From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 08:29:15 2013 From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:29:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mechanical Keyboard Switches Message-ID: A nice article that explains the difference in the newest mechanical keyboard switches and where to get keyboards with them. Since there was a discussion a while ago about keyboards, I thought someone might be interested. http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347 -- My Blog - http://sscherbinski.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Mon Jun 10 12:20:30 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:20:30 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] 2tb to 4tb drive clone In-Reply-To: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1370881230.6034.0.camel@linux-22wg.site> On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 09:13 -0700, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > Is there a way to clone a 2tb drive to a 4tb drive that is used in the > boot? What do you mean by "clone"? Do you need to clone or just move the installation and make it bootable? What OS(s)? > If I have to do a re install - is there a check list I should follow? You never need to re-install. From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Jun 10 12:32:07 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:32:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] 2tb to 4tb drive clone In-Reply-To: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51B5FF87.8000406@upmerchants.com> On 06/10/2013 12:13 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > Is there a way to clone a 2tb drive to a 4tb drive that is used in the > boot? > > If I have to do a re install - is there a check list I should follow? > > Thanks! > You can use a gparted cd (gparted.sourceforge.net) to clone the 2tb to the 4tb. After the clone you can then expand the partition to use the remaining space or create a new partition in the free space. Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 10 12:49:17 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:49:17 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] 2tb to 4tb drive clone In-Reply-To: <51B60006.8010401@upmerchants.com> References: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51B60006.8010401@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: <51B6038D.40806@earthlink.net> On 06/10/2013 12:34 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > > On 06/10/2013 12:13 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: >> Is there a way to clone a 2tb drive to a 4tb drive that is used in >> the boot? >> >> If I have to do a re install - is there a check list I should follow? >> >> Thanks! >> >> > > You could also use clonezilla (www.clonezilla.org). > > -- > Patrick Goupell > > Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ > Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com > There are a couple assumptions in that, though: partitioning type of the old drive (MBR vs. GPT), and whether your computer supports 4TB drives (not always a safe assumption, as I've found through experience). If you're on MBR on the old drive you may not be able to use that strategy. - Kyle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yep. > If you're on MBR on the old drive you may not be able to use that > strategy. A "clone" might still 'work', but leave you with unextendable partitions and 2TB of unusable space. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From greg at gregfolkert.net Mon Jun 10 15:48:22 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:48:22 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] 2tb to 4tb drive clone In-Reply-To: <1370881230.6034.0.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <1370880780.40295.YahooMailNeo@web122201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1370881230.6034.0.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: <1370893702.18116.12.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 12:20 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 09:13 -0700, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > > Is there a way to clone a 2tb drive to a 4tb drive that is used in the > > boot? > > What do you mean by "clone"? Do you need to clone or just move the > installation and make it bootable? What OS(s)? +1 on these questions. Please answer them. > > If I have to do a re install - is there a check list I should follow? > > You never need to re-install. +1 on this statement. I've got the same installation being moved from machine to machine over the years. Had to work it a bit some times, but always worked. Switched from LILO, to GRUB to GRUB2... it is just a matter of working it. Stupid dirty Windows R&R to fix everything has infested the Linux... -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "It is the chiefest point of happiness that a man is willing to be what he is." -- Desiderius Erasmus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks ________________________________ From: Adam Tauno Williams To: grlug at grlug.org Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] 2tb to 4tb drive clone On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 12:49 -0400, Kyle wrote: > On 06/10/2013 12:34 PM, Patrick Goupell wrote > > On 06/10/2013 12:13 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > > > Is there a way to clone a 2tb drive to a 4tb drive that is used in the boot? > > > If I have to do a re install? - is there a check list I should follow? > > You could also use clonezilla (www.clonezilla.org). > There are a couple assumptions in that, though: Yep. > partitioning type of the old drive (MBR vs. GPT), and whether your > computer supports 4TB drives (not always a safe assumption, as I've > found through experience). Yep. > If you're on MBR on the old drive you may not be able to use that > strategy. A "clone" might still 'work',? but leave you with unextendable partitions and 2TB of unusable space. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 03:01:02 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:01:02 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc In-Reply-To: References: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I received the postcard from Charter encouraging me to take advantage of their free modem with no obligation offer. Decided to take them up on it after all. Went in to retail store front and asked - they just had the Cisco modem. I accepted it. Took it home. Didn't see in instructions where I was supposed to plug the computer directly into the modem. Phoned help line, robot passed me direct to a human, who explained the process. I plugged it in & copied the numbers into the web page. The router connected through the modem. When done, reset the modem, then plugged router in again. Last week during the Solar Impulse flight, I was experiencing a lot of breakup in the streaming feed. When I did a speed test (while streaming) I measured 25mbps. Tonight after connecting the modem, I tried the Solar Impulse videos and they played smoothly. Speed test indicated about 35 mbps (second trial was 25 mbps, third one back to 35 mbps). I get the impression there is some other benefit from the DOCSIS 3 besides raw speed. My bill shows 57.99 for Internet, 25.99 for TV (bundled). With the new modem, they are switching me to a different plan which will be $2 less per month. Sounds like a reasonable price to pay! :-) The clerk at the store indicated I might be able to get a Motorola modem at another location, about 30 miles away. I decided to put that trip off a while. First I want to see how the Cisco performs. --Don Ellis On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > I haven't been to Micro Center yet to ask a floor rep, but looked on > the Web site, finding these responses: > > http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=docsis&N= > > I don't particularly want a router tied into the modem for $10 extra > (router fails, so you lose your modem), so I'm just looking at the > modem-only items (Zoom & Linksys, $30 difference). Using the compare > feature, I noticed a lot of N/A entries for the Linksys, and some seem > inconsistent (ex: Linksys has N/A for Network Data Transfer Rate, > while Zoom shows 10,100,1000). Interesting that the Linksys indicates > twice the downlink rate, while the Zoom shows twice the uplink rate. > > How many on this list have experience with both these modems (or > either), and just how significant are the differences? (especially, > are the differences worth $30 in the Linksys's favor?) > > [I figure that, before I ask the sales person if Charter will work > with a user-provided DOCSIS 3, I should know what they have and which > one I would want.] > > --Don Ellis > > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Joseph VanDerStelt > wrote: > > Charter Rep Here! > > > > With Charters "new" 30/4Mbps internet package we now require the > customer to > > have a Charter provided DOCSIS 3.0 modem. However, we no longer charge a > > modem lease fee. The standard rate for the 30Mbps service is 54.99 > alone, or > > 49.99 when bundled with phone or TV. As far as I know the self > provisioning > > will not allow for non-Charter provided modems to be provisioned but I > > cannot promise that is true. I have seen customer accounts where the MAC > ID > > for