From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed May 1 10:16:23 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 10:16:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
Message-ID: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
1. how would I search for /var/www/virtual in vi? I tried putting
quotes around it and also just
//var/www/virtual
But neither seems to work.
2. To add AllowOverride for sites at /var/www/virtual, is this correct?
AllowOverride All
And would I just enter it following the same entry for /var/www/html?
Thanks.
From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Wed May 1 10:25:32 2013
From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:25:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID:
Try this
sed '/\/Directory/ i\AllowOverride All' file_name
-----Original Message-----
From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Eric Beversluis
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:16 AM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
1. how would I search for /var/www/virtual in vi? I tried putting
quotes around it and also just
//var/www/virtual
But neither seems to work.
2. To add AllowOverride for sites at /var/www/virtual, is this correct?
AllowOverride All
And would I just enter it following the same entry for /var/www/html?
Thanks.
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From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Wed May 1 10:27:31 2013
From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:27:31 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To:
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID:
Sorry, this should put the AllowOverride All line above the line.
You can redirect this to a temp file or use the sed -i to edit the file directly. Make a copy first.
-----Original Message-----
From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Pribble
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:26 AM
To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area.
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
Try this
sed '/\/Directory/ i\AllowOverride All' file_name
-----Original Message-----
From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Eric Beversluis
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:16 AM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
1. how would I search for /var/www/virtual in vi? I tried putting
quotes around it and also just
//var/www/virtual
But neither seems to work.
2. To add AllowOverride for sites at /var/www/virtual, is this correct?
AllowOverride All
And would I just enter it following the same entry for /var/www/html?
Thanks.
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From devriesbj at gmail.com Wed May 1 10:43:33 2013
From: devriesbj at gmail.com (Brad DeVries)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:43:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID:
Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's vi-related and let
someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second question.
In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches down the file. If you
want to search for a slash character then you need to "escape" it with a
backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it would work:
/\/\/var\/www\/virtual
(Note the backslash characters before each forward slash character, except
the first one, which initiates the search.)
HTH,
Brad.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Eric Beversluis <
ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> 1. how would I search for /var/www/virtual in vi? I tried putting
> quotes around it and also just
> //var/www/virtual
>
> But neither seems to work.
>
> 2. To add AllowOverride for sites at /var/www/virtual, is this correct?
>
>
> AllowOverride All
>
>
> And would I just enter it following the same entry for /var/www/html?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From jeff at ajprogramming.com Wed May 1 10:47:21 2013
From: jeff at ajprogramming.com (Jeff Bosch)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To:
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <7b249a04c772a0e2eaf8aaf962a33ab3.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com>
I believe you have one too many "escaped" slashes. Try:
/\/var\/www\/virtual
> Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's vi-related and let
> someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second question.
>
> In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches down the file. If
> you
> want to search for a slash character then you need to "escape" it with a
> backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it would work:
> /\/\/var\/www\/virtual
> (Note the backslash characters before each forward slash character, except
> the first one, which initiates the search.)
From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed May 1 10:58:48 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 10:58:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To:
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1367420328.1643.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Thanks. I should have remembered escaping. Just haven't used it in this
context before.
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 10:43 -0400, Brad DeVries wrote:
> Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's vi-related and let
> someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second question.
>
>
> In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches down the file.
> If you want to search for a slash character then you need to "escape"
> it with a backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it would
> work:
> /\/\/var\/www\/virtual
> (Note the backslash characters before each forward slash character,
> except the first one, which initiates the search.)
>
>
> HTH,
> Brad.
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Eric Beversluis
> wrote:
> 1. how would I search for /var/www/virtual in vi? I tried
> putting
> quotes around it and also just
> //var/www/virtual
>
> But neither seems to work.
>
> 2. To add AllowOverride for sites at /var/www/virtual, is this
> correct?
>
>
> AllowOverride All
>
>
> And would I just enter it following the same entry
> for /var/www/html?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
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From devriesbj at gmail.com Wed May 1 11:58:18 2013
From: devriesbj at gmail.com (Brad DeVries)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 11:58:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To: <7b249a04c772a0e2eaf8aaf962a33ab3.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com>
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<7b249a04c772a0e2eaf8aaf962a33ab3.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com>
Message-ID:
Good catch. It didn't seem right when I looked at it after typing but I
just assumed it was me getting old. Guess I was right.
Brad.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jeff Bosch wrote:
> I believe you have one too many "escaped" slashes. Try:
> /\/var\/www\/virtual
>
> > Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's vi-related and let
> > someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second question.
> >
> > In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches down the file. If
> > you
> > want to search for a slash character then you need to "escape" it with a
> > backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it would work:
> > /\/\/var\/www\/virtual
> > (Note the backslash characters before each forward slash character,
> except
> > the first one, which initiates the search.)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed May 1 14:18:25 2013
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:18:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To:
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<7b249a04c772a0e2eaf8aaf962a33ab3.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com>
Message-ID:
I typically would just search for virtual to make it easy.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Brad DeVries wrote:
> Good catch. It didn't seem right when I looked at it after typing but I
> just assumed it was me getting old. Guess I was right.
>
> Brad.
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jeff Bosch wrote:
>
>> I believe you have one too many "escaped" slashes. Try:
>> /\/var\/www\/virtual
>>
>> > Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's vi-related and let
>> > someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second question.
>> >
>> > In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches down the file. If
>> > you
>> > want to search for a slash character then you need to "escape" it with a
>> > backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it would work:
>> > /\/\/var\/www\/virtual
>> > (Note the backslash characters before each forward slash character,
>> except
>> > the first one, which initiates the search.)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed May 1 14:30:11 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:30:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] two quick vi qq
In-Reply-To:
References: <1367417783.1643.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<7b249a04c772a0e2eaf8aaf962a33ab3.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com>
Message-ID: <1367433011.1643.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Ja--one could do dat too.
Got the Override working and the .htaccess file in place. Thanks to all.
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 14:18 -0400, Steve Romanow wrote:
> I typically would just search for virtual to make it easy.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Brad DeVries
> wrote:
> Good catch. It didn't seem right when I looked at it after
> typing but I just assumed it was me getting old. Guess I was
> right.
>
>
> Brad.
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jeff Bosch
> wrote:
> I believe you have one too many "escaped" slashes.
> Try:
> /\/var\/www\/virtual
>
> > Eric, I'll answer the first question because it's
> vi-related and let
> > someone with more Apache knowhow answer the second
> question.
> >
> > In vi, as you know, the slash (/) character searches
> down the file. If
> > you
> > want to search for a slash character then you need
> to "escape" it with a
> > backslash. So, if you tried this key sequence, it
> would work:
> > /\/\/var\/www\/virtual
> > (Note the backslash characters before each forward
> slash character, except
> > the first one, which initiates the search.)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed May 1 22:55:11 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 22:55:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
Message-ID:
Since I brought up the issue of losing
bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
me add just a bit. The downstream
bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
has degraded by about 35%, and still
seemed to be going down. The upstream
bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
why not? What can it hurt?
Doing that, everything came back, and
the bit rates up and down are what they
were a week ago.
So, how come? Other than the fact
that power cycling cured what was ailing
the bit rate, why should I have needed
to do this at all? Something to do with
the modems interaction with Comcast?
Just curious. In the end I'll have to
power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
about this, please post them.
-- Bob
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From john at wesorick.com Wed May 1 23:00:56 2013
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 23:00:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
This has been my experience with both Comcast and AT&T routers/modems. I
actually ended up getting a programmable outlet, like you use to program
lights, to turn them off for 5 minutes a day. Works fine then.
On May 1, 2013 10:55 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
> Since I brought up the issue of losing
> bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
> me add just a bit. The downstream
> bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
> Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
> has degraded by about 35%, and still
> seemed to be going down. The upstream
> bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
>
> What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
> why not? What can it hurt?
>
> Doing that, everything came back, and
> the bit rates up and down are what they
> were a week ago.
>
> So, how come? Other than the fact
> that power cycling cured what was ailing
> the bit rate, why should I have needed
> to do this at all? Something to do with
> the modems interaction with Comcast?
>
> Just curious. In the end I'll have to
> power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
> sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
> about this, please post them.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed May 1 23:07:07 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 23:07:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Good thought. I have some mechanical timers
and could just set one to do this early in the morning.
It's sad to have to resort to something like this, but
maybe the reality is that much of the stuff does
depend on being power cycled periodically to prevent
becoming too flaky. To me that suggests poor design,
but one has to just live with it I fear. Maybe some
modems are better than others. I'm pretty sure it's
the modem and not the router.
-- Bob
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Wesorick wrote:
> This has been my experience with both Comcast and AT&T routers/modems. I
> actually ended up getting a programmable outlet, like you use to program
> lights, to turn them off for 5 minutes a day. Works fine then.
