?
?

> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:01 PM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014, Josh wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like the best thing to do is write a script to zip/encrypt
>> whatever files then upload them with FTP/email or something.  Then
>> figure out you rev's server side for space considerations.
> Wow, .. that's the most complicated suggestion yet <g>!
> 
> Before I did that, I'd install always Sync.
> 
>    TFTR!
> 
>    Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Aug 25 09:30:38 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:30:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Backup of user machines
In-Reply-To: <A0B6DA8B-57CE-4F38-BBE8-D85A558FD618@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408160912470.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB0BbhX5CZ92x6n0mub0qN4OaUQLCqMvvSHddhYrStB83g@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161031460.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAB6bZF9hN3jR+jEHctm1D__ytgRFnDfy+W-szozDc3N5ni-bfg@mail.gmail.com>
 <6B10B8C7-5E90-4B26-95A0-21CBDB3969F3@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408232040200.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <BC497E50-7BD4-4A0C-9AFC-D73370545766@gmail.com>
 <E433F248-A87C-4F9D-BE88-F015E0AD4421@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408250829350.21637@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Justin Denick wrote:

> Twice now folks have reached out to help and twice you've balked at their suggestion.
>
I have responded nicely to suggestions, even though it was obvious that
the poster either didn't read, or didn't care about the objectives posted.

> If you haven't already, go read a fucking manual.
>
It would be more appropriate for you to read the OP.

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From rbwhite18 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 16:01:38 2014
From: rbwhite18 at gmail.com (Brandon White)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:01:38 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] from: Brandon White
Message-ID: <BF9F9C05-075E-4A3B-A988-CF4BCB0C4559@lizellabaptist.com>




Good morning


http://eventteam.cn/close.php?rxprfy3100fxbksha

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From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:01:02 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:01:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiAExiuU=q=Y0Ucjjm4Scg-mW_rppc0yhMig=zyvRUXfFg@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself serve as anchors; at
least one of us will be here during the event.

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Commute: Parking is on the south side of the building, and The #6 bus
route runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come close. Nearest
stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq

From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 16:51:40 2014
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:51:40 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] new pc build
Message-ID: <1409086300.73113.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I am looking for a program to help me decide what parts to buy to build an 8 core amd machine.
step one select cpu
then mother board or?
video card....

kind of like the old dell web site?

I am planning on building android apps for my own use.
The last time I tried on my laptop (last year) (I think it is still trying to load)!

thoughts are
cpu speed of 5
video card that supports 3 monitors (or more)
one for program, one for emulator, one for web...
a ssd boot drive
a larger spinner for whatever
more than 8 gig of ram?

Cost is a factor, but not the only one!


Birth day in 2 months and wife agrees to purchase!
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From grlug at darkhaven.net  Tue Aug 26 18:16:56 2014
From: grlug at darkhaven.net (Dan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:16:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] new pc build
In-Reply-To: <1409086300.73113.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1409086300.73113.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53FD0758.7040806@darkhaven.net>

http://pcpartpicker.com/

or try the buildapc subreddit for advice/resources:

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc


On 08/26/2014 04:51 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
> I am looking for a program to help me decide what parts to buy to
> build an 8 core amd machine.
> step one select cpu
> then mother board or 
> video card....
>
> kind of like the old dell web site?
>
> I am planning on building android apps for my own use.
> The last time I tried on my laptop (last year) (I think it is still
> trying to load)!
>
> thoughts are
> cpu speed of 5
> video card that supports 3 monitors (or more)
> one for program, one for emulator, one for web...
> a ssd boot drive
> a larger spinner for whatever
> more than 8 gig of ram?
>
> Cost is a factor, but not the only one!
>
>
> Birth day in 2 months and wife agrees to purchase!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:04:45 2014
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:04:45 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
Message-ID: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Short Story:
My AP's are having issues handing out IP's with DHCP. I am in no way a
networking wizard and could use help diagnosing.

Long Story:
I installed two ubiquity AP's in the office last month.  I started off
really liking it, it was cheap, the range was better than the old routers I
had, and the controller was nice to work with.

We have a small office with few wireless clients (around 10) and for a few
weeks everything was hunky dory.  Then people started coming back from
vacation and I started having issues.

It seemed that when I get above 9 clients the last clients won't get ip
addresses.  Sometimes I can get 13 with valid ip addresses.  Even clients
with valid leases don't get ip addresses if I reset the AP and that client
is one of the last to try getting an ip.  It isn't consistent, in that
sometimes a client connects but then loses it and sometimes a client don't
connect but then half hour later it will connect.

I've been working with Ubiquiti (they don't seem all that knowledgeable)
and last week they remoted in and we tried a bunch of different settings
and even pulling the AP from one side of the office to right next to the
other and we couldn't get above 13 clients.

