From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Apr  4 15:05:57 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:05:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>

Can't seem to quack anything onpoint, .. is there a way to forward the
outgoing queue to a different server (they were queued with the wrong
servername)?

	Lee

From jdenick at rtl.org  Fri Apr  4 15:52:23 2014
From: jdenick at rtl.org (Justin Denick)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 15:52:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>

That?s a pretty sweet question!

I think if you set up a fallback relay (e.g. to the proper host) in master.cf  Postfix should happily forward it on.
Is it modern Postfix install > 2.10ish




--
Justin Denick
Right to Life of Michigan
Director of Information Services
616.446.6492 / jdenick at rtl.org


On Apr 4, 2014, at 3:05 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> Can't seem to quack anything onpoint, .. is there a way to forward the
> outgoing queue to a different server (they were queued with the wrong
> servername)?
> 
> 	Lee
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Apr  4 15:39:16 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:39:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
In-Reply-To: <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041438430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Justin Denick wrote:

> That?s a pretty sweet question!
>
> I think if you set up a fallback relay (e.g. to the proper host) in
> master.cf  Postfix should happily forward it on.
> Is it modern Postfix install > 2.10ish
>
Won't work - they were originally sent to the wrong email server (external
vs. internal), just checking to see if there were a way to 'redirect'
them.

	Lee

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Fri Apr  4 16:16:56 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:16:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041438430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041438430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M7u3Y3faX4D0P6tYAmi+1an8yC6YDq+UZPoAzLTV9F1Ng@mail.gmail.com>

You can either edit the messages in the queue, typically using some
command line fu and postcat, or you can dummy up DNS temporarily to
make the "wrong" address look right.

Also if you requeue messages in postfix they get run thru the rules
again, So if you can make a rule that will send the messages to the
right place that will work as well.



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Justin Denick wrote:
>
>> That's a pretty sweet question!
>>
>> I think if you set up a fallback relay (e.g. to the proper host) in
>> master.cf  Postfix should happily forward it on.
>> Is it modern Postfix install > 2.10ish
>>
> Won't work - they were originally sent to the wrong email server (external
> vs. internal), just checking to see if there were a way to 'redirect'
> them.
>
>         Lee
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Apr  4 15:59:39 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:59:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
In-Reply-To: <CACNU6M7u3Y3faX4D0P6tYAmi+1an8yC6YDq+UZPoAzLTV9F1Ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041438430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACNU6M7u3Y3faX4D0P6tYAmi+1an8yC6YDq+UZPoAzLTV9F1Ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041459000.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Mark Farver wrote:

> You can either edit the messages in the queue, typically using some
> command line fu and postcat, or you can dummy up DNS temporarily to
> make the "wrong" address look right.
>
Good suggestion - have not tried, should it use hosts? Do not have control
over the DNS servers, unfortunately.

	Lee

From mfarver at mindbent.org  Fri Apr  4 16:47:12 2014
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:47:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Forward Postfix queue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041459000.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041404430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <AB664271-EF85-485B-A06B-D474F9EF46C0@rtl.org>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041438430.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACNU6M7u3Y3faX4D0P6tYAmi+1an8yC6YDq+UZPoAzLTV9F1Ng@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404041459000.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACNU6M7a3ohxNRhQ2P6LeCJsfq1b8bc3qmuEwqeS8UCMmQA8Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Change the hosts file.

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Mark Farver wrote:
>
>> You can either edit the messages in the queue, typically using some
>> command line fu and postcat, or you can dummy up DNS temporarily to
>> make the "wrong" address look right.
>>
> Good suggestion - have not tried, should it use hosts? Do not have control
> over the DNS servers, unfortunately.
>
>         Lee
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 14:19:01 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 14:19:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiA2or9kbiwmBqaPc_0thNCcHBOryKhh_4ps9xR3ha3pRQ@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are going to start hosting the Grand
Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself will
serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event.

You have no obligation to show up. If you show up, there's no
obligation to show up again. There's no obligation to show up for the
entire time. (It seems weird that I have to say this this way, but
it's always been a recurring set of questions, so...)

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Parking: Parking lot on the south side of the building.

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Bus routes: The #6 runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come
close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

H/T Adam Williams for the event name.

-- 
:wq

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Fri Apr 11 11:47:32 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:47:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
Message-ID: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>

If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
account.