> On May 1, 2013 10:55 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
>
>> Since I brought up the issue of losing
>> bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
>> me add just a bit. The downstream
>> bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
>> Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
>> has degraded by about 35%, and still
>> seemed to be going down. The upstream
>> bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
>>
>> What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
>> why not? What can it hurt?
>>
>> Doing that, everything came back, and
>> the bit rates up and down are what they
>> were a week ago.
>>
>> So, how come? Other than the fact
>> that power cycling cured what was ailing
>> the bit rate, why should I have needed
>> to do this at all? Something to do with
>> the modems interaction with Comcast?
>>
>> Just curious. In the end I'll have to
>> power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
>> sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
>> about this, please post them.
>>
>> -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From john at wesorick.com Wed May 1 23:21:28 2013
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 23:21:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Yeah with AT&T fios you have to use their stuff, so you get what you get.
With Comcast I can buy my own modem, I've just been too lazy to find one
that works and I'm planning on leaving them soon anyway. It's cheap, easy
and works. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's why proprietary
stuff sucks. Poor logging and visibility.
On May 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
> Good thought. I have some mechanical timers
> and could just set one to do this early in the morning.
> It's sad to have to resort to something like this, but
> maybe the reality is that much of the stuff does
> depend on being power cycled periodically to prevent
> becoming too flaky. To me that suggests poor design,
> but one has to just live with it I fear. Maybe some
> modems are better than others. I'm pretty sure it's
> the modem and not the router.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Wesorick wrote:
>
>> This has been my experience with both Comcast and AT&T routers/modems. I
>> actually ended up getting a programmable outlet, like you use to program
>> lights, to turn them off for 5 minutes a day. Works fine then.
>> On May 1, 2013 10:55 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
>>
>>> Since I brought up the issue of losing
>>> bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
>>> me add just a bit. The downstream
>>> bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
>>> Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
>>> has degraded by about 35%, and still
>>> seemed to be going down. The upstream
>>> bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
>>>
>>> What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
>>> why not? What can it hurt?
>>>
>>> Doing that, everything came back, and
>>> the bit rates up and down are what they
>>> were a week ago.
>>>
>>> So, how come? Other than the fact
>>> that power cycling cured what was ailing
>>> the bit rate, why should I have needed
>>> to do this at all? Something to do with
>>> the modems interaction with Comcast?
>>>
>>> Just curious. In the end I'll have to
>>> power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
>>> sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
>>> about this, please post them.
>>>
>>> -- Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
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>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu May 2 08:49:13 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:49:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/power-cycling-your-modem/
In the video Comcast recommends resetting
your modem "often." I'm thinking your once
a day regimen seems about right, since you
clearly never know when "they" might do
something.
-- Bob
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Wesorick wrote:
> This has been my experience with both Comcast and AT&T routers/modems. I
> actually ended up getting a programmable outlet, like you use to program
> lights, to turn them off for 5 minutes a day. Works fine then.
> On May 1, 2013 10:55 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
>
>> Since I brought up the issue of losing
>> bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
>> me add just a bit. The downstream
>> bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
>> Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
>> has degraded by about 35%, and still
>> seemed to be going down. The upstream
>> bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
>>
>> What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
>> why not? What can it hurt?
>>
>> Doing that, everything came back, and
>> the bit rates up and down are what they
>> were a week ago.
>>
>> So, how come? Other than the fact
>> that power cycling cured what was ailing
>> the bit rate, why should I have needed
>> to do this at all? Something to do with
>> the modems interaction with Comcast?
>>
>> Just curious. In the end I'll have to
>> power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
>> sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
>> about this, please post them.
>>
>> -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com Thu May 2 08:55:04 2013
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 08:55:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <51826228.8020200@gmail.com>
On 05/01/2013 10:55 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> Since I brought up the issue of losing
> bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
> me add just a bit. The downstream
> bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
> Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
> has degraded by about 35%, and still
> seemed to be going down. The upstream
> bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
>
> What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
> why not? What can it hurt?
>
> Doing that, everything came back, and
> the bit rates up and down are what they
> were a week ago.
>
> So, how come? Other than the fact
> that power cycling cured what was ailing
> the bit rate, why should I have needed
> to do this at all? Something to do with
> the modems interaction with Comcast?
>
> Just curious. In the end I'll have to
> power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
> sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
> about this, please post them.
There are a number of things that can get crufty in network equipment if
they're not configured properly. Since it seems most consumer network
equipment runs Linux, it also seems likely manufacturers don't change
defaults much...and there are things (such as how long to assume
connections are open) with insanely long timeouts. Like five *days*.
I've got a thought that the problem may not be with the modem, but with
the router's routing tables and other cached information. Powering off
the modem would look like a link drop to the router, leading it to do
some internal cleanup and garbage collection.
A couple things to try in the future:
1) Unplug the network cable, wait 15-30 seconds, plug it back in.
2) Unplug the router, wait 15-30 second, plug it back in.
Both are ways of testing that theory.
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu May 2 09:05:32 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:05:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed loss
In-Reply-To: <51826228.8020200@gmail.com>
References:
<51826228.8020200@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I will give both those things a try at some
point.
I'm happy to see relatively simple solutions
to the overall problem. Whether it's the
router or the modem, the simplest of all
appears to be to use another suggestion
made here - put in a timer and just interrupt
the power for a minute or so each day. At
bottom, it's just the way it is.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 10:55 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> > Since I brought up the issue of losing
> > bandwidth for the last 4 or 5 days, let
> > me add just a bit. The downstream
> > bandwidth, using the speedtest.net
> > Detroit test point, hosted by Comcast,
> > has degraded by about 35%, and still
> > seemed to be going down. The upstream
> > bandwidth was more or less unchanged.
> >
> > What to do? Why, power cycle! I mean,
> > why not? What can it hurt?
> >
> > Doing that, everything came back, and
> > the bit rates up and down are what they
> > were a week ago.
> >
> > So, how come? Other than the fact
> > that power cycling cured what was ailing
> > the bit rate, why should I have needed
> > to do this at all? Something to do with
> > the modems interaction with Comcast?
> >
> > Just curious. In the end I'll have to
> > power cycle in any case in the bandwidth
> > sags again, but if anyone has any thoughts
> > about this, please post them.
>
> There are a number of things that can get crufty in network equipment if
> they're not configured properly. Since it seems most consumer network
> equipment runs Linux, it also seems likely manufacturers don't change
> defaults much...and there are things (such as how long to assume
> connections are open) with insanely long timeouts. Like five *days*.
>
> I've got a thought that the problem may not be with the modem, but with
> the router's routing tables and other cached information. Powering off
> the modem would look like a link drop to the router, leading it to do
> some internal cleanup and garbage collection.
>
> A couple things to try in the future:
>
> 1) Unplug the network cable, wait 15-30 seconds, plug it back in.
> 2) Unplug the router, wait 15-30 second, plug it back in.
>
> Both are ways of testing that theory.
>
>
>
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From chris at wieringafamily.com Thu May 2 10:23:46 2013
From: chris at wieringafamily.com (Chris Wieringa)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:23:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed slump?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I personally haven't seen an issue, but I do have issues time to time that
are extremely local to my neighborhood.
Couple things to check:
1. If you can get to 192.168.100.1 - this should be your cable modem's
internal IP ranges. Check your signal levels, compare them to the listings
on http://www.speedguide.net/articles/cable-modem-signal-levels-1197 . If
you are getting to a fringe on signal levels this can greatly change your
speeds. You can do some re-engineering internal to your house by reducing
splits, adding splits, etc to get to optimal levels and making sure you
have all your house taps connected, or disconnected correctly (with
appropriate cable caps). Additional devices on the cable plant in your
house may be adding signal interference.
2. Ask your neighbors. Having 2-3 people in a neighborhood call at once
can help Comcast come to the conclusion that there may be issues with a
local neighborhood not an individual connection.
3. Hard-power cycle your cable modem and router.
4. If you can figure out that your first or second hops out (tracert) are
causing issues (I've seen this before), if you "change" your MAC address on
your router you may get a new IP range with different initial hops.
Comcast has several ranges that they load-balance connections between,
although they tend to stick once assigned to a particular IP pool.
Just a few debugging things I've done with my own connection.
Chris
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> I use speedtest.net, and the Comcast test
> location in Detroit - Comcast techs recommend
> that, so one expects it to show good results.....
>
> The last two or three days I've notice the
> up and down rates have typically dropped
> about 20% to 25%. Anyone else seeing this?
> Even my ace in the hole - 4 to 6 AM shows
> lower rates.
>
> I've seen long stretches when the up/down
> rates are high, and stable. i.e., weeks to
> a month or two. Then something changes.
> And that's what's happening now.
>
> Anyway, just a query to see whether anyone
> has observed anything. I don't intend to call
> Comcast just yet.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu May 2 10:41:06 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:41:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Speed slump?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
#1 is a very good point. The signal to the
modem can just as well be too strong as too
weak - the modem only modulates correctly
within a specified signal strength range.
