From casey at grlug.org Sun Mar 3 20:17:03 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:17:03 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Makers getting noticed Message-ID: Hey All, I wanted to share this article from Jason @ Atomic Object that brings attention to our group and progress. Please share and promote this article. http://goo.gl/WnD0V Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 16:17:54 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:17:54 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl Message-ID: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep my gmail tab open for Google Voice. One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't want to do. What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 03/05/2013 04:20 PM, Jonathon Klobucar wrote: > You mean this > right? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/muttator/ > > -- Jon > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > >> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep >> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. >> >> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys >> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" >> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't >> want to do. >> >> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? >> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years ago. Lee From mikemol at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 16:25:54 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:25:54 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <513662E2.4040501@gmail.com> On 03/05/2013 04:24 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep >> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. >> >> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys >> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" >> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't >> want to do. >> >> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? >> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) >> > Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > vi/vim is quite happy with > ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years > ago. Fee Fi Fo Fum I smell the blood of an Emacson. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Wed Mar 6 09:04:29 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:04:29 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep > > my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > > > > One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys > > to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" > > instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't > > want to do. > > > > What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? > > (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) > > > Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > vi/vim is quite happy with > ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years > ago. Troll. ;) I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. -- john-thomas ------ If the world ever advances beyond what it is today, it must be led by men who express their real opinions. Robert G. Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899) From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:06:14 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:06:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <51374D56.6000609@gmail.com> On 03/06/2013 09:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. >>> >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't >>> want to do. >>> >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) >>> >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - >> vi/vim is quite happy with >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. >> >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years >> ago. > > Troll. ;) > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > vim. 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Lammert wrote: > >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep > >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > >>> > >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys > >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" > >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't > >>> want to do. > >>> > >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? > >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) > >>> > >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > >> vi/vim is quite happy with > >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > >> > >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years > >> ago. > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > > Wow. I think I just realized the only useful (for me) property of > Ubuntu's Mir display architecture... Was it something I said? -- john-thomas ------ The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected. The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June, 1972 From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:16:49 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:16:49 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: <20130306141540.GD22060@rondo.celtics> References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> <51374D56.6000609@gmail.com> <20130306141540.GD22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I was just teasing you. Muttator is cool. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: > > On 03/06/2013 09:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only > keep > > >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > > >>> > > >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation > keys > > >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move > "down" > > >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't > > >>> want to do. > > >>> > > >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? > > >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this > moment) > > >>> > > >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > > >> vi/vim is quite happy with > > > >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > > >> > > >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 > years > > >> ago. > > > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing > j > > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not > in > > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > > > > > Wow. I think I just realized the only useful (for me) property of > > Ubuntu's Mir display architecture... > > Was it something I said? > -- > john-thomas > ------ > The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected. > The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June, 1972 > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lammert wrote: > > > >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only > > keep > > > >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > > > >>> > > > >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation > > keys > > > >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move > > "down" > > > >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't > > > >>> want to do. > > > >>> > > > >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? > > > >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this > > moment) > > > >>> > > > >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > > > >> vi/vim is quite happy with > > > > > >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > > > >> > > > >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 > > years > > > >> ago. > > > > > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing > > j > > > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not > > in > > > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > > > > > > > > Wow. I think I just realized the only useful (for me) property of > > > Ubuntu's Mir display architecture... > > > > Was it something I said? > > > I was just teasing you. Muttator is cool. I meant that for Mike. I'm wondering what the useful property of Mir is. Muttator is cool. It'd be really cool to be able to navigate my entire DE with vim commands for scrolling, paging, etc. I use e17 in part because it, though being a gui, is quite easy to use with the keyboard. -- john-thomas ------ Political freedom cannot exist in any land where religion controls the state, and religious freedom cannot exist in any land where the state controls religion. Samuel James Ervin Jr., lawyer, judge, and senator (1896-1985) From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:24:15 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:24:15 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: <20130306142256.GF22060@rondo.celtics> References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> <51374D56.6000609@gmail.com> <20130306141540.GD22060@rondo.celtics> <20130306142256.GF22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: vimperator is the firefox plugin from the same author On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:16:49AM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM, John-Thomas Richards >wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: > > > > On 03/06/2013 09:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > > > >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only > > > keep > > > > >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style > navigation > > > keys > > > > >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move > > > "down" > > > > >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much > don't > > > > >>> want to do. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of > Thunderbird? > > > > >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this > > > moment) > > > > >>> > > > > >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC > keyboard - > > > > >> vi/vim is quite happy with > > > > > > > >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > > > > >> > > > > >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from > 30 > > > years > > > > >> ago. > > > > > > > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > > > > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively > pressing > > > j > > > > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm > not > > > in > > > > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. I think I just realized the only useful (for me) property of > > > > Ubuntu's Mir display architecture... > > > > > > Was it something I said? > > > > > I was just teasing you. Muttator is cool. > > I meant that for Mike. I'm wondering what the useful property of Mir is. > > Muttator is cool. 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I created a new partition since fdisk rightly claimed there was no partition. As soon as I wrote the changes my box mounted the drive and the lone file that had been on the drive before I wiped it clean and created a new partition is still on the drive and is accessible. This is weird. The original problem is gone, though (only one partition now). -- john-thomas ------ Try to learn something about everything and everything about something. Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist (1825-1895) From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:32:54 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:32:54 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mir (was: Re: Thunderbird and hjkl ) In-Reply-To: <20130306141540.GD22060@rondo.celtics> References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> <51374D56.6000609@gmail.com> <20130306141540.GD22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <51375396.9010508@gmail.com> On 03/06/2013 09:15 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: >> On 03/06/2013 09:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: >>>>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep >>>>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. >>>>> >>>>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys >>>>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" >>>>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't >>>>> want to do. >>>>> >>>>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? >>>>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) >>>>> >>>> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - >>>> vi/vim is quite happy with >>>> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. >>>> >>>> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years >>>> ago. >>> >>> Troll. ;) >>> >>> I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j >>> k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in >>> vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. >>> >> >> Wow. I think I just realized the only useful (for me) property of >> Ubuntu's Mir display architecture... > > Was it something I said? > Well, Mir's model demands that all input be funnelled through its own input manager. It knows when you are typing. It knows when you have clicked. It knows when you have caps lock on... In a GUI, that would be the place to inject command mode/interactive mode distinctions, and possibly tie-ins to a widget framework. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And you call ME a Troll ?? Lee From jtr at jrichards.org Wed Mar 6 09:45:59 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <20130306144559.GH22060@rondo.celtics> On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 08:35:53AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years > > > ago. > > > > Troll. ;) > > > Maybe, .. > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > So, .. you want to fiddle with ALL applications just to match ONE so > arcane that it doesn't support keys on a modern keyboard that has, in > itself, been standard for 20 years? And you call ME a Troll ?? Yup. And it _does_ support keys on a modern keyboard; my Logitech keyboard is less than a year old and it has hjkl, all right in a row, just as one would expect. (And yes, I know the origins of those letters as navigation keys.) Arcane? Bah. Everything is intuitive once you know it. I haven't thought about how to move around in vim in a long time. That's why I find myself in LibreOffice Calc hitting h, j, k, or l and then hitting ESC when I realize I'm in "insert mode," only to realize further that I'm not in vim. -- john-thomas ------ Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around. Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998) From leapole at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:52:53 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 06:52:53 -0800 Subject: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl In-Reply-To: <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> References: <51366102.7030802@gmail.com> <20130306140428.GC22060@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: You should get a Mac and learn emacs. Most emac commands work in most Mac applications like kill and yank. Hopefully we get a third person with another idea and we can be a trio of trolls On Mar 6, 2013, at 6:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. >>> >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move "down" >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't >>> want to do. >>> >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this moment) >>> >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - >> vi/vim is quite happy with >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. >> >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 years >> ago. > > Troll. ;) > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > If the world ever advances beyond what it is today, it must be led by men > who express their real opinions. > Robert G. Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From detrix42 at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 11:24:32 2013 From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:24:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo Message-ID: Hi, I was going to do a Blender demo a few weeks back, but was unable to make it (and the following week). If anyone is still interested in seeing a blender demo, I will bring my computer, unless some one is willing to let me user their laptop, but I need a keyboard with a Number Pad. Let me know if you would like me to do this. Jeret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From chrischocko at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 11:46:00 2013 From: chrischocko at gmail.com (Chris Chocko) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:46:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo Message-ID: I'd be interested. I used to use 2.49 and would love to have someone run through the current one. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM, wrote: > Send grlug mailing list submissions to > grlug at grlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > grlug-request at grlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > grlug-owner at grlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of grlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (L. V. Lammert) > 2. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (John-Thomas Richards) > 3. Re: Thunderbird and hjkl (Josh) > 4. Blender demo (detrix42 at gmail.com) > 5. Re: Blender demo (Casey DuBois) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:35:53 -0600 (CST) > From: "L. V. Lammert" > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 > years > > > ago. > > > > Troll. ;) > > > Maybe, .. > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > So, .. you want to fiddle with ALL applications just to match ONE so > arcane that it doesn't support keys on a modern keyboard that has, in > itself, been standard for 20 years? And you call ME a Troll ?? > > Lee > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:45:59 -0500 > From: John-Thomas Richards > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl > Message-ID: <20130306144559.GH22060 at rondo.celtics> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 08:35:53AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > > > > > > That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 > years > > > > ago. > > > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > > Maybe, .. > > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing > j > > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not > in > > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > > > > So, .. you want to fiddle with ALL applications just to match ONE so > > arcane that it doesn't support keys on a modern keyboard that has, in > > itself, been standard for 20 years? And you call ME a Troll ?? > > Yup. And it _does_ support keys on a modern keyboard; my Logitech > keyboard is less than a year old and it has hjkl, all right in a row, > just as one would expect. (And yes, I know the origins of those letters > as navigation keys.) > > Arcane? Bah. Everything is intuitive once you know it. I haven't thought > about how to move around in vim in a long time. That's why I find myself > in LibreOffice Calc hitting h, j, k, or l and then hitting ESC when I > realize I'm in "insert mode," only to realize further that I'm not in > vim. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a > listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of > which have the potential to turn a life around. > Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 06:52:53 -0800 > From: Josh > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Thunderbird and hjkl > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > You should get a Mac and learn emacs. Most emac commands work in most Mac > applications like kill and yank. > > Hopefully we get a third person with another idea and we can be a trio of > trolls > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 6:04 AM, John-Thomas Richards > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:24:16PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >>> So, I've taken to using Thunderbird pretty much full-time; I only keep > >>> my gmail tab open for Google Voice. > >>> > >>> One problem I've run into is my habit of using vi-style navigation keys > >>> to move around...in Thunderbird, the key I habitually hit to move > "down" > >>> instead marks messages as junk--which is something I very much don't > >>> want to do. > >>> > >>> What exists for applying vi-style interfaces on top of Thunderbird? > >>> (And, no, dropping to a CLI mail client is not an option at this > moment) > >>> > >> Ahh, .. you'd be far better off actually using a current PC keyboard - > >> vi/vim is quite happy with > >> ! (Unless you're on a Mac, .. never touched one of those, .. > >> > >> That way you don't get yourself in trouble using keystrokes from 30 > years > >> ago. > > > > Troll. ;) > > > > I spend so much time in vim often I find myself instinctively pressing j > > k h l in all kinds of apps, only to discover (remember?) that I'm not in > > vim. A vim navigation overlay would be incredible across all apps. > > -- > > john-thomas > > ------ > > If the world ever advances beyond what it is today, it must be led by men > > who express their real opinions. > > Robert G. Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899) > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:24:32 -0500 > From: "detrix42 at gmail.com" > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo > Message-ID: > < > CALeuQmftDgE4GM3x9ZSMsJCfA3G_4OaTjRzNa_Rq9KKDmp6mFw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, I was going to do a Blender demo a few weeks back, but was unable to > make it (and the following week). If anyone is still interested in seeing > a blender demo, I will bring my computer, unless some one is willing to let > me user their laptop, but I need a keyboard with a Number Pad. > > Let me know if you would like me to do this. > > Jeret > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130306/81ddac64/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:26:59 -0500 > From: Casey DuBois > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Blender demo > Message-ID: > LXzLHXS_9rVuuE-b-7-FeiBer1nyyQr1y3zDQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Jeret, > I can have a computer and screen for you to use for a demo if you want. > Casey > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com >wrote: > > > Hi, I was going to do a Blender demo a few weeks back, but was unable to > > make it (and the following week). If anyone is still interested in > seeing > > a blender demo, I will bring my computer, unless some one is willing to > let > > me user their laptop, but I need a keyboard with a Number Pad. > > > > Let me know if you would like me to do this. > > > > Jeret > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130306/1c33beff/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > End of grlug Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5 > ************************************ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Casey On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote: > Casey, if the computer has the latest version of blender (at least > Ver.2.63), that will be just great. > > Jeret > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 13:54:28 2013 From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:54:28 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513790E4.2000607@gmail.com> I'm putting it on my computer as i need it anyway - you can use my computer for the demo. On 03/06/2013 01:39 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hey Jeret, > I was hoping to use my notebook but my work has it LOCKED DOWN so I > won't be able to load the software... > I'm hoping someone else on the list would have a copy of Blender > loaded on a notebook you could use or we can try loading onto my > workstation tonight. > Casey > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM, detrix42 at gmail.com > > wrote: > > Casey, if the computer has the latest version of blender (at least > Ver.2.63), that will be just great. > > Jeret > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 16:30:35 2013 From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:30:35 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Blender demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5137B57B.5010504@gmail.com> thats ok. i need to learn to use the program anyway :D On 03/06/2013 03:07 PM, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote: > Hey Kelly, thanks, but I will bring in my desktop. I would like to > show folks there my setup. Nothing real fancy but I just bought an 8 > core AMD with a super sized heat sink. The heat sink is all one can > really see but I thinks it kinda neat. > > So Casey, I just need a way to hook my desktop up to the big screen. > > Jeret > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Mar 7 10:35:49 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:35:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation Message-ID: Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. Thanks! Lee From mfarver at mindbent.org Thu Mar 7 10:50:27 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:50:27 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally I've found one of the consumer grade routers with the after market firmwares (ddWRT OpenWRT) to be acceptable up to the 10mbps level. After that you will probably need to consider a commercial router. I don't have a suggestion of a small business router.. I've found most of them to be lousy. Some of the small business firewalls are good if you need it..I've had good luck with sonicwall stuff. Mark On Mar 7, 2013 10:36 AM, "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would > anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5138B7AC.9000904@gmail.com> pfsense (router distro on top of x86 hardware) generally works pretty well, though they're still not there with IPv6 yet. I'm currently using a Debian machine as a router. On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > Generally I've found one of the consumer grade routers with the after > market firmwares (ddWRT OpenWRT) to be acceptable up to the 10mbps > level. After that you will probably need to consider a commercial > router. I don't have a suggestion of a small business router.. I've > found most of them to be lousy. Some of the small business firewalls > are good if you need it..I've had good luck with sonicwall stuff. > > Mark > > On Mar 7, 2013 10:36 AM, "L. V. Lammert" > wrote: > > Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would > anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 10:52:39 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 10:52:39 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> I ordered mine from Streakwave back in November...and they still haven't shipped it. On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: > Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM, L. V. Lammert > wrote: > > Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would > anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From parsleyfirefly at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 10:54:09 2013 From: parsleyfirefly at gmail.com (Dagny Mol) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:54:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> References: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: It was supposed to arrive in November, I think you ordered it a couple months before that. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > I ordered mine from Streakwave back in November...and they still haven't > shipped it. > > On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: >> Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM, L. V. Lammert > > wrote: >> >> Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would >> anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Lee >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 11:06:55 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:06:55 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5138BB1F.9040600@gmail.com> It was supposed to ship to resellers in November. Looks like I ordered it from Streakwave November 1st, followed up November 5th...and it still hasn't arrived. Last I talked with Streakwave, they didn't yet have an ETA. On 03/07/2013 10:54 AM, Dagny Mol wrote: > It was supposed to arrive in November, I think you ordered it a couple > months before that. > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> I ordered mine from Streakwave back in November...and they still haven't >> shipped it. >> >> On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: >>> Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM, L. V. Lammert >> > wrote: >>> >>> Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would >>> anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? 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If you think it's relevant, could you please pass this along? http://www.hexarmor.com/employment I actually *just* started working here, and already I cannot speak highly enough of the HexArmor team, company culture, products. So it's an awesome opportunity, and you're welcome to share this with anyone and everyone you think might be interested. :) Hope you're having a great week! Cheers, Jess --- *Jessica Rohloff* | superconnector email: jessrohloff at gmail.com mobile: 504.553.7500 follow: @jessnola "There's no such thing as too good to be true." -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Mar 7 12:43:57 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 12:43:57 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362678237.3227.0.camel@p105s6207.site> On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 09:35 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would > anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. Buy a used Cisco 28xx series router off E-Bay. It will handle a *lot* of traffic, and will be extremely reliable. From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Mar 7 12:59:07 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:59:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Richard Nienhuis wrote: > Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. > Cool! Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Mar 7 13:04:53 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:04:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: <1362678237.3227.0.camel@p105s6207.site> References: <1362678237.3227.0.camel@p105s6207.site> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Buy a used Cisco 28xx series router off E-Bay. It will handle a *lot* > of traffic, and will be extremely reliable. > It looks like a Cisco RV180W has a GigE network switch, .. and we can probably live with the WiFi; it does n & most VPN clients. Thanks for the suggestions! Lee From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 13:42:11 2013 From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:42:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Web Developer Job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5138DF83.8030805@gmail.com> I also saw an article this morning that said Baudville is looking for two web devs. http://www.rapidgrowthmedia.com/innovationnews/03072013baudville.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RapidGrowth+%28Rapid+Growth%29&utm_content=Google+Reader On 3/7/13 12:25 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I know there are a couple of you looking for a new gig and wanted to > share this opportunity with everyone. > There are other opportunities here also. > > If any of you get this gig I will need a set of these gloves. > > Regards, > Casey > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Jessica Rohloff* > > Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:13 PM > Subject: Web Developer Job > To: Casey DuBois > > > > Hey Casey- > > The company I work for, HexArmor, is hiring a Web Developer (among > other things), and I wondered if anyone in GR Makers would be > interested. If you think it's relevant, could you please pass this along? > > http://www.hexarmor.com/employment > > I actually *just* started working here, and already I cannot speak > highly enough of the HexArmor team, company culture, products. So it's > an awesome opportunity, and you're welcome to share this with anyone > and everyone you think might be interested. :) > > Hope you're having a great week! > > Cheers, > Jess > > --- > > *Jessica Rohloff* | superconnector > > email: jessrohloff at gmail.com > mobile: 504.553.7500 > follow: @jessnola > > > "There's no such thing as too good to be true." > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Steven Scherbinski wrote: > I also saw an article this morning that said Baudville is looking for two > web devs. > > http://www.rapidgrowthmedia.com/innovationnews/03072013baudville.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RapidGrowth+%28Rapid+Growth%29&utm_content=Google+Reader > > > > On 3/7/13 12:25 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I know there are a couple of you looking for a new gig and wanted to share > this opportunity with everyone. > There are other opportunities here also. > > If any of you get this gig I will need a set of these gloves. > > Regards, > Casey > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jessica Rohloff > Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:13 PM > Subject: Web Developer Job > To: Casey DuBois > > > Hey Casey- > > The company I work for, HexArmor, is hiring a Web Developer (among other > things), and I wondered if anyone in GR Makers would be interested. If you > think it's relevant, could you please pass this along? > > http://www.hexarmor.com/employment > > I actually *just* started working here, and already I cannot speak highly > enough of the HexArmor team, company culture, products. So it's an awesome > opportunity, and you're welcome to share this with anyone and everyone you > think might be interested. :) > > Hope you're having a great week! > > Cheers, > Jess > > --- > > Jessica Rohloff | superconnector > > email: jessrohloff at gmail.com > mobile: 504.553.7500 > follow: @jessnola > > > "There's no such thing as too good to be true." > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Mar 8 06:11:50 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:11:50 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1362678237.3227.0.camel@p105s6207.site> Message-ID: <1362741110.8010.5.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 12:04 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Buy a used Cisco 28xx series router off E-Bay. It will handle a *lot* > > of traffic, and will be extremely reliable. > It looks like a Cisco RV180W has a GigE network switch, .. and we can > probably live with the WiFi; it does n & most VPN clients. Beware that Cisco purchased Linksys. Many of there non-numeric named products are crap running a crippled OS, terrible management interfaces, and lots of technical limitations. The glossies look good, but then you log into them... and urg! None of the massive amount of Cisco documentation [all about IOS] will apply to the whack-job one-off device you end up with, probably that device will have few updates and a very short supported life. Unless the product is specifically listed as an IOS device, and *NOT* "IOS-lite", I wouldn't touch it wearing latex gloves and holding a 50ft. pole. Seriously, a 48 port switch where no defined vLAN could involve more than 24 ports??? WTF! If you leave IOS that is the kind of retard stuff you'll run into. You will be confident I-can-do-X-and-Y until you try and you can't because of some totally off-the-@&&@*@-wall limitation nobody who can add 2 and 2 would ever expect to encounter. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 08:56:55 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 08:56:55 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: <5139EE27.30505@gmail.com> Would there be interest in a Gentoo training session? Honestly, the hardest part of Gentoo is getting the initial install right. 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Knowing more about build tools is never a bad thing - that magick is always there, swirling about underneath, regardless of how deeply obscured. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Mar 8 09:13:20 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:13:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Autotools Tutorial(s) [Was Gentoo] In-Reply-To: <1362751675.4931.5.camel@localhost> References: <5139EE27.30505@gmail.com> <1362751675.4931.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1362752000.4931.7.camel@localhost> > Knowing more > about build tools is never a bad thing - that magick is always there, > swirling about underneath, regardless of how deeply obscured. This topic made me think of this link: A tutorial on autotools for which the author deserves a pulitzer. This goes into that intimidating topic as well: -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 09:34:41 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:34:41 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Autotools Tutorial(s) [Was Gentoo] In-Reply-To: <1362752000.4931.7.camel@localhost> References: <5139EE27.30505@gmail.com> <1362751675.4931.5.camel@localhost> <1362752000.4931.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5139F701.3060207@gmail.com> On 03/08/2013 09:13 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >> Knowing more >> about build tools is never a bad thing - that magick is always there, >> swirling about underneath, regardless of how deeply obscured. > > This topic made me think of this link: > > > > A tutorial on autotools for which the author deserves a pulitzer. > > This goes into that intimidating topic as well: > > There's also the Autotools Mythbuster, maintained by a Gentoo developer who took it upon himself to do build a system whose job is to attempt to rebuild all of the packages available in Gentoo using all of the compile-time feature enable/disable switch combinations possible. https://gitorious.org/autotools-mythbuster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am used to the > > ubuntu way of setting up the /etc/network/interfaces file. It was > > probably something very simple I missed. So, yes I would like to see > > someone install it. And now in the future, I know I can ask you when I > > have a problem. I have since, removed the gentoo partition. Though, I > > might want to install it on an external HD. I am interested in learning > > something besides Ubuntu/Mint. > > Actually, what I really want to do with this is follow more of a > workshop model. Depending on how many people are interested, I'll find > some corner of the maker space (wherever that turns out to be) and try > to scrounge up that many pieces of identical hardware. > > I intend to teach, not merely present. :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Their product sheets fail to make it clear to you the consumer that you are not getting a 'Cisco' [which in every net-admin's mind == IOS] device, but instead are getting some cobbled-together cheesy knock-off. I am grumpy about that. They are using their name-brand to peddle over-priced consumer-grade crap at a step-up price. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 11:02:21 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:02:21 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: References: <5139EE27.30505@gmail.com> <1362751675.4931.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <513A0B8D.7070307@gmail.com> On 03/08/2013 10:54 AM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Adam Tauno Williams > > wrote: > > actually using that pointless abomination > > > Hehehe > Having a bad Day sir? :) This and the rant on the ios, Not saying that > either of these aren't warranted, just a little grumpy sounding. Gentoo isn't well-suited to traditional server environments, and that's where ATW's training and comfort are. 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Good morning, I'm pleased to announce GrrCON's continued partnership with GR-ISSA. We appreciate your support and look forward to seeing you again this year. Please take advantage of this 15% discount code specifically for GR-ISSA. There is a limited number of tickets available at with this code, so don't wait. Use promotional code: GRISSA_2013_MSI -= More Info Below =- GrrCON '13 will be September 12th & 13th, 2013 Tickets are on sale RIGHT NOW GrrCON is back for 2013! GrrCON '12 brought in approximately 800 attendees and included an amazing line up of speakers, contests and workshops. This year we are continuing to build upon the idea that InfoSec/Hacker conferences should be fun as well as informative. No egos, no rock stars, just a good time and good content. *In response to your feedback* we are completely revamping the CTF contest, adding some new contests like "Certification Beatdown", moving the after party to Thursday, as well making improvements to the schedule and the VIP lounge. We will also have 1 day training for as low as $10 for those holding a GrrCON ticket. This conference is for YOU so please contact Marketing at grrcon.org with any additional suggestions to make it the best it can be. GrrCON will include two days of three tracks of talks, Lock Pick Village, Contests, Free Food & BEER, Prizes, Earn 14 CPEs, and MUCH More to be announced. GrrCON will again have recognized subject matter experts as well as the best of our local scene speaking on all topics related to InfoSec. GrrCON will also feature exhibits by some of the nation's leading organizations. GrrCON has sold out in previous years so don't wait and miss 2013. Interested in speaking? CFPs are still open and we will give preferential consideration to CFPs submitted before May 1st. http://GrrCON.org/cfp/ Location: DeVos Place 303 Monroe Ave. NW Grand Rapids, MI For more information go to www.GrrCON.org To keep up on announcements and news follow us on Twitter! http://www.twitter.com/GrrCON Thank you, Christopher Payne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flanderb at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 11:24:29 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:24:29 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Also, if you can't find identical hardware, wouldn't a VM work? We could then use our own laptop. Just a thought. Share and Enjoy Ben On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Gary Daigle wrote: > +1 for interest in a Gentoo presentation/workshop > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > >> On 03/08/2013 10:06 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote: >> > @Michael Mol: I once tried to install gentoo. I did get it installed >> > but could not get the ethernet to start up on boot. I am used to the >> > ubuntu way of setting up the /etc/network/interfaces file. It was >> > probably something very simple I missed. So, yes I would like to see >> > someone install it. And now in the future, I know I can ask you when I >> > have a problem. I have since, removed the gentoo partition. Though, I >> > might want to install it on an external HD. I am interested in learning >> > something besides Ubuntu/Mint. >> >> Actually, what I really want to do with this is follow more of a >> workshop model. Depending on how many people are interested, I'll find >> some corner of the maker space (wherever that turns out to be) and try >> to scrounge up that many pieces of identical hardware. >> >> I intend to teach, not merely present. :) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Their > product sheets fail to make it clear to you the consumer that you are > not getting a 'Cisco' [which in every net-admin's mind == IOS] device, > but instead are getting some cobbled-together cheesy knock-off. I am > grumpy about that. They are using their name-brand to peddle > over-priced consumer-grade crap at a step-up price. Well, if it makes you feel any better, didn't Cisco just sell off their consumer line to Belkin or something? So apparently Cisco is going back to being real Cisco. From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 15:42:14 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:42:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Ham in a day and General in a day upgrade In-Reply-To: <601adf0b9a7daf3c7dbcf7292821260a@www.kcvrm.net> References: <601adf0b9a7daf3c7dbcf7292821260a@www.kcvrm.net> Message-ID: <513A4D26.3080605@gmail.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Ham in a day and General in a day upgrade Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 15:25:40 -0500 From: email_list_owner at kcest.org To: mikemol at gmail.com If you are having trouble reading this email please go to: http://www.kcest.org/ham-in-a-day Ham in a day and General Upgrades! *Ham in a Day ? April 7th 2013 (HIAD) We will hold General Upgrades as well!!!!* Sponsored by: Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service *Description * No technical knowledge or Morse code requirements are needed. This class is for anyone who would like to obtain their technician level amateur radio license. More than 1000 people have taken this class and passed! The class consists guided study sessions and hourly breaks followed by the FCC testing session. **This class uses memory retention. People who have concentration issues or a learning disability may not do well in this type of class. *Dates & Times * April 7th 2013 10:00AM ? 18:00 Study Sessions ? General License Upgrade 13:00 ? 18:00 Study Sessions - Tech 18:00 ? 20:00 Testing Session *Cost * $35.00 (includes FCC test fee) *Registration * *http://vrm.cc/hiad*** Bring a legal photo ID such as a Drivers License or Passport If no legal photo ID is available then bring 2 pieces of photo ID. If upgrading please bring your original copy of amateur radio license! Anyone 16 years old or younger must have a parent or legal guardian present for the entire session. *Location * Kent County Sheriffs Department EOC Room 701 Ball Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 *Questions * hiad at kcest.org -- To see all of our email lists: http://vrm.cc/emaillists If you do not want to receive any more newsletters, this link To update your preferences and to unsubscribe visit this link Forward a Message to Someone this link powered by phpList2.10.19, ? phpList ltd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From f32cpe at hotmail.com Fri Mar 8 16:08:32 2013 From: f32cpe at hotmail.com (mike langeweg) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:08:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> References: , <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com>, , , <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think I would be interested. I know I am new to Linux and that seems like it would give me the most knowledge. I would like to know how to compile and make for specific systems. I wouldn't mind pairing up which might give the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the same thing in a different way.Mike > It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller > amount of unique systems, though. _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wouldn't mind pairing up which > might give the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to > explain the same thing in a different way. > Mike > > > > It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller > > amount of unique systems, though. > > > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brousch at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 16:16:37 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:16:37 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding identical hardware easy. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, mike langeweg wrote: > I think I would be interested. I know I am new to Linux and that seems like > it would give me the most knowledge. I would like to know how to compile > and make for specific systems. I wouldn't mind pairing up which might give > the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the > same thing in a different way. > Mike > > >> It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller >> amount of unique systems, though. > > > > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From signals42 at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 16:21:09 2013 From: signals42 at gmail.com (Kevin McCarthy) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:21:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding > identical hardware easy. > > Yes, but it would take a week or more to do it the "traditional" Gentoo way. The R-Pi is too slow to compile its own software in a reasonable amount of time. You can set up a cross-compiling build environment on another machine, but that's not what you would normally do on a real machine, and would only be relevant to low powered and embedded devices like the Raspberry Pi. -Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 16:21:44 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:21:44 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <513A5668.8050305@gmail.com> ...yes, but it involves cross-compiling rather than building on the system itself. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi To start with, I'd need to know how many people are interested. From there, it could be easy to get enough similar hardware together. (Or it could be hard) On 03/08/2013 04:16 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding > identical hardware easy. > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, mike langeweg wrote: >> I think I would be interested. I know I am new to Linux and that seems like >> it would give me the most knowledge. I would like to know how to compile >> and make for specific systems. I wouldn't mind pairing up which might give >> the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the >> same thing in a different way. >> Mike >> >> >>> It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller >>> amount of unique systems, though. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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April 7th 2013 (HIAD) > > We will hold General Upgrades as well!!!!* > > > > Sponsored by: Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service > > > > *Description * > > > > No technical knowledge or Morse code requirements are needed. This class > is for anyone who would like to obtain their technician level amateur > radio license. More than 1000 people have taken this class and passed! > The class consists guided study sessions and hourly breaks followed by > the FCC testing session. > > > > **This class uses memory retention. > > People who have concentration issues or a learning disability may not do > well in this type of class. > > > > *Dates & Times * > > > > April 7th 2013 > > > > 10:00AM ? 18:00 Study Sessions ? General License Upgrade > > 13:00 ? 18:00 Study Sessions - Tech > > 18:00 ? 20:00 Testing Session > > > > *Cost * > > $35.00 (includes FCC test fee) > > > > *Registration * > > *http://vrm.cc/hiad*** > > > > Bring a legal photo ID such as a Drivers License or Passport > > If no legal photo ID is available then bring 2 pieces of photo ID. > If upgrading please bring your original copy of amateur radio license! > > > > Anyone 16 years old or younger must have a parent or legal guardian > present for the entire session. > > > > *Location * > > Kent County Sheriffs Department EOC Room > > 701 Ball Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 > > > > *Questions * > > hiad at kcest.org > > > > > > > > -- > > To see all of our email lists: http://vrm.cc/emaillists > If you do not want to receive any more newsletters, this link > > > To update your preferences and to unsubscribe visit this link > > Forward a Message to Someone this link > > > powered by phpList2.10.19, ? phpList ltd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 22:04:23 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 22:04:23 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Ham in a day and General in a day upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <601adf0b9a7daf3c7dbcf7292821260a@www.kcvrm.net> <513A4D26.3080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oops. RETRACT.. April != March On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > But.... I left my TARDIS on another planet.... :P > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Ham in a day and General in a day upgrade >> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 15:25:40 -0500 >> From: email_list_owner at kcest.org >> To: mikemol at gmail.com >> >> >> >> If you are having trouble reading this email please go to: >> >> http://www.kcest.org/ham-in-a-day >> >> >> >> Ham in a day and General Upgrades! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Ham in a Day ? April 7th 2013 (HIAD) >> >> We will hold General Upgrades as well!!!!* >> >> >> >> Sponsored by: Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service >> >> >> >> *Description * >> >> >> >> No technical knowledge or Morse code requirements are needed. This class >> is for anyone who would like to obtain their technician level amateur >> radio license. More than 1000 people have taken this class and passed! >> The class consists guided study sessions and hourly breaks followed by >> the FCC testing session. >> >> >> >> **This class uses memory retention. >> >> People who have concentration issues or a learning disability may not do >> well in this type of class. >> >> >> >> *Dates & Times * >> >> >> >> April 7th 2013 >> >> >> >> 10:00AM ? 18:00 Study Sessions ? General License Upgrade >> >> 13:00 ? 18:00 Study Sessions - Tech >> >> 18:00 ? 20:00 Testing Session >> >> >> >> *Cost * >> >> $35.00 (includes FCC test fee) >> >> >> >> *Registration * >> >> *http://vrm.cc/hiad*** >> >> >> >> Bring a legal photo ID such as a Drivers License or Passport >> >> If no legal photo ID is available then bring 2 pieces of photo ID. >> If upgrading please bring your original copy of amateur radio license! >> >> >> >> Anyone 16 years old or younger must have a parent or legal guardian >> present for the entire session. >> >> >> >> *Location * >> >> Kent County Sheriffs Department EOC Room >> >> 701 Ball Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 >> >> >> >> *Questions * >> >> hiad at kcest.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> To see all of our email lists: http://vrm.cc/emaillists >> If you do not want to receive any more newsletters, this link >> >> >> To update your preferences and to unsubscribe visit this link >> >> Forward a Message to Someone this link >> >> >> powered by phpList2.10.19, ? phpList ltd >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From desertfrag at yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 22:48:01 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 19:48:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1362800881.16213.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Personally I'd be more interested in an Arch install.? It seems to have a very active group with ongoing support.? Here's a good start: http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process and, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide As far as Raspberry Pi and Arch - http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide Brad Becker ________________________________ From: Ben Rousch To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] gentoo training Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding identical hardware easy. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, mike langeweg wrote: > I think I would be interested.? I know I am new to Linux and that seems like > it would give me the most knowledge.? I would like to know how to compile > and make for specific systems.? I wouldn't mind pairing up which might give > the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the > same thing in a different way. > Mike > > >> It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller >> amount of unique systems, though. > > > > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch ? brousch at gmail.com ? http://clusterbleep.net/ _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 22:56:19 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:56:19 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: <1362800881.16213.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> <1362800881.16213.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <513AB2E3.9000202@gmail.com> I've installed Arch before, but I didn't stick with it. I've got nothing against it, I just work with Gentoo better. :) Anyway, if someone wants to do an Arch install training session, that's great. Me, I'm offering Gentoo. :) On 03/08/2013 10:48 PM, desert frag wrote: > Personally I'd be more interested in an Arch install. It seems to have > a very active group with ongoing support. Here's a good start: > http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process > > and, > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide > > As far as Raspberry Pi and Arch - http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide > > Brad Becker > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ben Rousch > *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2013 4:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] gentoo training > > Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding > identical hardware easy. > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, mike langeweg > wrote: >> I think I would be interested. I know I am new to Linux and that > seems like >> it would give me the most knowledge. I would like to know how to compile >> and make for specific systems. I wouldn't mind pairing up which might > give >> the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the >> same thing in a different way. >> Mike >> >> >>> It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller >>> amount of unique systems, though. [snip] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From andross at gmail.com Sat Mar 9 13:51:04 2013 From: andross at gmail.com (andross at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:51:04 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo training In-Reply-To: <513AB2E3.9000202@gmail.com> References: <5139FF6B.4060702@gmail.com> <513A1230.4070400@gmail.com> <1362800881.16213.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <513AB2E3.9000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: When and where? I have done a few stage 1 installs, and it is pretty fun. There are some tricks they don't mention in the handbook, like if you have an obscene amount of RAM you can mount a tmpfs to /var/tmp/portage/ before doing large emerges. Keep in mind, it's been about 6-7 years since I actively used Gentoo, but you never forget how to ride a bike. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > I've installed Arch before, but I didn't stick with it. I've got nothing > against it, I just work with Gentoo better. :) > > Anyway, if someone wants to do an Arch install training session, that's > great. Me, I'm offering Gentoo. :) > > > On 03/08/2013 10:48 PM, desert frag wrote: >> Personally I'd be more interested in an Arch install. It seems to have >> a very active group with ongoing support. Here's a good start: >> http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process >> >> and, >> >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide >> >> As far as Raspberry Pi and Arch - http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide >> >> Brad Becker >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Ben Rousch >> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2013 4:16 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] gentoo training >> >> Can you install on Gentoo on the RaspberryPi? That would make finding >> identical hardware easy. >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, mike langeweg > > wrote: >>> I think I would be interested. I know I am new to Linux and that >> seems like >>> it would give me the most knowledge. I would like to know how to compile >>> and make for specific systems. I wouldn't mind pairing up which might >> give >>> the advantage if one of them "gets it" they might be able to explain the >>> same thing in a different way. >>> Mike >>> >>> >>>> It'd probably work pretty well to have people pair up and use a smaller >>>> amount of unique systems, though. > > [snip] > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From geektoyz at gmail.com Sat Mar 9 15:45:20 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:45:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Waiting on mine too... On Mar 7, 2013 12:59 PM, "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Richard Nienhuis wrote: > > > Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. > > > Cool! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't know how long the offer will last, I suspect not much longer.? For $40 why not.? Your home pc probably consumes that in electricity. Brad Becker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Mon Mar 11 22:14:19 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:14:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS deal going on In-Reply-To: <1363054311.48845.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363054311.48845.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ouch... $40/year barely covers the value of the 2 IP addresses. Mark On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, desert frag wrote: > In case anyone is looking for a cheap VPS deal I stumbled across this on a > slickdeals forum. > > $40/yr (lifetime guarantee) includes ... > > 2048MB (2GB) Dedicated Ram > 50 GB Diskspace > 2TB Monthly Bandwidth > 100Mbps Port > 2x IPv4 Address > SolusVM/OpenVZ > Instant Setup > Free Backups > 4 Location Choices: Los Angeles, Chicago, Buffalo, or Atlanta > > > http://slickdeals.net/f/5887804-NEW-ChicagoVPS-2048MB-RAM-50GB-Disk-2TB-Bandwidth-2x-IP-address-40-year-4-Location-Choices > ? > > Based on the forum traffic it appears the company is suffering from > growing pains (now that they have been discovered), nevertheless for the > price it's a good deal. I figure things will settle down shortly and they > seem quite responsive. Don't know how long the offer will last, I suspect > not much longer. For $40 why not. Your home pc probably consumes that in > electricity. > > Brad Becker > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben.demott at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 22:15:46 2013 From: ben.demott at gmail.com (Ben DeMott) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:15:46 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS deal going on In-Reply-To: References: <1363054311.48845.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wait, $40/yr - how? Are they imaginary servers? On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > Ouch... $40/year barely covers the value of the 2 IP addresses. > > Mark > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, desert frag wrote: > >> In case anyone is looking for a cheap VPS deal I stumbled across this on >> a slickdeals forum. >> >> $40/yr (lifetime guarantee) includes ... >> >> 2048MB (2GB) Dedicated Ram >> 50 GB Diskspace >> 2TB Monthly Bandwidth >> 100Mbps Port >> 2x IPv4 Address >> SolusVM/OpenVZ >> Instant Setup >> Free Backups >> 4 Location Choices: Los Angeles, Chicago, Buffalo, or Atlanta >> >> >> http://slickdeals.net/f/5887804-NEW-ChicagoVPS-2048MB-RAM-50GB-Disk-2TB-Bandwidth-2x-IP-address-40-year-4-Location-Choices >> ? >> >> Based on the forum traffic it appears the company is suffering from >> growing pains (now that they have been discovered), nevertheless for the >> price it's a good deal. I figure things will settle down shortly and they >> seem quite responsive. Don't know how long the offer will last, I suspect >> not much longer. For $40 why not. Your home pc probably consumes that in >> electricity. >> >> Brad Becker >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Mar 12 06:15:37 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS deal going on In-Reply-To: References: <1363054311.48845.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363083337.11598.8.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Mon, 2013-03-11 at 22:14 -0400, Mark Farver wrote: > Ouch... $40/year barely covers the value of the 2 IP addresses. Agree, that's crazy. But I purchased one, so we'll see what happens. It is worth a $40 *wager*, which is probably what this really is. 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URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 09:11:30 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] VPS deal going on In-Reply-To: <1363083337.11598.8.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> References: <1363054311.48845.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363083337.11598.8.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> Message-ID: <1363093890.22506.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I purchased the Chicago node yesterday morning but am not operational yet. ?They informed me their new equipment has arrived and is being installed. ?For the price I'm willing to be patient. ________________________________ From: Adam Tauno Williams To: grlug at grlug.org Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VPS deal going on On Mon, 2013-03-11 at 22:14 -0400, Mark Farver wrote: > Ouch... $40/year barely covers the value of the 2 IP addresses. Agree, that's crazy.? But I purchased one, so we'll see what happens. 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Please Join Us Date: March 12, 2013 Time: 6:00 p.m. Place: Grand Valley State University Cook-DeVos Center for Health Sciences 301 Michigan Street N.E., Room 119 Grand Rapids, MI 49503 6:00 - 6:30 Networking 6:30 - 7:30 Presentation 7:30 - 8:00 Networking **Admission is Free** If you are not a current member, you can attend one GRIN meeting for free to learn more about the network. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 00:28:37 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:28:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS, multiple partitions? Message-ID: Ok, I have a VPS server, and it was installed with an "all on one filesystem" partition scheme. I recently decided to pursue changing this, and had the below exchange with the support department at the company that provides my VPS. I beleive they use "Xen" as their VPS service. Is what they are telling me legit? It sounds like BS to me. Why should I not be able to partition the virtual HD any way I want, and if they are baking up an image of the entire virtual HD, why should any changes I make to it prevent their backup from being able to put it back the way it was? Anyway, here's the gist of the exchange, any tips, advice, correction, or support appreciated. *--------------------------------* *M**e:* *Do you keep automatic full system backups of all VPS?* * * *If so, I'd like to confirm when the most recent backup was taken of mine. * * * *I am planning on shrinking the root partition in the next few days to allow multiple separate partitions and would like to make sure I have a fallback in case of some catastrophic failure.* * * *If not, would it be possible to request a system image backup be taken before I proceed with this?* *---* *Support:* *Hi, I can look up the backup dates for you but I should mention first that alternate partition layouts on the VPS are not supported by the system. Altering the partition table will result in data loss if you attempt to resize the server later to a different package or if you do an OS reload /w backup option.* *---* *Me:* * Are the backups you take partition based? or whole-disk based? Is it possible to do a user level data and configuration backup, and then do a system reinstall with different sizes? Could I have the storage space that is allocated to me split into two virtual drives, rather than one? I am seeking to make the system less vulnerable to an errant process filling up the drive and preventing normal operation. I find it hard to believe that a commercial VPS would not allow/support proper *nix partitioning. --- support: Sorry I have to answer no to all of your questions. The VPS system does not support partitioning, multiple disks, or different sized backups. Our dedicated servers do support fully configurable disk subsystems as there is no virtualization there and you have "bare metal" access. --- me: I'm unsure how to interpret the answer "No" to this question: Are the backups you take partition based or are they whole-disk based? In other words, does it take an image of the virtual /dev/xvda which is presented to my system? Or does it do something else? Are the backups taken sufficient to completely recreate the VPS from scratch, even if I completely erased it (accidentally or otherwise)? --- support: I believe the backups use snapshots of the disk's partition. I'm unsure what will happen if the default partition layout is changed, it may screw up the backups as well. I would need to ask engineering in the morning to find out for sure. It's less elegant but instead of partitioning the disk you could use loop devices to create separate mount points. If you are just concerned with an app filling up the disk another solution is to enable disk quotas and set a hard quota for the user your app runs under so it cannot fill the disk. --- me: loop mounts would not be useful, nor would quotas, as I wish to protect against even *system* apps filling the disk up. In fact, I'd like to be able to consider mounting the root fs read-only. Please forward this ticket to engineering/sysadmins for detailed information on how backups work, as well as clarification regarding partitioning. I still find it VERY difficult to believe that any professional VPS software would not allow for proper unix filesystem partitioning. "everything on one filesystem" is something one expects on a noob installation on their dual-boot home PC, NOT on a server. --- support: Sorry we're unable to support this type of configuration. Most VPS do not support this unless they are running under full hardware virtualization which is slow performance. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrj at plorb.com Wed Mar 13 04:14:05 2013 From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 04:14:05 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS, multiple partitions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130313081405.GA4039@blorp.plorb.com> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:28:37AM -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Ok, I have a VPS server, and it was installed with an "all on one > filesystem" partition scheme. I recently decided to pursue changing this, > and had the below exchange with the support department at the company that > provides my VPS. I beleive they use "Xen" as their VPS service. > > Is what they are telling me legit? It sounds like BS to me. Why should I > not be able to partition the virtual HD any way I want, and if they are > baking up an image of the entire virtual HD, why should any changes I make > to it prevent their backup from being able to put it back the way it was? > > Anyway, here's the gist of the exchange, any tips, advice, correction, or > support appreciated. I have a Linode (a Xen VPS). I can make partitions through the management web site. I've never used their backup, but I found this under the Limitations section of the Backup page: "The backup system must be able to mount your disk images on the host. If you've used fdisk on your images to create partitions, or created encrypted volumes, or done anything other than use our deployment or disk image creation tools, we won't be able to back up the data. The backup system operates on files, not at the block level. " It doesn't say anything specific about restoring partitions, except that only a full restore is possible. -- Jeff DeFouw From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Mar 13 06:18:16 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 06:18:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS, multiple partitions? In-Reply-To: <20130313081405.GA4039@blorp.plorb.com> References: <20130313081405.GA4039@blorp.plorb.com> Message-ID: <1363169896.29171.8.