the modem we provided was not responding and at deeper look there > was a > > different device/MAC ID provisioned and their internet seemed to be > > functioning fine. If you do purchase a modem (and assuming your on the > new > > internet package, as the legacy package will allow customer owned modems) > > let me know if you are able to get it provisioned. > > > > > > On 4/13/2013 6:12 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > >> > >> I had heard some time ago that our cable provider (Charter) would > >> require a new DOCSIS3 to be procured through the Cable Company, but I > >> didn't believe it, and would be willing to try buying one and > >> returning it to MicroCenter with a complaint if it turned out to be > >> true. I prefer to own my own equipment these days, contrary to their > >> promise that leasing is better than owning. Haven't had enough > >> failures or other troubles to justify continuing long-term payments on > >> top of the base rates. > >> > >> I have not yet upgraded [most of] my APs - just the main one that I > >> use as a router, which is a relatively new D-Link. The WRT54G I use at > >> the other end of the house doesn't seem to be a bottleneck. For the > >> most part I use hard connections for security reasons. At that end, I > >> seem to not be getting GigaBIt speeds on several links, which I plan > >> to diagnose and see if I can correct. > >> > >> --Don Ellis > > ... > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Disk /dev/sde: 32.2 GB, 32191283200 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0xc3072e18 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sde1 * 1 3914 31436784 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so [root at clearos mnt]# dmesg | tail sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] 62873600 512-byte logical blocks: (32.1 GB/29.9 GiB) sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through sde: sde1 sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde. From megadave at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 09:11:04 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:11:04 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] trouble mounting fat32 thumb drive In-Reply-To: <1370956131.10703.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370956131.10703.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Use sde1 in the mount command not sde On Jun 11, 2013 9:09 AM, "Eric Beversluis" wrote: > I've got a thumb drive formatted as FAT32. It mounts (albeit slowly) and > works ok on windows 7 boxes and mounts automatically on my fedora 17 > box. But when I try to mount it on a clearos box (based on centos), it > won't mount: Tells me it "can't find a valid FAT files system on dev > sde." > > Disk /dev/sde: 32.2 GB, 32191283200 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3913 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0xc3072e18 > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sde1 * 1 3914 31436784 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde, > missing codepage or helper program, or other error > In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try > dmesg | tail or so > > > > [root at clearos mnt]# dmesg | tail > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] 62873600 512-byte logical blocks: (32.1 GB/29.9 GiB) > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sde: sde1 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk > FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) > VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From signals42 at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 09:13:27 2013 From: signals42 at gmail.com (Kevin McCarthy) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:13:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] trouble mounting fat32 thumb drive In-Reply-To: <1370956131.10703.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370956131.10703.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb You have to mount the partiton, not the entire drive. Try: mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/thumb -Kevin On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > I've got a thumb drive formatted as FAT32. It mounts (albeit slowly) and > works ok on windows 7 boxes and mounts automatically on my fedora 17 > box. But when I try to mount it on a clearos box (based on centos), it > won't mount: Tells me it "can't find a valid FAT files system on dev > sde." > > Disk /dev/sde: 32.2 GB, 32191283200 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3913 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0xc3072e18 > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sde1 * 1 3914 31436784 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde, > missing codepage or helper program, or other error > In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try > dmesg | tail or so > > > > [root at clearos mnt]# dmesg | tail > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] 62873600 512-byte logical blocks: (32.1 GB/29.9 GiB) > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sde: sde1 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk > FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) > VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 09:36:38 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:36:38 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] trouble mounting fat32 thumb drive In-Reply-To: References: <1370956131.10703.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370957798.10703.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks, guys. Comes of not doing these things often enough. (Getting spoiled by all the automation in fedora etc.) On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:13 -0400, Kevin McCarthy wrote: > > [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb > > > You have to mount the partiton, not the entire drive. Try: > > > mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/thumb > > > > -Kevin > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > I've got a thumb drive formatted as FAT32. It mounts (albeit > slowly) and > works ok on windows 7 boxes and mounts automatically on my > fedora 17 > box. But when I try to mount it on a clearos box (based on > centos), it > won't mount: Tells me it "can't find a valid FAT files system > on dev > sde." > > Disk /dev/sde: 32.2 GB, 32191283200 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3913 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0xc3072e18 > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sde1 * 1 3914 31436784 c W95 > FAT32 (LBA) > [root at clearos mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/sde /mnt/thumb > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde, > missing codepage or helper program, or other error > In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try > dmesg | tail or so > > > > [root at clearos mnt]# dmesg | tail > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] 62873600 512-byte logical blocks: (32.1 > GB/29.9 GiB) > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sde: sde1 > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through > sd 9:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk > FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) > VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 09:44:44 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:44:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password Message-ID: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the various cron files.) From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 09:59:49 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:59:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370959189.10703.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Would it do to put the mysqldump in a script that only root can read and then set the cron job to run the script? Would it be better--and more secure--to have the script owned and executable only by mundaneUser and then set the cron job to be run by mundaneUser? On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:44 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > various cron files.) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mglaske at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 10:00:51 2013 From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:00:51 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Pass it a config file that has the password in it, make the file read only root. mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf put in my.cnf (any of these is optional) [mysqldump] user = username password = password socket = port = host = On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > various cron files.) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From topher at codeventure.net Tue Jun 11 10:07:39 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > various cron files.) Actually, cron jobs can only be read by the people who create them. So if you create a job as root, only root can see and edit it I believe. It's annoyed me in the past that this is the case. :) Topher From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 10:17:20 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:17:20 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370960240.10703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK. Thanks. (Even if my.cnf is owned by root and 700, mundaneUser can still use the mysql client? Seems to be the case. Maybe the user 'mysql' also always has access to it?) On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 10:00 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote: > Pass it a config file that has the password in it, make the file read > only root. > > > mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf > > > put in my.cnf (any of these is optional) > [mysqldump] > user = username > password = password > socket = > port = > host = > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding > the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can > read the > various cron files.) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From topher at codeventure.net Tue Jun 11 10:38:34 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370960240.10703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370960240.10703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > OK. Thanks. > (Even if my.cnf is owned by root and 700, mundaneUser can still use the > mysql client? Seems to be the case. Maybe the user 'mysql' also always > has access to it?) mysql-client is just a client, like firefox is just a client. Anyone can use it, but only to access the stuff to which the have the proper credentials. From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 11:44:14 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:44:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370965454.10703.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> mysqldump tells me '--defaults-file' is not a known option. And I don't see it in the mysqldump man file. Actually, once I've added the info to my.cnf, this seems to run ok: mysqldump --all-databases > home/mundane/mysql.sql I.e., without any '--defaults-file' option. On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 10:00 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote: > Pass it a config file that has the password in it, make the file read > only root. > > > mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf > > > put in my.cnf (any of these is optional) > [mysqldump] > user = username > password = password > socket = > port = > host = > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding > the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can > read the > various cron files.) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mglaske at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 14:21:44 2013 From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:21:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370965454.10703.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370965454.10703.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Prob. version semantics.. either way, my.cnf is the default location it uses.. And I'm pretty sure that if you my.cnf is 700 for root, nobody else can run mysql commands against it other than root. But older versions of mysql may be more lax on security. Other way would be to write a small script that pulls in the username/password details from a config files that's 700 for root, and applies them, then run that under cron. (just source a file with 'username=xxx\npassword=xxxx'). :) On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > mysqldump tells me '--defaults-file' is not a known option. And I don't > see it in the mysqldump man file. Actually, once I've added the info to > my.cnf, this seems to run ok: > mysqldump --all-databases > home/mundane/mysql.sql > I.e., without any '--defaults-file' option. > > On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 10:00 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote: > > Pass it a config file that has the password in it, make the file read > > only root. > > > > > > mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf > > > > > > put in my.cnf (any of these is optional) > > [mysqldump] > > user = username > > password = password > > socket = > > port = > > host = > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Beversluis > > wrote: > > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding > > the mysql > > root password into the cron command? 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URL: From greg at gregfolkert.net Tue Jun 11 15:03:29 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:03:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370977409.18116.23.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:44 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > various cron files.) What looks like anyone can read the various cron files? If it happens, your installation/distro is broken and seriously needs to be fixed. If *YOU* don;t understand permissions, please investigate them. As far as I know... crontabs for individuals are not readable by even them without using crontab. $ cat /var/spool/cron/greg cat: /var/spool/cron/greg: Permission denied $ crontab -e #(allows me to edit my crontab and it is valid) $ ls -l /var/spool/cron/greg ls: /var/spool/cron/greg: Permission denied $ Now if you are talking for the files in /etc/cron.(d|daily|weekly|etc), then that is not a problem and these are typically used for non-passworded systems daemon maintenance like Log rotation or updating the apropos DB (aka whatis) Please investigate permissions before you make more problems for yourself. (the 10 characters at the beginning of the long listing) -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Our happiness depends on wisdom all the way." -- Sophocles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They cannot see their own files after being created or edited, in a properly setup distro/system (which is most of them anyway in this day and age.) Now if he is talking the files in /etc/cron.d or cron.daily etc... different story. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Our happiness depends on wisdom all the way." -- Sophocles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From greg at gregfolkert.net Tue Jun 11 15:10:28 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:10:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370959189.10703.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370959189.10703.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370977828.18116.30.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:59 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:44 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > > various cron files.) > Would it do to put the mysqldump in a script that only root can read > and then set the cron job to run the script? Would it be better--and > more secure--to have the script owned and executable only by > mundaneUser and then set the cron job to be run by mundaneUser? Sure a script in /root/bin is fine. But then, so is a crontab for root in /var/spool/cron As I've said in other replies, only root can actually see the crontabs and all users must use a sticky bit proggy to edit or view the files. Please review actual perms or attributes versus trying to obfuscate, it works oh so much better. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Our happiness depends on wisdom all the way." -- Sophocles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 15:37:53 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:37:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370977409.18116.23.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370977409.18116.23.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <1370979473.10703.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dear Folkert-jerk: You ought to find out what you're talking about before calling people names. I've known about permissions for years. It so happens that on both my fedora 17 laptop and on the clearos server I'm working on, the permissions for crontab as well as for all the various files under cron.d are 644. If you wanted to be helpful instead of being an *#$!@, it would have been sufficient to advise me that the relevant cron files were under /var/spool rather than /etc. On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 15:03 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 09:44 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding the mysql > > root password into the cron command? (It looks like anyone can read the > > various cron files.) > > What looks like anyone can read the various cron files? > > If it happens, your installation/distro is broken and seriously needs to > be fixed. If *YOU* don;t understand permissions, please investigate > them. > > As far as I know... crontabs for individuals are not readable by even > them without using crontab. > > $ cat /var/spool/cron/greg > cat: /var/spool/cron/greg: Permission denied > $ crontab -e #(allows me to edit my crontab and it is valid) > $ ls -l /var/spool/cron/greg > ls: /var/spool/cron/greg: Permission denied > $ > > Now if you are talking for the files in /etc/cron.(d|daily|weekly|etc), > then that is not a problem and these are typically used for > non-passworded systems daemon maintenance like Log rotation or updating > the apropos DB (aka whatis) > > Please investigate permissions before you make more problems for > yourself. (the 10 characters at the beginning of the long listing) > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From greg at gregfolkert.net Tue Jun 11 16:00:41 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:00:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370979473.10703.