Why the signal strength varies is anyone's
guess, but can include things like Comcast
adjusting amplifiers upstream, connect
tightness and corrosion, including your own.
But a Comcast person did stop by once of
his own volition, and thought the level might
be slight out of range, and then tweaked
something. Playing the game on your own
could be done hit and miss I guess, using
your modem performance as a guide.
Anyway, for now, I'm back in the chips.
Power cycling does it. I don't know why,
but that won't change the fact I just need
to do it on a regular basis now.
-- Bob
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Chris Wieringa wrote:
> I personally haven't seen an issue, but I do have issues time to time that
> are extremely local to my neighborhood.
>
> Couple things to check:
> 1. If you can get to 192.168.100.1 - this should be your cable modem's
> internal IP ranges. Check your signal levels, compare them to the listings
> on http://www.speedguide.net/articles/cable-modem-signal-levels-1197 .
> If you are getting to a fringe on signal levels this can greatly change
> your speeds. You can do some re-engineering internal to your house by
> reducing splits, adding splits, etc to get to optimal levels and making
> sure you have all your house taps connected, or disconnected correctly
> (with appropriate cable caps). Additional devices on the cable plant in
> your house may be adding signal interference.
> 2. Ask your neighbors. Having 2-3 people in a neighborhood call at once
> can help Comcast come to the conclusion that there may be issues with a
> local neighborhood not an individual connection.
> 3. Hard-power cycle your cable modem and router.
> 4. If you can figure out that your first or second hops out (tracert) are
> causing issues (I've seen this before), if you "change" your MAC address on
> your router you may get a new IP range with different initial hops.
> Comcast has several ranges that they load-balance connections between,
> although they tend to stick once assigned to a particular IP pool.
>
> Just a few debugging things I've done with my own connection.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
>
>> I use speedtest.net, and the Comcast test
>> location in Detroit - Comcast techs recommend
>> that, so one expects it to show good results.....
>>
>> The last two or three days I've notice the
>> up and down rates have typically dropped
>> about 20% to 25%. Anyone else seeing this?
>> Even my ace in the hole - 4 to 6 AM shows
>> lower rates.
>>
>> I've seen long stretches when the up/down
>> rates are high, and stable. i.e., weeks to
>> a month or two. Then something changes.
>> And that's what's happening now.
>>
>> Anyway, just a query to see whether anyone
>> has observed anything. I don't intend to call
>> Comcast just yet.
>>
>> -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu May 2 12:51:49 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:51:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] An interesting website for IPv6 buffs.
Message-ID:
http://www.sixxs.net/misc/coolstuff/
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From mikemol at gmail.com Thu May 2 13:18:17 2013
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 13:18:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] An interesting website for IPv6 buffs.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <51829FD9.6040508@gmail.com>
On 05/02/2013 12:51 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> http://www.sixxs.net/misc/coolstuff/
PDF, but a very, very good read if you're considering implementing IPv6
on a corporate network.
NIST SP 800-800-119, Guidelines for the Secure Deployment of IPv6
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-119/sp800-119.pdf
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu May 2 14:17:05 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 14:17:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Free
Message-ID:
PC2-6400U-666-12-E0
2GB 2Rx8
I have 4, for a total of 8GB.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Panasonic 120 min DVD RAM.
DVD-RAM LM-AF120LU5
A 5-pack. Brand new. I think this
was a failed attempt by Panasonic
to introduce a new media for video
recorders. I had a recorder, and it
crapped out long ago. On the off
chance someone still has something
that uses these, they're brand new,
and you can't get them any more.
Let me know fast if you want either item,
or both. Tomorrow they go in a dumpster.
I don't have room or the inclination to keep
stuff like this around any more.
-- Bob
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From andross at gmail.com Fri May 3 03:05:48 2013
From: andross at gmail.com (andross at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 03:05:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Free
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I could use the RAM. It'd be a shame to toss it.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> PC2-6400U-666-12-E0
>
> 2GB 2Rx8
>
> I have 4, for a total of 8GB.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Panasonic 120 min DVD RAM.
>
> DVD-RAM LM-AF120LU5
>
> A 5-pack. Brand new. I think this
> was a failed attempt by Panasonic
> to introduce a new media for video
> recorders. I had a recorder, and it
> crapped out long ago. On the off
> chance someone still has something
> that uses these, they're brand new,
> and you can't get them any more.
>
>
> Let me know fast if you want either item,
> or both. Tomorrow they go in a dumpster.
> I don't have room or the inclination to keep
> stuff like this around any more.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From megadave at gmail.com Fri May 3 03:21:52 2013
From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 03:21:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Free
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I actually have a DVD RAM drive... I have *one* DVDRAM disc for it.
I don't really use it for anything, but hey a drive with 6 discs is
better than a drive with just one.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> PC2-6400U-666-12-E0
>
> 2GB 2Rx8
>
> I have 4, for a total of 8GB.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Panasonic 120 min DVD RAM.
>
> DVD-RAM LM-AF120LU5
>
> A 5-pack. Brand new. I think this
> was a failed attempt by Panasonic
> to introduce a new media for video
> recorders. I had a recorder, and it
> crapped out long ago. On the off
> chance someone still has something
> that uses these, they're brand new,
> and you can't get them any more.
>
>
> Let me know fast if you want either item,
> or both. Tomorrow they go in a dumpster.
> I don't have room or the inclination to keep
> stuff like this around any more.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri May 3 10:01:30 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:01:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Free
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I'll put them aside for you.
-- Bob
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:05 AM, wrote:
> I could use the RAM. It'd be a shame to toss it.
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
>
>> PC2-6400U-666-12-E0
>>
>> 2GB 2Rx8
>>
>> I have 4, for a total of 8GB.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Panasonic 120 min DVD RAM.
>>
>> DVD-RAM LM-AF120LU5
>>
>> A 5-pack. Brand new. I think this
>> was a failed attempt by Panasonic
>> to introduce a new media for video
>> recorders. I had a recorder, and it
>> crapped out long ago. On the off
>> chance someone still has something
>> that uses these, they're brand new,
>> and you can't get them any more.
>>
>>
>> Let me know fast if you want either item,
>> or both. Tomorrow they go in a dumpster.
>> I don't have room or the inclination to keep
>> stuff like this around any more.
>>
>> -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri May 3 10:01:43 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:01:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Free
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
You've got 'em.
-- Bob
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote:
> I actually have a DVD RAM drive... I have *one* DVDRAM disc for it.
>
> I don't really use it for anything, but hey a drive with 6 discs is
> better than a drive with just one.
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> > PC2-6400U-666-12-E0
> >
> > 2GB 2Rx8
> >
> > I have 4, for a total of 8GB.
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Panasonic 120 min DVD RAM.
> >
> > DVD-RAM LM-AF120LU5
> >
> > A 5-pack. Brand new. I think this
> > was a failed attempt by Panasonic
> > to introduce a new media for video
> > recorders. I had a recorder, and it
> > crapped out long ago. On the off
> > chance someone still has something
> > that uses these, they're brand new,
> > and you can't get them any more.
> >
> >
> > Let me know fast if you want either item,
> > or both. Tomorrow they go in a dumpster.
> > I don't have room or the inclination to keep
> > stuff like this around any more.
> >
> > -- Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From lvl at omnitec.net Tue May 7 12:16:29 2013
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:16:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash glob
Message-ID:
Trying to ensure the parameter to a script matches:
YYYY-MM (e.g. 2013-06)
It would seem this would be the desired pattern:
if [[ ! $1 =~ '[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}' ]] ; then
echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
exit
fi
However it will not match a valid YYYY-MM. Cluestick, anyone?
Thanks!
Lee
From binki at gentoo.org Tue May 7 13:26:03 2013
From: binki at gentoo.org (Nathan Phillip Brink)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 17:26:03 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:16:29AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to ensure the parameter to a script matches:
>
> YYYY-MM (e.g. 2013-06)
>
> It would seem this would be the desired pattern:
>
> if [[ ! $1 =~ '[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}' ]] ; then
> echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
> exit
> fi
>
> However it will not match a valid YYYY-MM. Cluestick, anyone?
See ?$ info '(bash)Conditional Constructs'? which, in explaining the
regex ?=~? operator, says ?Any part of the pattern may be quoted to
force it to be matched as a string.? Your expression works after
removing the single quotes.
It appears that if you want to include spaces in your regex, you must
escape just the spaces with singlequotes or a backslash per whitespace
character. I am not sure if there is a way to quote an entire regex
without getting the ?force it to be matched as a string? behavior.
--
binki
Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes!
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From mrj at plorb.com Tue May 7 13:30:12 2013
From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:30:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash glob
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20130507173012.GA22580@blorp.plorb.com>
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:16:29AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to ensure the parameter to a script matches:
>
> YYYY-MM (e.g. 2013-06)
>
> It would seem this would be the desired pattern:
>
> if [[ ! $1 =~ '[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}' ]] ; then
> echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
> exit
> fi
>
> However it will not match a valid YYYY-MM. Cluestick, anyone?