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 04:14 -0400, Jeff DeFouw wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:28:37AM -0400, Dave Chiodo wrote: > > Ok, I have a VPS server, and it was installed with an "all on one > > filesystem" partition scheme. I recently decided to pursue changing this, > > and had the below exchange with the support department at the company that > > provides my VPS. I beleive they use "Xen" as their VPS service. > > Is what they are telling me legit? It sounds like BS to me. Why should I > > not be able to partition the virtual HD any way I want, and if they are > > baking up an image of the entire virtual HD, why should any changes I make > > to it prevent their backup from being able to put it back the way it was? > > Anyway, here's the gist of the exchange, any tips, advice, correction, or > > support appreciated. > I have a Linode (a Xen VPS). I can make partitions through the > management web site. I've never used their backup, Neither have I. But VM backup solutions have only a specific use case - restore from system meltdown. They are not to be confused with data backup [making an offline copy of the important bits]. In playing around with Xen I feel that it confuses these two separate things. > but I found this > under the Limitations section of the Backup page: > "The backup system must be able to mount your disk images on the host. > If you've used fdisk on your images to create partitions, or created > encrypted volumes, or done anything other than use our deployment or > disk image creation tools, we won't be able to back up the data. The > backup system operates on files, not at the block level. " > It doesn't say anything specific about restoring partitions, except that > only a full restore is possible. Which sounds normal to me. Restoring independent partitions is an easy way to make an incoherent system. One of VMware's backup modes also involves 'mounting' block devices and has the same [roughly] limitations. This vs the make-a-copy-of-a-snapshot-of-the-host approach. Neither is really useful for data backup, IMNSHO. 'Traditional' backup and restore solutions [for data] are easier, more reliable, and certainly more flexible. From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Mar 13 13:24:55 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:24:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness Message-ID: Ran into a REALLY strange problem today, .. normally I do not use CentOS, so I was hoping someone could provide a clue. Have an ssh tunnel setup to that host on local port 2205, and it *works* fine with 'ssh localhost -p 2205'. When you use one of the host's IPs 'ssh -p 2205' does ***NOT*** work! Have never seen this behavior before - is this something weird on CentOS? Have turned off iptables (did not see any applicable rules anyway). TIA! Lee From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 13:58:41 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sshd might only be listening on specific IP's. If the machine has multiple IP's, and some were configured "on the fly" after services were started, unless SSH was restarted afterwards it my not bind the new IPs. Its also possible its specifically configured to listen only on specific IPs. run this on the machine in question to see what its listening to: netstat -tan | grep LISTEN | grep :2205 And assuming CentOS keeps it in the normal location, /etc/sshd/config would be where to check the config. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Ran into a REALLY strange problem today, .. normally I do not use CentOS, > so I was hoping someone could provide a clue. > > Have an ssh tunnel setup to that host on local port 2205, and it *works* > fine with 'ssh localhost -p 2205'. > > When you use one of the host's IPs 'ssh -p 2205' does ***NOT*** > work! Have never seen this behavior before - is this something weird on > CentOS? > > Have turned off iptables (did not see any applicable rules anyway). > > TIA! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Mar 13 14:03:47 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Dave Chiodo wrote: > sshd might only be listening on specific IP's. If the machine has > multiple IP's, and some were configured "on the fly" after services > were started, unless SSH was restarted afterwards it my not bind the > new IPs. > Not using sshd on the machine with port 2205 open, .. sshd is on the other end of the tunnel (port 2206, which does work properly). Unless I am missing the point? > Its also possible its specifically configured to listen only on specific IPs. > > run this on the machine in question to see what its listening to: > > netstat -tan | grep LISTEN | grep :2205 > It *does* only show localhost: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2205 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 ::1:2205 :::* LISTEN Why would it not bind to the IP used in the connect? Thanks!! Lee From mfarver at mindbent.org Wed Mar 13 14:09:28 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:09:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I probably sound like a broken record but I'm guessing that redhat uses selinux to restrict the ports sshd can bind to. Looks like they do it in Fedora 14, so they might in RHEL. http://www.mattnworb.com/post/10163228081/setting-up-a-ssh-tunnel-to-forward-ports-using-fedora -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 14:41:29 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:41:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, wait.. I'm bit fuzzy on what the setup is. You are trying to connect to the LOCAL end of a forwarded port? If so, what it listens on will be controlled by the arguments you give ssh. This might be simpler to sort out if you show the actual commands you are using to setup this tunnel (redact specific IP's if desired) On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> sshd might only be listening on specific IP's. If the machine has >> multiple IP's, and some were configured "on the fly" after services >> were started, unless SSH was restarted afterwards it my not bind the >> new IPs. >> > Not using sshd on the machine with port 2205 open, .. sshd is on the other > end of the tunnel (port 2206, which does work properly). Unless I am > missing the point? > >> Its also possible its specifically configured to listen only on specific IPs. >> >> run this on the machine in question to see what its listening to: >> >> netstat -tan | grep LISTEN | grep :2205 >> > It *does* only show localhost: > > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2205 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > tcp 0 0 ::1:2205 :::* LISTEN > > Why would it not bind to the IP used in the connect? > > Thanks!! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Mar 13 14:56:30 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:56:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Ok, wait.. I'm bit fuzzy on what the setup is. > > You are trying to connect to the LOCAL end of a forwarded port? If so, > what it listens on will be controlled by the arguments you give ssh. > It is a reverse tunnel, .. the issue is it binds to 127.0.0.1 automatically, however if you need to specify the bind IP, you have to also enable GatewayPorts on the target machine so it CAN bind to the specific IP. > This might be simpler to sort out if you show the actual commands you > are using to setup this tunnel (redact specific IP's if desired) > This is what works: ssh -f -n -N -R 172.16.112.101:2205:127.0.0.1:2206 lvl at 172.16.112.101 Thanks! Lee From casey at grlug.org Wed Mar 13 16:35:39 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:35:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social TONIGHT 6PM Message-ID: GRLUG/GRMakers Social TONIGHT 6PM @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison. In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). Here?s a short list of projects for tonight: 3D Printing on the Makerbot, Rep Rap Build, Kinect Robot Project, RaspBerry Pi, Arduino, Sewing, Jewelry Making, Wrap designs for photobooth, plus whatever you bring to work on. Amon Twentysix is doing *WHO?S GAME IS IT ANYWAY!?* Tonight at GR Makers I will be creating a game from start to finish-BUT here's the twist: You are my graphics department, and I am at the will of your creations Draw it on a napkin, use photoshop, take a photo of yourself doing the superman, draw something juvenile in MSPaint with your left hand-- Everything goes!!! The goal is to have a working(ish) game at the end of the night from the collaborative efforts of everyone. The less you know how to make games, THE BETTER!! Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SELinux is guarding the port of SSH just is not listening on the other interfaces. netstat --listen --tcp --program From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Mar 13 17:33:26 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS IP Weirdness In-Reply-To: <1363210035.2709.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <1363210035.2709.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > SELinux is guarding the port of SSH just is not listening on the other > interfaces. > > netstat --listen --tcp --program > Actually, there were two problem: > The tunnel was binding to 127.0.0.1 and was not visible on the system IPs; > After assigning the bind IP, I had to enable GatewayIPs in the sshd config to allow binding to the IP. Just never encountered it before as all of the other tunnels I have used are to a host with a single ip - the fact that this box had five different IPs was the main problem. Thanks! Lee From flanderb at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:52:36 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:52:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Git help Message-ID: I'm a git newbie so bear with me a bit. I have a Dev directory where I do all my programming. I'd like to setup a "working" directory with all the current working versions of the scripts that I have. I've git init'd the dev directory and committed Now I go to the working directory and try a git checkout master -- "dev directory" and I get an error fatal: not a git repository. I'm using windows 7, and git bash command line. I've tried the "~/dev directory" and the /c/path_to_dev_directory" types of directory paths. neither work What I am doing wrong? Thank you in advance for your help/ Share and Enjoy Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Mar 14 11:01:27 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Git help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Now I go to the working directory and try a > > git checkout master -- "dev directory" > > and I get an error fatal: not a git repository. > What you're missing is that a git repository is under the current directory (the "root" of the git configuration), it is not available anywhere else - it is not like a 'service' you can access from anywhere. To setup a 'working' directory, you would git init a new config there, then 'grab' the files from dev. The best way to do it would be to set a repository that you can share from both dev & working; you would then "push" from dev to synchronize with the repository, and "pull" from working to get any changes. To create this 3rd repository (normally on another machine or even github if you are so inclined), you would 'git init --bare'. 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I'd like to setup a > "working" directory with all the current working versions of the scripts > that I have. > > I've git init'd the dev directory and committed > > Now I go to the working directory and try a > > git checkout master -- "dev directory" > > and I get an error fatal: not a git repository. > > I'm using windows 7, and git bash command line. I've tried the "~/dev > directory" and the /c/path_to_dev_directory" types of directory paths. > neither work > > What I am doing wrong? > > Thank you in advance for your help/ > > > Share and Enjoy > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're in the > working directory: > > git clone ../Dev . > > I used this to figure out all the pushing, pulling, merging, etc. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > >> I'm a git newbie so bear with me a bit. >> >> I have a Dev directory where I do all my programming. I'd like to setup >> a "working" directory with all the current working versions of the scripts >> that I have. >> >> I've git init'd the dev directory and committed >> >> Now I go to the working directory and try a >> >> git checkout master -- "dev directory" >> >> and I get an error fatal: not a git repository. >> >> I'm using windows 7, and git bash command line. I've tried the "~/dev >> directory" and the /c/path_to_dev_directory" types of directory paths. >> neither work >> >> What I am doing wrong? >> >> Thank you in advance for your help/ >> >> >> Share and Enjoy >> Ben >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This distro is named after my dog! :-) On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Anyone here have experience with Kali Linux? > http://www.kali.org/ > > Can we plan a presentation for an upcoming GRLUG or WMLUG meeting on this? > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A similar visual of the kernel's git repo would be pretty cool; and probably burn a fair amount of HP to generate. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 14:01:09 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:01:09 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Kali Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is the primary appeal of it? -- Bob On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Anyone here have experience with Kali Linux? > http://www.kali.org/ > > Can we plan a presentation for an upcoming GRLUG or WMLUG meeting on this? > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It played out over time watching the activity move > around the tree, the tree grew, activity moved back and fourth. I do > not know if it 'meant' anything, but was an interesting way of watching > a source tree grow. > > A similar visual of the kernel's git repo would be pretty cool; and > probably burn a fair amount of HP to generate. > > -- > Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 > Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 12:02:26 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement Message-ID: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Earlier this week I posted about the $40/yr VPS deal going on at slickdeals. I ended up purchasing a second account through them and now have a small issue.? Having a second account enabled me to compare performance between the two.? Identical systems, identical OS's, fresh installs on both.? I downloaded a program to both servers which taxes the cpu's so I could pull a 'top' and compare what type of cpu usage I'm seeing. To my surprise one server shows average cpu usage well above 94%, the other around 70% with minimums in the 40% range.? I asked tech support about this, even did screenshots of not only top but pidstat.? After telling them my systems were identical, their reply was both servers are on little utilized nodes, plus this ... 'This is an issue with the way you configured your applications, and as we are not experienced with the software you're running along with the fact we are an unmanaged VPS provider, you'll need to investigate this further. If you wish to start fresh you can reinstall the VPS from our VPS control panel.' Apparently they ignored the 'same app's' info I gave them.? Nevertheless I went ahead and resinstalled fresh on the server showing the 70% scores per their suggestion.? No change, in fact if anything cpu usage is even a bit lower. Before I step up the pressure, are there some definitive cpu % usage test apps anyone could suggest?? While my suspicion is a hardware/node sharing issue on their end I want further ammo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 12:36:22 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:36:22 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement In-Reply-To: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Every day you will end up with different results. They are overselling the machines. It's the only way to make money at that price point. In a few weeks it will perform better because the large storm of people will stop messing with the setup of their machines. Your saving thing is the 2 gigs of ram. It limits the general amount of vpses per machine although I guess you could still get 64 of them per each processor On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:02 AM, desert frag wrote: > Earlier this week I posted about the $40/yr VPS deal going on at slickdeals. > > I ended up purchasing a second account through them and now have a small issue. Having a second account enabled me to compare performance between the two. Identical systems, identical OS's, fresh installs on both. I downloaded a program to both servers which taxes the cpu's so I could pull a 'top' and compare what type of cpu usage I'm seeing. > > To my surprise one server shows average cpu usage well above 94%, the other around 70% with minimums in the 40% range. I asked tech support about this, even did screenshots of not only top but pidstat. After telling them my systems were identical, their reply was both servers are on little utilized nodes, plus this ... > > 'This is an issue with the way you configured your applications, and as we are not experienced with the software you're running along with the fact we are an unmanaged VPS provider, you'll need to investigate this further. If you wish to start fresh you can reinstall the VPS from our VPS control panel.' > > Apparently they ignored the 'same app's' info I gave them. Nevertheless I went ahead and resinstalled fresh on the server showing the 70% scores per their suggestion. No change, in fact if anything cpu usage is even a bit lower. > > Before I step up the pressure, are there some definitive cpu % usage test apps anyone could suggest? While my suspicion is a hardware/node sharing issue on their end I want further ammo. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 13:36:09 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:36:09 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement In-Reply-To: References: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sweet, I just signed up for this service and they are sending plain text passwords. I hope they are smarter than they have been showing. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Josh wrote: > Every day you will end up with different results. They are overselling > the machines. It's the only way to make money at that price point. In a > few weeks it will perform better because the large storm of people will > stop messing with the setup of their machines. Your saving thing is the 2 > gigs of ram. It limits the general amount of vpses per machine although I > guess you could still get 64 of them per each processor > > On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:02 AM, desert frag wrote: > > Earlier this week I posted about the $40/yr VPS deal going on at > slickdeals. > > I ended up purchasing a second account through them and now have a small > issue. Having a second account enabled me to compare performance between > the two. Identical systems, identical OS's, fresh installs on both. I > downloaded a program to both servers which taxes the cpu's so I could pull > a 'top' and compare what type of cpu usage I'm seeing. > > To my surprise one server shows average cpu usage well above 94%, the > other around 70% with minimums in the 40% range. I asked tech support > about this, even did screenshots of not only top but pidstat. After > telling them my systems were identical, their reply was both servers are on > little utilized nodes, plus this ... > > 'This is an issue with the way you configured your applications, and as we > are not experienced with the software you're running along with the fact we > are an unmanaged VPS provider, you'll need to investigate this further. If > you wish to start fresh you can reinstall the VPS from our VPS control > panel.' > > Apparently they ignored the 'same app's' info I gave them. Nevertheless I > went ahead and resinstalled fresh on the server showing the 70% scores per > their suggestion. No change, in fact if anything cpu usage is even a bit > lower. > > Before I step up the pressure, are there some definitive cpu % usage test > apps anyone could suggest? While my suspicion is a hardware/node sharing > issue on their end I want further ammo. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 14:18:10 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement In-Reply-To: References: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1363457890.17992.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The results have consistently shown one server to produce lower cpu % utilization scores than another over the past few days.? Since you're suggesting one node is more taxed than another then they haven't been up front.? I will mention this in mind in my reply.? Thank you. ________________________________ From: Josh To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement Sweet, I just signed up for this service and they are sending plain text passwords. ?I hope they are smarter than they have been showing. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Josh wrote: Every day you will end up with different results. ?They are overselling the machines. It's the only way to make money at that price point. ?In a few weeks it will perform better because the large storm of people will stop messing with the setup of their machines. Your saving thing is the 2 gigs of ram. It limits the general amount of vpses per machine although I guess you could still get 64 of them per each processor > >On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:02 AM, desert frag wrote: > > >Earlier this week I posted about the $40/yr VPS deal going on at slickdeals. >> >> >>I ended up purchasing a second account through them and now have a small issue.? Having a second account enabled me to compare performance between the two.? Identical systems, identical OS's, fresh installs on both.? I downloaded a program to both servers which taxes the cpu's so I could pull a 'top' and compare what type of cpu usage I'm seeing. >> >> >>To my surprise one server shows average cpu usage well above 94%, the other around 70% with minimums in the 40% range.? I asked tech support about this, even did screenshots of not only top but pidstat.? After telling them my systems were identical, their reply was both servers are on little utilized nodes, plus this ... >> >> >>'This is an issue with the way you configured your applications, and as we are not experienced with the software you're running along with the fact we are an unmanaged VPS provider, you'll need to investigate this further. If you wish to start fresh you can reinstall the VPS from our VPS control panel.' >> >> >>Apparently they ignored the 'same app's' info I gave them.? Nevertheless I went ahead and resinstalled fresh on the server showing the 70% scores per their suggestion.? No change, in fact if anything cpu usage is even a bit lower. >> >> >>Before I step up the pressure, are there some definitive cpu % usage test apps anyone could suggest?? While my suspicion is a hardware/node sharing issue on their end I want further ammo. >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >>grlug mailing list >>grlug at grlug.org >>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timschmidt at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 15:27:48 2013 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement In-Reply-To: <1363457890.17992.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363457890.17992.