One weird thing that happened during testing is that we had a device that
had an ip address then lost it (according to the controller), but the
device still had a valid ip address when I looked at the ip settings, so it
didn't know it had lost the ip address.  With this device I was able to
ping our erp server and other ip addresses but I wasn't able to ping the
DHCP server, then about 5 minutes later it couldn't ping anything.

They said it looks like an issue with the DHCP server and suggested
increasing the address space.  My IP lease range isn't full, but I could
still increase the pool by about 70 addresses, which I did.  Right now when
I look at the controller I have 17 clients and only 1 doesn't have a valid
ip address, but about half hour ago I had 18 clients and 3 not getting an
ip address. So it got better, but still not right.

According to the Ubiquiti forums it seems that others have this issue and
there isn't a fix in the forums.

Some more info:
My lease pool is 192.168.0.12-200 I have 97 open ip address I could hand
out.
My DHCP server is windows 2008 rc2
The Windows 2008 rc2 is a client on VMware
The Ubiquiti controller is installed on the same windows server.
The network consists of cisco switches.
Wired devices have no issue getting ip addresses

So my questions:
Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?
Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the same
server as the DHCP server?  - I could start up a linux server on VMWare and
put the controller on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just thought of
this)
I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a
windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if you
all think windows is the issue.
Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?

Share and Enjoy
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From brousch at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:14:21 2014
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:14:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB1-5BcnQhHUz73SO9dfLaQ_DSihP27i+r3xUk8wMNAXYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> So my questions:
> Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?
> Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the same
> server as the DHCP server?  - I could start up a linux server on VMWare and
> put the controller on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just thought of
> this)
> I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a
> windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if you
> all think windows is the issue.
> Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?
>

I have not run into these issues, but I'm using Linux (Untangle,
specifically) for DHCP, and I don't think I've ever had more than 10
wireless devices connected.

The local Windows group I recommend is the West Michigan Small Business
Technology Group (WMSBTUG). They do like Ubiquiti, so they may have some
advice. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wmntug/info

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
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From richardnienhuis at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:22:33 2014
From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:22:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB1-5BcnQhHUz73SO9dfLaQ_DSihP27i+r3xUk8wMNAXYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1-5BcnQhHUz73SO9dfLaQ_DSihP27i+r3xUk8wMNAXYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJd2Bx-s6gngS9bhbydYejQeFMQZTPXDqSHe4hXM2NJpZXL43Q@mail.gmail.com>

Is the VM large enough to support 2008 and have you applied any of the dhcp
hotfixes?


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> So my questions:
>>  Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?
>> Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the
>> same server as the DHCP server?  - I could start up a linux server on
>> VMWare and put the controller on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just
>> thought of this)
>> I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a
>> windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if you
>> all think windows is the issue.
>> Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?
>>
>
> I have not run into these issues, but I'm using Linux (Untangle,
> specifically) for DHCP, and I don't think I've ever had more than 10
> wireless devices connected.
>
> The local Windows group I recommend is the West Michigan Small Business
> Technology Group (WMSBTUG). They do like Ubiquiti, so they may have some
> advice. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wmntug/info
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
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From jdenick at rtl.org  Thu Aug 28 13:22:54 2014
From: jdenick at rtl.org (Justin Denick)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:22:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C63DAA5D-4A17-4247-8938-7E3E72366F0E@rtl.org>

Hey Ben, sorry to hear about your woes. 

Given that it works sometimes, I'm lead to believe that things are ok on the hardware side. Though, I've not used ubiquity. Can you post the windows dhcp server config or equivalent? Just the portion concerning the available pools and which machines it will talk to. 

Also, what can you say about the machines that fail? Are they getting the 172. zero conf or something else. Can a non-working machine be given ip settings manually or by using a wired connection?


-j


Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services

616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org

?
?