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370977409.18116.23.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> <1370979473.10703.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1370980841.18116.39.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 15:37 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > Dear Folkert-jerk: > You ought to find out what you're talking about before calling people > names. I've known about permissions for years. It so happens that on > both my fedora 17 laptop and on the clearos server I'm working on, the > permissions for crontab as well as for all the various files under > cron.d are 644. > > If you wanted to be helpful instead of being an *#$!@, it would have > been sufficient to advise me that the relevant cron files were > under /var/spool rather than /etc. If you think I was be belittling you... be glad some others didn't respond. I treat everyone unknown to me with the same level of detail and examples and statements. Please read when I write this: I would have responded to anyone asking this *SAME QUESTION* in the same manner asking what appeared to be a lack of understanding of permissions and file placement. I'm sorry you have taken exception to this... for that I apologize. The very least you could do is not be offensive. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Our happiness depends on wisdom all the way." -- Sophocles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Jun 11 17:08:39 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:08:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: <1370980841.18116.39.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370977409.18116.23.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> <1370979473.10703.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370980841.18116.39.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <1370984919.10703.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greg, Three times you insultingly implied that I hadn't done the most basic thing in Linux, which is check permissions, in addition to accusing me of trying to obfuscate: "If it happens, your installation/distro is broken and seriously needs to be fixed. If *YOU* don;t understand permissions, please investigate them." And "Please investigate permissions before you make more problems for yourself. (the 10 characters at the beginning of the long listing)" And "Please review actual perms or attributes versus trying to obfuscate, it works oh so much better." If someone says, "It looks like anyone can read the various cron files," that to me would imply that the person does have knowledge of Linux permissions and the problem is something different. I'm sorry for over-reacting. Eric On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 16:00 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 15:37 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > Dear Folkert-jerk: > > You ought to find out what you're talking about before calling people > > names. I've known about permissions for years. It so happens that on > > both my fedora 17 laptop and on the clearos server I'm working on, the > > permissions for crontab as well as for all the various files under > > cron.d are 644. > > > > If you wanted to be helpful instead of being an *#$!@, it would have > > been sufficient to advise me that the relevant cron files were > > under /var/spool rather than /etc. > > If you think I was be belittling you... be glad some others didn't > respond. I treat everyone unknown to me with the same level of detail > and examples and statements. > > Please read when I write this: > > I would have responded to anyone asking this *SAME QUESTION* in > the same manner asking what appeared to be a lack of > understanding of permissions and file placement. > > I'm sorry you have taken exception to this... for that I apologize. The > very least you could do is not be offensive. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From geektoyz at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 19:44:21 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:44:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] cron job an password In-Reply-To: References: <1370958284.10703.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1370965454.10703.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: BTW, AutoMySQLBackup works scheduled... http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/ cheers, G- On Jun 11, 2013 2:22 PM, "Michael Glaske" wrote: > Prob. version semantics.. either way, my.cnf is the default location it > uses.. And I'm pretty sure that if you my.cnf is 700 for root, nobody else > can run mysql commands against it other than root. But older versions of > mysql may be more lax on security. > > Other way would be to write a small script that pulls in the > username/password details from a config files that's 700 for root, and > applies them, then run that under cron. (just source a file with > 'username=xxx\npassword=xxxx'). > > :) > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Eric Beversluis < > ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > >> mysqldump tells me '--defaults-file' is not a known option. And I don't >> see it in the mysqldump man file. Actually, once I've added the info to >> my.cnf, this seems to run ok: >> mysqldump --all-databases > home/mundane/mysql.sql >> I.e., without any '--defaults-file' option. >> >> On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 10:00 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote: >> > Pass it a config file that has the password in it, make the file read >> > only root. >> > >> > >> > mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf >> > >> > >> > put in my.cnf (any of these is optional) >> > [mysqldump] >> > user = username >> > password = password >> > socket = >> > port = >> > host = >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Eric Beversluis >> > wrote: >> > How can I set a cron job to do mysqldump without hardcoding >> > the mysql >> > root password into the cron command? 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Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a good deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't really play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not necessary. Thanks for the help (ahead of time). I appreciate any feedback! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Jun 13 17:32:00 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Chris Chocko wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really don't > want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was going to > install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the Windows 8 > license if possible. > newegg often has some great deals on 'returned' machines, .. I got a quad core Acer 15" w/4GB for less than $400 about a year ago. > Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a good > deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't really > play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not necessary. > It's a big pain to get them Windowless, .. just do your h/w compatibility *first*, and then swap HDs as soon as you get it for a clean install. (I recommend keeping the original disk in case you ever want to sell it.) Lee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From brousch at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 18:39:56 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:39:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I buy refurb or used Thinkpads. They are well-built and have excellent Linux compatibility, especially if you buy a model that's a year or two old. Ebay is fine if you know what model you want to get and stick to reputable sellers. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:32 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Chris Chocko wrote: > >> I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really don't >> want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was going to >> install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the Windows 8 >> license if possible. >> > newegg often has some great deals on 'returned' machines, .. I got a quad > core Acer 15" w/4GB for less than $400 about a year ago. > >> Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a good >> deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't really >> play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not necessary. >> > It's a big pain to get them Windowless, .. just do your h/w compatibility > *first*, and then swap HDs as soon as you get it for a clean install. (I > recommend keeping the original disk in case you ever want to sell it.) > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From patrick at upmerchants.com Thu Jun 13 19:03:19 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:03:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51BA4FB7.4010509@upmerchants.com> On 06/13/2013 05:29 PM, Chris Chocko wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really > don't want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was > going to install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the > Windows 8 license if possible. > > Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a > good deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I > don't really play games, a good video card would be nice but > definitely not necessary. > > Thanks for the help (ahead of time). I appreciate any feedback! > I like tigerdirect.com. You can get refubished / off lease items for a real good price. I just got a delivery today of an hp (6530B) C2D-2530 win 7 home premium, 2 gig memory, 160 gig hd for a clinet for $257 delivered. In all the years I have been buying from them I have never gotten a bad piece of equipment. -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com From chrischocko at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 19:39:03 2013 From: chrischocko at gmail.com (Chris Chocko) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:39:03 -1000 Subject: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the replies, I got three good avenues to check out there. Swapping the HD is a good idea too. Glad I asked. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > Send grlug mailing list submissions to > grlug at grlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > grlug-request at grlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > grlug-owner at grlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of grlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. TONIGHT (Casey DuBois) > 2. Buying a good laptop online (Chris Chocko) > 3. Re: Buying a good laptop online (L. V. Lammert) > 4. Re: Buying a good laptop online (Ben Rousch) > 5. Re: Buying a good laptop online (Patrick Goupell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:01:26 -0400 > From: Casey DuBois > To: GR Makers , Casey DuBois > , "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand > Rapids, MI > area." > Subject: [GRLUG] TONIGHT > Message-ID: > < > CAH4FDZHJg3RH8eMnUAoth-o77WP3k4sKwXQHWvANmKr6TSCO2Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey GRLUG and GRMakers, > We need people to powerwash the paint off tonight so bring grubby clothes > and safety goggles so we can run both pressure washers and make some real > progress. > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130612/0343b119/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:29:05 -1000 > From: Chris Chocko > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online > Message-ID: > < > CAGHRSvGi+1LvGxgU9N-PYkVCEe_4auAKoQQcpiinnedTnLxwzg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really don't > want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was going to > install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the Windows 8 > license if possible. > > Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a good > deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't really > play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not necessary. > > Thanks for the help (ahead of time). I appreciate any feedback! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20130613/8e78bb15/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:32:00 -0500 (CDT) > From: "L. V. Lammert" > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Chris Chocko wrote: > > > I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really don't > > want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was going to > > install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the Windows 8 > > license if possible. > > > newegg often has some great deals on 'returned' machines, .. I got a quad > core Acer 15" w/4GB for less than $400 about a year ago. > > > Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a > good > > deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't really > > play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not necessary. > > > It's a big pain to get them Windowless, .. just do your h/w compatibility > *first*, and then swap HDs as soon as you get it for a clean install. (I > recommend keeping the original disk in case you ever want to sell it.) > > Lee > -------------- next part -------------- > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:39:56 -0400 > From: Ben Rousch > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online > Message-ID: > usYnQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I buy refurb or used Thinkpads. They are well-built and have excellent > Linux compatibility, especially if you buy a model that's a year or > two old. Ebay is fine if you know what model you want to get and stick > to reputable sellers. > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:32 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Chris Chocko wrote: > > > >> I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really don't > >> want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was going > to > >> install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the Windows 8 > >> license if possible. > >> > > newegg often has some great deals on 'returned' machines, .. I got a quad > > core Acer 15" w/4GB for less than $400 about a year ago. > > > >> Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a > good > >> deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I don't > really > >> play games, a good video card would be nice but definitely not > necessary. > >> > > It's a big pain to get them Windowless, .. just do your h/w compatibility > > *first*, and then swap HDs as soon as you get it for a clean install. (I > > recommend keeping the original disk in case you ever want to sell it.) > > > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:03:19 -0400 > From: Patrick Goupell > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Buying a good laptop online > Message-ID: <51BA4FB7.4010509 at upmerchants.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > On 06/13/2013 05:29 PM, Chris Chocko wrote: > > I'm looking to purchase a laptop for around $500 - $600. I really > > don't want to go to Best Buy. I'm not sure of my options though. I was > > going to install openBSD or a linux distro, so I'd like to skip the > > Windows 8 license if possible. > > > > Where do linux guys go to buy their Windowless laptops, or is there a > > good deal online somewhere? I'd like the most bang for my buck. I > > don't really play games, a good video card would be nice but > > definitely not necessary. > > > > Thanks for the help (ahead of time). I appreciate any feedback! > > > I like tigerdirect.com. You can get refubished / off lease items for a > real good price. > > I just got a delivery today of an hp (6530B) C2D-2530 win 7 home > premium, 2 gig memory, 160 gig hd for a clinet for $257 delivered. In > all the years I have been buying from them I have never gotten a bad > piece of equipment. > > -- > Patrick Goupell > > Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ > Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this > http://www.whatistaxed.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > End of grlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 10 > ************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geektoyz at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 10:54:08 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:54:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Happy Father's Day Message-ID: To one and all! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 11:36:25 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:36:25 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Suggestions for pcie laptop wifi adapter? Message-ID: I've got a Latitude 2100 that I want to use in an application where it would be a wifi access point. (linux, of course) The wireless chip/adapter in it, while it *seems* to support AP mode, doesn't seem to actually transfer any data. Not sure if its a buggy driver or what The card is: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] Anyway, its replaceable, and I'm looking for recommendations both on cards anyone knows work well in AP mode under linux (Debian Wheezy, if it matters) as well as a good source - I'd prefer to buy locally, cash in hand, but I suspect thats gonna be a tough find, unless someone on the list happens to have one they want to sell. Its a "Half-size, mini pci-e" card slot so anything would have to be that same form factor. 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I'd like to invite you to this week's AIM west event before our social. This month, aimWest will have a new event format called *New Tech Meetup*. Five local companies and individuals will talk about their cool new tech. Each presenter will have 5 minutes to discuss their exciting new technology followed by 5 minutes of Q/A. I'm asking everyone that can attend to show up and help us spread the word about the GRLUG and GRMakers!