How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
saved password.

??


From spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 11 12:15:38 2014
From: spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com (scott woods)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:15:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <BLU173-W3211CEC53F8B7F2DA1789CC3540@phx.gbl>

In Windows it is such that the temporary folder still holds caches of cookie information. To close off of the browser and do run - %temp% brings up the temp folder, ctrl A - Del all files clears these up, as would internet settings delete all data cookies etc. If anyone would like to state the Linux option for doing so please do.

> From: ebever at researchintegration.org
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:47:32 -0400
> Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
> 
> If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
> and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
> account.
> 
> How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
> know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
> which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
> saved password.
> 
> ??
> 
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From topher at codeventure.net  Fri Apr 11 12:17:59 2014
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:17:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
Message-ID: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>

It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons I use Flashblock.

There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and addons that let you clean it out.

Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:

>If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
>and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
>account.
>
>How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
>know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
>which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
>saved password.
>
>??
>
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From megadave at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 12:23:40 2014
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:23:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
References: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>

"internet history" is your computers record of which sites you've visited

"cookies" are what sites use to recognize if you are a repeat visitor.

If you want to appear to be a new user to a site, its cookies you need to
clear.


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons I use
> Flashblock.
>
> There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and addons that
> let you clean it out.
>
>
> Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
> If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
> and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
> account.
>
> How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
> know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
> which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
> saved password.
>
> ??
>
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From matt at zigg.com  Fri Apr 11 12:26:48 2014
From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <44D94457-D52B-4DC5-B292-2A9DCE10ABEC@zigg.com>

On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:

> If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
> and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
> account.
> 
> How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
> know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
> which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
> saved password.

Firefox also maintains saved passwords (and asks you if you want to save them when you type them in.)

Check Preferences ? Security ? Saved Passwords.

If this is the case, Amazon probably doesn?t know your name and saved password, until you?ve submitted the form.

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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Fri Apr 11 12:28:54 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:28:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
 <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>

IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
cookies as well when the information shows up.

On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:23 -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote:
> "internet history" is your computers record of which sites you've
> visited
> 
> 
> "cookies" are what sites use to recognize if you are a repeat visitor.
> 
> 
> If you want to appear to be a new user to a site, its cookies you need
> to clear.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net>
> wrote:
>         It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons
>         I use Flashblock.
>         
>         
>         There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and
>         addons that let you clean it out.
>         
>         
>         Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>         
>         If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows
>         my name
>         and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign
>         into my
>         account.
>         
>         How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they
>         somehow
>         know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open
>         Chrome, from
>         which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have
>         my name and
>         saved password.
>         
>         ??
>         
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From megadave at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 12:50:28 2014
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:50:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
 <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <CAFP7keshUGdj=_KRUhFBuivLdEojMTtjV59DhCytCgEqE5=sZg@mail.gmail.com>

That seems odd. I don't use FF, so I can't say for sure, but in chrome the
two are separate. It does have "clear browsing data", which has checkmarks
to choose which datasets to clear (cache, cookies, history, etc)





On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Eric Beversluis <
ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:

> IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
> cookies as well when the information shows up.
>
> On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:23 -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote:
> > "internet history" is your computers record of which sites you've
> > visited
> >
> >
> > "cookies" are what sites use to recognize if you are a repeat visitor.
> >
> >
> > If you want to appear to be a new user to a site, its cookies you need
> > to clear.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net>
> > wrote:
> >         It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons
> >         I use Flashblock.
> >
> >
> >         There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and
> >         addons that let you clean it out.
> >
> >
> >         Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> >
> >         If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows
> >         my name
> >         and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign
> >         into my
> >         account.
> >
> >         How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they
> >         somehow
> >         know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open
> >         Chrome, from
> >         which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have
> >         my name and
> >         saved password.
> >
> >         ??
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         grlug mailing list
> >         grlug at grlug.org
> >         http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Fri Apr 11 12:34:57 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:34:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <44D94457-D52B-4DC5-B292-2A9DCE10ABEC@zigg.com>
References: <1397231252.2113.3.camel@ericscomputer>
 <44D94457-D52B-4DC5-B292-2A9DCE10ABEC@zigg.com>
Message-ID: <1397234097.2113.7.camel@ericscomputer>

On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:26 -0400, Matt Behrens wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Eric Beversluis
> <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> 
> > If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my
> > name
> > and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
> > account.
> > 
> > How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they
> > somehow
> > know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome,
> > from
> > which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name
> > and
> > saved password.
> 
> Firefox also maintains saved passwords (and asks you if you want to
> save them when you type them in.)
> 
> 
> Check Preferences ? Security ? Saved Passwords.
> 
> 
> If this is the case, Amazon probably doesn?t know your name and saved
> password, until you?ve submitted the form.

This is interesting: in the saved passwords was one for Amazon.com, but
it had a different user-name (not my email, which Amazon uses) and a
different password. But when I removed it, the info no longer showed up
in the logon form for Amazon. 

So, aside from the anonoly I mentioned, Matt's answer seems correct.

Thanks.



From micah.rairdon at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 13:54:55 2014
From: micah.rairdon at gmail.com (Micah Rairdon)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:54:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] grlug Digest, Vol 97, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2245.1397235036.2980.grlug@grlug.org>
References: <mailman.2245.1397235036.2980.grlug@grlug.org>
Message-ID: <CAEKy2-yfmqNa58LzG98yx7tzUbuvKcxyH0yo+SxC1uUfipx03Q@mail.gmail.com>

Check your password manager. It's not cleared with the form data when
removing history.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-change-passwords


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> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:48 -0400
> From: Matt Behrens <matt at zigg.com>
> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
>         <grlug at grlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
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> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Eric Beversluis <
> ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
> > If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows my name
> > and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign into my
> > account.
> >
> > How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they somehow
> > know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open Chrome, from
> > which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have my name and
> > saved password.
>
> Firefox also maintains saved passwords (and asks you if you want to save
> them when you type them in.)
>
> Check Preferences ? Security ? Saved Passwords.
>
> If this is the case, Amazon probably doesn?t know your name and saved
> password, until you?ve submitted the form.
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> From: Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org>
> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
>         <grlug at grlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
> Message-ID: <1397233734.2113.4.camel at ericscomputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
> cookies as well when the information shows up.
>
> On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:23 -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote:
> > "internet history" is your computers record of which sites you've
> > visited
> >
> >
> > "cookies" are what sites use to recognize if you are a repeat visitor.
> >
> >
> > If you want to appear to be a new user to a site, its cookies you need
> > to clear.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net>
> > wrote:
> >         It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons
> >         I use Flashblock.
> >
> >
> >         There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and
> >         addons that let you clean it out.
> >
> >
> >         Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> >
> >         If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows
> >         my name
> >         and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign
> >         into my
> >         account.
> >
> >         How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they
> >         somehow
> >         know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open
> >         Chrome, from
> >         which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have
> >         my name and
> >         saved password.
> >
> >         ??
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:50:28 -0400
> From: Dave Chiodo <megadave at gmail.com>
> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
>         <grlug at grlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
> Message-ID:
>         <CAFP7keshUGdj=_KRUhFBuivLdEojMTtjV59DhCytCgEqE5=
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>
> That seems odd. I don't use FF, so I can't say for sure, but in chrome the
> two are separate. It does have "clear browsing data", which has checkmarks
> to choose which datasets to clear (cache, cookies, history, etc)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Eric Beversluis <
> ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
>
> > IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
> > cookies as well when the information shows up.
> >
> > On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:23 -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote:
> > > "internet history" is your computers record of which sites you've
> > > visited
> > >
> > >
> > > "cookies" are what sites use to recognize if you are a repeat visitor.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want to appear to be a new user to a site, its cookies you need
> > > to clear.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >         It can also be held in Flash cache.  That's on of the reasons
> > >         I use Flashblock.
> > >
> > >
> > >         There are web sites that will show you your flash cache, and
> > >         addons that let you clean it out.
> > >
> > >
> > >         Eric Beversluis <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >         If I delete my entire history from Firefox, Amazon still knows
> > >         my name
> > >         and saved password when I go to amazon.com and click to sign
> > >         into my
> > >         account.
> > >
> > >         How does it do that if I've deleted my entire history? Do they
> > >         somehow
> > >         know the MAC address of the box I'm using? But if I open
> > >         Chrome, from
> > >         which I've never signed into Amazon, it doesn't already have
> > >         my name and
> > >         saved password.
> > >
> > >         ??
> > >
> > >         _______________________________________________
> > >         grlug mailing list
> > >         grlug at grlug.org
> > >         http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > >
> > >
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From pilotplantpirate at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 15:07:38 2014
From: pilotplantpirate at gmail.com (Jonathon Klobucar)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:07:38 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] Heartbleed information
Message-ID: <CAC+gzteg9ugZzuBE6P7Ode6wwWRW9EnQjk+pyBawLaY6cUFyqQ@mail.gmail.com>

I recently made a hopefully informative site regarding heartbleed and what
is affected with a friend of mine. It may be helpful for sysadmins who need
to inform users about heartbleed.

https://cardiac-surgery.github.io

Also, contributions are very welcome, especially in the list section.

Thanks!
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Apr 11 15:48:08 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:48:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>
References: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
 <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404111447440.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, Eric Beversluis wrote:

> IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
> cookies as well when the information shows up.
>
If privacy is a concern, why are you not using Firefox in Private Browsing
Mode?

	Lee

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 16:21:52 2014
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:21:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Friday After Five
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiA2or9kbiwmBqaPc_0thNCcHBOryKhh_4ps9xR3ha3pRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+czFiA2or9kbiwmBqaPc_0thNCcHBOryKhh_4ps9xR3ha3pRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGH1NryQyLoxxzz0ia=GkibLG-14OtVNGkwB4C3zQAssAA@mail.gmail.com>

Not going to make this week, but I hope to be at next week!

TTYL,

Steve


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> We here at Virtual Interconnect are going to start hosting the Grand
> Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself will
> serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event.
>
> You have no obligation to show up. If you show up, there's no
> obligation to show up again. There's no obligation to show up for the
> entire time. (It seems weird that I have to say this this way, but
> it's always been a recurring set of questions, so...)
>
> Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week
>
> Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
> handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
> http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO
>
> Parking: Parking lot on the south side of the building.
>
> Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
> although something else may be arranged for in the future.
>
> Bus routes: The #6 runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come
> close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY
>
> Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
> doorbell if it's shut.
>
> Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
> restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.
>
> H/T Adam Williams for the event name.
>
> --
> :wq
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Apr 11 19:30:58 2014
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:30:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Heartbleed information
In-Reply-To: <CAC+gzteg9ugZzuBE6P7Ode6wwWRW9EnQjk+pyBawLaY6cUFyqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC+gzteg9ugZzuBE6P7Ode6wwWRW9EnQjk+pyBawLaY6cUFyqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1397259058.5056.0.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net>

On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 12:07 -0700, Jonathon Klobucar wrote:
> I recently made a hopefully informative site regarding heartbleed and
> what is affected with a friend of mine. It may be helpful for
> sysadmins who need to inform users about heartbleed.
> 
> 
> https://cardiac-surgery.github.io
> 
> 
> Also, contributions are very welcome, especially in the list section.
> 
> 
> Thanks!
You da-mahn, mahn. I've pointed a few people to it after you posted it
on IRC.

Thanks!
-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
"There are as many opinions as there are experts."
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Fri Apr 11 23:12:46 2014
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:12:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] amazon and firefox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404111447440.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <g698kj75rafpf2hk5fv96cqx.1397233079330@email.android.com>
 <CAFP7kesbSek3yk6Cup2p0x27WNir4yDfjG07x8nYM+EMt-TFiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1397233734.2113.4.camel@ericscomputer>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404111447440.20698@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1397272366.2526.2.camel@ericscomputer>

My concern was the Amazon apparently knew me as soon as I clicked to
sign in. That's why I cleard all history--to see where they got that
from. Turns out it was the password saving function and not some "double
secret" info squirreled away somewhere by Amazon.

On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 14:48 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> 
> > IN Firefox "Clear all history" includes cookies. So I've removed all
> > cookies as well when the information shows up.
> >
> If privacy is a concern, why are you not using Firefox in Private Browsing
> Mode?
> 
> 	Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From mikemol at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 10:51:25 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiAzWbtpAiTv=h3sP6h8rzVKjA9Gg3VNzEwrrowHeWNwxg@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are going to start hosting the Grand
Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself will
serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event.

You have no obligation to show up. If you show up, there's no
obligation to show up again. There's no obligation to show up for the
entire time. (It seems weird that I have to say this this way, but
it's always been a recurring set of questions, so...)

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Parking: Parking lot on the south side of the building.

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Bus routes: The #6 runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come
close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.


-- 
:wq

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 16:00:29 2014
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:00:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] NewBee
In-Reply-To: <ACFB245B926C4C91B157C2163245271D@User1HP>
References: <ACFB245B926C4C91B157C2163245271D@User1HP>
Message-ID: <CAO0okVz2mA4CRe9uV4h=+YHF37172E2GBKp0uZ-wAENHi6i5FA@mail.gmail.com>

Absolutely Ken.  We have a great bunch guys and gals with quite a range of
experience.  Sign up to the list and post questions or stop by a meeting on
Fridays.

Cheers,
G-
 On Apr 21, 2014 3:56 PM, "Ken Stager" <kstager at dimoco.com> wrote:

>   I have recently aquired a Dell 530s computer with Mint 12 on it. Is
> your group a good place to get some tips on getting the Verizon hotspot
> (3G) to work on it? My wife gets on Facebook and plays their games and I am
> tired of fighting the viruses. Also, with the demise of XP, the computer
> she is currently using would need to be replaced to "upgrade" . Sick of it.
>  I am a do-it-yourselfer and would really like to learn what it takes to
> get this thing up and running.
>
> Ken Stager
> Dimoco
> 616-957-2511
> 616-293-4163 (cell)
> Ken Stager
> Dimoco
> 616-957-2511
> 616-293-4163 (cell)
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 17:00:42 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:00:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCsZMX+T9FwGYH7AwZpz534pkBEFdbnfXQodmWDbzanWQ@mail.gmail.com>

(I should just set up a cron job to send this, shouldn't I?)

We here at Virtual Interconnect are going to start hosting the Grand
Rapids Linux User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself will
serve as anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event.

You have no obligation to show up. If you show up, there's no
obligation to show up again. There's no obligation to show up for the
entire time. (It seems weird that I have to say this this way, but
it's always been a recurring set of questions, so...)

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Parking: Parking lot on the south side of the building.

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Bus routes: The #6 runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come
close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq

From john at wesorick.com  Wed Apr 23 12:37:08 2014
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:37:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba/LDAP Help
Message-ID: <CACrkP+HkZ1Fn79-crD8pPv6EoO_ddH6D+H+niffWgdWFCX4pYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the process of upgrading some older servers, and I'm kind of stuck
on what I want to do with our file-sharing and authentication servers. We
currently use OpenLDAP and use it for authentication all over the place
with ~35 desktops and ~30 servers. We have 2 Macs, 3 Windows servers and 5
Windows desktops (used for a specific function, not desktop users) which
are currently treated as second-class citizens and only have local users
(i.e. no LDAP authentication), which I'm fine with keeping that way, unless
it's easy to allow them to do central authentication. Everything else is
Ubuntu. We also use Samba (3.x) just for file-sharing, using the OpenLDAP
as a backend for authentication.

Now, I prefer to use SMB/CIFS, since we do have a mix of OSs, but Samba 4
doesn't seem to support using an external LDAP authentication server
anymore and although it can work as an Active Directory server, it seems
like it's really focused on the Windows side for whatever reason, and from
what I have been able to research still seems a little flaky.

I'm not exactly tied to OpenLDAP. I am fairly comfortable with it, but I
wouldn't say I love it. I was exploring maybe using 389 Directory Server,
or Samba 4. If it were necessary, it wouldn't be a huge deal to rebuild our
domains by hand, and just make everyone use a new password.

What are you guys using in your production environments, and what would you
suggest for a secure file-server (are there options beside Samba, I
couldn't find any) and authentication server combo? Does anyone have
experience using Samba 4 in a mostly Linux environment?

Thanks,
John
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Apr 23 12:59:29 2014
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:59:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba/LDAP Help
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+HkZ1Fn79-crD8pPv6EoO_ddH6D+H+niffWgdWFCX4pYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACrkP+HkZ1Fn79-crD8pPv6EoO_ddH6D+H+niffWgdWFCX4pYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1398272369.5459.1.camel@linux-vojw.site>


> Now, I prefer to use SMB/CIFS, since we do have a mix of OSs, but
> Samba 4 doesn't seem to support using an external LDAP authentication

Correct,  Samba4 replaces an external DSA.

> server anymore and although it can work as an Active Directory server,
> it seems like it's really focused on the Windows side for whatever
> reason, and from what I have been able to research still seems a
> little flaky.

I don't find anything "flaky" about Samba4.  There is a script to
upgrade you existing RFC2307+S3 NT4 domain to a Samba4 AD domain.

> What are you guys using in your production environments, and what
> would you suggest for a secure file-server (are there options beside
> Samba, I couldn't find any) and authentication server combo? 

We use Samba 4.

> Does anyone have experience using Samba 4 in a mostly Linux
> environment?

LINUX uses Active Directory without any issues to speak of.



From john at wesorick.com  Wed Apr 23 13:28:07 2014
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:28:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Samba/LDAP Help
In-Reply-To: <1398272369.5459.1.camel@linux-vojw.site>
References: <CACrkP+HkZ1Fn79-crD8pPv6EoO_ddH6D+H+niffWgdWFCX4pYQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1398272369.5459.1.camel@linux-vojw.site>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+F74gcj_=6zMMBZBng-XKYc1aaDq8zOCM4nSJQg39dwzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that. I guess flaky might not be the right word. Maybe it's just
because most things I read are from people who use AD and are trying out
Samba4 (i.e. Windows solution -> Linux solution), instead of moving from
LDAP to Samba so things aren't as expected.

I guess I'll bite the bullet and try it out. I just wanted to see if there
were other options.


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <
awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:

>
> > Now, I prefer to use SMB/CIFS, since we do have a mix of OSs, but
> > Samba 4 doesn't seem to support using an external LDAP authentication
>
> Correct,  Samba4 replaces an external DSA.
>
> > server anymore and although it can work as an Active Directory server,
> > it seems like it's really focused on the Windows side for whatever
> > reason, and from what I have been able to research still seems a
> > little flaky.
>
> I don't find anything "flaky" about Samba4.  There is a script to
> upgrade you existing RFC2307+S3 NT4 domain to a Samba4 AD domain.
>
> > What are you guys using in your production environments, and what
> > would you suggest for a secure file-server (are there options beside
> > Samba, I couldn't find any) and authentication server combo?
>
> We use Samba 4.
>
> > Does anyone have experience using Samba 4 in a mostly Linux
> > environment?
>
> LINUX uses Active Directory without any issues to speak of.
>
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From geer at umich.edu  Wed Apr 23 16:43:18 2014
From: geer at umich.edu (Rob Geer)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:43:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Open Perl Developer position
Message-ID: <CANub6JuLE9OMRcE8+QfGe_EUzNnrfkkKFALmbF4-faGUAQUeyg@mail.gmail.com>

Our growing West Michigan client is seeking a contract Perl Developer to
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Apr 29 15:13:16 2014
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:13:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Keeping machines in sync
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1404291411530.28784@Mail.omnitec.net>

Need to keep SDHC images current, .. I assume the best way is to build our
own repository for the SW that we add [compiled], but since we're only
talking about a handful at this point, any other suggestions?

	Lee

From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 16:48:47 2014
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:48:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Friday After Five
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCjTJRJDOgVYKXYFLwiWXP0ztWZEgt1CFtymC-eVcPgBg@mail.gmail.com>

We here at Virtual Interconnect are hosting the Grand Rapids Linux
User's Group for weekly socials. Kyle and myself will serve as
anchors; at least one of us will be here during the event.

You have no obligation to show up. If you show up, there's no
obligation to show up again. There's no obligation to show up for the
entire time. (It seems weird that I have to say this this way, but
it's always been a recurring set of questions, so...)

Time: 5PM-7PM Fridays, every week

Location: 315 Richard Terrace, Grand Rapids MI 49506 (Not
handicapped-accessible, sorry.) Google Street View:
http://goo.gl/maps/CDOzO

Parking: Parking lot on the south side of the building.

Food: Popcorn and water are free. Anything else is BYOB (No alcohol),
although something else may be arranged for in the future.

Bus routes: The #6 runs right in front of us, the #5 and #19 come
close. Nearest stops: http://bit.ly/QyS7RY

Entry: The door is always locked, unless it's propped open. Ring the
doorbell if it's shut.

Loitering: When Kyle and I have to go, we have to go. There are
restaurants, cafes and bookstores all around, though.

-- 
:wq