> On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Short Story:
> My AP's are having issues handing out IP's with DHCP. I am in no way a networking wizard and could use help diagnosing.
> 
> Long Story:
> I installed two ubiquity AP's in the office last month.  I started off really liking it, it was cheap, the range was better than the old routers I had, and the controller was nice to work with.
> 
> We have a small office with few wireless clients (around 10) and for a few weeks everything was hunky dory.  Then people started coming back from vacation and I started having issues.
> 
> It seemed that when I get above 9 clients the last clients won't get ip addresses.  Sometimes I can get 13 with valid ip addresses.  Even clients with valid leases don't get ip addresses if I reset the AP and that client is one of the last to try getting an ip.  It isn't consistent, in that sometimes a client connects but then loses it and sometimes a client don't connect but then half hour later it will connect. 
> 
> I've been working with Ubiquiti (they don't seem all that knowledgeable) and last week they remoted in and we tried a bunch of different settings and even pulling the AP from one side of the office to right next to the other and we couldn't get above 13 clients.  
> 
> One weird thing that happened during testing is that we had a device that had an ip address then lost it (according to the controller), but the device still had a valid ip address when I looked at the ip settings, so it didn't know it had lost the ip address.  With this device I was able to ping our erp server and other ip addresses but I wasn't able to ping the DHCP server, then about 5 minutes later it couldn't ping anything.
> 
> They said it looks like an issue with the DHCP server and suggested increasing the address space.  My IP lease range isn't full, but I could still increase the pool by about 70 addresses, which I did.  Right now when I look at the controller I have 17 clients and only 1 doesn't have a valid ip address, but about half hour ago I had 18 clients and 3 not getting an ip address. So it got better, but still not right.
> 
> According to the Ubiquiti forums it seems that others have this issue and there isn't a fix in the forums.
> 
> Some more info:
> My lease pool is 192.168.0.12-200 I have 97 open ip address I could hand out.
> My DHCP server is windows 2008 rc2
> The Windows 2008 rc2 is a client on VMware
> The Ubiquiti controller is installed on the same windows server.
> The network consists of cisco switches.
> Wired devices have no issue getting ip addresses
> 
> So my questions:
> Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?
> Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the same server as the DHCP server?  - I could start up a linux server on VMWare and put the controller on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just thought of this)
> I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if you all think windows is the issue.
> Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?
> 
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug 28 13:36:28 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:36:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1409247388.2206.3.camel@whitemice.org>

On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 13:04 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote: 
> So my questions:
> Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?

Not "normal" DHCP, but I have only ever [and hope to only ever] use
ISC's DHCP server - what is packaged with every LINUX distribution ever.

> Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the
> same server as the DHCP server?

No clue.

>   - I could start up a linux server on VMWare and put the controller
> on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just thought of this)

Good plan.

> I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a
> windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if
> you all think windows is the issue.

Can you wireshark the attempt to acquire a lease?

> Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?

They could be, but not likely, unless you have setup some filtering,
etc.. 
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


From geektoyz at gmail.com  Sat Aug 30 11:05:22 2014
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:05:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ubiquiti issues
In-Reply-To: <1409247388.2206.3.camel@whitemice.org>
References: <CAJdZESpbs=PwrewSpm4M1LwSOZx0HHCMXf6TX2qbWGRCC52MiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1409247388.2206.3.camel@whitemice.org>
Message-ID: <CAO0okVx0B2RDGQCkGSrqaYT4gWE1XBAfSVx05pCwXtz_H8kgOw@mail.gmail.com>

I'd setup a dhcp server on a separate Linux vm for testing.  I too have the
Controller on a Windows server, but dhcp is on a Linux server.
Three APs managed (one local, two over VPN link) with multiple ssid's
including a local guest (vlan) one with voucher needed.  It's a beautiful
thing.  :)  You can 'tail - f' the dhcp log and see if the requests are
forwarded by the APs.

G-
 On Aug 28, 2014 1:41 PM, "Adam Tauno Williams" <awilliam at whitemice.org>
wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 13:04 -0400, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
> > So my questions:
> > Does DHCP need a certain % of open addresses in the pool?
>
> Not "normal" DHCP, but I have only ever [and hope to only ever] use
> ISC's DHCP server - what is packaged with every LINUX distribution ever.
>
> > Could it perhaps be an issue of having the Ubiquiti Controller on the
> > same server as the DHCP server?
>
> No clue.
>
> >   - I could start up a linux server on VMWare and put the controller
> > on that.  I'm doing this right now(I just thought of this)
>
> Good plan.
>
> > I understand that this is the Linux Group and this could possibly be a
> > windows DHCP issue so is there a local windows group I could go to if
> > you all think windows is the issue.
>
> Can you wireshark the attempt to acquire a lease?
>
> > Could the Cisco switches be filtering or interfering somehow?
>
> They could be, but not likely, unless you have setup some filtering,
> etc..
> --
> Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam at whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383
> Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA
>
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sun Aug 31 10:54:52 2014
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:54:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Volunteer / nominal fee programmer available.
Message-ID: <5403373C.5060700@upmerchants.com>

I hope this post isn't out of line.


I have been programming computers since 1976, on large ibm mainframes 
(MVS) to stand alone pcs (dos, linux, windows).

For the past several years I have been taking care of my now 96 year old 
mother.  So I am pretty much home bound with free time.

I am wiling to volunteer some programming time for short term, 
interesting projects.  Short term  being from a few days to a few weeks.

If you could use some programming help, I could use something to help 
keep me occupied.

Send me an email if you would like more information.

-- 
Patrick Goupell

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