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: aimWest Date: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM Subject: aimWest June Event: West MI New Tech Meetup To: Casey Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser [image: aimWest The Interactive Association of West Michigan] West MI New Tech Meetup *Wednesday, June 19th, 2013* *Networking Time:* 5:30pm *Panelists Begin:* 6:15pm *Location:* The Eberhard Center( Map ) *Register* Don't miss the final event of the 2012-2013 season! There?s a lot happening in our own backyard?projects, companies and new technologies are being created right here in Grand Rapids. This month, aimWest will have a new event format called *New Tech Meetup*. Five local companies and individuals will talk about their cool new tech. Each presenter will have 5 minutes to discuss their exciting new technology followed by 5 minutes of Q/A. *Panelists* *Joe Johnston ? **Universal Mind* Hot off winning the iPad Table won the People?s Voice Webby in the Experimental & Innovation category in 17th Annual Webby Awards. Universal Minds iPad table explores what?s possible when 15 iPads are set up as a table and controlled by an iPhone application. *Daniel Morrison ? **Collective Idea* Downside is an iOS social game that encourages you to ignore your phone and talk to the people around you. *Ben Lambert ? **be-bert.com* Inspired by classic puzzle games like Tetris and Dr. Mario, Hungry Munchers is a simple, quick, and challenging game for everyone (regardless of how many stomachs you have). *GRMakers ? **GRMakers.com* A home for our local Mad-Scientists and makers, GRMakers will share a neat industries project being built within GR?s newest Maker Space. *Paul Kortman ? **ThingShare* A platform for sharing tools and things focused on bringing the sharing economy to the maker movement. *Register* Sponsor aimWest Sponsorships are still available for our aimWest events. Contact *Michael Loughman*or visit our *Sponsorship Page*for more information. Annual Sponsors [image: Select Resources] [image: Lasers Resource] ------------------------------ ------------------------------ *Follow aimWest [image: Facebook] Become a Fan of aimWest! [image: Twitter] Follow @aimwest [image: Linkedin] aimWest Members join in on the discussions! * Forwardthis email to a friend or Update your profile aimWestis a non-profit, professional association that supports and promotes the growth of the interactive and technology industries throughout Western Michigan. Our goal is to be a forum for the interactive community, to help local businesses diversify using technology, and to provide a medium for sharing resources and knowledge with peers. Questions about aimWest or our events? Contact us. In the past, you provided aimWest with your email address. Unsubscribe casey at grlug.org from this list. If you unsubscribe from this list you will no longer receive notices of aimWest events Copyright ? 2012 aimWest All rights reserved. -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Wed Jun 19 16:24:25 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:24:25 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: TODAY! aimWest June Event: West MI New Tech Meetup In-Reply-To: <070e09bdfdb01078ca26807a1fa9b431191.20130619135951@mail122.us2.rsgsv.net> References: <070e09bdfdb01078ca26807a1fa9b431191.20130619135951@mail122.us2.rsgsv.net> Message-ID: Hey GRMakers and GRLUG!! Here's What's Goin On TONIGHT BEFORE the Social. Please come and show your support for our groups. If you haven't registered I have a couple extra passes, just see Rob Geer at the registration desk and tell him you are with Casey the Connector!!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: aimWest Date: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM Subject: TODAY! aimWest June Event: West MI New Tech Meetup To: Casey Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser [image: aimWest The Interactive Association of West Michigan] West MI New Tech Meetup *Wednesday, June 19th, 2013* *Networking Time:* 5:30pm *Panelists Begin:* 6:15pm *Location:* The Eberhard Center( Map ) *Register* Don't miss the final event of the 2012-2013 season! There?s a lot happening in our own backyard?projects, companies and new technologies are being created right here in Grand Rapids. This month, aimWest will have a new event format called *New Tech Meetup*. Five local companies and individuals will talk about their cool new tech. Each presenter will have 5 minutes to discuss their exciting new technology followed by 5 minutes of Q/A. *Panelists* *Joe Johnston ? **Universal Mind* Hot off winning the iPad Table won the People?s Voice Webby in the Experimental & Innovation category in 17th Annual Webby Awards. Universal Minds iPad table explores what?s possible when 15 iPads are set up as a table and controlled by an iPhone application. *Daniel Morrison ? **Collective Idea* Downside is an iOS social game that encourages you to ignore your phone and talk to the people around you. *Ben Lambert ? **be-bert.com* Inspired by classic puzzle games like Tetris and Dr. Mario, Hungry Munchers is a simple, quick, and challenging game for everyone (regardless of how many stomachs you have). *GRMakers ? **GRMakers.com* A home for our local Mad-Scientists and makers, GRMakers will share a neat industries project being built within GR?s newest Maker Space. *Paul Kortman ? **ThingShare* A platform for sharing tools and things focused on bringing the sharing economy to the maker movement. *Register* Sponsor aimWest Sponsorships are still available for our aimWest events. Contact *Michael Loughman*or visit our *Sponsorship Page*for more information. 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Here's what we need from you: 1. we have a power washer on loan from one of our members but it seems to have sat too long and might have bad gas, so we need some people with the skillz to help get this honda motor running again so we can use this power washer. 2. we need more volunteers to offer their time to get the paint off the walls so please call or email me to get your name on the list. Here's the details for TONIGHT!! Come join us at our new location at 401 Hall St SW, 4th Floor! The Boiler Room is currently being built out for us, but we are meeting on the fourth floor in a space being provided to us just down the hall from Mutually Human. We will now be using the entrance by the Boiler Room as our main entrance. Park in front of the Boiler Room, walk along the left side of the building until you see the door just to the right of the under building parking entrance. After you enter this door, you then can either take the door to the left and walk the length of the parking structure to get to the elevator and go up to the fourth floor or you can go up the stairs to the fourth floor and walk down the hall until you reach our temporary space. There will be signs for both directions to help you find us in case this is confusing. Getting the Space Ready! We are in the process of cleaning the walls and preparing for the next step in the build out process. Any help you can offer is more than welcome. We are in the process of preparing a sign up/calender so that we can work as a team to make this dream come true. We require that people are there in pairs for safety and get instruction from Casey or another informed member on the use of the tools in the space the the techniques used for best results. Thank you all for your support in this labor intensive step! "What's Going On??" (Formerly known as Five Minutes of Fame) This is an idea we are actively stealing from Noisebridge Hackerspace in San Francisco CA. "What's Going On??" is thirty minutes at 9 pm where six people can have an open mic to talk about whatever topic interests them. This is NOT limited to technology or topics pertaining to GRMakers, but can be anything of interest that you can teach to the crowd! If you want to speak, there will be a signup when you walk in the door and you will have access to a whiteboard and projector. Just remember, you only have five minutes to speak, but a whole night to clarify to anyone who is interested. Our community is defined by the brilliance of our members and "What's Going On??" gives you an opportunity to shine! One new element that has been added is that we are video taping the "What's Going On??" sessions for the Youtube channel. If you are not comfortable with this, let us know and we will not record it. We want you to share and will work to make you as comfortable in this sharing environment! As usual: Note that we will have tables and chairs and coolers with drinks and some snacks donated by our loving community, but we won't be moving the tools into the space until The Boiler Room is ready for us. We do, however, encourage you to bring your projects and your ideas into this temporary space to make it feel like home during these growing pains. Thank you so much for your support. We MAKE things and help others with their projects, Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philip.robar at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 19:11:50 2013 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip Robar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:11:50 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? Message-ID: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> I?m hoping that someone, like Mike Mol - our resident Gentoo advocate, might know the answer to this (and save me hours of experimenting): Will compiling Gentoo specifically for Intel P4/Netburst with GCC, Intel or LLVM make a noticeable difference on a general purpose desktop as opposed to using a generically compiled distribution? Background: One of the reasons that Intel reverted from the P4?s Netburst architecture is that to take full advantage of it you had to compile your code specifically for it, with a compiler that knew about it intimately (in the same way that ?real? RISC CPUs needed compilers specifically targeted to them) (1)?which, given the