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, desert frag wrote: > The results have consistently shown one server to produce lower cpu % > utilization scores than another over the past few days. Since you're > suggesting one node is more taxed than another then they haven't been up > front. I will mention this in mind in my reply. Thank you. I also have a chicagovps account - 3Gb ram / 100Gb disk / 2.5TB transfer @ $21 / quarter - and they're very up front about the fact that they use SolusVM - a linux containers based solution. The resources on each host under Solus are shared much more freely than with hypervisors like Xen or KVM. Ram is overcomitted and deduped, just like the disks are. Everyone's processes run on the same kernel - though you shouldn't be able to break out of your container to see what others are running. If you're looking for something that does cycle-perfect emulation and guarantees isolated performance, look into Linode or similar. Their prices, however, are MUCH higher. --tim From mikemol at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 15:46:56 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:46:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] VPS disagreement In-Reply-To: References: <1363449746.61187.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1363457890.17992.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5144CC30.6010700@gmail.com> On 03/16/2013 03:27 PM, Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, desert frag wrote: >> The results have consistently shown one server to produce lower cpu % >> utilization scores than another over the past few days. Since you're >> suggesting one node is more taxed than another then they haven't been up >> front. I will mention this in mind in my reply. Thank you. > > I also have a chicagovps account - 3Gb ram / 100Gb disk / 2.5TB > transfer @ $21 / quarter - and they're very up front about the fact > that they use SolusVM - a linux containers based solution. The > resources on each host under Solus are shared much more freely than > with hypervisors like Xen or KVM. Ram is overcomitted and deduped, > just like the disks are. Everyone's processes run on the same kernel > - though you shouldn't be able to break out of your container to see > what others are running. > > If you're looking for something that does cycle-perfect emulation and > guarantees isolated performance, look into Linode or similar. Their > prices, however, are MUCH higher. Indeed. $40/yr is insanely cheap. $3/mo doesn't get you much of anything... I'm very fond of prgmr.com, and have used them for a few years, now. Their pricing is listed fully on their website, but it's intentionally simple: "An easy to understand price schedule: $4/month per account, and $1/month for every 64MiB ram. Please note; this means all plans come with $4/month worth of support." They don't say it there, but their per-VM CPU allotment is directly proportional to RAM allotment; a machine with 1GB of RAM is guaranteed a minimum number of CPU tickets X, and a machine with 2GB of of RAM is guaranteed a minimum number of CPU tickets 2X. Roughly speaking, this means that--on a loaded host server--the machine with twice the RAM gets twice the CPU guaranteed it. And when nobody else is using the CPU, you get it all. In general practice, on a web server, CPU shouldn't make a huge difference. You cache as much as you can so you don't need to consume resource to regenerate what you've served before... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're getting more than this minimum amount, you're the guy hogging the CPU! *shakes fist* Seriously though, containers aren't perfect, but they're incredibly efficient (deduped RAM!), and fantastic for a lot of workloads at these prices. If shared hosting would work for you, except for a need to install some software or manage system configuration a little differently, containers are awesome. --tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Tue Mar 19 10:10:16 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:10:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday March 20 @ The Warehouse Message-ID: Hey All, This is your reminder for tomorrow's GRLUG/GRMaker's Social Wednesday March 20th * * *6PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* * * In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). To keep informed about our meetings please join @ http://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers You can check out our Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/sets/72157632599546408/ Here?s some of the other things we work on: Photobooth V2 RepRap Open Source 3D Printer MakerBot Replicator 2 Kiosk Project Tesla Coil Quad Copters Audio Amplifier Repair Linux Based Router Project Server Storage Project (Linux) Sewing Jewelry Making Knife Sharpening Soldiering RaspberryPi (Linux) Arduino Projects and testing Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/GRMakers?ref=ts&fref=tsFind us on Google+: grmakers There are so many other things going on it?s difficult for me to mention them all so you are invited to stop by and see for yourself. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We're talking an occasional need, low activity situation. > CentOS x86-64. Check out ownCloud. It has a dropbox-like feature that lets you share out images. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed Mar 20 13:13:51 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:13:51 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] gnome-screensaver popping up and won't go away Message-ID: <1363799631.1652.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Suddenly this morning something called gnome-screensaver is showing when I boot my Fedora 17 system. When I right-click on it in the panel at the top of the screen and choose quit, nothing happens. I haven't changed any settings and hadn't done any updates for a few days. This just started today. WTF? Any ideas? From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 13:46:17 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:46:17 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] NOT LINUX - a big four browser comparison. Message-ID: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/web-browser-chrome-25-firefox-19,3459.html Tom chooses windoz 7 and 8 as the platforms for comparing the latest versions of Chromium, FireFox, IE, and Opera, What's amusing is the performance difference due to the testing platforms. There are often significant speed differences for each browser on different tests, and between windoz 7 and 8 for the same test. Chromium and FireFox both perform the best overall. But the question is, what would happen in, say, a comparison of the tests using windoz 8 and some version of Linux? The question is largely rhetorical, since it would take a lot of work to get an answer. Still, what might cause the differences between windoz 7 and 8, and what would one guess would be the result under Linux? Has anyone seen such a comparison somewhere? And of course there might well be big differences with other packages on different testing platforms. -- Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed Mar 20 21:06:23 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:06:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query Message-ID: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm looking at http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? Or is it just broken? Thanks. From topher at codeventure.net Wed Mar 20 21:08:56 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:08:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <514A5DA8.6070508@codeventure.net> On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm looking at > http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. > > Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you > click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when > I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? > Or is it just broken? Linux window managers and desktop environments often have several clipboards going on at once. Often when those say it's copied you can paste it by doing ctrl-v or right click and pasting, like Windows. I almost never use that one, I use the one that gets rendered by middle click, and it's annoying as heck. It's possible it simply doesn't work in Linux because the flash copier tries to put it someplace it can't. From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed Mar 20 22:10:41 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:10:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <514A5DA8.6070508@codeventure.net> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <514A5DA8.6070508@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <1363831841.1628.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 21:08 -0400, Topher wrote: > On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm looking at > > http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. > > > > Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you > > click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when > > I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? > > Or is it just broken? > > Linux window managers and desktop environments often have several > clipboards going on at once. > > Often when those say it's copied you can paste it by doing ctrl-v or > right click and pasting, like Windows. > > I almost never use that one, I use the one that gets rendered by middle > click, and it's annoying as heck. > > It's possible it simply doesn't work in Linux because the flash copier > tries to put it someplace it can't. Interesting. I didn't realize about different clipboards, and I've never used the middle button very much. Turns out you have to select the code and then use the 'copy to clipboard' function. It then pastes with the middle button but not with ctrl-v or right-click,paste. Not sure what having that 'copy to clipboard' adds, if you have to select all the code first anyway, given ease of ctrl-c and ctrl-v or of right-click and 'copy.' What I was hoping for was something that saved the bother of manually selecting all the code in the snippet. If you select the code and use the usual ctrl-c, all three methods of pasting give you that selection. Again, if you've selected and used the 'copy to clipboard' function, only the middle button gives that selection. ctrl-v gives whatever was previously in the clipboard. From don.ellis at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 00:22:55 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:22:55 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <1363831841.1628.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <514A5DA8.6070508@codeventure.net> <1363831841.1628.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 21:08 -0400, Topher wrote: > > On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > I'm looking at > > > > http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/ > . > > > > > > Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you > > > click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when > > > I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I > missing? > > > Or is it just broken? > ... > > It's possible it simply doesn't work in Linux because the flash copier > > tries to put it someplace it can't. > ... > Not sure what > having that 'copy to clipboard' adds, if you have to select all the code > first anyway, given ease of ctrl-c and ctrl-v or of right-click and > 'copy.' What I was hoping for was something that saved the bother of > manually selecting all the code in the snippet. > > If you select the code and use the usual ctrl-c, all three methods of > pasting give you that selection. Again, if you've selected and used the > 'copy to clipboard' function, only the middle button gives that > selection. ctrl-v gives whatever was previously in the clipboard. > Interesting - on a Mac (OSX 10.8.2), the "copy to clipboard" does something different - I haven't found where it copies to, so it seems pointless. Selecting the original text pastes rich text into TextEdit (rich text mode), or plain text into plain text mode or a text editor. The "view plain" option looked better (lose the line numbers), but since I can copy/paste from the original (line numbers show but aren't copied), that's pointless too. I tried the operation in Ubuntu (pasted link from Mac to Ubuntu with Synergy), and the "copy to clipboard" item places text into clipboard accessed through center button, not right-click paste. Pretty useless if they have these conveniences, but don't have clues how to use them. I think the Source download button (Get the code) would be much easier overall, if it actually works. --Don Ellis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 21:29:37 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:29:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <514BB401.9000000@earthlink.net> On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm looking at > http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. > > Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you > click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when > I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? > Or is it just broken? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > Having written a script for "Copy to Clipboard" before, I found that every major browser except Internet Explorer had blocked the ability to copy to the clipboard programmatically for security purposes. I ended up having to do a browser detect to see if it was running under IE before showing the button. Granted, that was a few years ago now and things may have changed, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what you're seeing. - Kyle From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Mar 21 21:54:34 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:54:34 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <514BB401.9000000@earthlink.net> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <514BB401.9000000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1363917274.1635.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 21:29 -0400, Kyle wrote: > On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm looking at > > http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. > > > > Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you > > click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when > > I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? > > Or is it just broken? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > Having written a script for "Copy to Clipboard" before, I found that > every major browser except Internet Explorer had blocked the ability to > copy to the clipboard programmatically for security purposes. I ended > up having to do a browser detect to see if it was running under IE > before showing the button. Granted, that was a few years ago now and > things may have changed, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what > you're seeing. > > - Kyle I'm thinking that a 'copy to clipboard' function that didn't require one to select first would have limited use anyway, since it would only be useful for the whole code snippet, and in lots of cases people might only want to copy and paste part of the code snippet anyway. From megadave at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:04:53 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:04:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] clipboard query In-Reply-To: <514BB401.9000000@earthlink.net> References: <1363827983.1628.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <514BB401.9000000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: To be honest, a webpage having some special "copy" script sounds like a case of reinventing the wheel, and not very well, either. Of course, because the one in this thread had to display the code in a manner which leads to selecting it to also select the line numbers, "normal" copy/paste doesn't work so well. So they broke the normal copy/paste, and wrote a special one that doesn't work even half as well. Clearly the folks behind that site's design aren't quite as genius as they think they are. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Kyle wrote: > On 03/20/2013 09:06 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: >> I'm looking at >> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/exactly-how-to-create-a-custom-jquery-accordion/. >> >> Each bit of code there has a prompt "copy to clipboard" and when you >> click it, an alert tells you the code is now on the clipboard. But when >> I try to paste it into a text editor, nothing pastes. What am I missing? >> Or is it just broken? >> >> Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > Having written a script for "Copy to Clipboard" before, I found that > every major browser except Internet Explorer had blocked the ability to > copy to the clipboard programmatically for security purposes. I ended > up having to do a browser detect to see if it was running under IE > before showing the button. Granted, that was a few years ago now and > things may have changed, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what > you're seeing. > > - Kyle > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From desertfrag at yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 10:18:57 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? Message-ID: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would like the monitor, keyboard, and mouse upstairs but the computer downstairs. Do they make a small device to connect the upstairs components wirelessly to the computer? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Sat Mar 23 10:29:15 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:29:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Atlona-AT-PCLINK-Wireless-Extender-Stereo/dp/B003YYVR8S Not cheap, and I have no experience with them but it looks cool.. It is a tricky problem because you need a lot of bandwidth for the video. This one uses UWB across 1.5ghz (!!) of spectrum according to the description. Mark Farver On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM, desert frag wrote: > I would like the monitor, keyboard, and mouse upstairs but the computer > downstairs. Do they make a small device to connect the upstairs components > wirelessly to the computer? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a tricky problem?because?you need a lot of bandwidth for the video. ?This one uses UWB across 1.5ghz (!!) of spectrum according to the description. Mark Farver On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM, desert frag wrote: I would like the monitor, keyboard, and mouse upstairs but the computer downstairs. Do they make a small device to connect the upstairs components wirelessly to the computer? > >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have used VGA and PS/2 at 30-40 feet, .. never tried USB. If you are just working on the system downstairs, ssh is simple; you can also use another system with VNC, rdesktop, or X [run applications remotely]. OR, put a Rasberry PI upstairs for your "terminal"! To run just the HW upstairs you would need a KVM over TCP/IP unit, and they are pretty pricey: http://www.kvms.com/Section/1-Port-KVM-Over-IP-Switch.aspx Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Sat Mar 23 11:55:07 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:55:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Mark Farver wrote: > Something like this: > http://www.amazon.com/Atlona-AT-PCLINK-Wireless-Extender-Stereo/dp/B003YYVR8S > > Not cheap, and I have no experience with them but it looks cool.. > Unfortunately, most of those style devices are Windoze only, .. be sure to check the specs before purchasing. Lee From slestak989 at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 11:58:21 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:58:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] NOT PARTICULARLY LINUX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a DOCSIS 3 modem, and I recently inquired to Comcast about upgrading my service to use all of its capability. They informed me that we have just moved up in this area (with no addtl charge) from 20/3 to 25/3. Speedtest.net doesn't show any change for me yet, but Houston is not the only one getting love. I'll follow up with them regarding the other 5M down. On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > > http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2013/03/comcast-doubles-internet-speeds-for-many-of-its-houston-customers/ > > Houston seems to get special treatment....... :-( > > > -- Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 12:07:49 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The downstairs pc would be running windows and occasionally linux.? Distance is roughly 75 feet.? I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817403070&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-KVM+Switches-_-N82E16817403070&gclid=CP249YWck7YCFY4WMgod5mEAXA I don't need high resolution.? Would this possibly work? ________________________________ From: L. V. Lammert To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, desert frag wrote: > I would like the monitor, keyboard, and mouse upstairs but the computer > downstairs. Do they make a small device to connect the upstairs > components wirelessly to the computer? > How far? I have used VGA and PS/2 at 30-40 feet, .. never tried USB. If you are just working on the system downstairs, ssh is simple; you can also use another system with VNC, rdesktop, or X [run applications remotely]. OR, put a Rasberry PI upstairs for your "terminal"! To run just the HW upstairs you would need a KVM over TCP/IP unit, and they are pretty pricey: http://www.kvms.com/Section/1-Port-KVM-Over-IP-Switch.aspx ??? Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Sat Mar 23 12:19:02 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:19:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:55 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >Unfortunately, most of those style devices are Windoze only, .. be sure > to > check the specs before purchasing. > I've had generally good luck with the USB display products on Linux but, yes, its hit or miss and often very difficult to research. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Sat Mar 23 12:20:17 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, desert frag wrote: > The downstairs pc would be running windows and occasionally linux.? Distance is roughly 75 feet. > > I'm looking at this: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817403070&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-KVM+Switches-_-N82E16817403070&gclid=CP249YWck7YCFY4WMgod5mEAXA > > I don't need high resolution.? Would this possibly work? > Actually looks like it may work: "No software installation is required." By extending the KVM hardware (at 1600x1200 yet!), it would be OS independent. Running on a cable gives much better bandwidth and no RF problems. Let us know how it works! Lee From mfarver at mindbent.org Sat Mar 23 12:20:49 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:20:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM, desert frag wrote: > I'm looking at this: > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817403070&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-KVM+Switches-_-N82E16817403070&gclid=CP249YWck7YCFY4WMgod5mEAXA > > I'd be very uneasy about buying a product that uses PS/2 keyboard and mouse these days. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: A little off topic, but if anyone has purchased dedicated internet bandwidth recently for their business, could you please message me off list and let me know what your monthly cost and provider ended up being. Looking in the 100mbps and up range, so it would be fiber not DSL or cable. Thank you Mark Farver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Sat Mar 23 12:27:09 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:27:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] dumb terminal? In-Reply-To: References: <1364048337.89114.