I didn't know bash had a regular expression operator. Apparently you're
not supposed to quote the pattern. Anything between quotes is done as a
literal string match.
--
Jeff DeFouw
From desertfrag at yahoo.com Tue May 7 14:18:15 2013
From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] A Day In The Life Of The Internet [INFOGRAPHIC]
Message-ID: <1367950695.73117.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
http://www.mediabistro.com/alltwitter/internet-day-stats_b41621
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From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:19:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] A Day In The Life Of The Internet [INFOGRAPHIC]
Message-ID: <1367950783.10053.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Sorry, correct url is:
http://www.mediabistro.com/alltwitter/internet-day-stats_b41621
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From lvl at omnitec.net Tue May 7 14:21:35 2013
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:21:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To: <20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
References:
<20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID:
> See ^^$ info '(bash)Conditional Constructs'^^ which, in explaining the
> regex ^^=~^^ operator, says ^^Any part of the pattern may be quoted to
> force it to be matched as a string.^^ Your expression works after
> removing the single quotes.
>
I had tried single, double, as well as no quotes, .. none would match the
YYYY-MM string when properly formatted.
I ended up with:
if [[ ! $1 =~ [0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9] ]] ; then
echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
exit
fi
I believe the main problem was the missing 'number' modifier usable in
bash, so I had to explictly repeat the digits.
Thanks!
Lee
From lvl at omnitec.net Tue May 7 14:22:55 2013
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:22:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash glob
In-Reply-To: <20130507173012.GA22580@blorp.plorb.com>
References:
<20130507173012.GA22580@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Jeff DeFouw wrote:
> I didn't know bash had a regular expression operator. Apparently you're
> not supposed to quote the pattern. Anything between quotes is done as a
> literal string match.
>
I had tried with all quoted combinations, .. but I finally concluded that
bash regex's lacked a 'number' modifier (i.e. the {4} & {2}).
Thanks!
Lee
From robert.citek at gmail.com Tue May 7 14:27:47 2013
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:27:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To:
References:
<20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID:
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:21 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> I had tried single, double, as well as no quotes, .. none would match the
> YYYY-MM string when properly formatted.
>
> I ended up with:
>
> if [[ ! $1 =~ [0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9] ]] ; then
> echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
> exit
> fi
>
> I believe the main problem was the missing 'number' modifier usable in
> bash, so I had to explictly repeat the digits.
Can you show what you used as a test?
Regex in single quotes:
$ [[ "2013-06" =~ '[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}' ]] && echo yes || echo no
no
Regex in double quotes:
# [[ "2013-06" =~ "[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}" ]] && echo yes || echo no
no
Regex without quotes:
$ [[ "2013-06" =~ [0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2} ]] && echo yes || echo no
yes
Regex as variable:
$ regex="[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}"
$ [[ "2013-06" =~ ${regex} ]] && echo yes || echo no
yes
Regards,
- Robert
From binki at gentoo.org Tue May 7 14:28:18 2013
From: binki at gentoo.org (Nathan Phillip Brink)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:28:18 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To:
References:
<20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID: <20130507182818.GD15291@ohnopublishing.net>
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 01:21:35PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> > See ^^$ info '(bash)Conditional Constructs'^^ which, in explaining the
> > regex ^^=~^^ operator, says ^^Any part of the pattern may be quoted to
> > force it to be matched as a string.^^ Your expression works after
> > removing the single quotes.
> >
> I had tried single, double, as well as no quotes, .. none would match the
> YYYY-MM string when properly formatted.
>
> I ended up with:
>
> if [[ ! $1 =~ [0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9] ]] ; then
> echo ' Usage: backup YYYY-MM'
> exit
> fi
>
> I believe the main problem was the missing 'number' modifier usable in
> bash, so I had to explictly repeat the digits.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
Works for me:
ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ a=2012-04
ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ [[ $a =~ [0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2} ]]; echo $?
0
ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ a=20a2-04
ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ [[ $a =~ [0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2} ]]; echo $?
1
ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ echo ${BASH_VERSION}
4.2.10(2)-release
--
binki
Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes!
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From robert.citek at gmail.com Tue May 7 14:40:55 2013
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:40:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To: <20130507182818.GD15291@ohnopublishing.net>
References:
<20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
<20130507182818.GD15291@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID:
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Nathan Phillip Brink wrote:
> Works for me:
>
> ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ a=2012-04
> ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ [[ $a =~ [0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2} ]]; echo $?
> 0
> ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ a=20a2-04
> ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ [[ $a =~ [0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2} ]]; echo $?
> 1
> ohnobinki at ohnopublishing ~ $ echo ${BASH_VERSION}
> 4.2.10(2)-release
Ditto. Bash does grouping, too:
$ a=2012-04 ; regex='([0-9]{4})-[0-9]{2}' ; [[ $a =~ ${regex} ]] ;
echo ${BASH_REMATCH[@]}
2012-04 2012
Regards,
- Robert
From lvl at omnitec.net Tue May 7 14:48:37 2013
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:48:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Bash regex
In-Reply-To:
References:
<20130507172602.GC15291@ohnopublishing.net>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Robert Citek wrote:
> > I believe the main problem was the missing 'number' modifier usable in
> > bash, so I had to explictly repeat the digits.
>
> Can you show what you used as a test?
>
2012-06 passes, ..
> $ regex="[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}"
> $ [[ "2013-06" =~ ${regex} ]] && echo yes || echo no
> yes
>
Interesting, .. I must not have tested the modifier without quotes - that
DOES work!
Thanks!!!
Lee
From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue May 7 14:54:59 2013
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 14:54:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] A Day In The Life Of The Internet [INFOGRAPHIC]
In-Reply-To: <1367950695.73117.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1367950695.73117.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1367952899.1796.24.camel@linux-86wr.site>
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 11:18 -0700, desert frag wrote:
> http://www.mediabistro.com/alltwitter/internet-day-stats_b41621
So ~60%+ of the world's population does *not* use the Internet in a
given day, upwards of ~70% - 80% do *not* on some continents.
"8 new people start using the Internet every second"
And 2 people die every second, and four are born [hmmm, how does that
figure in..].
And social networking users also spend ~21 hours a day doing something
potentially productive! :)
Numbers are fun!
--
Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA
From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed May 8 16:44:30 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 16:44:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
Message-ID: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
AP says, "The tune-up...part of a software package given the codename
"Blue," [is] a tacit acknowledgment of the shortcomings of Windows 8."
Is codename "Blue" meant to remind us of the blue screen of death?
From steveg at branchadventures.org Thu May 9 10:49:29 2013
From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 10:49:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
In-Reply-To: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
On 5/8/2013 4:44 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> AP says, "The tune-up...part of a software package given the codename
> "Blue," [is] a tacit acknowledgment of the shortcomings of Windows 8."
>
> Is codename "Blue" meant to remind us of the blue screen of death?
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
Probably "Blue" refers to the faces of the windows users who have tried
it. As a tech, i don't like it, as common tools are harder to find.
Hopefully they will split the OS like Apple does. One version for
tablets, one for workstation/laptops.
--
Healthy Computer Systems
Steve Grody - Owner
616-502-2454
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From: circlotron at yahoo.com (Robert Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Musical Tesla Coil @ GRMakers
Message-ID: <1368123692.42220.YahooMailNeo@web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Does anyone have a video of the Tesla coil playing the Gilligan's Island theme? I'd like to send it to a friend who's a huge Gilligan's Island fan and currently undergoing cancer treatment.
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From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu May 9 14:43:16 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:43:16 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] desktop not aligned after disconnecting external monitor
Message-ID: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
My external monitor to my Lenovo x120e starts up fine (Fedora 17). I
plug it in, go to system settings, where it has been noticed and just
switch it to on. It aligns nicely and I can drag stuff easily back and
forth.
But I can't seem to find the right path to disconnecting it. I've tried
turning it off in System Settings before disconnecting, disconnecting
with it turned on, disconnecting after I've powered down the monitor.
It always seems to result in the desk icons being skewed way to the
left, so just the right few columns of icons show. The only way I've
been able to get the desktop right is to reboot.
That shouldn't be necessary, should it?
Thanks.
From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu May 9 14:49:50 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:49:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] desktop not aligned after disconnecting external monitor
In-Reply-To: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1368125390.1665.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Going into gnome-tweak-tool and turning Nautilus desktop control off and
on seems to be a work-around. But is there any way to disconnect the
external monitor without having to do this?
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 14:43 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> My external monitor to my Lenovo x120e starts up fine (Fedora 17). I
> plug it in, go to system settings, where it has been noticed and just
> switch it to on. It aligns nicely and I can drag stuff easily back and
> forth.
>
> But I can't seem to find the right path to disconnecting it. I've tried
> turning it off in System Settings before disconnecting, disconnecting
> with it turned on, disconnecting after I've powered down the monitor.
>
> It always seems to result in the desk icons being skewed way to the
> left, so just the right few columns of icons show. The only way I've
> been able to get the desktop right is to reboot.
>
> That shouldn't be necessary, should it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
From mikemol at gmail.com Thu May 9 14:52:20 2013
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:52:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] desktop not aligned after disconnecting external monitor
In-Reply-To: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <518BF064.2090400@gmail.com>
On 05/09/2013 02:43 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> My external monitor to my Lenovo x120e starts up fine (Fedora 17). I
> plug it in, go to system settings, where it has been noticed and just
> switch it to on. It aligns nicely and I can drag stuff easily back and
> forth.
>
> But I can't seem to find the right path to disconnecting it. I've tried
> turning it off in System Settings before disconnecting, disconnecting
> with it turned on, disconnecting after I've powered down the monitor.
>
> It always seems to result in the desk icons being skewed way to the
> left, so just the right few columns of icons show. The only way I've
> been able to get the desktop right is to reboot.
>
> That shouldn't be necessary, should it?
There's a good chance you can straighten things out using the xrandr
command. Try using that to turn off your external output (i.e. if it's
VGA, it'd be "xrandr --output VGA1 --off". If its' DVI, it'd be "xrandr
--output DVI1 --off"), and to reset your primary display ("xrandr
--output LVDS1 --auto --primary" or some such)
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From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu May 9 15:05:07 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 15:05:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] desktop not aligned after disconnecting external monitor
In-Reply-To: <518BF064.2090400@gmail.com>
References: <1368124996.1665.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518BF064.2090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1368126307.1665.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 14:52 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> On 05/09/2013 02:43 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > My external monitor to my Lenovo x120e starts up fine (Fedora 17). I
> > plug it in, go to system settings, where it has been noticed and just
> > switch it to on. It aligns nicely and I can drag stuff easily back and
> > forth.
> >
> > But I can't seem to find the right path to disconnecting it. I've tried
> > turning it off in System Settings before disconnecting, disconnecting
> > with it turned on, disconnecting after I've powered down the monitor.
> >
> > It always seems to result in the desk icons being skewed way to the
> > left, so just the right few columns of icons show. The only way I've
> > been able to get the desktop right is to reboot.
> >
> > That shouldn't be necessary, should it?
>
> There's a good chance you can straighten things out using the xrandr
> command. Try using that to turn off your external output (i.e. if it's
> VGA, it'd be "xrandr --output VGA1 --off". If its' DVI, it'd be "xrandr
> --output DVI1 --off"), and to reset your primary display ("xrandr
> --output LVDS1 --auto --primary" or some such)
>
Are you saying that would be done each time? Then it would seem the
gnome-tweak-tool would be quicker. Shouldn't the System Settings handle
it? Is the system setting Displays function a front-end to xrandr?
From coderjoe69 at yahoo.com Thu May 9 18:00:25 2013
From: coderjoe69 at yahoo.com (Thad Ward)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
In-Reply-To: <518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
References: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
Message-ID: <1368136825.82201.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Except Windows 8 was made from the desire to unify versions across workstations,
laptops, tablets, and phones. That is the reason why it stinks so badly. I'm sure
novice users love it, because things work similarly on the phone, tablet, and laptop
or desktop (if they have either).
On 5/9/2013 10:49 AM, Steve @ HCS wrote:
>On 5/8/2013 4:44 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>
>> AP says, "The tune-up...part of a software package given the codename
>> "Blue," [is] a tacit acknowledgment of the shortcomings of Windows 8." Is
>> codename "Blue" meant to remind us of the blue screen of death?
> Probably "Blue" refers to the faces of the windows users who have tried
> it.? As a tech, i don't like it, as common tools are harder to find.? Hopefully
> they will split the OS like Apple does.? One version for tablets, one for
> workstation/laptops.
From knightperson at zuzax.com Fri May 10 01:33:36 2013
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 01:33:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
In-Reply-To: <1368136825.82201.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
<1368136825.82201.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <518C86B0.8020907@zuzax.com>
It's a bit of history repeating itself. In the days of Windows 2000 and
such, Microsoft did their unification theory between server OS and
desktop OS. Windows 2000 (and I'm pretty sure NT 4, but this knowledge
is rusty) had basically identical code for workstation and server
products. Slight tweaks to the scheduler, different licensing models,
and the option of installing more server applications were the only
differences between server and workstation. So server hardware had to
run the full, fairly processor-intensive for its day, NT 4 GUI on
servers that nobody ever used as workstations. While 100 megs of memory
and 4 megs of video memory are trivial these days, servers of the day
didn't always have that to spare. Linux made a better server OS in many
cases because you could save a significant fraction of the machine's
meager resources by not running the GUI.
It's a similar problem with Windows 8. Like a server is not a
workstation, a desktop is not a tablet! MS figured this out in later
server versions, differentiating them from the desktop OS even though
they share quite a bit of code, but they're trying to make something
that works as both a tablet-on-the-go operating system and a
desktop-at-real-work, and it isn't working. I've been forced to use
Windows 8 a bit at work (because somebody, somewhere really loves the
Surface), and it feels like a toy. This big, animated tiles thing so I
can quickly pick out the one application I want to look at, rather than
the start menu that takes up a small amount of screen space to let me
add another running application to the five I already have going.
Windows 8's interface might be perfectly viable if I just need to read
something during a commute (consuming content), but it sucks for doing
any real work (creating content).
Yes, I'll get off my soapbox now.
On 05/09/2013 06:00 PM, Thad Ward wrote:
> Except Windows 8 was made from the desire to unify versions across workstations,
> laptops, tablets, and phones. That is the reason why it stinks so badly. I'm sure
> novice users love it, because things work similarly on the phone, tablet, and laptop
> or desktop (if they have either).
>
> On 5/9/2013 10:49 AM, Steve @ HCS wrote:
>
>> On 5/8/2013 4:44 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>>
>>> AP says, "The tune-up...part of a software package given the codename
>>> "Blue," [is] a tacit acknowledgment of the shortcomings of Windows 8." Is
>>> codename "Blue" meant to remind us of the blue screen of death?
>> Probably "Blue" refers to the faces of the windows users who have tried
>> it. As a tech, i don't like it, as common tools are harder to find. Hopefully
>> they will split the OS like Apple does. One version for tablets, one for
>> workstation/laptops.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
From mikemol at gmail.com Fri May 10 09:56:26 2013
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:56:26 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
In-Reply-To: <518C86B0.8020907@zuzax.com>
References: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
<1368136825.82201.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
<518C86B0.8020907@zuzax.com>
Message-ID: <518CFC8A.40206@gmail.com>
On 05/10/2013 01:33 AM, Mike Williams wrote:
> It's a bit of history repeating itself. In the days of Windows 2000 and
> such, Microsoft did their unification theory between server OS and
> desktop OS. Windows 2000 (and I'm pretty sure NT 4, but this knowledge
> is rusty) had basically identical code for workstation and server
> products. Slight tweaks to the scheduler, different licensing models,
> and the option of installing more server applications were the only
> differences between server and workstation. So server hardware had to
> run the full, fairly processor-intensive for its day, NT 4 GUI on
> servers that nobody ever used as workstations. While 100 megs of memory
> and 4 megs of video memory are trivial these days, servers of the day
> didn't always have that to spare. Linux made a better server OS in many
> cases because you could save a significant fraction of the machine's
> meager resources by not running the GUI.
>
> It's a similar problem with Windows 8. Like a server is not a
> workstation, a desktop is not a tablet! MS figured this out in later
> server versions, differentiating them from the desktop OS even though
> they share quite a bit of code, but they're trying to make something
> that works as both a tablet-on-the-go operating system and a
> desktop-at-real-work, and it isn't working. I've been forced to use
> Windows 8 a bit at work (because somebody, somewhere really loves the
> Surface), and it feels like a toy. This big, animated tiles thing so I
> can quickly pick out the one application I want to look at, rather than
> the start menu that takes up a small amount of screen space to let me
> add another running application to the five I already have going.
> Windows 8's interface might be perfectly viable if I just need to read
> something during a commute (consuming content), but it sucks for doing
> any real work (creating content).
>
> Yes, I'll get off my soapbox now.
Yay, a soapbox thread. :)
So, Microsoft developed something called Windows Core. I forget if this
started with Vista or Win7. I think Vista. Anyway, the purpose of
Windows Core was to make the system much, much more modular. I forget
what the minimum requirements for the fully stripped down core are, but
I remember they sounded insanely low when announced.
You can see this some of this modularity when you "Add/Remove features",
but it's most clearly visible if you do the online-upgrade. If you've
got Win7 Starter, but you've got a product key for Win7 Ultimate, you
can load up the Control panel, go to System, click "Add features with a
new version of Windows", enter your product key, and it will download
and load in the new modular bits.
This is different from the XP era, when you could enable higher-grade
SKUs' features with simple registry hacks...I once turned my cousin's XP
home machine into a Terminal Server; I was doing my taxes over a web
browser over RDP while he was playing CounterStrike...
The upshot of all this is that they can rip out some components if they
need to fit into a smaller platform, and they can replace subsystems
with slimmer versions, if needed. They actually provided themselves with
a decent foundational platform once they got Windows Core going for them.
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From coderjoe69 at yahoo.com Fri May 10 14:13:35 2013
From: coderjoe69 at yahoo.com (Thad Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] M$* Blue
In-Reply-To: <518CFC8A.40206@gmail.com>
References: <1368045870.1650.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518BB779.1050009@branchadventures.org>
<1368136825.82201.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
<518C86B0.8020907@zuzax.com> <518CFC8A.40206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1368209615.31902.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
On 05/10/2013 09:56 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> So, Microsoft developed something called Windows Core. I forget if this
> started with Vista or Win7. I think Vista. Anyway, the purpose of
> Windows Core was to make the system much, much more modular. I forget
> what the minimum requirements for the fully stripped down core are, but
> I remember they sounded insanely low when announced.
I'm not sure about when the name came about, but that modularity was available
in the XP era with the Windows XP Embedded stuff. Using a DevStudio-like UI,
you could pick the packages you needed (including ones you created for your
program(s)), and the system would walk the dependency tree and pull in and
configure other packages that were needed, distilling down to an image you
could then deploy to your device. There were even options for if there should
be a boot logo (but I don't recall if it was customizable) and if video was even
needed.
From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri May 10 15:49:50 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:49:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
Message-ID:
**
Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
Message has implicit destination
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:
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Does this group now have a moderator?
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From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:02:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To:
References:
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On 05/10/2013 03:49 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> **
> Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
>
> NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Message has implicit destination
>
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:
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>
> Does this group now have a moderator?
NAFAIK. Can you post the headers of the message you sent (which it held)?
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From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:22:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To: <518D524B.3060503@gmail.com>
References:
<518D524B.3060503@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
from: grlug-bounces at grlug.orgto: bob.kline at gmail.com
date: Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:51 PMsubject: Your message to grlug awaits
moderator approvalmailing list: grlug.grlug.org Filter messages from this
mailing listmailed-by: grlug.org
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On 05/10/2013 03:49 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> > **
> > Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
> >
> > NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
> >
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >
> > The reason it is being held:
> >
> > Message has implicit destination
> >
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
> > this posting, please visit the following URL:
> > **
> >
> > Does this group now have a moderator?
>
> NAFAIK. Can you post the headers of the message you sent (which it held)?
>
>
>
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From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:54:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To:
References:
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On 05/10/2013 04:22 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> from: grlug-bounces at grlug.org
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> date: Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM
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> mailing list: grlug.grlug.org Filter messages
> from this mailing list
> mailed-by: grlug.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Michael Mol > wrote:
>
> On 05/10/2013 03:49 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> > **
> > Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
> >
> > NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
> >
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >
> > The reason it is being held:
> >
> > Message has implicit destination
> >
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
> > this posting, please visit the following URL:
> > **
> >
> > Does this group now have a moderator?
>
> NAFAIK. Can you post the headers of the message you sent (which it
> held)?
That's not what I meant. I want to see the headers of the message you
_sent_, not the message you received. (And I want all the headers, not
just the basics.)
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From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:14:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX: xxx
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From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:34:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - test
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From don.ellis at gmail.com Fri May 10 18:22:21 2013
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:22:21 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - test
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Passed, I think...
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> test
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
From jtr at jrichards.org Fri May 10 19:10:14 2013
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:10:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20130510231014.GA22044@rondo.celtics>
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 03:49:50PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> **
> Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
>
> NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Message has implicit destination
I've seen this with a mailing list I manage. Did you have additional
recipients specified (other than the GRLUG)?
--
john-thomas
------
Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes.
Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965)
From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri May 10 19:30:28 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:30:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To: <20130510231014.GA22044@rondo.celtics>
References:
<20130510231014.GA22044@rondo.celtics>
Message-ID:
No.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM, John-Thomas Richards wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 03:49:50PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > **
> > Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
> >
> > NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
> >
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >
> > The reason it is being held:
> >
> > Message has implicit destination
>
> I've seen this with a mailing list I manage. Did you have additional
> recipients specified (other than the GRLUG)?
> --
> john-thomas
> ------
> Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes.
> Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965)
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From geektoyz at gmail.com Sat May 11 10:27:19 2013
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] moderator?
In-Reply-To:
References:
<20130510231014.GA22044@rondo.celtics>
Message-ID:
I'll take a look...
On May 10, 2013 7:31 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote:
> No.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM, John-Thomas Richards wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 03:49:50PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
>> > **
>> > Your mail to 'grlug' with the subject
>> >
>> > NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
>> >
>> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>> >
>> > The reason it is being held:
>> >
>> > Message has implicit destination
>>
>> I've seen this with a mailing list I manage. Did you have additional
>> recipients specified (other than the GRLUG)?
>> --
>> john-thomas
>> ------
>> Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes.
>> Edgard Varese, composer (1885-1965)
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From ebever at researchintegration.org Sat May 11 10:40:57 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 10:40:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] brain dead re bootloader
Message-ID: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
My old (ca 2003) Sony is dual boot with an old fedora and XP. It's been
set for so long to boot directly to Windows that I can't remember how to
get the boot loader prompt to tell it to boot to fedora. Don't even
remember if it's GRUB or LILO.
Can anyone help me out here? I suspect it's LILO.
Thanks.
From patrick at upmerchants.com Sun May 12 08:04:48 2013
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:04:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] brain dead re bootloader
In-Reply-To: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <518F8560.9060602@upmerchants.com>
On 05/11/2013 10:40 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> My old (ca 2003) Sony is dual boot with an old fedora and XP. It's been
> set for so long to boot directly to Windows that I can't remember how to
> get the boot loader prompt to tell it to boot to fedora. Don't even
> remember if it's GRUB or LILO.
>
> Can anyone help me out here? I suspect it's LILO.
>
> Thanks.
>
Press the escape key when the boot menu appears.
Arrow up / down to select fedora.
In fedora update /boot/grub/grub.cfg for grub or /boot/menu.lst for lilo
(I think).
Update /etc/inittab for the default boot option.
Do a search for whichever boot loader you have for more info.
Patrick
From ebever at researchintegration.org Sun May 12 08:27:05 2013
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:27:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] brain dead re bootloader
In-Reply-To: <518F8560.9060602@upmerchants.com>
References: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518F8560.9060602@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <1368361625.1638.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Sun, 2013-05-12 at 08:04 -0400, Patrick Goupell wrote:
>
> On 05/11/2013 10:40 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > My old (ca 2003) Sony is dual boot with an old fedora and XP. It's been
> > set for so long to boot directly to Windows that I can't remember how to
> > get the boot loader prompt to tell it to boot to fedora. Don't even
> > remember if it's GRUB or LILO.
> >
> > Can anyone help me out here? I suspect it's LILO.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> Press the escape key when the boot menu appears.
>
> Arrow up / down to select fedora.
>
> In fedora update /boot/grub/grub.cfg for grub or /boot/menu.lst for lilo
> (I think).
>
> Update /etc/inittab for the default boot option.
>
> Do a search for whichever boot loader you have for more info.
>
> Patrick
The trouble is the boot menu is not showing at all. It goes directly to
Windows as the default. I wonder if maybe I set the time it waits before
going to default too short. If that's what happened, is there any way to
get at the boot menu?
I haven't had luck booting from a live CD since the CD drive mounts
through the pcmcia drive and at some point in the boot process (after
initially seeing the CD) the computer no longer finds it on the pcmcia.
From jeff at demaagd.com Sun May 12 09:06:00 2013
From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:06:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] brain dead re bootloader
In-Reply-To: <1368361625.1638.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518F8560.9060602@upmerchants.com>
<1368361625.1638.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID:
On May 12, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> The trouble is the boot menu is not showing at all. It goes directly to
> Windows as the default. I wonder if maybe I set the time it waits before
> going to default too short. If that's what happened, is there any way to
> get at the boot menu?
Hold down or repeatedly press the button during boot, I wonder if the boot loader has been replaced.
> I haven't had luck booting from a live CD since the CD drive mounts
> through the pcmcia drive and at some point in the boot process (after
> initially seeing the CD) the computer no longer finds it on the pcmcia.
Have you tried to boot from a USB stick?
Are you sure there is data on the Linux partition that needs to be saved?
From patrick at upmerchants.com Sun May 12 09:27:54 2013
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:27:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] brain dead re bootloader
In-Reply-To:
References: <1368283257.1653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<518F8560.9060602@upmerchants.com>
<1368361625.1638.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <518F98DA.4010309@upmerchants.com>
On 05/12/2013 09:06 AM, Jeff DeMaagd wrote:
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>> The trouble is the boot menu is not showing at all. It goes directly to
>> Windows as the default. I wonder if maybe I set the time it waits before
>> going to default too short. If that's what happened, is there any way to
>> get at the boot menu?
>
> Hold down or repeatedly press the button during boot, I wonder if the boot loader has been replaced.
>
>
Press the F8 key during boot for windows safe mode.
If it comes up then the mbr has been replaced with the windows loader.
You can reinstall grub or lilo if you want the current fedora system or
reinstall a current version.
Patrick
From bob.kline at gmail.com Sun May 12 14:29:44 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:29:44 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
Message-ID:
OK (mostly) guys, I'm attaching notes
from about 18 months ago when the group
censoring issue went around the last time.
Pretty clearly a number of strong willed
individuals still believe it's their role to
define the scope of discussion in this group,
and what I think has happened is that
someone attempted to overtly filter material
they don't like. The mention of a moderator
did not pop up by accident, and I believe it's
part of an unfinished attempt by someone to
explicitly block what they don't like. Ballsy
and arrogant, it is nevertheless what it seems.
I'm the one who started the "NOT LINUX"
subject line in an effort to appease what I'll
still call the gang of four, who, in the snippets
below, make their own case. They simply
don't like content they don't approve of, even
if it's trivial to avoid. The reasons strike me
as pure BS, since during the last 10 years
that I've participated in the group there was
mostly room for more general computer
discussions that people could participate in
or not, at their discretion.
So, I guess the group is mostly about about
those want answers to their IT job problems,
solutions to their hobby projects, and whatever
else they deem appropriate. I'll remind you of
the ever so interesting flame wars in the past
about posting at the top or bottom of e-mails.
If that wasn't inane I don't know the meaning
of the word. But many here participated with
gusto, as though the whole thing had any real
meaning at all. And of course there was
nervous Greg, who never could cope with the
notion of not getting his way, and left after a
few disparaging remarks about the rest of us
Neanderthals.
But there are limits to everything, and as
some here suggest, other venues. And of course
others with more wide ranging interests, even
within the scope of computing. So I'll be on
my way as well. Like Mike, I don't want my
bandwidth absorbed by anything I don't like -
all 600 GB a month of it. And like Dave
Pembroke, I shouldn't have to suffer affronts
to a pure world of narrow technological interests
just because some commercial yahoos want
to take over the Internet. Like him, I don't have
time for it any more either. Yup. I only know
what I like, and that's good enough for anybody.
To some of the rest of you, it's been a pleasure.
One learns things, and hopefully contributes a
little. Godwin, it would have been interesting to
see you at least once, but as a background
presence - to me anyway - the group is your
baby, and has mostly helped the world move
forward.
-- Bob
****************************
Adam Tauno Williams awilliam at whitemice.org
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to grlug
[all content removed]
I have no issue with the occasion off-topic post or thread-tangent ...
but this is getting *old*. The over-and-over "NOT LINUX" subject line
should indicate: find somewhere else to post - somewhere where this is
on-topic.
There *are* forums and lists dedicated to net-neutrality and related
issues [which all these "NOT LINUX' posts seem to be about]. Join one
of those if that is your focus. There isn't even any variety of topic
in this off-topic posts.
*****************************
David Pembrook david at pembrook.net
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to awilliam, Mailing
On 9/30/2011 11:16 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> [all content removed]
>
> I have no issue with the occasion off-topic post or thread-tangent ...
> but this is getting *old*. The over-and-over "NOT LINUX" subject line
> should indicate: find somewhere else to post - somewhere where this is
> on-topic.
>
> There *are* forums and lists dedicated to net-neutrality and related
> issues [which all these "NOT LINUX' posts seem to be about]. Join one
> of those if that is your focus. There isn't even any variety of topic
> in this off-topic posts.
****************************
Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to awilliam, Mailing
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
wrote:
> [all content removed]
>
> I have no issue with the occasion off-topic post or thread-tangent ...
> but this is getting *old*. The over-and-over "NOT LINUX" subject line
> should indicate: find somewhere else to post - somewhere where this is
> on-topic.
>
> There *are* forums and lists dedicated to net-neutrality and related
> issues [which all these "NOT LINUX' posts seem to be about]. Join one
> of those if that is your focus. There isn't even any variety of topic
> in this off-topic posts.
Concur. Even within the topic, it's rehashing the same points over and
over again. It's really, really old. I wasn't going to bite on this
last one, but I'm happy to agree that it's not useful or interesting
on this list any more.
***************************
Benjamin Flanders flanderb at gmail.com
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to Mailing
Nothing against any of you, you are all more knowledgeable than I, but
I say whats the damage? I don't particularly watch the politics, but
I just ignore the threads I don't want to read. Gmail makes this easy
with "mute"(others should have this feature as well) but I don't even
go that far, I usually open skim then archive. if it a thread I don't
even want to skim, I just archive. No harm no foul.
I kinda have to agree with Bob on this. Why tamp down ANY discussion,
when it is easy to just ignore or mute it. You might create an
environment where newbies are afraid to ask a question.
Just my thoughts
Share and Enjoy
Ben
*************************
Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to Mailing
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Benjamin Flanders
wrote:
> Nothing against any of you, you are all more knowledgeable than I, but
> I say whats the damage? I don't particularly watch the politics, but
> I just ignore the threads I don't want to read. Gmail makes this easy
> with "mute"(others should have this feature as well) but I don't even
> go that far, I usually open skim then archive. if it a thread I don't
> even want to skim, I just archive. No harm no foul.
>
> I kinda have to agree with Bob on this. Why tamp down ANY discussion,
> when it is easy to just ignore or mute it. You might create an
> environment where newbies are afraid to ask a question.
>
> Just my thoughts
It doesn't stop those of us with smartphones from receiving email
after email, alert after alert on the subject. (A little harder to
filter things out that way)
************************
Steve Romanow slestak989 at gmail.com
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to Mailing
Mute works on droid gmail app. Just saying.
*************************
mailtonick mailtonick at gmail.com
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to Mailing
Most users on here are intelligent enough to determine if the (off)
topic is relevant to the group. Some of these OTs are interesting, and
surely some are WTF?s.
In any case, a quick filter for "off topic" OR "not linux", and delete
solves the problem for me.
- Nick
****************************
David Pembrook david at pembrook.net
via
grlug.org
9/30/11
to Mailing
That really doesn't work as threads evolve and the subject doesn't always
change with the topic. Sure you can add the filter but unless we create
rules for identifying off topic threads, your going to delete more mail
than intended in the long run. With mail going to multiple devices on
multiple platforms its a pain in the neck.
This is really about what we want to talk about as a group here. What about
religion? We have politics now...
The person who started this when criticized, had to get personal calling us
a gang of 4. He just shows how weak his position is that way. I would label
his comments more against free speech than those of us that would like
political topics in political forums. I like a good political discussion,
but is that what this forum is about?
This isn't about one post, this is about long off topic threads.
Dave
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From brousch at gmail.com Sun May 12 16:03:34 2013
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:03:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Bob,
I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no
moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A
policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion
has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group
mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation,
then it isn't happening.
In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam
filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word
"hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible
that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that
message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that
you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the
bounce came from them.
I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being
moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic
discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
--
Ben Rousch
brousch at gmail.com
http://clusterbleep.net/
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From bob.kline at gmail.com Sun May 12 16:23:41 2013
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:23:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hi Ben --
I don't intend to discuss this much, but
I had no CC in my message, and there
isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
repeat that individuals have their own ideas
about this, but in my ten years there's never
been a statement about what's considered
on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated
by strong willed individuals who can't be
bothered to ignore anything that's not of
interest to them. There's more chatter
generated by a few in response to a message
they deem inappropriate than would have
been the case by deleting it and moving on.
It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word
on it. But I'm done with it all.
-- Bob
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no
> moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A
> policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion
> has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group
> mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation,
> then it isn't happening.
>
> In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam
> filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word
> "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible
> that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that
> message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that
> you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the
> bounce came from them.
>
> I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being
> moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic
> discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
>
> --
> Ben Rousch
> brousch at gmail.com
> http://clusterbleep.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From grlugcasey at gmail.com Sun May 12 16:58:38 2013
From: grlugcasey at gmail.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:58:38 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <6EE936F6-9481-4332-B478-C8318EF3ABEE@gmail.com>
I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing intentional going on here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message it will work fine.
Regards,
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
On May 12, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
> Hi Ben --
>
> I don't intend to discuss this much, but
> I had no CC in my message, and there
> isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
> unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
>
> As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
> gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
> repeat that individuals have their own ideas
> about this, but in my ten years there's never
> been a statement about what's considered
> on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated
> by strong willed individuals who can't be
> bothered to ignore anything that's not of
> interest to them. There's more chatter
> generated by a few in response to a message
> they deem inappropriate than would have
> been the case by deleting it and moving on.
>
> It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word
> on it. But I'm done with it all.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation, then it isn't happening.
>>
>> In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the bounce came from them.
>>
>> I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
>>
>> --
>> Ben Rousch
>> brousch at gmail.com
>> http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From van at dedserius.com Sun May 12 17:17:26 2013
From: van at dedserius.com (Van)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:17:26 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
In-Reply-To: <6EE936F6-9481-4332-B478-C8318EF3ABEE@gmail.com>
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Bob:
There is nothing nefarious going on here. Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes Jennings and I created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for businesses and souls in the west Michigan area better than any moderator I've ever observed. You can put me down for 18 years UNIX experience, if that's even relevant.
While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning, a better way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator) the specific messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.
This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic open source technologies.
I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here. Hope you do stay and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.
Peace,
Van
On May 12, 2013, at 13:58, Casey DuBois wrote:
> I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing intentional going on here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message it will work fine.
>
> Regards,
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben --
>>
>> I don't intend to discuss this much, but
>> I had no CC in my message, and there
>> isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
>> unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
>>
>> As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
>> gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
>> repeat that individuals have their own ideas
>> about this, but in my ten years there's never
>> been a statement about what's considered
>> on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated
>> by strong willed individuals who can't be
>> bothered to ignore anything that's not of
>> interest to them. There's more chatter
>> generated by a few in response to a message
>> they deem inappropriate than would have
>> been the case by deleting it and moving on.
>>
>> It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word
>> on it. But I'm done with it all.
>>
>> -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation, then it isn't happening.
>>>
>>> In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the bounce came from them.
>>>
>>> I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ben Rousch
>>> brousch at gmail.com
>>> http://clusterbleep.net/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
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From geektoyz at gmail.com Sun May 12 18:10:47 2013
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:10:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
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Greets Bob, et. al.,
Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification). I
assure you I did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than
what default behavior Mailman applies). Looking that the held message's
headers, it seems the list's email address was not explicitly listed, but
rather BCC'd. See message header:
Return-Path:
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Received: from grlug.org ([127.0.0.1])
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:46:54 -0400
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Subject: NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
*From: Bob Kline *
*To: undisclosed-recipients:;*
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The bounce notification you received was due to Mailman's default config -
where the list has to be explicitly listed as a recipient.
Just to clarify, I like to think of the LUG as self-owned. :-) As Van
pointed out, he, Wes, Eric and others had something here in GR going when I
found them (while at E.M.U). I came from the Ypsilanti LUG and together we
got this one off the ground. I'd like to think its members make the LUG
and, as my kids often remind me, you can't own people, it belongs to all of
us - yes Bob you as well.
If you'd like to come back, and I speak for myself, I'd welcome you.
thanks,
Godwin
P.S. An honorable mention goes to those of you who presently hold the LUG
together (you know who you are), as we "old timers" have as
much involvement as our schedules allow. Thanks to you all.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Van wrote:
> Bob:
>
> There is nothing nefarious going on here. Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes
> Jennings and I created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for
> businesses and souls in the west Michigan area better than any moderator
> I've ever observed. You can put me down for 18 years UNIX experience, if
> that's even relevant.
>
> While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning,
> a better way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator)
> the specific messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.
>
> This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic
> open source technologies.
>
> I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here. Hope
> you do stay and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.
>
> Peace,
> Van
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 13:58, Casey DuBois wrote:
>
> I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing
> intentional going on here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message
> it will work fine.
>
> Regards,
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Bob Kline wrote:
>
> Hi Ben --
>
> I don't intend to discuss this much, but
> I had no CC in my message, and there
> isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
> unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
>
> As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
> gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
> repeat that individuals have their own ideas
> about this, but in my ten years there's never
> been a statement about what's considered
> on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated
> by strong willed individuals who can't be
> bothered to ignore anything that's not of
> interest to them. There's more chatter
> generated by a few in response to a message
> they deem inappropriate than would have
> been the case by deleting it and moving on.
>
> It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word
> on it. But I'm done with it all.
>
> -- Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I'm not sure where that moderator message came from, but there is no
>> moderator and no one is intentionally attempting to moderate the group. A
>> policy like that would have been discussed publicly, and no such discussion
>> has occurred. Godwin is the only one with the necessary access to the group
>> mail server to enable such a thing. If he says he hasn't enable moderation,
>> then it isn't happening.
>>
>> In the past, we have had intermittent problems with the automated spam
>> filter. For instance, messages that I and others sent containing the word
>> "hackerspace" were automatically deleted about 3 years ago. It is possible
>> that your email contained a keyword that triggered the filter, but that
>> message would just been deleted, not bounced. Another possibility is that
>> you (unintentionally) CCed a moderated mailing list in that email, and the
>> bounce came from them.
>>
>> I would hate to see you leave the group because you think it is being
>> moderated. Although many people would prefer to see fewer off-topic
>> discussions, we have no intention of moderating the list.
>>
>> --
>> Ben Rousch
>> brousch at gmail.com
>> http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
--
Ubber::Geek
http://grlug.org/
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From eric at erichartwell.net Sun May 12 20:30:49 2013
From: eric at erichartwell.net (Eric)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 19:30:49 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
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top posting to be out of place.
here! here! Bob, you are welcome as far as I'm concerned.
On Sunday, May 12, 2013 18:10:47 Godwin wrote:
Greets Bob, et. al.,
Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification). I assure you I
did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than what default behavior Mailman
applies). Looking that the held message's headers, it seems the list's email address
was not explicitly listed, but rather BCC'd. See message header:
Return-Path:
X-Original-To: grlug at grlug.org[2]
Received: from grlug.org[3] ([127.0.0.1])
by localhost (maya.grlug.org[4] [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
with ESMTP id 9SLFsldUSVhH for ;
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Received-SPF: Pass (sender SPF authorized) identity=mailfrom; client-
ip=209.85.212.43; helo=mail-vb0-f43.google.com[5]; envelope-
from=bob.kline at gmail.com[1]; receiver=grlug at grlug.org[2]
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:46:54 -0400
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Subject: NOT LINUX: "Hollywood" tries again.
*From: Bob Kline *
*To: undisclosed-recipients:;*
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d6264d402b004dc626d51
The bounce notification you received was due to Mailman's default config - where the
list has to be explicitly listed as a recipient.
Just to clarify, I like to think of the LUG as self-owned. :-) As Van pointed out, he, Wes,
Eric and others had something here in GR going when I found them (while at E.M.U). I
came from the Ypsilanti LUG and together we got this one off the ground. I'd like to
think its members make the LUG and, as my kids often remind me, you can't own
people, it belongs to all of us - yes Bob you as well.
If you'd like to come back, and I speak for myself, I'd welcome you.
thanks,
Godwin
P.S. An honorable mention goes to those of you who presently hold the LUG together
(you know who you are), as we "old timers" have as much involvement as our
schedules allow. Thanks to you all.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Van wrote:
Bob:
There is nothing nefarious going on here. Godwin runs the GRLUG Wes Jennings and I
created in 1999 to forward Linux as a viable OS solution for businesses and souls in
the west Michigan area better than any moderator I've ever observed. You can put me
down for 18 years UNIX experience, if that's even relevant.
While your assessment that your posts have been moderated are concerning, a better
way to deal with it would be to forward Godwin (current moderator) the specific
messages you believe are indicated, so they can be addressed.
This group is about forwarding and discussing free-thinking, democratic open source
technologies.
I support your moving on, if you choose, but that's our goal here. Hope you do stay
and can help us continue to succeed in getting that message out.
Peace,
Van
grlugcasey at gmail.com[8]> wrote:
I still get filtered sometimes and can assure you there's nothing intentional going on
here. I'm thinking if you try again with a new message it will work fine.
Regards,
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942[9]
bob.kline at gmail.com[1]> wrote:
Hi Ben --
I don't intend to discuss this much, but
I had no CC in my message, and there
isn't much room for filtering in "NOT LINUX,"
unless intentionally taken as a phrase.
As for "off-topic discussions," that simply
gets back to what's on-topic. I'll simply
repeat that individuals have their own ideas
about this, but in my ten years there's never
been a statement about what's considered
on-topic. It's seat of the pants, or dictated
by strong willed individuals who can't be
bothered to ignore anything that's not of
interest to them. There's more chatter
generated by a few in response to a message
they deem inappropriate than would have
been the case by deleting it and moving on.
It's Godwin's group. He can be the final word
on it. But I'm done with it all.
-- Bob
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From mikemol at gmail.com Sun May 12 22:20:19 2013
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:20:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] So long.
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On 05/12/2013 06:10 PM, Godwin wrote:
> Greets Bob, et. al.,
>
> Sorry to see you go Bob (as I noticed the unsubscribe notification). I
> assure you I did/do not explicitly filter/moderate the list (other than
> what default behavior Mailman applies). Looking that the held message's
> headers, it seems the list's email address was not explicitly listed,
> but rather BCC'd. See message header:
>
> Return-Path: >
> X-Original-To: grlug at grlug.org