huge body of existing binaries and CPUs of the time, didn?t happen. (In particular Netburst has very long pipelines, so branch prediction misses were very costly.) I found lots of articles comparing P4s vs other CPUs, but most are windows based and as such used precompiled benchmarks so they aren?t of any real help. I did find one article where compiling for P4 made a huge improvement for a specific math program (SPM (2)) and a short discussion about Arch Linux having optimized kernels (3). The latter lead me to an article that said, that at least for Core architecture CPUs, kernel optimization alone makes only a small, but measurable difference using building the kernel as a benchmark. In short, Intel was able to keep competitive, in the absence of optimized binaries, by ramping up clock speed and cache size at the expense of power consumption and heat. So, do any of the current compilers (Intel, GCC, LLVM) generate Netburst optimized code such that compiling Gentoo specifically for it would make a noticeable difference on a general purpose desktop of that era? (I know that this question is completely irrelevant nowdays, but I?ve always been curious as to the answer.) (1) At Sun, for instance, we compiled Solaris with Sun?s compilers (which of course had intimate knowledge about SPARC CPUs) using flags which effectively said, ?optimize for the latest version of SPARC, but don?t suck on the older versions.? (2) http://imaging.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/imaging/SpmWithPentium4 (3) http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/slitaz-use-all-the-power-of-a-intel-core-i3-and-ddr3-ram-type-memory Phil ? Defective by Design: 27? iMacs: Shame on Apple for not acknowledging and fixing the screen dimming problem. From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Jun 19 20:44:24 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:44:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 18:11 -0500, Philip Robar wrote: > I?m hoping that someone, like Mike Mol - our resident Gentoo advocate, > might know the answer to this (and save me hours of experimenting): > Will compiling Gentoo specifically for Intel P4/Netburst with GCC, > Intel or LLVM make a noticeable difference on a general purpose > desktop as opposed to using a generically compiled distribution? I know next to nothing about Gentoo... but I'd be willing to wager lunch that the answer is "No way, no difference". I've seen more bugs introduced by eager-to-optimize setups than I have performance improvements. Compiler optimization performance improvements are pretty much limited to code written specifically to demonstrate they make things go faster. Note that you said ****"difference on a general purpose desktop"***. Special cases, especially those involved math / real-data-processing might be different, but a "general purpose desktop"... no way, no difference. You're more likely to break something. > I found lots of articles comparing P4s vs other CPUs, but most are > windows based and as such used precompiled benchmarks so they aren?t > of any real help. I did find one article where compiling for P4 made a > huge improvement for a specific math program (SPM (2)) and a short > discussion about Arch Linux having optimized kernels (3). The latter > lead me to an article that said, that at least for Core architecture > CPUs, kernel optimization alone makes only a small, No surprise; in most cases, and *especially* on a "general purpose desktop" time spent tied up in kernel routines is limited. glibc and other common/core libraries would be more effective targets of optimization. But you are just as likely to break something. > but measurable difference using building the kernel as a benchmark. > In short, Intel was able to keep competitive, in the absence of > optimized binaries, by ramping up clock speed and cache size at the > expense of power consumption and heat. Nothing beats a BIG GUN. Hence the USS Mississippi. Cheap [relatively] and effective. > So, do any of the current compilers (Intel, GCC, LLVM) generate > Netburst optimized code such that compiling Gentoo specifically for it > would make a noticeable difference on a general purpose desktop of > that era? I'd crawl thier bug databases to see what turns up. Like More specific instruction set code names and the like would probably be better search keys than "netburst" (which is rather more marketroidy than technical). > (I know that this question is completely irrelevant nowdays, but I?ve > always been curious as to the answer.) Nah, it isn't irrelevant at all if your interested in it. :) -- Adam Tauno Williams From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 19 22:52:37 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:52:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> On 06/19/2013 08:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 18:11 -0500, Philip Robar wrote: >> I?m hoping that someone, like Mike Mol - our resident Gentoo advocate, >> might know the answer to this (and save me hours of experimenting): >> Will compiling Gentoo specifically for Intel P4/Netburst with GCC, >> Intel or LLVM make a noticeable difference on a general purpose >> desktop as opposed to using a generically compiled distribution? > I know next to nothing about Gentoo... but I'd be willing to wager lunch > that the answer is "No way, no difference". I've seen more bugs > introduced by eager-to-optimize setups than I have performance > improvements. Compiler optimization performance improvements are pretty > much limited to code written specifically to demonstrate they make > things go faster. > > Note that you said ****"difference on a general purpose desktop"***. > Special cases, especially those involved math / real-data-processing > might be different, but a "general purpose desktop"... no way, no > difference. You're more likely to break something. > > [snip] Can't answer for Netburst, either, but I can say that I run Gentoo and haven't seen much of a change in performance with compiling specifically for my CPU (an i7) over a generic x86_64 build. However, Gentoo lets you compile out all kinds of junk you don't want or use by changing your USE flags, and that, for me anyway, makes a significant difference in speed and power consumption vs. a generic "cram every feature in, just in case it's ever needed" build. - Kyle From greg at gregfolkert.net Thu Jun 20 04:05:24 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:05:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 22:52 -0400, Kyle wrote: > On 06/19/2013 08:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 18:11 -0500, Philip Robar wrote: > >> I?m hoping that someone, like Mike Mol - our resident Gentoo advocate, > >> might know the answer to this (and save me hours of experimenting): > >> Will compiling Gentoo specifically for Intel P4/Netburst with GCC, > >> Intel or LLVM make a noticeable difference on a general purpose > >> desktop as opposed to using a generically compiled distribution? > > I know next to nothing about Gentoo... but I'd be willing to wager lunch > > that the answer is "No way, no difference". I've seen more bugs > > introduced by eager-to-optimize setups than I have performance > > improvements. Compiler optimization performance improvements are pretty > > much limited to code written specifically to demonstrate they make > > things go faster. > > > > Note that you said ****"difference on a general purpose desktop"***. > > Special cases, especially those involved math / real-data-processing > > might be different, but a "general purpose desktop"... no way, no > > difference. You're more likely to break something. > > > > [snip] > > > Can't answer for Netburst, either, but I can say that I run Gentoo and > haven't seen much of a change in performance with compiling specifically > for my CPU (an i7) over a generic x86_64 build. However, Gentoo lets > you compile out all kinds of junk you don't want or use by changing your > USE flags, and that, for me anyway, makes a significant difference in > speed and power consumption vs. a generic "cram every feature in, just > in case it's ever needed" build. Perception is 90% of the perceived benefit. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "A man of personality can formulate ideals, but only a man of character can achieve them." -- Herbert Read -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From zetaphor at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 08:23:52 2013 From: zetaphor at gmail.com (Zetaphor .) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:23:52 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: I'm just going to leave this here :-) http://funroll-loops.info/ On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 22:52 -0400, Kyle wrote: > > On 06/19/2013 08:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 18:11 -0500, Philip Robar wrote: > > >> I?m hoping that someone, like Mike Mol - our resident Gentoo advocate, > > >> might know the answer to this (and save me hours of experimenting): > > >> Will compiling Gentoo specifically for Intel P4/Netburst with GCC, > > >> Intel or LLVM make a noticeable difference on a general purpose > > >> desktop as opposed to using a generically compiled distribution? > > > I know next to nothing about Gentoo... but I'd be willing to wager > lunch > > > that the answer is "No way, no difference". I've seen more bugs > > > introduced by eager-to-optimize setups than I have performance > > > improvements. Compiler optimization performance improvements are > pretty > > > much limited to code written specifically to demonstrate they make > > > things go faster. > > > > > > Note that you said ****"difference on a general purpose desktop"***. > > > Special cases, especially those involved math / real-data-processing > > > might be different, but a "general purpose desktop"... no way, no > > > difference. You're more likely to break something. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Can't answer for Netburst, either, but I can say that I run Gentoo and > > haven't seen much of a change in performance with compiling specifically > > for my CPU (an i7) over a generic x86_64 build. However, Gentoo lets > > you compile out all kinds of junk you don't want or use by changing your > > USE flags, and that, for me anyway, makes a significant difference in > > speed and power consumption vs. a generic "cram every feature in, just > > in case it's ever needed" build. > > Perception is 90% of the perceived benefit. > > -- > greg at gregfolkert.net > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C > "A man of personality can formulate ideals, but only a man of character > can achieve them." > -- Herbert Read > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Jun 20 10:20:55 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <1371738055.12117.12.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 08:23 -0400, Zetaphor . wrote: > I'm just going to leave this here :-) > http://funroll-loops.info/ :) Sweet. Yet, binary distros are riddled with bugs, and are much more annoying to fix given the the cumbersome edit/build package/install package cycle. Heh, because compiling code magically makes the bugs go away. Wow, I never knew that.... >>you compile out all kinds of junk you don't want or use by changing >>your USE flags, and that, for me anyway, makes a significant >>difference in speed and power consumption vs. a generic "cram every >>feature in, just in case it's ever needed" build. Honestly I find even that hard to believe; unused pages can be swapped out. And once shared libraries are memory-mapped additional references are essentially free. So unless the architecture has a totally crap I/O subsystem (so load times are horrible) or a very decrepit MMU - a perceptible change is hard to believe. > Perception is 90% of the perceived benefit yep. You're just pissed because my 28 second Honda smoked yuo, lol! In the interest of full discloser this snickering-at-Gentoo message is being written by a guy [me] who owns a 1919 Model-T Ford with a high-lift camshaft, alloy pistons, a SCAT racing crankshaft, kevlar transmission bands, and a Bosch ignition system. Note that a Model-T Depot Hack weighs next to nothing - so out-of-the-gate I can "smoke" just about anybody. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From matt at zigg.com Thu Jun 20 10:39:44 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <1371738055.12117.12.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> <1371738055.12117.12.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <106E6CD3-644A-4C1F-87A5-A2926CB8EBCE@zigg.com> On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Yet, binary distros are riddled with bugs, and are much more annoying to > fix given the the cumbersome edit/build package/install package cycle. > > > Heh, because compiling code magically makes the bugs go away. Wow, I > never knew that.... That's not what the quoted person was saying, but he's really not got much of a point anyway. Modern packaging systems (particularly dpkg) make fixing bugs super-easy. It does take a little reading up on them to get your desired results, though. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4334 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 20 12:25:22 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:25:22 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Pentium 4 and Gentoo Linux? In-Reply-To: <1371738055.12117.12.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <0D5AC6B9-BC49-4808-B706-821DA284289C@gmail.com> <1371689064.2320.8.camel@linux-22wg.site> <51C26E75.3080406@earthlink.net> <1371715524.23177.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> <1371738055.12117.12.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <51C32CF2.7030100@earthlink.net> On 06/20/2013 10:20 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >>> you compile out all kinds of junk you don't want or use by changing >>> your USE flags, and that, for me anyway, makes a significant >>> difference in speed and power consumption vs. a generic "cram every >>> feature in, just in case it's ever needed" build. > Honestly I find even that hard to believe; unused pages can be swapped > out. And once shared libraries are memory-mapped additional references > are essentially free. So unless the architecture has a totally crap I/O > subsystem (so load times are horrible) or a very decrepit MMU - a > perceptible change is hard to believe. In theory, you're right. It shouldn't make a huge difference. In practice, my laptop has pretty much the same software loaded in both Gentoo and Ubuntu (it triple-boots those two + Windows 7) and I spent quite a bit of time optimizing Ubuntu before switching primarily to Gentoo. So I have a decent setup for comparing stripped-down vs. pre-compiled binaries on the same hardware. Gentoo loads up on a cold boot, complete with preloading libraries and files into RAM in about 15 seconds. From a bootchart run, it's largely I/O bound for the first 75% or so and CPU-bound for the last 25% as X is starting. Last time I timed Ubuntu, IIRC it took >60 seconds to boot. Don't remember the exact count, but the difference is remarkable. After booting is done, while Gentoo already has Chromium preloaded into RAM (one of my most-used programs) during the boot process, Ubuntu takes probably a good 10-15 additional seconds to open it on first load. Both of these items are related to the first loading of files, and as you mentioned, they should be cached in RAM so it doesn't have to do that again, so your time lost to these is minimal if you keep your system up for long periods of time. But this is a laptop - boot speed does actually make a huge difference for me in my perception of the responsiveness of the system. I've never particularly liked standby mode as an alternative to a full shut down and boot up, so you could contend that boot speed is completely irrelevant for most people, but it fits what I'm comfortable with better. It doesn't stop at boot time, though. Once it's finished booting, Ubuntu idles at (and I'm going from memory from a few days ago on this since I don't want to reboot to check right now) 2-3% CPU on all eight pseudo-cores average (HyperThreaded quad-core i7). Gentoo idles at between 0.25-1% CPU. Having half the CPU usage at idle makes a difference for me in my perception of how well the computer runs, because it allows the CPU to stay in C3 almost all of the time, leaving me with improved battery life and a cooler-running system due to less power consumption. My fan very rarely pops out of its lowest speed on Gentoo, leaving me with a very quiet system, whereas it goes to its second speed level quite a bit more often on Ubuntu. Granted, it's still not the noise level I get from Windows 7 keeping the thing in a pretty constant level 3-4 at idle, but it still makes a noticeable difference in the sound level of my machine. So, is it due to my perceptions of it? Sure. Some of it, I've got numbers to back up. Some of it, I don't. It's a preference. - Kyle From uhawl1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 18:38:07 2013 From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:38:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Help tonight at the Boiler Room Message-ID: Hello GRMakers and GRLUGers! The new big bad power washer is working great at the Boiler Room! We are going to be working tonight to try to get the most of our rental costs! You can reply to this or just show up. Come as you are and play with the big bad toy! Josh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Fri Jun 21 10:21:14 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:21:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Power Washing Continues Message-ID: Hello everyone, We have made great progress Power Washing The Boiler Room and have decided to keep the Power Washer for a week. We are now on the clock to finish all Power Washing before next Thursday at NOON. Jeff is here working now and will be here till Noon today. I'm looking for volunteers for the rest of today (they went till past midnight yesterday) and this weekend. Who's in??? Call or email me. 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Come as you are and play with the >> big bad toy! >> >> Josh >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guyotll at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 20:46:08 2013 From: guyotll at gmail.com (Lloyd) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:46:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Help tonight at the Boiler Room In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glad I could help tonight! Keep up the good work! 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