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364054869.86269.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Mark Farver wrote: > I'd be very uneasy about buying a product that uses PS/2 keyboard and mouse > these days. > I have had good luck with PS/2 -> USB adapters for my KVMs here on the desktop, .. look for "Active Converter" such as these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200713195442;jsessionid=905D8F7AB24DEA6098B664BCA4BECD6C?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D200713195442%26_rdc%3D1 The description is wonky, but if you look at the details there are two PS/2 female connectors and one USB male. Lee From mfarver at mindbent.org Sat Mar 23 12:42:04 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:42:04 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GR bandwidth pricing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > A little off topic, but if anyone has purchased dedicated internet > bandwidth recently for their business, could you please message me off list > and let me know what your monthly cost and provider ended up being. > > Looking in the 100mbps and up range, so it would be fiber not DSL or > cable. > > Should probably specify that I'll be offering dedicated hosting on the connection, so I need something with symmetric bandwidth and a provider that will provide more than a small handful of IP addresses. Charter business is pretty reasonable pricing for 100mbps service, but they will not allow resale and they restrict to 13 usable IP addresses. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This will likely be at colocation but since there are few colocation options around town (US Signal, and IServ, am I missing others?) I was curious what the going rate was for business access, since I figured everyone was likely to have more experience with that. I got one quote from a provider in town and was taken aback. I've paid less for 1Gbps access in other second tier markets than they quoted for 100mbps access in their datacenter here in GR. This is mostly a bootstrap effort and I want to experiment with some unconventional implementation ideas to drive the price down, so going to Chicago or Detroit would be a bit of a hassle. Extended from that, what price would you pay for a dedicated personal server with KVM access, a static IP and running on desktop grade hardware? Seems like the cheapest options are around 80-100$/month (iWeb) Again, personal emails are fine to avoid cluttering up the list. Mark On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 2:26 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Matthew Seeley wrote: > > > Do you need this directly at your home or business. Or can your servers > be > > co-located in an already-wired data center around town ? > > > In general, few bandwidth providers offer symmetrical bandwidth at 100Mbps. > > That was also my 2nd thought, .. that sort of bandwidth would require a > pretty expensive intrastructure - 10K+ UPS, 50KW+ generator, etc. > > Renting a rack at a CoLo facitlity might be a lot simpler and less > costly, .. OR consider a small cluster of VPS machines.. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Matthew Seeley wrote: > Do you need this directly at your home or business. Or can your servers be > co-located in an already-wired data center around town ? > In general, few bandwidth providers offer symmetrical bandwidth at 100Mbps. That was also my 2nd thought, .. that sort of bandwidth would require a pretty expensive intrastructure - 10K+ UPS, 50KW+ generator, etc. Renting a rack at a CoLo facitlity might be a lot simpler and less costly, .. OR consider a small cluster of VPS machines.. Lee _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 17:25:39 2013 From: joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com (Joseph VanDerStelt) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:25:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GR bandwidth pricing? In-Reply-To: <1309582744.843321.1364064665068.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1309582744.843321.1364064665068.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <514E1DD3.6040403@gmail.com> I use colostore.com. It is located out of South Bend, Indiana. While it is not right in your back yard it is only 2 hours away (I live in Muskegon and can go directly south). I have had little to no problem with them. There was a sketchy month while they were switching to a new building, but when you are moving physical servers from one building to another 10 blocks away and only see an hour of downtime one cannot complain I suppose. =) Oh, and colo cost is only 69.95 per month for 100Mbit up/down. Seems to offer everything you are asking for, so go take a look. On 3/23/2013 2:51 PM, scott.tanner at comcast.net wrote: > I just finished comparing VPS and co-lo space with a local ISP (1 rack w/ power and Internet Circuit vs 11 virtual servers and similar bandwidth ) for a DR infrastructure, and the virtual servers were slightly cheaper. Factor in the lack of hardware maintenance and ease of scalability and VPS is hard to beat - providing you can guarantee the same performance levels (if needed). > > > Regards, > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. V. Lammert" > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26:11 PM > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] GR bandwidth pricing? > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Matthew Seeley wrote: > >> Do you need this directly at your home or business. Or can your servers be >> co-located in an already-wired data center around town ? >> > In general, few bandwidth providers offer symmetrical bandwidth at 100Mbps. > > That was also my 2nd thought, .. that sort of bandwidth would require a > pretty expensive intrastructure - 10K+ UPS, 50KW+ generator, etc. > > Renting a rack at a CoLo facitlity might be a lot simpler and less > costly, .. OR consider a small cluster of VPS machines.. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From jjesse at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 22:35:33 2013 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:35:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] setting up a simple test email server Message-ID: At work I run a demo environment (All Windows Servers) and on my Domain Controller I leverage Mail Enable for my demo mail server. Mail Enable provides a very simple SMTP and POP access along with webmail. There is a MMC (Microsoft Management Console) snap-in that allows for administrating the system. So I'm running several Ubuntu VMs at home that I play around with, but would like to setup a simple internal mail server. If you Google Ubuntu and Mail server you get like 11000 results. So I'm hoping you guys could help out with this. Basically be able to send and receive email all within my local network (setup Kontact to send an email to a user also within my local system) and nothing external or outbound. I hope this makes sense what I am asking Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Mar 25 08:01:27 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:01:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] setting up a simple test email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51503C97.6090003@upmerchants.com> On 03/24/2013 10:35 PM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > At work I run a demo environment (All Windows Servers) and on my > Domain Controller I leverage Mail Enable for my demo mail server. > Mail Enable provides a very simple SMTP and POP access along with > webmail. There is a MMC (Microsoft Management Console) snap-in that > allows for administrating the system. > > So I'm running several Ubuntu VMs at home that I play around with, but > would like to setup a simple internal mail server. If you Google > Ubuntu and Mail server you get like 11000 results. So I'm hoping you > guys could help out with this. > > Basically be able to send and receive email all within my local > network (setup Kontact to send an email to a user also within my local > system) and nothing external or outbound. > > I hope this makes sense what I am asking Are you familiar with howtoforge.com? It is a great place to get tutorials on how to set up a lot of different stuff. There are many good email setup tutorials there. Give them a look. Patrick From awilliam at whitemice.org Mon Mar 25 09:22:21 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:22:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] setting up a simple test email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364217741.2474.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Sun, 2013-03-24 at 22:35 -0400, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > So I'm running several Ubuntu VMs at home that I play around with, but > would like to setup a simple internal mail server. If you Google > Ubuntu and Mail server you get like 11000 results. So I'm hoping you > guys could help out with this. Forget including "Ubuntu" in any searches, there is nothing of note that is distribution specific about configuring these services. Stop thinking in a distribution-centric mindset. It is Postfix, Cyrus, etc... *NOT* Ubuntu, CentOS, openSUSE.... You'll need working DNS in your private network before anything else will work. Once that is working setting up everything else shouldn't be anything out-of-the-ordinary. Just make MX records to yourself for you test domains [example.com/org/net is allocated for this purpose]. One handy trick is to sequester e-mail via Postfix rewriting. > Basically be able to send and receive email all within my local > network (setup Kontact to send an email to a user also within my local > system) and nothing external or outbound. > I hope this makes sense what I am asking -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From jjesse at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 09:50:05 2013 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:50:05 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] setting up a simple test email server In-Reply-To: <1364217741.2474.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1364217741.2474.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: Awesome thanks Adam, I think one of the "nice" things for me as I setup my demo system at work was that something simple like Mail Enable (http://www.mailenable.com/) provides the whole setup in a simple install. And this is a pretty newbie/dumb question but I would assume if I want mail (smtp and pop) and webmail then there would be 2 sets of packages (programs) to configure as well? Also (don't want to start a flame war) but is there one Mail System (Postfix, Cyrus) that is better (easier) to setup and configure. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2013-03-24 at 22:35 -0400, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > So I'm running several Ubuntu VMs at home that I play around with, but > > would like to setup a simple internal mail server. If you Google > > Ubuntu and Mail server you get like 11000 results. So I'm hoping you > > guys could help out with this. > > Forget including "Ubuntu" in any searches, there is nothing of note that > is distribution specific about configuring these services. Stop > thinking in a distribution-centric mindset. It is Postfix, Cyrus, > etc... *NOT* Ubuntu, CentOS, openSUSE.... > > You'll need working DNS in your private network before anything else > will work. Once that is working setting up everything else shouldn't be > anything out-of-the-ordinary. Just make MX records to yourself for you > test domains [example.com/org/net is allocated for this purpose]. > > One handy trick is to sequester e-mail via Postfix rewriting. > > > > Basically be able to send and receive email all within my local > > network (setup Kontact to send an email to a user also within my local > > system) and nothing external or outbound. > > I hope this makes sense what I am asking > > > -- > Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 > Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If someone is having a great deal of trouble configuring them then they are trying too hard, I've seen this rather frequently. Breathe, get a cup of coffee, and start over. openSUSE / SUSE provides a distribution-specific tool - YaST - that will do all the configuration for you. But, again, it isn't much. The default configurations are nearly there for 99.44% of installs. 1.) Authentication 1.a.) Cyrus 1.b.) Postfix - in either case saslauthd PLAIN is the simplest for a testing network or bootstrapping. 2.) Delivery [Postfix delivers to Cyrus via LMTP, for instance] 3.) What is your domain? 4.) SSL/TLS? Maybe not relevant for a testing network. Almost all Postfix configuration should be performed with the postconf tool, STAY OUT OF VI! If someone tells you to use VI to configure Postfix then ignore anything they ever say after that, forever. This might also be helpful -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From greenhulk at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 10:28:49 2013 From: greenhulk at gmail.com (Matthew Whitaker) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:28:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Reprogramming monitor EDID from linux Message-ID: I have a monitor that somehow lost it's EDID. The monitor still works, but it is now a nuisance to get the proper resolution set up because the OS cannot probe it and detect the proper resolutions to use. Has anyone ever tried to reset the EDID on a monitor from Linux? I have found some info on attempting it from Windows, but would rather try from the an OS I am more comfortable with. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 10:31:07 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:31:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] setting up a simple test email server In-Reply-To: <1364220382.2474.19.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1364217741.2474.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1364220382.2474.19.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: Just a quick note clarifying a few things smtp, pop, and webmail arent "packages". smtp is a protocol that one mail system uses to transmit email message to another mail system. pop is a protocol that mail clients such as thunderbird/eudora/outlook can use to download mail from a mailbox webmail is just a web-based app (php, cgi, asp, perl, etc) that functions as a mail client and retrieves mail either via pop, imap, or directly from files to dsplay to the user) Note that if you are going to be setting up one standalone mailserver with no external paths in or out, the "canned" configs will work. As will setting up one with standard inbound/outbound Internet settings with a real domain and real MX records. If you want to setup a system whereby multiple local servers are exchanging mail with either other without real domains and DNS, any "user friendly" configuration tools may well fall down completely.. And "which" mail server/software is best is in fact a highly subjective topic. Everyone has their favorite (which may simply be the one they know) and quite often people have built up strong objections to certain ones. FWIW, I prefer exim as an MTA. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 09:50 -0400, Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> And this is a pretty newbie/dumb question but I would assume if I want >> mail (smtp and pop) and webmail then there would be 2 sets of packages >> (programs) to configure as well? >> Also (don't want to start a flame war) but is there one Mail System >> (Postfix, Cyrus) that is better (easier) to setup and configure. > > No, and neither of those is difficult to configure/setup. > > In my experience, other than changing settings for the domain, etc... > and selecting an authentication mechanism they work out-of-the-box. > > If someone is having a great deal of trouble configuring them then they > are trying too hard, I've seen this rather frequently. Breathe, get a > cup of coffee, and start over. > > openSUSE / SUSE provides a distribution-specific tool - YaST - that will > do all the configuration for you. But, again, it isn't much. The > default configurations are nearly there for 99.44% of installs. > > 1.) Authentication > 1.a.) Cyrus > 1.b.) Postfix > - in either case saslauthd PLAIN is the simplest for a testing network > or bootstrapping. > 2.) Delivery [Postfix delivers to Cyrus via LMTP, for instance] > 3.) What is your domain? > 4.) SSL/TLS? Maybe not relevant for a testing network. > > Almost all Postfix configuration should be performed with the postconf > tool, STAY OUT OF VI! If someone tells you to use VI to configure > Postfix then ignore anything they ever say after that, forever. > > This might also be helpful > > > > -- > Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 > Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From brousch at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 10:52:33 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:52:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Linux Antivirus Message-ID: I know some of you use ClamAV, but has anyone tried any of the others in this list? http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-anti-virus-apps-for-linux-669087/1#articleContent -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From john at wesorick.com Tue Mar 26 11:01:42 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:01:42 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Linux Antivirus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use NOD32 on a Samba server. I haven't used any desktop antivirus on Linux. On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Ben Rousch wrote: > I know some of you use ClamAV, but has anyone tried any of the others > in this list? > > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-anti-virus-apps-for-linux-669087/1#articleContent > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Tue Mar 26 14:44:33 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:44:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] MK802/808 Message-ID: Hi GR Linux/Makers, We're working on a display project with the Raspberry Pi's but availability is an issue so we're looking to test MK802/808. If you have one for us to test with please bring it to the GRMaker's social tomorrow night. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Mar 26 15:54:59 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:54:59 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Linux Antivirus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364327699.1772.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 10:52 -0400, Ben Rousch wrote: > I know some of you use ClamAV, but has anyone tried any of the others > in this list? > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-anti-virus-apps-for-linux-669087/1#articleContent I use CLAMAV I dealt with a site that used AVG, but that was 5+ years ago. So my opinion either way is no longer of any merit. I've dealt with BitDefender more recently. It seems to do its thing. I feel they are all adequate, perform more-or-less the same, and the advantages/disadvantages between them do not rise much above the tedious. If one really is more fitting than another it depends on site-specific details. You will get false-positives and misses with any such tool - don't over react. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From desertfrag at yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 21:09:03 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] software suggestion - follow up Message-ID: <1364346543.57933.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ok the server side of Linux is a new experience so bear with me. I've set up a web site on my VPS:? http://192.210.207.15/ Note it's Ngnix.? I think php and mysql were installed. http://192.210.207.15/info.php Hack away :) One suggestion was to use OwnCloud for an image hosting solution.? Well, it's a mess with CentOS right now.? https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/issues/56 https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/pull/67 Since it's a mess I haven't proceeded. My original question was: > I've been using my new VPS mostly as a linux test bed and to learn more > about it.? When I'm at a forum and want to attach a picture to a post I > normally use places like photobucket or imageshack.? I would like my new > server to handle this instead.? Any suggestions on what to use?? We're > talking an occasional need, low activity situation.? CentOS x86-64. Another suggestion was: 'Just set up a simple web server with Nginx or Twisted, and an SSH bookmark to the shared folder. Drag and drop at will.' Alright, since it appears Nginx is functioning ok how do I proceed?? How are images uploaded to the site? Do directories need to be created on the server?? What would be the url of the images if I wanted to point someone to a picture(s)?? 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URL will be http://[your_server_IP]/pics/whatever_the_filename_is.jpg On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM, desert frag wrote: > Ok the server side of Linux is a new experience so bear with me. > > I've set up a web site on my VPS: http://192.210.207.15/ > > Note it's Ngnix. I think php and mysql were installed. > > http://192.210.207.15/info.php > > Hack away :) > > One suggestion was to use OwnCloud for an image hosting solution. Well, > it's a mess with CentOS right now. > > https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/issues/56 > https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/pull/67 > > Since it's a mess I haven't proceeded. > > My original question was: > >> I've been using my new VPS mostly as a linux test bed and to learn more >> about it. When I'm at a forum and want to attach a picture to a post I >> normally use places like photobucket or imageshack. I would like my new >> server to handle this instead. Any suggestions on what to use? We're >> talking an occasional need, low activity situation. CentOS x86-64. > > Another suggestion was: > > 'Just set up a simple web server with Nginx or Twisted, and an SSH bookmark > to the shared folder. Drag and drop at will.' > > Alright, since it appears Nginx is functioning ok how do I proceed? How are > images uploaded to the site? Do directories need to be created on the > server? What would be the url of the images if I wanted to point someone to > a picture(s)? > > Would appreciate specific step by steps. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 09:12:27 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation Message-ID: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices in the Grand Rapids metro area? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 09:45:32 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:45:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree, I run my own cables all the time and have at least a couple tools hanging around to make cables. It's a cheap and easy way to do it. Google making RJ45 Network cables and it'll show you the pin-outs. Sincerely, Dan On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:42 AM, John Wesorick wrote: > Why not do it yourself? It's not that hard. > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > >> I am interested in that also >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, desert frag wrote: >> >>> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices in >>> the Grand Rapids metro area? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 09:56:08 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364392568.70393.YahooMailNeo@web162406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> For those who think it's easy feel free to contact me off list to make arrangements to do the job. ________________________________ From: Steve Romanow To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids MI area Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation I can do it but fishing cable is not my thing. Terminating the cable is the easy part. _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:56 AM, desert frag wrote: > For those who think it's easy feel free to contact me off list to make > arrangements to do the job. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Steve Romanow > *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids MI area < > grlug at grlug.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:51 AM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > I can do it but fishing cable is not my thing. Terminating the cable is > the easy part. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to make such shitty cables > until I got a racheting crimper. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 10:27:49 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:27:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <998FC9CD-3863-414D-95E2-1D8C68DD9AEB@zigg.com> Message-ID: <515301E5.3080408@gmail.com> Agreed that you want to use female ends in construction work, but I've never had a self-made, properly-constructed solid-conductor RJ54 end (either cat5 or cat6) fail. YMMV, I suppose. On 03/27/2013 10:22 AM, moosebriard wrote: > Putting RJ45 males on solid conductor cable is not advised. Better to > put female jacks on each end of the cable(s) then use patch cords. > RJ45's on solid conductor cable will fail eventually. > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Matt Behrens > wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Steve Romanow > wrote: >> >> Terminating the cable is the easy part. >> > Definitely helps to have good tools. I used to make such shitty > cables until I got a racheting crimper. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes they are both expensive and incompetent. >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Steve Romanow >wrote: >> I am interested in that also >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, desert frag >wrote: >>> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices >in >>> the Grand Rapids metro area? -- Adam Tauno Williams From moosebriard at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 10:35:52 2013 From: moosebriard at gmail.com (moosebriard) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:35:52 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <998FC9CD-3863-414D-95E2-1D8C68DD9AEB@zigg.com> <515301E5.3080408@gmail.com> Message-ID: They will last a long time. The less you move them, the longer they last. Vibration will make them fail also. Sounded like we had some inexperienced cablers so offering my expertise. I always check the cable ends first when there is a failure and males were used. That is a good place to look and is a simple fix by just re-crimping. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: > On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > > Agreed that you want to use female ends in construction work, but I've > > never had a self-made, properly-constructed solid-conductor RJ54 end > > (either cat5 or cat6) fail. YMMV, I suppose. > > Yeah, I was about to say, I'm sure that's by far the better idea, but for > my low-grade home work, it's been just fine. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moosebriard at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 10:44:37 2013 From: moosebriard at gmail.com (moosebriard) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:44:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> Message-ID: I've seen them wire-nutted, taped together...I even saw a whole rack terminated where the contractor saved half on the amount of cable by splitting out 2 pairs to 2 jacks for each cable. Wish I was there if they ever try to run POE or go GB. Definitely best to have someone you know assist. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams < awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote: > John Wesorick wrote: > >Why not do it yourself? It's not that hard. > > Agree. Most electrical contractors will install cat cable, at least down > to the box. Then there is just the issue of terminating the jacks; either > do that yourself or train an intern. Everyone I've dealt with commercially > is either crazy expensive or does a REALLY LOUSY job - I've seen cat cables > spliced with wire nuts! No joke. Sometimes they are both expensive and > incompetent. > > >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Steve Romanow > >wrote: > >> I am interested in that also > >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, desert frag > >wrote: > >>> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices > >in > >>> the Grand Rapids metro area? > > -- > Adam Tauno Williams > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wish I was there if > they ever try to run POE or go GB. > > Definitely best to have someone you know assist. > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams > > wrote: > > John Wesorick > wrote: > >Why not do it yourself? It's not that hard. > > Agree. Most electrical contractors will install cat cable, at least > down to the box. Then there is just the issue of terminating the > jacks; either do that yourself or train an intern. Everyone I've > dealt with commercially is either crazy expensive or does a REALLY > LOUSY job - I've seen cat cables spliced with wire nuts! No joke. > Sometimes they are both expensive and incompetent. > > >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Steve Romanow > > > >wrote: > >> I am interested in that also > >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, desert frag > > > >wrote: > >>> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices > >in > >>> the Grand Rapids metro area? > > -- > Adam Tauno Williams > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's ridiculous what people are paying for cable/satellite tv these days unless having dozens of shopping, religious, or Spanish channels is your thing. ________________________________ From: Adam Tauno Williams To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation John Wesorick wrote: >Why not do it yourself? It's not that hard. Agree.? Most electrical contractors will install cat cable, at least down to the box.? Then there is just the issue of terminating the jacks;? either do that yourself or train an intern.? Everyone I've dealt with commercially is either crazy expensive or does a REALLY LOUSY job - I've seen cat cables spliced with wire nuts! No joke.? Sometimes they are both expensive and incompetent. >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Steve Romanow >wrote: >> I am interested in that also >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, desert frag >wrote: >>> Who does cat5/6 cable installs for residential at reasonable prices >in >>> the Grand Rapids metro area? -- Adam Tauno Williams _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I previously lived in a metro area > not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose business > emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at reasonable > prices. > > > Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 11:14:25 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364397265.97040.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Good point. ?GR + GRLUG = good luck, do it yourself. ?Oh well, at least I got 1 referral. ________________________________ From: Ben Rousch To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation Also, you should take into account that you're asking on a mailing list full of people who tend to DIY, so they may not have much exposure to the people who do it for you (for money). On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: > On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > > The replies have really surprised me.? I previously lived in a metro area > not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose business > emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at reasonable > prices. > > > Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch ? brousch at gmail.com ? http://clusterbleep.net/ _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those three things are (a) expensive (b) rare or (c) a+b. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Mar 27 11:16:40 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:16:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <1364397265.97040.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364397265.97040.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364397400.2040.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 08:14 -0700, desert frag wrote: > Good point. GR + GRLUG = good luck, do it yourself. Oh well, at > least I got 1 referral. Indeed, if you use "George Hoegen " - who I've never dealt with - please feedback. I'd be interested in knowing someone to call that someone has vouched for. I currently have nobody and no organization I'd be willing to vouch for. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From casey at grlug.org Wed Mar 27 11:17:53 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:17:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I did home automation in California in early 2000 and had hoped to move back here and start my own business doing this type of work but just about then the construction industry took a big hit so I stuck with selling computers to provide for my family. I have all of the tools necessary to pull wires and test once installed and will share with fellow grluggers. I've even helped a couple on this list to locate and pull wires in the past but will all of my family, work and social commitments lately I'm not likely to have enough time left to sleep let alone assist others. If you are interested in burrowing the tools just show up at one of the Wendesday GRLUG/GRMakers Socials @ The Warehouse. Casey On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Ben Rousch wrote: > Also, you should take into account that you're asking on a mailing > list full of people who tend to DIY, so they may not have much > exposure to the people who do it for you (for money). > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > > > > The replies have really surprised me. I previously lived in a metro area > > not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose business > > emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at reasonable > > prices. > > > > > > Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. > ;-) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post and the bartering can begin. _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Wed Mar 27 11:34:54 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:34:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The GRMakers has teamed with thingshare.co and will have online tool sharing for all members thru their site. We're hoping to start loading our tools soon. 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Else I'll > contact George. > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Romanow > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter > board webapp for needs. > > Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post > and the bartering can begin. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 11:40:41 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398311.51755.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Existing home, roughly 8 years old. ?It's a ranch house plus basement and there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room in the house. ________________________________ From: Dave Chiodo To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag wrote: > Ok I'm game.? If some of you would like to cable my house as a project I'll > provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned on > having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver.? 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It's a ranch house plus basement and > there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room in the > house. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dave Chiodo > *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in > greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag > wrote: > > Ok I'm game. If some of you would like to cable my house as a project > I'll > > provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned > on > > having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver. Else I'll > > contact George. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Steve Romanow > > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > > > I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter > > board webapp for needs. > > > > Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post > > and the bartering can begin. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 11:54:15 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:54:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398311.51755.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the past I've run miles of cable in an old factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished basement, so some ugliness) If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to terminate to. I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping over each other than pulling cable :P On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag wrote: > Existing home, roughly 8 years old. It's a ranch house plus basement and > there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room in the > house. > > ________________________________ > From: Dave Chiodo > To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater > Grand Rapids, MI area." > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag wrote: >> Ok I'm game. If some of you would like to cable my house as a project >> I'll >> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned >> on >> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver. Else I'll >> contact George. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Steve Romanow >> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter >> board webapp for needs. >> >> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post >> and the bartering can begin. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 12:01:00 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <515317BC.6000801@gmail.com> On 03/27/2013 11:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > The replies have really surprised me. I previously lived in a metro > area not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose > business emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at > reasonable prices. I've done this kind of work for money. Most of the people on this list probably have this kind of work somewhere in their job description, either explicit or as needed. It comes with the territory. The skills are not in short supply. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the beer, right? ?:) The patch panel sounds like a good idea ... nothing like doing it right. ?You're certainly invited to stop over to assess the situation and I certainly understand the need for flexibility. ?The basement is part open, part drywall. ?I wouldn't mind if we had a smaller group show up. ?If larger then its Pabst, not Founders :) ________________________________ From: Dave Chiodo To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation In the past I've run miles of cable in an old factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished basement, so some ugliness) If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to terminate to. I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping over each other than pulling cable :P On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag wrote: > Existing home, roughly 8 years old.? It's a ranch house plus basement and > there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room in the > house. > > ________________________________ > From: Dave Chiodo > To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater > Grand Rapids, MI area." > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag wrote: >> Ok I'm game.? If some of you would like to cable my house as a project >> I'll >> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned >> on >> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver.? Else I'll >> contact George. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Steve Romanow >> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter >> board webapp for needs. >> >> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post >> and the bartering can begin. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at demaagd.com Wed Mar 27 13:10:23 2013 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:10:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <515327FF.9020209@demaagd.com> Dutchmen also tend to be luddites. But for home use, I think the typical homeowner is just going to set up a WAP and call it done. The market for wiring a home network might not be what it once was. On 3/27/13 11:09 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: > On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:07 AM, desert frag > wrote: > >> The replies have really surprised me. I previously lived in a metro >> area not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose >> business emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at >> reasonable prices. > > Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. ;-) -- Jeff DM-Accessories From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 13:30:30 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:30:30 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <515327FF.9020209@demaagd.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <515327FF.9020209@demaagd.com> Message-ID: Wifi is getting crowded - going wired anywhere you can avoids lots of interference. A length of properly run cat5 guarantees interference-free 100Mbits.. Or cat6/Gbit if you get Gbit capable stuff. Granted, pro-installed wiring is going to cost quite a bit more than even a GOOD wifi AP... On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Jeff DeMaagd wrote: > > > Dutchmen also tend to be luddites. > > But for home use, I think the typical homeowner is just going to set up a > WAP and call it done. The market for wiring a home network might not be what > it once was. > > > > > On 3/27/13 11:09 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: >> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:07 AM, desert frag > > wrote: >> >>> The replies have really surprised me. I previously lived in a metro >>> area not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose >>> business emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at >>> reasonable prices. >> >> >> Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. >> ;-) > > > > -- > Jeff > DM-Accessories > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 13:38:28 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:38:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <515327FF.9020209@demaagd.com> Message-ID: We are using wifi right now, but I wouldn't mind retiring that. It is working though. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Wifi is getting crowded - going wired anywhere you can avoids lots of > interference. A length of properly run cat5 guarantees > interference-free 100Mbits.. Or cat6/Gbit if you get Gbit capable > stuff. > > Granted, pro-installed wiring is going to cost quite a bit more than > even a GOOD wifi AP... > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Jeff DeMaagd wrote: > > > > > > Dutchmen also tend to be luddites. > > > > But for home use, I think the typical homeowner is just going to set up a > > WAP and call it done. The market for wiring a home network might not be > what > > it once was. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/27/13 11:09 AM, Matt Behrens wrote: > >> > >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:07 AM, desert frag >> > wrote: > >> > >>> The replies have really surprised me. I previously lived in a metro > >>> area not much larger than GR where there were a half dozen guys whose > >>> business emphasized this type of work and who did a terrific job at > >>> reasonable prices. > >> > >> > >> Dutchmen always try to do it themselves if they can save a few pennies. > >> ;-) > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff > > DM-Accessories > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 14:15:52 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <1364400357.322.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398311.51755.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364400357.322.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51533758.8000504@gmail.com> I made an offer to look at Steve's house, suggested he come to GRMakers tonight to discuss it. Might I make the same suggestion for you? (Though I'm terrified this might turn into a bikeshedding[1] event...) [1] http://www.bikeshed.com/ On 03/27/2013 12:05 PM, desert frag wrote: > I appreciate all the interest. It's the beer, right? :) > > The patch panel sounds like a good idea ... nothing like doing it right. > You're certainly invited to stop over to assess the situation and I > certainly understand the need for flexibility. The basement is part > open, part drywall. I wouldn't mind if we had a smaller group show up. > If larger then its Pabst, not Founders :) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Dave Chiodo > *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in > greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:54 AM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > In the past I've run miles of cable in an old > factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, > ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in > the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff > zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) > > I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished > basement, so some ugliness) > > If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, > I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to > terminate to. > > I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. > > And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on > board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping > over each other than pulling cable :P > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag > wrote: >> Existing home, roughly 8 years old. It's a ranch house plus basement and >> there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room > in the >> house. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dave Chiodo > >> To: desert frag >; > "Mailing List for LUG in greater >> Grand Rapids, MI area." > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >> This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag > wrote: >>> Ok I'm game. If some of you would like to cable my house as a project >>> I'll >>> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned >>> on >>> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver. Else I'll >>> contact George. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Steve Romanow > >>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>> >>> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter >>> board webapp for needs. >>> >>> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post >>> and the bartering can begin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 14:39:03 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cable installation In-Reply-To: <51533758.8000504@gmail.com> References: <1364389947.13039.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1de866e9-ce94-435a-b81d-9ba32708505e@email.android.com> <1364396834.49098.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398311.51755.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364400357.322.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51533758.8000504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364409543.58785.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the invite but have a prior engagement unfortunately. ?I've been in conversation with Dave Chiodo off list who actually works quite close to where I live and would probably?let him quarterback this if he's so inclined. ?Once the details are worked out I'll get back. ? ps It's amusing to refresh that web site. ?If it's of any consolation I am color neutral on cat cabling :) ________________________________ From: Michael Mol To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation I made an offer to look at Steve's house, suggested he come to GRMakers tonight to discuss it. Might I make the same suggestion for you? (Though I'm terrified this might turn into a bikeshedding[1] event...) [1] http://www.bikeshed.com/ On 03/27/2013 12:05 PM, desert frag wrote: > I appreciate all the interest.? It's the beer, right?? :) > > The patch panel sounds like a good idea ... nothing like doing it right. >? You're certainly invited to stop over to assess the situation and I > certainly understand the need for flexibility.? The basement is part > open, part drywall.? I wouldn't mind if we had a smaller group show up. >? If larger then its Pabst, not Founders :) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Dave Chiodo > *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in > greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:54 AM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > In the past I've run miles of cable in an old > factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, > ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in > the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff > zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) > > I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished > basement, so some ugliness) > > If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, > I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to > terminate to. > > I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. > > And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on > board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping > over each other than pulling cable :P > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag > wrote: >> Existing home, roughly 8 years old.? It's a ranch house plus basement and >> there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room > in the >> house. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dave Chiodo > >> To: desert frag >; > "Mailing List for LUG in greater >> Grand Rapids, MI area." > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >> This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag > wrote: >>> Ok I'm game.? If some of you would like to cable my house as a project >>> I'll >>> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, conditioned >>> on >>> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver.? Else I'll >>> contact George. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Steve Romanow > >>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>> >>> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers barter >>> board webapp for needs. >>> >>> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can post >>> and the bartering can begin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1364412696.53343.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364412696.53343.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Password or client side ssl certificate would be my recommendation. On Mar 27, 2013 3:31 PM, "Joseph McLaughlin" wrote: > I have a new vps. I would like limit access to its web pages to my own ip > address and my own smart phone. > I tried iptable to accept my ip and to drop all else. > But I have not yet found a way to id my phone! > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Mar 27 15:33:52 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:33:52 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] How to unquiely identify a smart phone on web site? In-Reply-To: <1364412696.53343.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364412696.53343.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364412832.2040.9.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 12:31 -0700, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > I have a new vps. I would like limit access to its web pages to my own > ip address and my own smart phone. > I tried iptable to accept my ip and to drop all else. > But I have not yet found a way to id my phone! Certificate based authentication. On recent-ish Android devices you can import certificates from the SD [or I assume any 'local' storage]. Then you should be able to use an issued certificate to authenticate the requests. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From chrischocko at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 18:31:21 2013 From: chrischocko at gmail.com (Chris Chocko) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:31:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] carpool to makers group Message-ID: Is anyone heading to the meeting tonight from downtown GR or the NE side? I might need a ride, not sure if I have one yet. I can chip in for gas. Feel free to call or text. (616) 283 8102 -Chris On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:35 PM, wrote: > Send grlug mailing list submissions to > grlug at grlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > grlug-request at grlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > grlug-owner at grlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of grlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pivotal Tracker? (Steve Romanow) > 2. Re: Pivotal Tracker? (Ryan Pusztai) > 3. How to unquiely identify a smart phone on web site? > (Joseph McLaughlin) > 4. Re: How to unquiely identify a smart phone on web site? > (Mark Farver) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:41:44 -0400 > From: Steve Romanow > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: [GRLUG] Pivotal Tracker? > Message-ID: > < > CAAuMJGEk7qfXApypWVyhmYA3YOmSQTXP-RDyJtL_foRVhMXscQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Any fans of this product? > > I am looking at it. I remember one of the devs at grpug was a fan. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130327/08f046cd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:06:14 -0400 > From: Ryan Pusztai > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Pivotal Tracker? > Message-ID: > FirtiPAz_eOfb1rC5UeDA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Steve, > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Steve Romanow > wrote: > > > Any fans of this product? > > > > I am looking at it. I remember one of the devs at grpug was a fan. > > > > I use it extensively at work and it works so well we are able to run > without a Software Project Engineer (We had one in the past). I really like > it. It simplifies so many aspects of SCRUM/Agile development. > > I highly recommend it. > -- > Regards, > Ryan > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130327/8192621b/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joseph McLaughlin > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: [GRLUG] How to unquiely identify a smart phone on web site? > Message-ID: > <1364412696.53343.YahooMailNeo at web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have a new vps. I would like limit access to its web pages to my own ip > address and my own smart phone. > I tried iptable to accept my ip and to drop all else. > But I have not yet found a way to id my phone! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130327/e714f3e9/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:33:16 -0400 > From: Mark Farver > To: Joseph McLaughlin > Cc: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] How to unquiely identify a smart phone on web > site? > Message-ID: > QBebp7dsSR_R3DtLsFCuZmA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Password or client side ssl certificate would be my recommendation. > On Mar 27, 2013 3:31 PM, "Joseph McLaughlin" wrote: > > > I have a new vps. I would like limit access to its web pages to my own ip > > address and my own smart phone. > > I tried iptable to accept my ip and to drop all else. > > But I have not yet found a way to id my phone! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130327/2e6b9c2d/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > End of grlug Digest, Vol 84, Issue 52 > ************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Wed Mar 27 23:08:29 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:08:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] live USB web server Message-ID: <1364440109.2100.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> If I'm running apache on my laptop and have dynamic DNS service, can I function as a website from a NATted LAN without having access to the LAN's router to set up port forwarding--eg, in a public hotspot? A browser can have two-way communication from a NATted position. But as I understand it, that's because the browser initiates the contact and the router can recognize replies to that initiated contact. This seems to break down to two questions: 1. Can my computer on the "foreign" LAN communicate the LAN's public IP address to the dynamic DNS service? I'm guessing that I could manually let the dynamic DNS know, once I use something like "WhatismyIP.com." 2. If that's done, is there a way that someone who thereby knows my domain's temporary public IP address can get beyond the router to my web server? From megadave at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 23:55:10 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:55:10 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] live USB web server In-Reply-To: <1364440109.2100.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1364440109.2100.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 1. Yes, it can hit something like whatismyip.com to get its IP, and then communicate that any way it wants. 2. Generally, not unless the webserver initiates the connection, but if the router supports UPNP, *maybe*. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > If I'm running apache on my laptop and have dynamic DNS service, can I > function as a website from a NATted LAN without having access to the > LAN's router to set up port forwarding--eg, in a public hotspot? > > A browser can have two-way communication from a NATted position. But as > I understand it, that's because the browser initiates the contact and > the router can recognize replies to that initiated contact. > > This seems to break down to two questions: > 1. Can my computer on the "foreign" LAN communicate the LAN's public IP > address to the dynamic DNS service? I'm guessing that I could manually > let the dynamic DNS know, once I use something like "WhatismyIP.com." > > 2. If that's done, is there a way that someone who thereby knows my > domain's temporary public IP address can get beyond the router to my web > server? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 00:00:06 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:00:06 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] live USB web server In-Reply-To: References: <1364440109.2100.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I think using upnp to modify someone else's router configuration would be in poor taste. If you don't have access or permission to setup port forwarding you prob shouldn't serve content from there. =) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 00:06:31 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:06:31 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] live USB web server In-Reply-To: References: <1364440109.2100.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: That may be - I was of course speaking as far as the technical capability, not whether it was in good taste. Although UPnP doesnt change the "config" of the router. It basically opens a return path, much like NAT does anyway, except it allows for inbound connections - its a service provided by the router, if it supports it. If this is a router in a corporate environment, maintained by qualified admins, it probably does NOT have UPnP suport enabled. If it does, one *could* argue that its admins intended for internal machines to be able to request inbound port forwarding. But yes, its always a good idea to ask before using a network in such a manner, if you are not the administrator of said network, to stay out of legal hot water. The webserver inside could also always ssh out to some machine under the control of its owner, that itself has a public IP, and then use ssh port-forwarding to map a port from that machine back to itself. A "reverse VPN" so to speak. On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > I think using upnp to modify someone else's router configuration would be in > poor taste. If you don't have access or permission to setup port forwarding > you prob shouldn't serve content from there. =) > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From casey at grlug.org Thu Mar 28 09:27:24 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:27:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] New Gig @ Service Express Message-ID: Yo Everyone!!! Who just got the new gig @ Service Express??? 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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Terry Hudgens wrote: > Heard it was some guy from jersey named Fellersnatch..... > > > On Thursday, March 28, 2013, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Yo Everyone!!! >> >> Who just got the new gig @ Service Express??? >> >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Mar 29 10:40:02 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (ebever at researchintegration.org) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:40:02 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] Strange print to file behavior Message-ID: <1364568002.5155a7c25c39b@webmail.researchintegration.org> I'm trying to print to file a page from Firerox (localhost/budget). When I select /home/eric/Finances/planning/budgetReports, it insists on printing to /home/eric. But it will print to /home/eric/Finances/planning. budgetReports has the same permissions as the other directories in the path. ??? Is there maybe some "depth" limit on how "deep" one can go in the "Save in Folder" option? Or something else I'm missing? Thanks. From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Mar 29 10:45:36 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (ebever at researchintegration.org) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:45:36 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] Strange print to file behavior In-Reply-To: <1364568002.5155a7c25c39b@webmail.researchintegration.org> References: <1364568002.5155a7c25c39b@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: <1364568336.5155a91015350@webmail.researchintegration.org> Weird. Now it's doing it. ??? Seems to be maybe random. Nearly as I can tell I'm not doing anything different when it decides to do it right. Whatever. Quoting ebever at researchintegration.org: > I'm trying to print to file a page from Firerox (localhost/budget). > > When I select /home/eric/Finances/planning/budgetReports, it insists on > printing > to /home/eric. > > But it will print to /home/eric/Finances/planning. > > budgetReports has the same permissions as the other directories in the path. > > ??? > > Is there maybe some "depth" limit on how "deep" one can go in the "Save in > Folder" option? > > Or something else I'm missing? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Mar 29 22:30:48 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:30:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] find a passphrase locked file Message-ID: <1364610648.1638.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there a way to search a computer to find any passphrase or password locked files? From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 22:36:26 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:36:26 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: <5138BB1F.9040600@gmail.com> References: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> <5138BB1F.9040600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51564FAA.4020801@gmail.com> Almost five months to the day later...Streakwave has shipped my router. Though I did prod them again on the 7th of March...I wonder if they lost/forgot my order. On 03/07/2013 11:06 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > It was supposed to ship to resellers in November. Looks like I ordered > it from Streakwave November 1st, followed up November 5th...and it still > hasn't arrived. Last I talked with Streakwave, they didn't yet have an ETA. > > > On 03/07/2013 10:54 AM, Dagny Mol wrote: >> It was supposed to arrive in November, I think you ordered it a couple >> months before that. >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> I ordered mine from Streakwave back in November...and they still haven't >>> shipped it. >>> >>> On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: >>>> Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM, L. V. Lammert >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. would >>>> anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Lee >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like I >ordered >> it from Streakwave November 1st, followed up November 5th...and it >still >> hasn't arrived. Last I talked with Streakwave, they didn't yet have >an ETA. >> On 03/07/2013 10:54 AM, Dagny Mol wrote: >>> It was supposed to arrive in November, I think you ordered it a >couple >>> months before that >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Michael Mol >wrote: >>>> I ordered mine from Streakwave back in November...and they still >haven't >>>> shipped it. >>>> On 03/07/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: >>>>> Ubiquiti Edgemax lite if you can find one. >>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM, L. V. Lammert >>>> > wrote: >>>>> Have a BEFSX41 that is getting blamed for choking at 3Mbps, .. >would >>>>> anyone have a suggestion on a replacement? Do not need WiFi. -- Adam Tauno Williams From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Mar 29 22:48:50 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:48:50 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] find a passphrase locked file In-Reply-To: <1364610648.1638.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1364610648.1638.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <01dac7a7-9ca0-4194-85d7-4feb32fb3a52@email.android.com> Eric Beversluis wrote: >Is there a way to search a computer to find any passphrase or password >locked files? No, not directly. It depends on what 'type' of protection you are asking about. GPG files can generally be recognized by the file command, ssl armoured files are a bit more dicey. Office / OpenDoc type files that are protected aren't any different than non protected files.... but if you look at the metadata gathered by tracker it might know - then your answer is just a SPARQL query away. -- Adam Tauno Williams From mikemol at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 23:02:12 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:02:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: <3020836f-f3ef-4f5e-8146-94b55d7a7f22@email.android.com> References: <5138B7C7.8030606@gmail.com> <5138BB1F.9040600@gmail.com> <51564FAA.4020801@gmail.com> <3020836f-f3ef-4f5e-8146-94b55d7a7f22@email.android.com> Message-ID: <515655B4.80906@gmail.com> On 03/29/2013 10:42 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: >> Almost five months to the day later...Streakwave has shipped my router. >> Though I did prod them again on the 7th of March...I wonder if they >> lost/forgot my order. > > Wow; in that time I've acquired no less than 5 Cisco 2811s off of e-bay... > > I hope you got a discount for your wait. It was known to be on back-order at the time. I had no idea the wait would be that long, though... A reminder, this is the router in question: http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax#EdgeMAXhardware At $99, it's running a customized version of Debian, plus hardware acceleration. (I don't think it's using CAM...could be they implemented most of the network stack in an FPGA. Dunno.) I believe it's running either quagga or vyatta underneath for most of its work. There's not much further to discount...but it'll beat the pants off even DD-WRT on devices at similar price points. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From chouse at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 00:36:23 2013 From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:36:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Slightly OT, .. SMB Router Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1362678237.3227.0.camel@p105s6207.site> Message-ID: Did not have good luck with the Cisco RV220W - very chunky GUI/web interface, slow to issue DHCP addresses, and started limiting my 60 meg connection to 30 meg. But, has all the VPN bells & whistles. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > Buy a used Cisco 28xx series router off E-Bay. It will handle a *lot* > > of traffic, and will be extremely reliable. > > > It looks like a Cisco RV180W has a GigE network switch, .. and we can > probably live with the WiFi; it does n & most VPN clients. > > Thanks for the suggestions! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Next, mkdir /usr/share/nginx/html/pics then I uploaded a file called snapshot1.png to the pics directory. Next, chown desertfrag /usr/share/nginx/html/pics. I wanted to make sure the server was running so: service php-fpm start service nginx start service mysql start But when I execute http://192.210.207.15/snapshot1.png I get a '404 Not Found' response. Any ideas? ---------------------------------------------- If you've got the webserver running, ll you need to di is figure out where its documentroot is. I'm sure that is in its documentation somewhere. I'm not familiar with ngnix, but the typical "default" location is /var/www/ SSH into the box, use su/sudo to create a directory within that path. Call it "pics" (or whatever you want) Then chown it to your norml non-root user account (Make one if you dont have ne) Then all you need to do is SCP files into it. URL will be http://[your_server_IP]/pics/whatever_the_filename_is.jpg ------------------------------------------- ?On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM, desert frag wrote: >Ok the server side of Linux is a new experience so bear with me. >>I've set up a web site on my VPS: http://192.210.207.15/ >>Note it's Ngnix. I think php and mysql were installed. >>http://192.210.207.15/info.php >>Hack away :) >>One suggestion was to use OwnCloud for an image hosting solution. Well, >it's a mess with CentOS right now. >>https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/issues/56 >https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/pull/67 >>Since it's a mess I haven't proceeded. >>My original question was: >>>I've been using my new VPS mostly as a linux test bed and to learn more >>about it. When I'm at a forum and want to attach a picture to a post I >>normally use places like photobucket or imageshack. I would like my new >>server to handle this instead. Any suggestions on what to use? We're >>talking an occasional need, low activity situation. CentOS x86-64. >>Another suggestion was: >>'Just set up a simple web server with Nginx or Twisted, and an SSH bookmark >to the shared folder. Drag and drop at will.' >>Alright, since it appears Nginx is functioning ok how do I proceed? How are >images uploaded to the site? Do directories need to be created on the >server? What would be the url of the images if I wanted to point someone to >a picture(s)? >>Would appreciate specific step by steps. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: