From uhawl1 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 13:49:51 2013 From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:49:51 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Additional Maker information... Message-ID: First, my apologies for those who don't want to read this, but the majority of GRMaker people are also connected to the GRLUG community so I thought this would be a great place to get out a little information. GRMakers now has a facebook page, twitter and google group so that we can all freely communicate in the way we are comfortable. :) http://www.facebook.com/GRMakers http://www.twitter.com/GRMakers https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers http://www.grmakers.com Thanks everyone! - Josh / Oh my Josh / Minion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MakerBot Replicator 2 Tesla Coil Quad Copters Audio Amplifier Repair Linux Based Router Project Server Storage Project **Anything YOU want to bring and show off or need help working on** Please note that NEXT Week TUESDAY 12th is the GRIN meeting http://grinventors.org, we will get 5 minutes at the start of the meeting to pitch our group and what we do and I'm inviting all of the GRLUG and GRMakers to come and talk about the cool stuff we are doing. Details: Tuesday February 12, 6PM-8PM @ Cook-DeVos Center for Health Sciences, Grand Valley State University, 301 Michigan St NE, Room 119, Grand Rapids, MI Also note that on THURSDAY February 21st I will be hosting the WordPress Grand Rapids Group @ The Warehouse at 7PM to Discuss the basic usage of WordPress, Please rsvp here if you are coming: http://www.meetup.com/wpgrandrapids/events/101826582/ Here's some pictures from recent GRLUG/GRMakers Social's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/sets/72157632599546408/ Please share this email with your friends and encourage them to register for our GRMakers Google group @ https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Feb 4 15:48:58 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:48:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx Message-ID: We have use some LG NAS boxes in the past because they would support ssh & rsync with a kernel update; but they aren't very available any more. What can folks recommend for reasonable-cost onsite backup that will support ssh, rsync, cronjobs, .. (i.e. mostly standard kernel)? Thanks! Lee From nic at nicj.net Mon Feb 4 15:53:56 2013 From: nic at nicj.net (Nic Jansma) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:53:56 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> I've been very happy with my Synology DS1511+. Pretty standard linux install out of the box. Modifying it's pretty easy too: http://nicj.net/backing-up-windows-computers-to-a-synology-nas-via-ssh-and-r sync/ http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Overview_on_modifying_the_Synology_ Server,_bootstrap,_ipkg_etc -Nic -----Original Message----- From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of L. V. Lammert Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:49 PM To: Grand Rapids LUG Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx We have use some LG NAS boxes in the past because they would support ssh & rsync with a kernel update; but they aren't very available any more. What can folks recommend for reasonable-cost onsite backup that will support ssh, rsync, cronjobs, .. (i.e. mostly standard kernel)? Thanks! Lee _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From leapole at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 16:04:46 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:04:46 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx In-Reply-To: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> References: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> Message-ID: make a freenas 8 box On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Nic Jansma wrote: > I've been very happy with my Synology DS1511+. Pretty standard linux > install out of the box. > > Modifying it's pretty easy too: > > http://nicj.net/backing-up-windows-computers-to-a-synology-nas-via-ssh-and-r > sync/ > > > http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Overview_on_modifying_the_Synology_ > Server,_bootstrap,_ipkg_etc > > -Nic > > > -----Original Message----- > From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf > Of > L. V. 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URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 19:29:19 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:29:19 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> I know this involves windows, but i wondered if someone could point me in the right direction. Linux people often seem to have a better handle on networking. On a network with a windows machine at 192.168.0.n and a share of "example", i have a PFSense gateway/firewall with an OpenVPN server running. Appropriate firewall rules seem to be made for the OpenVPN (Port 1194 to outside ip) . On the client side of the OpenVPN tunnel that is connected, i can ping 192.168.0.n, but i can not map a drive to \\192.168.0.n\example I get "network path not found" Firewall and OpenVPN logs on the host side don't show anything amiss. ??? -- 'steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Feb 5 19:46:14 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:46:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: Not enough data on your setup but my first guess would be windows or a third party firewall. By default most firewalls only allow windows sharing connections from the same subnet. Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and IP into the client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can ping by name..then retry sharing. 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By default most firewalls only allow windows sharing > connections from the same subnet. > > Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and IP into the > client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can ping by name..then retry > sharing. > > Mark Farver > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 19:59:20 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:59:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: 192.168.0.* is your internal net what is your vpn net? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Josh wrote: > kinda sounds like you have a one way route situation, > > outside can ping and see everything but I am willing to bet inside can not > see whats connected to the vpn. > > so ping with both machines and make sure that works > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > >> Not enough data on your setup but my first guess would be windows or a >> third party firewall. By default most firewalls only allow windows sharing >> connections from the same subnet. >> >> Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and IP into the >> client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can ping by name..then retry >> sharing. >> >> Mark Farver >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 22:26:49 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:26:49 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> Thanks guys, PFSense tunnel "host" inside net is 192.168.0.0/24 tunnel net is 192.168.99.* issuing .6 on the connection (pingable from host on only on LAN interface, and a 0. machine) client outside: 108.79.220.88 (Pingable from 0. machine and host both interfaces) Turned of client side windows firewall, and antivirus. No change Attempting to open a "network places" of \\192.168.0.n\example yields not accessible or no permission I added the windows/system32/etc/lmhost and can ping that machine name on the inside of the host from the client side. FYI: I have a IPSec tunnel to another site that hits these share with no problem. (i understand that is a different animal) I feel like such a noob, as it's probably something really basic i'm overlooking... On 2/5/2013 7:59 PM, Josh wrote: > 192.168.0.* is your internal net > > what is your vpn net? > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Josh > wrote: > > kinda sounds like you have a one way route situation, > > outside can ping and see everything but I am willing to bet inside > can not see whats connected to the vpn. > > so ping with both machines and make sure that works > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mark Farver > wrote: > > Not enough data on your setup but my first guess would be > windows or a third party firewall. By default most firewalls > only allow windows sharing connections from the same subnet. > > Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and IP > into the client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can ping by > name..then retry sharing. > > Mark Farver > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 22:38:49 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:38:49 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below works. On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data onto a flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to the VM, in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the below mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically shows up on the flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. mkdir /mnt/usbflash cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is accurate From leapole at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 22:48:11 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:48:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: set your tunnel net to 192.168.0.(range not used by statics or dhcp). by having 192.168.0. and 192.168.99.0, they end up on different subnets On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Steve @ HCS wrote: > Thanks guys, > > PFSense tunnel "host" inside net is 192.168.0.0/24 > tunnel net is 192.168.99.* issuing .6 on the connection (pingable from > host on only on LAN interface, and a 0. machine) > client outside: 108.79.220.88 (Pingable from 0. machine and host both > interfaces) > > Turned of client side windows firewall, and antivirus. No change > > Attempting to open a "network places" of \\192.168.0.n\example yields not > accessible or no permission > > I added the windows/system32/etc/lmhost and can ping that machine name on > the inside of the host from the client side. > > FYI: I have a IPSec tunnel to another site that hits these share with no > problem. (i understand that is a different animal) > > I feel like such a noob, as it's probably something really basic i'm > overlooking... > > > On 2/5/2013 7:59 PM, Josh wrote: > > 192.168.0.* is your internal net > > what is your vpn net? > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Josh wrote: > >> kinda sounds like you have a one way route situation, >> >> outside can ping and see everything but I am willing to bet inside can >> not see whats connected to the vpn. >> >> so ping with both machines and make sure that works >> > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mark Farver wrote: >> >>> Not enough data on your setup but my first guess would be windows or a >>> third party firewall. By default most firewalls only allow windows sharing >>> connections from the same subnet. >>> >>> Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and IP into the >>> client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can ping by name..then retry >>> sharing. >>> >>> Mark Farver >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at wesorick.com Tue Feb 5 22:53:26 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:53:26 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on your OS and wrote to it. That's how it works. On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" wrote: > While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was > wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below works. > > On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data onto a > flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to the VM, > in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: > > fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed > > But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the below > mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically shows up on the > flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. > > mkdir /mnt/usbflash > cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created > mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash > > P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is accurate > ______________________________**_________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 23:08:37 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:08:37 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> Thanks John, Is the folder on the OS, a hardware abstraction queue? On 2/5/2013 10:53 PM, John Wesorick wrote: > > I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on your > OS and wrote to it. That's how it works. > > On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" > wrote: > > While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was > wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below > works. > > On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data > onto a flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to > the VM, > in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: > > fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed > > But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the > below mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically > shows up on the flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. > > mkdir /mnt/usbflash > cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created > mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash > > P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is > accurate > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at wesorick.com Tue Feb 5 23:16:48 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 23:16:48 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: Linux uses a single filesystem hierarchy. Everything is under / (even removable or network drives). When you created the folder and mounted the flash drive to /mnt/usbflash you were telling the OS that your flash drive can be found at /mnt/usbflash. Without mounting it, Linux can't see it, since it isn't in the file system hierarchy. Does that make sense? On Feb 5, 2013 11:08 PM, "Steve @ HCS" wrote: > Thanks John, > > Is the folder on the OS, a hardware abstraction queue? > > On 2/5/2013 10:53 PM, John Wesorick wrote: > > I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on your OS > and wrote to it. That's how it works. > On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" > wrote: > >> While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was >> wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below works. >> >> On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data onto a >> flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to the VM, >> in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: >> >> fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed >> >> But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the below >> mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically shows up on the >> flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. >> >> mkdir /mnt/usbflash >> cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created >> mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash >> >> P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is accurate >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 23:17:00 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:17:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <5111D93C.2020507@branchadventures.org> Right. I set it the tunnel net to 192.168.0.128/29 which is out of range of DHCP and assigned static ip's. No change. Lost ability to ping from client into host side for some reason. Rebooting PFSense after server night tasks are done running. I'll check back in tomorrow. Thanks everyone. On 2/5/2013 10:48 PM, Josh wrote: > set your tunnel net to 192.168.0.(range not used by statics or dhcp). > > by having 192.168.0. and 192.168.99.0, they end up on different subnets > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Steve @ HCS > > wrote: > > Thanks guys, > > PFSense tunnel "host" inside net is 192.168.0.0/24 > > tunnel net is 192.168.99.* issuing .6 on the connection > (pingable from host on only on LAN interface, and a 0. machine) > client outside: 108.79.220.88 (Pingable from 0. machine and host > both interfaces) > > Turned of client side windows firewall, and antivirus. No change > > Attempting to open a "network places" of \\192.168.0.n\example > yields not accessible or no permission > > I added the windows/system32/etc/lmhost and can ping that machine > name on the inside of the host from the client side. > > FYI: I have a IPSec tunnel to another site that hits these share > with no problem. (i understand that is a different animal) > > I feel like such a noob, as it's probably something really basic > i'm overlooking... > > > On 2/5/2013 7:59 PM, Josh wrote: >> 192.168.0.* is your internal net >> >> what is your vpn net? >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Josh > > wrote: >> >> kinda sounds like you have a one way route situation, >> >> outside can ping and see everything but I am willing to bet >> inside can not see whats connected to the vpn. >> >> so ping with both machines and make sure that works >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mark Farver >> > wrote: >> >> Not enough data on your setup but my first guess would be >> windows or a third party firewall. By default most >> firewalls only allow windows sharing connections from the >> same subnet. >> >> Second thing to try is put the server's machine name and >> IP into the client PC's lmhosts file and verify you can >> ping by name..then retry sharing. >> >> Mark Farver >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > -- > > > Healthy Computer Systems > > > Steve Grody - Owner > > > 616-502-2454 > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveg at branchadventures.org Tue Feb 5 23:28:18 2013 From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:28:18 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <5111DBE2.5080306@branchadventures.org> Yes, that makes a lot of sense. An interesting thing i did accidentally was to write a file to the OS folder before i mounted it. After mounting, it never got sent to the actual drive after i then mounted it. Kind of in limbo land. Lessons learned. Thanks John On 2/5/2013 11:16 PM, John Wesorick wrote: > > Linux uses a single filesystem hierarchy. Everything is under / (even > removable or network drives). When you created the folder and mounted > the flash drive to /mnt/usbflash you were telling the OS that your > flash drive can be found at /mnt/usbflash. Without mounting it, Linux > can't see it, since it isn't in the file system hierarchy. Does that > make sense? > > On Feb 5, 2013 11:08 PM, "Steve @ HCS" > wrote: > > Thanks John, > > Is the folder on the OS, a hardware abstraction queue? > > On 2/5/2013 10:53 PM, John Wesorick wrote: >> >> I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on >> your OS and wrote to it. That's how it works. >> >> On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" >> > > wrote: >> >> While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i >> was wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how >> the below works. >> >> On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql >> data onto a flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are >> attached to the VM, >> in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: >> >> fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed >> >> But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how >> the below mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" >> magically shows up on the flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. >> >> mkdir /mnt/usbflash >> cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created >> mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash >> >> P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully >> is accurate >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > -- > > > Healthy Computer Systems > > > Steve Grody - Owner > > > 616-502-2454 > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at wesorick.com Wed Feb 6 00:15:07 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 00:15:07 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: <5111DBE2.5080306@branchadventures.org> References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> <5111DBE2.5080306@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: When you created the folder it was just a folder on your local filesystem. When you mounted the drive to that folder, you were saying your flash drive's filesystem starts in that folder. When you unmount the drive the file will be in /mnt/usbflash, as it will once again just be a folder on your local file system. So you'll probably want to delete that, especially if it was a large SQL dump. Linux file structure can be weird thinking about it at first, but it's actually very logical. On Feb 5, 2013 11:28 PM, "Steve @ HCS" wrote: > Yes, that makes a lot of sense. An interesting thing i did > accidentally was to write a file to the OS folder before i mounted it. > After mounting, it never got sent to the actual drive after i then mounted > it. Kind of in limbo land. > Lessons learned. Thanks John > > On 2/5/2013 11:16 PM, John Wesorick wrote: > > Linux uses a single filesystem hierarchy. Everything is under / (even > removable or network drives). When you created the folder and mounted the > flash drive to /mnt/usbflash you were telling the OS that your flash drive > can be found at /mnt/usbflash. Without mounting it, Linux can't see it, > since it isn't in the file system hierarchy. Does that make sense? > On Feb 5, 2013 11:08 PM, "Steve @ HCS" > wrote: > >> Thanks John, >> >> Is the folder on the OS, a hardware abstraction queue? >> >> On 2/5/2013 10:53 PM, John Wesorick wrote: >> >> I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on your OS >> and wrote to it. That's how it works. >> On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" >> wrote: >> >>> While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was >>> wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below works. >>> >>> On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data onto a >>> flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to the VM, >>> in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: >>> >>> fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed >>> >>> But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the below >>> mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically shows up on the >>> flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. >>> >>> mkdir /mnt/usbflash >>> cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created >>> mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash >>> >>> P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is accurate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> -- >> Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Healthy Computer Systems Steve Grody - Owner 616-502-2454 > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 03:12:35 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 03:12:35 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting USB flash drive (Centos 6.3) In-Reply-To: <5111DBE2.5080306@branchadventures.org> References: <51037F46.4010407@gmail.com> <5111D049.2010006@branchadventures.org> <5111D745.3070800@branchadventures.org> <5111DBE2.5080306@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: Next time mount it *before* you try to write to it. (and be sure to umount it before you remove it, for removable devices, to allow everything to by sync'ed) Yes, linux doesnt use "drive letters".. a filesystem on another drive/partition/device (wether internal or removable) is grafted on to the existing filesystem at a specific directory path. (Anything previously within or below that path is hidden for as long as it is mounted - generally you only want to mount filesystems on otherwise *empty* directories. Some GUI/desktop environments take care of this for removable media automatically for you, if you let them. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Steve @ HCS wrote: > Yes, that makes a lot of sense. An interesting thing i did accidentally > was to write a file to the OS folder before i mounted it. After mounting, > it never got sent to the actual drive after i then mounted it. Kind of in > limbo land. > Lessons learned. Thanks John > > > On 2/5/2013 11:16 PM, John Wesorick wrote: > > Linux uses a single filesystem hierarchy. Everything is under / (even > removable or network drives). When you created the folder and mounted the > flash drive to /mnt/usbflash you were telling the OS that your flash drive > can be found at /mnt/usbflash. Without mounting it, Linux can't see it, > since it isn't in the file system hierarchy. Does that make sense? > > On Feb 5, 2013 11:08 PM, "Steve @ HCS" wrote: >> >> Thanks John, >> >> Is the folder on the OS, a hardware abstraction queue? >> >> On 2/5/2013 10:53 PM, John Wesorick wrote: >> >> I don't understand. You mounted your flash drive to a folder on your OS >> and wrote to it. That's how it works. >> >> On Feb 5, 2013 10:39 PM, "Steve @ HCS" >> wrote: >>> >>> While i'm out tonight wearing my ignorance on my shoulder, i was >>> wondering if someone could provide an explanation of how the below works. >>> >>> On a VMware server running Centos, i needed to copy some sql data onto a >>> flashdrive. Once the USB host and device are attached to the VM, >>> in order to be able to write to the flashdrive i: >>> >>> fdisk -l and got the "sdc3" that i needed >>> >>> But i just don't understand enough about the OS to know how the below >>> mounting works. Why writing to the "usbflash" magically shows up on the >>> flashdrive is a mystery to my brain. >>> >>> mkdir /mnt/usbflash >>> cp tmp/asdf.sql to the usbflash directory i just created >>> mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/usbflash >>> >>> P.S. Above is from memory of earlier in the day so hopefully is accurate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Healthy Computer Systems >> >> Steve Grody - Owner >> >> 616-502-2454 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > > Healthy Computer Systems > > Steve Grody - Owner > > 616-502-2454 > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Feb 6 05:55:15 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 05:55:15 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <1360148115.2783.5.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 19:29 -0500, Steve @ HCS wrote: > I know this involves windows, but i wondered if someone could point me > in the right direction. Linux people often seem to have a better > handle on networking. > On a network with a windows machine at 192.168.0.n and a share of > "example", i have a PFSense gateway/firewall with an OpenVPN server > running. Appropriate firewall rules seem to be made for the OpenVPN > (Port 1194 to outside ip) . > On the client side of the OpenVPN tunnel that is connected, i can ping > 192.168.0.n, but i can not map a drive to \\192.168.0.n\example > I get "network path not found" \\{HOSTIP}\... may not work; depending on the type of authentication in play. If you use a FQDN to connect then Kerberos will be tried first; if that fails or the name is no FQDN then the system falls back to NTLM. That may or may not be permitted on the server by the server's configuration or domain policy. And you shouldn't have to use \\{HOSTIP}\... ever. Your configuration is incomplete if it does not provide naming. It will fail in a myriad of interesting ways. I'd try to find a simpler service to test connectivity with [SMTP, SSH, TELNET] and make sure that works before descending into the murk of CIFS/SMB. The server may permit connections to shares only from @LOCAL devices - those on the same subnet as itself. This is probably the default configuration of the firewall once File-And-Print have been enabled. Then your VPN client would be prohibitted. VPNs are generally much simpler to deal with - *especially* from Windows clients, which generally do not have anything like routed/gated/zebra. > Firewall and OpenVPN logs on the host side don't show anything > amiss. ??? From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Feb 6 05:57:22 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 05:57:22 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: <1360148242.2783.7.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 22:48 -0500, Josh wrote: > set your tunnel net to 192.168.0.(range not used by statics or dhcp). > by having 192.168.0. and 192.168.99.0, they end up on different > subnets If you are not using proxyarp then you MUST have them on different subnets. Stick to classful ranges, trying to do fancy routing from a Windows client is a nightmare. From mfarver at mindbent.org Wed Feb 6 06:45:45 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:45:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] OpenVPN and shares In-Reply-To: <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> References: <5101B98D.5050009@branchadventures.org> <5111A3DF.1090704@branchadventures.org> <5111CD79.20401@branchadventures.org> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2013 10:27 PM, "Steve @ HCS" wrote: > > Turned of client side windows firewall, and antivirus. No change > If it is a firewall issue it would be on the server firewall. Try telneting from the client to port 135tcp on the server. Do any other services work? Can you access a web or FTP server on the internal subnet or server from the client? Windows file sharing is not very robust so it is the last thing to try to get going. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Feb 6 12:48:08 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:48:08 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx In-Reply-To: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> References: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> Message-ID: <201302061748.r16HmgiE001515@Mail> At 02:53 PM 2/4/2013, Nic Jansma wrote: >I've been very happy with my Synology DS1511+. Pretty standard linux >install out of the box. Excellent! Don't suppose you know if there any differences between the models? For example, we need a smaller box for one project, possibly DS212 or DS213? Thanks! Lee From nic at nicj.net Wed Feb 6 14:51:28 2013 From: nic at nicj.net (Nic Jansma) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:51:28 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx In-Reply-To: <201302061748.r16HmgiE001515@Mail> References: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> <201302061748.r16HmgiE001515@Mail> Message-ID: <5112B440.80601@nicj.net> Yep! All of the models use the same Synology DSM (the name of their linux OS + custom software and web interface) so should be just as hackable. - Nic http://nicj.net/ @nicj On 2/6/2013 12:48 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 02:53 PM 2/4/2013, Nic Jansma wrote: >> I've been very happy with my Synology DS1511+. Pretty standard linux >> install out of the box. > > Excellent! Don't suppose you know if there any differences between the > models? For example, we need a smaller box for one project, possibly > DS212 or DS213? > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Feb 6 16:08:38 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:08:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] NAS choices ssh/rsynx In-Reply-To: <5112B440.80601@nicj.net> References: <044301ce0319$c0ce3bd0$426ab370$@nicj.net> <201302061748.r16HmgiE001515@Mail> <5112B440.80601@nicj.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Nic Jansma wrote: > Yep! All of the models use the same Synology DSM (the name of their > linux OS + custom software and web interface) so should be just as hackable. > > - Nic > http://nicj.net/ > @nicj > Cool - thanks! Lee From casey at grlug.org Thu Feb 7 01:52:09 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:52:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's Meeting Message-ID: Hi All, Great meeting tonight, Thanks to all that came out! We had a bunch of new and exciting member projects that were worked on. Sorry I didn't get photo's of the CAD Demos but we did a couple. Sewing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8451743333/in/set-72157632599546408 Bunch of Mac lovers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452833674/in/set-72157632599546408/ These guys stuck some LED's to my light fixtures with magnets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8451742751/in/set-72157632599546408/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452833090/in/set-72157632599546408/ Leap Motion Testing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452832866/in/set-72157632599546408/ Notice the Dots on the screen for each finger read: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452832600/in/set-72157632599546408/ Working on the Tesla Coil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8451741703/in/set-72157632599546408/ Photobooth V2 Showing one side with curtains and the other open side: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452831782/in/set-72157632599546408/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8451740331/in/set-72157632599546408/ Knife Sharpening Class: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8452831262/in/set-72157632599546408/ Creativeness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8451739311/in/set-72157632599546408/ More Quad Copter: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8410956986/in/set-72157632599546408 Please note that NEXT Week TUESDAY 12th is the GRIN meeting http://grinventors.org , we will get 5 minutes at the start of the meeting to pitch our group and what we do and I'm inviting all of the GRLUG and GRMakers to come and talk about the cool stuff we are doing. 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Casey On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:02 PM, JeffDM wrote: > > > I'll try to hit next month's meeting. > > > > On Monday, February 11, 2013 2:45:55 PM UTC-5, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> >> Please join me Tomorrow, TUESDAY Feb 12th for the Grand Rapids Inventors >> Network (GRIN) meeting http://grinventors.org >> >> >> , >> >> We will get 5 minutes at the start of the meeting to pitch our group and >> what we do @ The GRLUG/GRMakers Socials so please come and talk to them >> about Linux and Making. >> >> >> Details: Tuesday February 12, 6PM-8PM @ Cook-DeVos Center for Health >> Sciences, Grand Valley State University, 301 Michigan St NE, Room 119, >> Grand Rapids, MI >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> ca... at grlug.org >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LO uses the filename to figure out what kind of input filter to > use.. word is more clever about examining the file. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From casey at grlug.org Wed Feb 13 13:42:02 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] GRMovile Dev/GRLUG/GRMakers Meeting TONIGHT!!! Message-ID: Hello GRLUG and GRMakers! I spent all my cash on a Valentines gift for the wife so please bring drinks to help stock the fridge, we do still have a batch of chips that were donated to munch on. Here's the schedule for TONIGHT Wednesday Feb 13th @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., 6-8PM GRMobile Dev meeting ( http://www.meetup.com/Grand-Rapids-Mobile-Development-Group/ GRLUG/GRMakers Social Jenison 8PM till WHENEVER!!!!! We have been pushing maximum capacity at the meetings (40-50) and are currently at 90+ members on our google group! In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). Here's some of the things we will be working on: Photobooth V2 RepRap Open Source 3D Printer MakerBot Replicator 2 Tesla Coil Quad Copters Audio Amplifier Repair Linux Based Router Project Server Storage Project **Anything YOU want to bring and show off or need help working on** Please note that on THURSDAY February 21st we will be hosting the WordPress Grand Rapids Group @ The Warehouse at 7PM to Discuss the basic usage of WordPress, Please rsvp here if you are coming: http://www.meetup.com/wpgrandrapids/events/101826582/ To keep informed about our meetings and times please join our google group @ http://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/GRMakers?ref=ts&fref=ts Find us on Google+: grmakers 3D Printing a phone case: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8414517761/ Our Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/sets/72157632599546408/ Contact me with any questions or concerns. 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I forget who was hosting it > most recently. > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 16:31:20 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:31:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hey Godwin, > Was this still on a server under your desk?? > Casey > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it >> most recently. >> >> -- >> :wq >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- :wq From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 16:31:31 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:31:31 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: er. HTML meta refresh. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> Hey Godwin, >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? >> Casey >> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it >>> most recently. >>> >>> -- >>> :wq >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > :wq -- :wq From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Feb 14 10:55:17 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (ebever at researchintegration.org) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:55:17 -0800 Subject: [GRLUG] Strange hyperlink behavior in LibreOffice Message-ID: <1360857317.511d08e5e4229@webmail.researchintegration.org> I pasted a hyperlink into a LibreOffice document and it keeps giving me a 'page not found.' So I opened the webpage and re-copied/re-pasted the link and this time it works. Closer inspection indicates that the first pasting consistently omits the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love'. But as nearly as I can tell, both links (the one that works and the one that doesn't) are identical. And if I copy the first version into my browser address bar, it works fine. Both these are as copied out of the LibreOffice Writer document. The first doesn't work, the second does: http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm I even tried deleting and re-entering the final '%20', but it still didn't make any difference. Any ideas? Thanks. From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Feb 14 13:55:59 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:55:59 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Strange hyperlink behavior in LibreOffice In-Reply-To: <1360857317.511d08e5e4229@webmail.researchintegration.org> References: <1360857317.511d08e5e4229@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: <1360868159.1623.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I 'copied hyperlink location' (after right click) (rather than just copying what was visible in the document) I got: http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP Epictetus on StoicLove.htm and http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic% 20Love.htm respectively for the link that didn't work and the link that did work. I took a look at the problemmatic hyperlink in the 'edit hyperlink' dialogue. The 'target' showed the URL w/o the '%20s' (with spaces) and missing the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love', while the 'text' showed what seemed the right URL with the '%20s' included. When I edited the target by entering the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love', and then applied it, the hyperlink in the document now worked. But the 'text' in the edit hyperlink dialog didn't show any changes. So somehow, what was 'real' was what the document saw as the 'target', not what the document actually showed. On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 07:55 -0800, ebever at researchintegration.org wrote: > I pasted a hyperlink into a LibreOffice document and it keeps giving me a 'page > not found.' So I opened the webpage and re-copied/re-pasted the link and this > time it works. Closer inspection indicates that the first pasting consistently > omits the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love'. But as nearly as I can tell, both > links (the one that works and the one that doesn't) are identical. And if I > copy the first version into my browser address bar, it works fine. > > Both these are as copied out of the LibreOffice Writer document. The first > doesn't work, the second does: > http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm > http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm > > I even tried deleting and re-entering the final '%20', but it still didn't make > any difference. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Feb 14 13:56:18 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:56:18 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Strange hyperlink behavior in LibreOffice In-Reply-To: <1360857317.511d08e5e4229@webmail.researchintegration.org> References: <1360857317.511d08e5e4229@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: <1360868178.1623.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I 'copied hyperlink location' (after right click) (rather than just copying what was visible in the document) I got: http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP Epictetus on StoicLove.htm and http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic% 20Love.htm respectively for the link that didn't work and the link that did work. I took a look at the problemmatic hyperlink in the 'edit hyperlink' dialogue. The 'target' showed the URL w/o the '%20s' (with spaces) and missing the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love', while the 'text' showed what seemed the right URL with the '%20s' included. When I edited the target by entering the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love', and then applied it, the hyperlink in the document now worked. But the 'text' in the edit hyperlink dialog didn't show any changes. So somehow, what was 'real' was what the document saw as the 'target', not what the document actually showed. On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 07:55 -0800, ebever at researchintegration.org wrote: > I pasted a hyperlink into a LibreOffice document and it keeps giving me a 'page > not found.' So I opened the webpage and re-copied/re-pasted the link and this > time it works. Closer inspection indicates that the first pasting consistently > omits the space between 'Stoic' and 'Love'. But as nearly as I can tell, both > links (the one that works and the one that doesn't) are identical. And if I > copy the first version into my browser address bar, it works fine. > > Both these are as copied out of the LibreOffice Writer document. The first > doesn't work, the second does: > http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm > http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephens/OSAP%20Epictetus%20on%20Stoic%20Love.htm > > I even tried deleting and re-entering the final '%20', but it still didn't make > any difference. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Feb 14 15:50:58 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:50:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 Message-ID: Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 and pretty close to reality, .. Lee From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:53:51 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:53:51 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > and pretty close to reality, .. In theory, it should work just fine. Was actually trying to get that working earlier today, but I ran into a conflict between the kerberos realm name and the domain name. (I'm guessing the lack of a FQDN is where the problem is.) Probably going to try setting up an all-Linux AD setup at home. -- :wq From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Feb 14 16:10:36 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:10:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] [GRLU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > > and pretty close to reality, .. > > In theory, it should work just fine. Was actually trying to get that > working earlier today, but I ran into a conflict between the kerberos > realm name and the domain name. (I'm guessing the lack of a FQDN is > where the problem is.) Probably going to try setting up an all-Linux > AD setup at home. > Excellent - let us know if it is successful! Thanks! Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Feb 14 17:09:42 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:09:42 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360879782.30762.1.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 14:50 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > and pretty close to reality, .. It is reality. Using it today, now, in production, several hundred workstations Windows XP through 7, terminal servers, and multiple domain member file servers. Works, out-of-the-box, BAM! -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Feb 14 17:11:48 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:11:48 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360879908.30762.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 15:53 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > > and pretty close to reality, .. > In theory, it should work just fine. Was actually trying to get that > working earlier today, but I ran into a conflict between the kerberos > realm name and the domain name. (I'm guessing the lack of a FQDN is > where the problem is.) Probably going to try setting up an all-Linux > AD setup at home. An active directory realm is a DNS domain [or sub-domain]. That is the nature of the beast [and pretty much Kerberos too, but straight Kerberos lets you fudge a bit - and pay later in frustrating configurations, AD just says my-way-or-the-hi-way]. In this case I think AD makes the only sane choice. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Feb 14 17:38:36 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:38:36 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: <1360879782.30762.1.camel@localhost> References: <1360879782.30762.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <201302142239.r1EMdKYc018385@Mail.omnitec.net> At 04:09 PM 2/14/2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 14:50 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > > and pretty close to reality, .. > >It is reality. Using it today, now, in production, several hundred >workstations Windows XP through 7, terminal servers, and multiple domain >member file servers. > >Works, out-of-the-box, BAM! Cool! Did you use 4.0.3 packages or build 4.0.4? Thanks!!! Lee From geektoyz at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 00:10:14 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:10:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where this mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by Dave. I'll look through my emails tomorrow. On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > er. HTML meta refresh. > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and > > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hey Godwin, > >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? > >> Casey > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > >>> > >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it > >>> most recently. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> :wq > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Casey DuBois > >> 616-808-6942 > >> casey at grlug.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > -- > > :wq > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 02:19:08 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:19:08 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Out of curiosity, in an all-Linux setup, why would you need to use an MS protocol for anything? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 >> and pretty close to reality, .. > > In theory, it should work just fine. Was actually trying to get that > working earlier today, but I ran into a conflict between the kerberos > realm name and the domain name. (I'm guessing the lack of a FQDN is > where the problem is.) Probably going to try setting up an all-Linux > AD setup at home. > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Feb 15 06:21:49 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:21:49 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360927309.5303.21.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 02:19 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Out of curiosity, in an all-Linux setup, why would you need to use an > MS protocol for anything? (0) It is not an "MS protocol". Documentation is on file with standards bodies. It was developed at Microsoft. (a) Having an all-Linux setup is just this side of impossible. Unless you really never need to deal with proprietary third-party crap [and yes, most if it is *CRAP*, but there it is]. Given vertical devices [which includes things like lathes, fork-lifts, and CNC machines...] and web services ["web" my *#&^]... (b) A network of any significant size requires some means of centralized authentication, authorization, DNS, etc... Active Directory does this *VERY* well. It is pretty much the only de-facto standard. Integrating DNS, Kerberos, and even Time, into a directory service is just fabulous. And fabulous + 1 when the proprietary bits will play along as well. Running stand-alone Kerberos, and DNS services is a PITA [as each of these services requires the other to function properly], solving that problem by integrating them into LDAP (Directory Service) is tedious [and sadly neither of those projects are terribly eager to help you out - something I've never been able to understand] - and Kerberos and DNS *are* directory services [yeah, those projects will object that they are not.... but they are used to index services on a network... sooo... if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....] Machine says: hey, I got a DHCP lease that says I am in "EXAMPLE.COM" and my DNS server is A.B.C.D Machine says: I have a secret in my cache for _kerberos._tcp_example.com... does that still work? Oh, it does. Everything must be OK. It is annoying when those people power me off. Machine says: OK, I'll look up users and groups on _ldap._tcp.example.com find. Machine say: Hey, someone is trying to authenticate... yep, that is a valid login. Let's take that password and try to get a ticket from _kerberos._tcp_example.com. Oh my, it worked. Logging you in now sir. Machine says: Alright I'm logging this person in, is there anything special I should do for them first thing? Lets check the sysvol on the machine that gave me the ticket to see if there is a login script or anything. That it should work this way is simply drop-dead obvious. Active Directory is a documented standard that delivers the above and has a GPL'd implementation. No bad. And who doesn't love Kerberos? > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >> Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > >> and pretty close to reality, .. > > In theory, it should work just fine. Was actually trying to get that > > working earlier today, but I ran into a conflict between the kerberos > > realm name and the domain name. (I'm guessing the lack of a FQDN is > > where the problem is.) Probably going to try setting up an all-Linux > > AD setup at home. -- Adam Tauno Williams From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Feb 15 06:28:33 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:28:33 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Samba 4 In-Reply-To: <201302142239.r1EMdKYc018385@Mail.omnitec.net> References: <1360879782.30762.1.camel@localhost> <201302142239.r1EMdKYc018385@Mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <1360927713.5303.26.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 16:38 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 04:09 PM 2/14/2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > >On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 14:50 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > > Has anyone started using Samba 4 as a DC? Appears to be on releast 4.0.4 > > > and pretty close to reality, .. > >It is reality. Using it today, now, in production, several hundred > >workstations Windows XP through 7, terminal servers, and multiple domain > >member file servers. > >Works, out-of-the-box, BAM! > Cool! Did you use 4.0.3 packages or build 4.0.4? Mine are all built, I have not used packages yet. 4.0.3 should be fine if there are packages available; 4.0.3 fixes most of the bugs you'd notice. I'll be switching to packages but none were available when we rolled out in early December - 4.0.0 just happened to coincide with that. I'd been running tests on betas for awhile, it actually worked for most of 2012 without any significant issues - mostly a bunch of clean-up and tidiness happened for 4.0.0 [final]. From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Feb 15 12:55:36 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:55:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] LibreOffice & git Message-ID: Great article on LO & the techologies that are enabling the project (http://bit.ly/ZfK3I1), .. particularly binary bisects! Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Feb 15 14:46:16 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (ebever at researchintegration.org) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:46:16 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? Message-ID: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> I'm suddenly having trouble saving to /var/www/html and deleting from same. Being told I do not have permission. I know I've been doing these things in the past. /var/www/html currently is owned by root and group is root. Permissions 755. Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't think of any other explanation. Should owner:group be apache:apache? Thanks. From mfarver at mindbent.org Fri Feb 15 14:48:26 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:48:26 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: If you have a permissions problem that doesn't make sense it is often SELinux..... turn it off and see what happens. On Feb 15, 2013 2:46 PM, wrote: > I'm suddenly having trouble saving to /var/www/html and deleting from same. > Being told I do not have permission. I know I've been doing these things > in the > past. /var/www/html currently is owned by root and group is root. > Permissions > 755. > > Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't > think > of any other explanation. > > Should owner:group be apache:apache? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at zigg.com Fri Feb 15 15:59:42 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:59:42 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > If you have a permissions problem that doesn't make sense it is often SELinux..... turn it off and see what happens > Or, if you want to keep selinux, try restorecon, e.g. restorecon -R /var/www/html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Permissions > 755. > > Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't think > of any other explanation. > > Should owner:group be apache:apache? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Feb 15 18:11:11 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:11:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> Message-ID: <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Right. My question is how it might have gotten changed, since up to, like today, I was able to write to it as an ordinary user. So let me ask the question again: Could an automatic update have gone in and changed the ownership of /var/www/html to root from me or from apache? Do updates to that kind of thing? On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 18:03 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > If its owned by root, and set 755, the only root would be able to > read/write there. > > Are yuu using su/sudo to become root or were you trying to write as a > normal user? > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM, wrote: > > I'm suddenly having trouble saving to /var/www/html and deleting from same. > > Being told I do not have permission. I know I've been doing these things in the > > past. /var/www/html currently is owned by root and group is root. Permissions > > 755. > > > > Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't think > > of any other explanation. > > > > Should owner:group be apache:apache? > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 18:27:00 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:27:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: The answer to that is highly dependent on what distribution and update/package system you are using. And I couldn't say for sure, but I would think its certainly possible. Generally I would suggest leaving it secured, and then using su/sudo when you need to store/update/delete files there, but how important that is would depend on how critical this machine and the info on it is, who else has access to it, whether its a publically-accessible server, etc. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > Right. My question is how it might have gotten changed, since up to, > like today, I was able to write to it as an ordinary user. So let me ask > the question again: Could an automatic update have gone in and changed > the ownership of /var/www/html to root from me or from apache? Do > updates to that kind of thing? > > On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 18:03 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> If its owned by root, and set 755, the only root would be able to >> read/write there. >> >> Are yuu using su/sudo to become root or were you trying to write as a >> normal user? >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM, wrote: >> > I'm suddenly having trouble saving to /var/www/html and deleting from same. >> > Being told I do not have permission. I know I've been doing these things in the >> > past. /var/www/html currently is owned by root and group is root. Permissions >> > 755. >> > >> > Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't think >> > of any other explanation. >> > >> > Should owner:group be apache:apache? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grlug mailing list >> > grlug at grlug.org >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Feb 15 19:17:22 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:17:22 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <596147b8-6ffc-4cf0-bfe8-37c2884f299d@email.android.com> Dave Chiodo wrote: >The answer to that is highly dependent on what distribution and >update/package system you are using. Yep, perhaps the log says something: >And I couldn't say for sure, but I would think its certainly possible. >Generally I would suggest leaving it secured, Yes I'd use setfacl to set write permissions for the context(s) that you need. There isn't any need to use or mess with cruddy unix owner/group none sense anymore. -- Adam Tauno Williams From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Feb 15 21:14:06 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:14:06 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1360980846.1585.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 18:27 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Generally I would suggest leaving it secured, and then using su/sudo > when you need to store/update/delete files there, but how important > that is would depend on how critical this machine and the info on it > is, who else has access to it, whether its a publically-accessible > server, etc. It doesn't seem practical to have to use su/sudo each time I add or revise a file for a website I'm working on (these are ones I'm working on on my own machine and access via localhost). To do this practically I'd need to open gedit as root each time I'm working on a file. > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > > Right. My question is how it might have gotten changed, since up to, > > like today, I was able to write to it as an ordinary user. So let me ask > > the question again: Could an automatic update have gone in and changed > > the ownership of /var/www/html to root from me or from apache? Do > > updates to that kind of thing? > > > > On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 18:03 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> If its owned by root, and set 755, the only root would be able to > >> read/write there. > >> > >> Are yuu using su/sudo to become root or were you trying to write as a > >> normal user? > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM, wrote: > >> > I'm suddenly having trouble saving to /var/www/html and deleting from same. > >> > Being told I do not have permission. I know I've been doing these things in the > >> > past. /var/www/html currently is owned by root and group is root. Permissions > >> > 755. > >> > > >> > Could these have been changed by an automatic update from Fedora? I can't think > >> > of any other explanation. > >> > > >> > Should owner:group be apache:apache? > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grlug mailing list > >> > grlug at grlug.org > >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Feb 15 21:15:47 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:15:47 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: <596147b8-6ffc-4cf0-bfe8-37c2884f299d@email.android.com> References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <596147b8-6ffc-4cf0-bfe8-37c2884f299d@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1360980947.1585.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is setfacl something new? I seem to have missed hearing about it. On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 19:17 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Dave Chiodo wrote: > >The answer to that is highly dependent on what distribution and > >update/package system you are using. > > Yep, perhaps the log says something: > > >And I couldn't say for sure, but I would think its certainly possible. > >Generally I would suggest leaving it secured, > > Yes > > I'd use setfacl to set write permissions for the context(s) that you need. There isn't any need to use or mess with cruddy unix owner/group none sense anymore. From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Feb 15 21:21:40 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:21:40 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] update change ownership/permissions? In-Reply-To: <1360980947.1585.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <596147b8-6ffc-4cf0-bfe8-37c2884f299d@email.android.com> <1360980947.1585.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0cfa6a4d-d195-4a59-9550-10955c499638@email.android.com> Eric Beversluis wrote: >Is setfacl something new? A decade or so, so yea. It has a man page. Ext3/ext4 supports real object acls - way better than owner-group-world. -- Adam Tauno Williams From awilliam at whitemice.org Sat Feb 16 09:09:08 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:09:08 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] setfacl/getfacl [Was: update change ownership/permissions?] In-Reply-To: <0cfa6a4d-d195-4a59-9550-10955c499638@email.android.com> References: <1360957576.511e908855e0d@webmail.researchintegration.org> <1360969871.1585.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <596147b8-6ffc-4cf0-bfe8-37c2884f299d@email.android.com> <1360980947.1585.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <0cfa6a4d-d195-4a59-9550-10955c499638@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1361023748.4993.27.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 21:21 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Eric Beversluis wrote: > > >Is setfacl something new? > > A decade or so, so yea. It has a man page. Ext3/ext4 supports real > object acls - way better than owner-group-world. setfcl -m u:awilliam:rwx this-file The "-m" means modify, then "u" for user / "g" for group [since, sadly UNIX still can't flatten the namespace], then the permissions [same as you'd use for chmod]. This creates an ACE in the ACL for the named object. You can set as many ACEs on an object as you want. A "+" will appear if in ls if the object has an ACL. -rw-r-xr--+ 1 awilliam users 8087 Nov 16 10:51 RandomNames.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 awilliam users 16117 Feb 11 16:57 Samba4.txt Use setfacl -x u/g:name to delete an ACE. getfacl will display the contents of the ACL awilliam at linux-nysu:~> getfacl RandomNames.txt # file: RandomNames.txt # owner: awilliam # group: users user::rw- user:mwilliam:r-x group::r-- mask::r-x other::r-- See that every object really has at least three ACEs in its ACL - they represent the 'traditional' UNIX permissions. Mostly the blunderbuss system permission reset, etc... scripts leave ACLs alone. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From jwm8351 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 22:17:07 2013 From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:17:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GRLUG] Anybody need a old laptop with ide drive? In-Reply-To: References: <4EACC26B.6040301@zuzax.com> <4EAD839A.5090506@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1361157427.23134.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Just checking if the old beasts still have any value - or should they be put to sleep. Cheers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zetaphor at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:02:14 2013 From: zetaphor at gmail.com (Gary Daigle) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:02:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Anybody need a old laptop with ide drive? In-Reply-To: <1361157427.23134.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4EACC26B.6040301@zuzax.com> <4EAD839A.5090506@yahoo.com> <1361157427.23134.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am I too late to claim this? I could really use a laptop for development. The only machine I have now is my Celeron M desktop. When I'm away from home (a lot) I use my gf's work computer, which we just learned they will be taking back soon. I would really appreciate a charitable donation to the cause of Leap Motion development. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > Just checking if the old beasts still have any value - or should they be > put to sleep. > > Cheers! > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Tue Feb 19 17:51:51 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:51:51 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] weird USB problem Message-ID: <20130219225151.GD6509@rondo.celtics> I have a USB stick that is 1GB. I know it is one gigabyte; it has been since I first got it. I made it bootable with a Crunchbag ISO. I no longer need it to be bootable so I deleted the partition (via fdisk) and created a new partition (/dev/sdb1) that utilizes the entire drive. I formatted the drive to vfat. When I mount it via 'mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb' I have full read/write capability. However, when I first insert it into a USB slot, it automounts as /dev/sdb, and?here's the kicker?the files are there (the very files that were there before I deleted the partition and created a new primary partition and then formatted the drive). df shows the following: /dev/sdb 765M 765M 0 100% /media/CrunchBang Unmounting /dev/sdb and mounting /dev/sdb1 brings: /dev/sdb1 962M 4.0K 962M 1% /media/usb0 How is this even possible? Am I missing something obvious? How can a bunch of files still be there after deleting the partition, writing a new partition that utilizes the entire drive, and reformatting that partition? -- john-thomas ------ To know how to hide one's ability is great skill. Francois de La Rochefoucauld, writer (1613-1680) From matt at zigg.com Tue Feb 19 18:31:09 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:31:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] weird USB problem In-Reply-To: <20130219225151.GD6509@rondo.celtics> References: <20130219225151.GD6509@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > How is this even possible? Am I missing something obvious? How can a > bunch of files still be there after deleting the partition, writing a > new partition that utilizes the entire drive, and reformatting that > partition? I wonder if this has to do with the boot sector trickery I understand distros are using now to allow the same image to be used either as optical or USB Flash media. Left something behind that fdisk didn't deal with, perhaps? 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How can a > > bunch of files still be there after deleting the partition, writing a > > new partition that utilizes the entire drive, and reformatting that > > partition? > > I wonder if this has to do with the boot sector trickery I understand > distros are using now to allow the same image to be used either as > optical or USB Flash media. Left something behind that fdisk didn't > deal with, perhaps? If the drive is 1GB and my new partition is showing 962MB free, how can the files from /dev/sdb still be there? They aren't there when I mount /dev/sdb1. > I would try zeroing out the MBR plus a bit and starting again with fdisk: > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1k I'll give that a try. -- john-thomas ------ The worst thing about new books is that they keep us from reading the old ones. Joseph Joubert (1754-1824) From megadave at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:22:13 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:22:13 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] weird USB problem In-Reply-To: <20130220020314.GB6839@rondo.celtics> References: <20130219225151.GD6509@rondo.celtics> <20130220020314.GB6839@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I would check VERY carefully to make sure you are writing to the correct device. Check the /dev entries, check dmesg, etc. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 06:31:09PM -0500, Matt Behrens wrote: >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: >> >> > How is this even possible? Am I missing something obvious? How can a >> > bunch of files still be there after deleting the partition, writing a >> > new partition that utilizes the entire drive, and reformatting that >> > partition? >> >> I wonder if this has to do with the boot sector trickery I understand >> distros are using now to allow the same image to be used either as >> optical or USB Flash media. Left something behind that fdisk didn't >> deal with, perhaps? > > If the drive is 1GB and my new partition is showing 962MB free, how can > the files from /dev/sdb still be there? They aren't there when I mount > /dev/sdb1. > >> I would try zeroing out the MBR plus a bit and starting again with fdisk: >> >> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1k > > I'll give that a try. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > The worst thing about new books is that they keep us from reading the > old ones. > Joseph Joubert (1754-1824) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From timschmidt at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 02:58:00 2013 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:58:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] weird USB problem In-Reply-To: References: <20130219225151.GD6509@rondo.celtics> <20130220020314.GB6839@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=1' as root, against the unmounted drive (not partition) will solve your problem. Of course, you'll have to partition and format after that. 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Tim Ledoux, a lead engineer at Merit Network Inc. asked me for help finding someone to help them find or create a Capture The Flag/Challenge Scoring Engine to be used on their Cyber Range, they are funded through grants so are looking for a free one.(open source might be of interested to them as well.) http://www.merit.edu/cyberrange/ Watch their Cyber Range video: http://youtu.be/DcFkWdA445k Tim's contact information: Timothy S. Ledoux Lead Engineer Cyber Range Research & Development Merit Network Inc. 1000 Oakbrook Suite 200 Ann Arbor, MI 48104 (734) 527-5802 He also is in search of candidates for a Senior Analyst position. Senior Analyst position description: This is a senior technician, who operates under the supervision of the Lead Engineer and Director of the Cyber Range. Their duties and responsibilities include but are not limited to the following. Responsible for: ? Assisting Cyber Range users to connect and operate courses and exercises. ? Working as a member of a Red Team during force on force cyber range events. ? Developing challenges for events, classes and lab exercises. Event re-creation a plus. o Vulnerability Assessments o System Hardening o Malware Analysis o Digital Forensics o Incident Response o Packet Analysis o Reverse Engineer o Penetration Testing Experience in: ? Strong Linux Administration at the Large, Enterprise or Global scale. ? Well-versed in IT Security Infrastructure, Architecture and Design. ? Performing Penetration Testing both systems & Applications Testing ? Creating a variety of virtual machine operating systems with a wide range of vulnerability ? Creating virtual data centers using VMware?s VCenter. ? Networking virtual machines ? Puppet ? Using open-source security tools, such as: ? Metasploit, ? nmap, ? wireshark, ? Nessus, ? snort, ? and the tools set available through BackTrack 5 rev 3 ? Forensic Suites, Helix & Encase a plus. Please send all resumes to the Point of Contact listed below. Mark DiCarlo Senior IT Recruiter Office: (734) 996-4800 Wolverine Technical Staffing www.Wolverinetech.com mark at wolverinetech.com -- ubuntu-us-mi mailing list ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mi -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From casey at grlug.org Wed Feb 20 16:33:42 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:33:42 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Meeting TONIGHT Wednesday February 20th @ The Warehouse Message-ID: Hello ALL, YES there is a GRLUG/GRMakers Meeting TONIGHT @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison 7PM till whenever. THANK YOU ALL that helped out with the fundraiser for Josh, Here's some shots of his new braces: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491371733/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378741/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378107/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478596/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478108/in/photostream/ We have some sodas and waters left over from last week but everyone is encouraged to bring what they would like to drink: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492392387/in/photostream/ There seem to be plenty of chips however you are all encouraged to bring whatever you want (last week someone brought 8-Little Caesars Pizzas - thanks again): http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493493556/in/photostream Our library is getting bigger every week and you can bring or burrow any of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493492982/in/photostream/ We took a cap out of the SUB amp last week and weren't able to replicate the hum so I'm thinking we will put this back in and test again: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390853/in/photostream/ Planning on replacing some other caps tonight also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390119/in/photostream/ We've made some progress with the RepRap 3D printer and will be working on it more tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8477899538/in/photostream We're printing more RaspberryPi cases: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8476807895/in/photostream/ The Large Wind Turbine project is moving forward, here's the Battery Bank: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473604893/in/photostream/ Can you believe one of our members carry's all this stuff in his pockets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473122005/in/photostream/ Also we will be working on these things: Audio Amplifier Repair Linux Based Router Project Server Storage Project **Anything YOU want to bring and show off or need help working on** Tomorrow night THURSDAY February 21st I will be hosting the WordPress Grand Rapids Group @ The Warehouse at 7PM to Discuss the basic usage of WordPress, Please rsvp here if you are coming: http://www.meetup.com/wpgrandrapids/events/101826582/ Please share this email with your friends and encourage them to register for our GRMakers Google group @https://groups.google.com/ forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hello ALL, > > YES there is a GRLUG/GRMakers Meeting TONIGHT @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin > St., Jenison 7PM till whenever. > > THANK YOU ALL that helped out with the fundraiser for Josh, Here's some > shots of his new braces: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491371733/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378741/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378107/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478596/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478108/in/photostream/ > > We have some sodas and waters left over from last week but everyone is > encouraged to bring what they would like to drink: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492392387/in/photostream/ > There seem to be plenty of chips however you are all encouraged to bring > whatever you want (last week someone brought 8-Little Caesars Pizzas - > thanks again): > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493493556/in/photostream > > Our library is getting bigger every week and you can bring or burrow any > of these: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493492982/in/photostream/ > We took a cap out of the SUB amp last week and weren't able to replicate > the hum so I'm thinking we will put this back in and test again: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390853/in/photostream/ > Planning on replacing some other caps tonight also: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390119/in/photostream/ > We've made some progress with the RepRap 3D printer and will be working on > it more tonight: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8477899538/in/photostream > We're printing more RaspberryPi cases: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8476807895/in/photostream/ > The Large Wind Turbine project is moving forward, here's the Battery Bank: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473604893/in/photostream/ > Can you believe one of our members carry's all this stuff in his pockets: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473122005/in/photostream/ > > Also we will be working on these things: > Audio Amplifier Repair > Linux Based Router Project > Server Storage Project > **Anything YOU want to bring and show off or need help working on** > > Tomorrow night THURSDAY February 21st I will be hosting the WordPress > Grand Rapids Group @ The Warehouse at 7PM to Discuss the basic usage of > WordPress, Please rsvp here if you are coming: > http://www.meetup.com/wpgrandrapids/events/101826582/ > > Please share this email with your friends and encourage them to register > for our GRMakers Google group @https://groups.google.com/ > forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll also be demonstrating our latest work on > the Leap Motion chrome extension, gesture recognition! > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hello ALL, >> >> YES there is a GRLUG/GRMakers Meeting TONIGHT @ The Warehouse, 112 >> Baldwin St., Jenison 7PM till whenever. >> >> THANK YOU ALL that helped out with the fundraiser for Josh, Here's some >> shots of his new braces: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491371733/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378741/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8491378107/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478596/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492478108/in/photostream/ >> >> We have some sodas and waters left over from last week but everyone is >> encouraged to bring what they would like to drink: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492392387/in/photostream/ >> There seem to be plenty of chips however you are all encouraged to bring >> whatever you want (last week someone brought 8-Little Caesars Pizzas - >> thanks again): >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493493556/in/photostream >> >> Our library is getting bigger every week and you can bring or burrow any >> of these: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8493492982/in/photostream/ >> We took a cap out of the SUB amp last week and weren't able to replicate >> the hum so I'm thinking we will put this back in and test again: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390853/in/photostream/ >> Planning on replacing some other caps tonight also: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8492390119/in/photostream/ >> We've made some progress with the RepRap 3D printer and will be working >> on it more tonight: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8477899538/in/photostream >> We're printing more RaspberryPi cases: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8476807895/in/photostream/ >> The Large Wind Turbine project is moving forward, here's the Battery >> Bank: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473604893/in/photostream/ >> Can you believe one of our members carry's all this stuff in his pockets: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473122005/in/photostream/ >> >> Also we will be working on these things: >> Audio Amplifier Repair >> Linux Based Router Project >> Server Storage Project >> **Anything YOU want to bring and show off or need help working on** >> >> Tomorrow night THURSDAY February 21st I will be hosting the WordPress >> Grand Rapids Group @ The Warehouse at 7PM to Discuss the basic usage of >> WordPress, Please rsvp here if you are coming: >> http://www.meetup.com/wpgrandrapids/events/101826582/ >> >> Please share this email with your friends and encourage them to register >> for our GRMakers Google group @https://groups.google.com/ >> forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GRMakers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 11:09:56 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:09:56 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Save configuration? Message-ID: One is running some recent version of Ubuntu. The workspace switcher is used, and all kinds of kah-kah is put into each space. Browsers, monitors, xterms, and whatever else ya got. Now do a restart, and poof, it's all gone when you get back. Time to start all over again. So, is there a way to save a configuration so that after a reboot things look pretty much as before? kubuntu does this by default. So does the Chrome browser pretty much, using it's "recently closed" feature. -- Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 12:54:42 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:54:42 -0800 Subject: [GRLUG] Save configuration? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D813E64-09BE-4510-8F09-45414FB3DDFC@gmail.com> There used to be an option in gnome to remember window in the gnome settings panel. I am unsure if that is in the unity setup On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > One is running some recent version of Ubuntu. > The workspace switcher is used, and all kinds > of kah-kah is put into each space. Browsers, > monitors, xterms, and whatever else ya got. > > Now do a restart, and poof, it's all gone when > you get back. Time to start all over again. > > So, is there a way to save a configuration so > that after a reboot things look pretty much as > before? > > kubuntu does this by default. So does the > Chrome browser pretty much, using it's > "recently closed" feature. > > -- Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 13:09:50 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:09:50 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Save configuration? In-Reply-To: <2D813E64-09BE-4510-8F09-45414FB3DDFC@gmail.com> References: <2D813E64-09BE-4510-8F09-45414FB3DDFC@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's what I'm looking for all right, but a glance at all of the settings entries doesn't show anything like that that I can see. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Josh wrote: > There used to be an option in gnome to remember window in the gnome > settings panel. I am unsure if that is in the unity setup > > > On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > > > One is running some recent version of Ubuntu. > > The workspace switcher is used, and all kinds > > of kah-kah is put into each space. Browsers, > > monitors, xterms, and whatever else ya got. > > > > Now do a restart, and poof, it's all gone when > > you get back. Time to start all over again. > > > > So, is there a way to save a configuration so > > that after a reboot things look pretty much as > > before? > > > > kubuntu does this by default. So does the > > Chrome browser pretty much, using it's > > "recently closed" feature. > > > > -- Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwm8351 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 14:46:55 2013 From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:46:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GRLUG] Save configuration? In-Reply-To: References: <2D813E64-09BE-4510-8F09-45414FB3DDFC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361562415.77781.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> a quick google says http://askubuntu.com/questions/35625/how-do-i-make-unity-remember-which-applications-are-in-the-launcher ? There is still a bug in the program must use RAID! ________________________________ From: Bob Kline To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Save configuration? That's what I'm looking for all right, but a glance at all of the settings entries doesn't show anything like that that I can see. ?? On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Josh wrote: There used to be an option in gnome to remember window in the gnome settings panel. ?I am unsure if that is in the unity setup > > > >On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > >> One is running some recent version of Ubuntu. >> The workspace switcher is used, and all kinds >> of kah-kah is put into each space. Browsers, >> monitors, xterms, and whatever else ya got. >> >> Now do a restart, and poof, it's all gone when >> you get back. ?Time to start all over again. >> >> So, is there a way to save a configuration so >> that after a reboot things look pretty much as >> before? >> >> kubuntu does this by default. ?So does the >> Chrome browser pretty much, using it's >> "recently closed" feature. >> >> ? -- Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 17:14:16 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:14:16 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Save configuration? In-Reply-To: <1361562415.77781.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <2D813E64-09BE-4510-8F09-45414FB3DDFC@gmail.com> <1361562415.77781.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I tried these things. Right clicking on the launch item locks the item into the launch column, but does not restore anything. I went through the motions with the other suggestion, but after a restart, nothing had changed. Those that have used Kubuntu will know what I'm getting at here. In the end it might be easier if I just go back to that. -- Bob On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > a quick google says > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/35625/how-do-i-make-unity-remember-which-applications-are-in-the-launcher > > > > There is still a bug in the program must use RAID! > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Kline > *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." < > grlug at grlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2013 1:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Save configuration? > > That's what I'm looking for all right, > but a glance at all of the settings > entries doesn't show anything like > that that I can see. > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Josh wrote: > > There used to be an option in gnome to remember window in the gnome > settings panel. I am unsure if that is in the unity setup > > > On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > > > One is running some recent version of Ubuntu. > > The workspace switcher is used, and all kinds > > of kah-kah is put into each space. Browsers, > > monitors, xterms, and whatever else ya got. > > > > Now do a restart, and poof, it's all gone when > > you get back. Time to start all over again. > > > > So, is there a way to save a configuration so > > that after a reboot things look pretty much as > > before? > > > > kubuntu does this by default. So does the > > Chrome browser pretty much, using it's > > "recently closed" feature. > > > > -- Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on the tools > you wish to have 3 phase might be required. > > My suggestion would be to focus on climate control (adding heat/AC gets > expensive especially if uninsulated) and location (ease of access, parking, > security), landlord flexibility and cost. > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Feb 25 08:43:20 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:43:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Nonlinux: Windows won't open FAT32 thumb drive Message-ID: <1361799800.1655.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a USB thumb drive. Opens fine on Mac and Linux. Linux tells me it's FAT32. But Windows 7 won't open it and tells me it needs to be formatted. WTF? From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Feb 25 09:16:02 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:16:02 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Nonlinux: Windows won't open FAT32 thumb drive In-Reply-To: <1361799800.1655.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1361799800.1655.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1361801762.1655.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Whatever. Now it's opening OK. I did look at Disk Management, which told me it was a healthy FAT32, but I didn't do anything there. Then I checked again and it opened. Who can understand? A fellow found a oil lamp in Silicon Valley. He rubbed it and a genie appeared and promised him one wish. He said, build me a 4-lane highway to Hawaii. Genie sighed and said that was impossible. So he said, "Help me to understand Windows." Genie said, "Let's do the highway." (slightly modified version of an old joke) On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 08:43 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I've got a USB thumb drive. Opens fine on Mac and Linux. Linux tells me > it's FAT32. But Windows 7 won't open it and tells me it needs to be > formatted. > > WTF? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mattmichielsen at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:36:10 2013 From: mattmichielsen at gmail.com (Matt Michielsen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:36:10 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Need for Wednesday In-Reply-To: <39A0F2B2-0D14-4C28-9C44-2A975FC0342E@gmail.com> References: <39A0F2B2-0D14-4C28-9C44-2A975FC0342E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have one, but will not be making it out there on Wednesday night. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm needing to a micro sim cutter on Wednesday and would appreciate if > someone could bring one. > Thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grlugcasey at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:43:17 2013 From: grlugcasey at gmail.com (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:43:17 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Need for Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <39A0F2B2-0D14-4C28-9C44-2A975FC0342E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yo Matt, I'll have to pick it up when I stop by with your baby gift. Casey On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Matt Michielsen wrote: > I have one, but will not be making it out there on Wednesday night. > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm needing to a micro sim cutter on Wednesday and would appreciate if >> someone could bring one. >> Thanks! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GRMakers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Yo Matt, > I'll have to pick it up when I stop by with your baby gift. > Casey > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Matt Michielsen < > mattmichielsen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have one, but will not be making it out there on Wednesday night. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm needing to a micro sim cutter on Wednesday and would appreciate if >>> someone could bring one. >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "GRMakers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, scott woods wrote: > Quick question. What is the state of the scheduling for GRLUG social > groups, aside from GRMakers ect.. Are these meetings still ongoing and if > so where can scheduling be found? > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brousch at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:13:45 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:13:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Performance Talks at GRWebDev Tonight Message-ID: I should have mentioned it to this group earlier, but tonight's GRWebDev meeting is about website performance. You all might be interested in the talk about server performance diagnostic tools which will be given by our own amazing Adam Tauno Williams. http://www.meetup.com/grwebdev/events/85103162/ -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From casey at grlug.org Mon Feb 25 14:16:15 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:16:15 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Performance Talks at GRWebDev Tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to say I'm out for tonight but looking forward to seeing everyone at Wednesday's GRLUG/GRMakers Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM till Midnight. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > I should have mentioned it to this group earlier, but tonight's > GRWebDev meeting is about website performance. You all might be > interested in the talk about server performance diagnostic tools which > will be given by our own amazing Adam Tauno Williams. > http://www.meetup.com/grwebdev/events/85103162/ > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Mon Feb 25 14:48:32 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:48:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361821712.3283.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 12:55 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote: > Our only meetings right now are with GRMakers (Wednesday 8PM-10PM @ > The Warehouse). I've slacked off posting them to the GRLUG website for > the last month or so. > as a reminder, anyone is welcome to schedule a GRLUG meeting if you're > willing to do the legwork (location, etc). If you want more formal presentation oriented meetings check out WMLUG, it provides those once a month - and meets in Grand Rapids. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From dpembrook66 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 00:40:29 2013 From: dpembrook66 at yahoo.com (David Pembrook) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:40:29 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> I haven't handled the wiki hosting in years. Someone else took that over. I don't remember who offhand though. On 2/15/2013 12:10 AM, Godwin wrote: > > Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where > this mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by > Dave. I'll look through my emails tomorrow. > > On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" > wrote: > > er. HTML meta refresh. > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol > wrote: > > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and > > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois > wrote: > >> Hey Godwin, > >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? > >> Casey > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol > wrote: > >>> > >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was > hosting it > >>> most recently. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> :wq > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Casey DuBois > >> 616-808-6942 > >> casey at grlug.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > -- > > :wq > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 00:56:14 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:56:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> References: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> Message-ID: For whatever its worth, wiki.grlug.org resolves to an IP address at US Signal, if that rings any bells. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:40 AM, David Pembrook wrote: > I haven't handled the wiki hosting in years. Someone else took that over. I > don't remember who offhand though. > > > On 2/15/2013 12:10 AM, Godwin wrote: > > Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where this > mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by Dave. I'll > look through my emails tomorrow. > > On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: >> >> er. HTML meta refresh. >> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and >> > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> >> Hey Godwin, >> >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? >> >> Casey >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> >>> >> >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it >> >>> most recently. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> :wq >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> grlug mailing list >> >>> grlug at grlug.org >> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Casey DuBois >> >> 616-808-6942 >> >> casey at grlug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grlug mailing list >> >> grlug at grlug.org >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > :wq >> >> >> >> -- >> :wq >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From jeff at ajprogramming.com Tue Feb 26 09:25:11 2013 From: jeff at ajprogramming.com (Jeff Bosch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:25:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: References: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <612730fdbd0770dbc3f24941dd66c18c.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com> Who manages the DNS? can we just point that subdomain at a new server and setup a new wiki? Thanks, Jeff > For whatever its worth, wiki.grlug.org resolves to an IP address at US > Signal, if that rings any bells. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:40 AM, David Pembrook > wrote: >> I haven't handled the wiki hosting in years. Someone else took that >> over. I >> don't remember who offhand though. >> >> >> On 2/15/2013 12:10 AM, Godwin wrote: >> >> Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where this >> mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by Dave. >> I'll >> look through my emails tomorrow. >> >> On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: >>> >>> er. HTML meta refresh. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and >>> > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois >>> wrote: >>> >> Hey Godwin, >>> >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? >>> >> Casey >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it >>> >>> most recently. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> :wq >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> grlug mailing list >>> >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Casey DuBois >>> >> 616-808-6942 >>> >> casey at grlug.org >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> grlug mailing list >>> >> grlug at grlug.org >>> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > :wq >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :wq >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > From brousch at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 09:31:18 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:31:18 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: <612730fdbd0770dbc3f24941dd66c18c.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com> References: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> <612730fdbd0770dbc3f24941dd66c18c.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com> Message-ID: Do we need a new wiki? The old one wasn't used for much. Also, we would need someone to take responsibility for paying for hosting it, setting it up, distributing admin rights, un-spamming it, etc. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jeff Bosch wrote: > Who manages the DNS? can we just point that subdomain at a new server and > setup a new wiki? > > Thanks, > Jeff > >> For whatever its worth, wiki.grlug.org resolves to an IP address at US >> Signal, if that rings any bells. >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:40 AM, David Pembrook >> wrote: >>> I haven't handled the wiki hosting in years. Someone else took that >>> over. I >>> don't remember who offhand though. >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/2013 12:10 AM, Godwin wrote: >>> >>> Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where this >>> mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by Dave. >>> I'll >>> look through my emails tomorrow. >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: >>>> >>>> er. HTML meta refresh. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >>>> > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and >>>> > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois >>>> wrote: >>>> >> Hey Godwin, >>>> >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? >>>> >> Casey >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting it >>>> >>> most recently. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> :wq >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> grlug mailing list >>>> >>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Casey DuBois >>>> >> 616-808-6942 >>>> >> casey at grlug.org >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> grlug mailing list >>>> >> grlug at grlug.org >>>> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > :wq >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> :wq >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From casey at grlug.org Tue Feb 26 10:25:21 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:25:21 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] February WMLUG Meeting - WMLUG Social and Open Discussion Night In-Reply-To: <20130225193935.baf11c0cfa79f013a46d2656cdd0f368.5ca86cb7d9.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> References: <20130225193935.baf11c0cfa79f013a46d2656cdd0f368.5ca86cb7d9.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Hey GRLUG, This week's linux meeting will be Thursday the 28th. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM Subject: February WMLUG Meeting - WMLUG Social and Open Discussion Night To: president at wmlug.org Greetings, Please join us this week Thursday, 2/28, for some brews at Schmohz Brewery and a night of open discussion about Linux and open source software. Apart from free popcorn, Schmohz doesn't have food but we can bring some in. I'll be providing some snacks and pizza, as well as buying a pitcher or two of beer. Schmohz also has root beer if that's more your style. Please let me know if you'll be joining us. We hope to see you there! http://schmohz.com/ 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 Pat Patrick TenHoopen President - West Michigan Linux Users Group http://www.wmlug.org president at wmlug.org ptenhoopen at gmail.com +ptenhoopen on Google+ ptenhoopen on Twitter 616-295-5168 -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apart > from free popcorn, Schmohz doesn't have food but we can bring some in. > I'll be providing some snacks and pizza, as well as buying a pitcher or two > of beer. Schmohz also has root beer if that's more your style. Please let > me know if you'll be joining us. We hope to see you there! > > http://schmohz.com/ > 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 > > Pat > > Patrick TenHoopen > President - West Michigan Linux Users Group > http://www.wmlug.org > president at wmlug.org > ptenhoopen at gmail.com > +ptenhoopen on Google+ > ptenhoopen on Twitter > 616-295-5168 > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- END OF LINE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The old one wasn't used for much. > > Also, we would need someone to take responsibility for paying for > hosting it, setting it up, distributing admin rights, un-spamming it, > etc. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jeff Bosch > wrote: > > Who manages the DNS? can we just point that subdomain at a new server and > > setup a new wiki? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > >> For whatever its worth, wiki.grlug.org resolves to an IP address at US > >> Signal, if that rings any bells. > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:40 AM, David Pembrook > > >> wrote: > >>> I haven't handled the wiki hosting in years. Someone else took that > >>> over. I > >>> don't remember who offhand though. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2/15/2013 12:10 AM, Godwin wrote: > >>> > >>> Hmm it does seem to be timing out. I pay for a hosting plan where this > >>> mailing list is hosted, but I think the wiki was/is hosted by Dave. > >>> I'll > >>> look through my emails tomorrow. > >>> > >>> On Feb 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > >>>> > >>>> er. HTML meta refresh. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Mol > wrote: > >>>> > I vaguely remember that someone else set up a wiki to host with, and > >>>> > the front page was set up as an HTTP redirect. > >>>> > > >>>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Casey DuBois > >>>> wrote: > >>>> >> Hey Godwin, > >>>> >> Was this still on a server under your desk?? > >>>> >> Casey > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Mol > >>>> wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> LUG wiki seems about ready to time out. I forget who was hosting > it > >>>> >>> most recently. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> -- > >>>> >>> :wq > >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >>> grlug mailing list > >>>> >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>>> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> Casey DuBois > >>>> >> 616-808-6942 > >>>> >> casey at grlug.org > >>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> grlug mailing list > >>>> >> grlug at grlug.org > >>>> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > :wq > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> :wq > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> grlug mailing list > >>>> grlug at grlug.org > >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The GRMakers Socials are every Wednesday from 8PM - Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison. We have been pushing maximum capacity at the meetings (40-50) and are currently at 90+ members on our google group! In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). Check out our 3D printing on the MakerBot Replicator 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8414517761/in/photostream , http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8476807895/in/photostream/ Our RepRap 3D printer is almost finished and once it is done we will be printing parts to make more of these for any members that want one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8502518258/in/photostream The Large Wind Turbine project is moving forward, here's the Battery Bank and Inverter: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8473604893/in/photostream/ You can check out our Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/sets/72157632599546408/ Here's some of the other things we work on: Photobooth V2 RepRap Open Source 3D Printer MakerBot Replicator 2 Kiosk Project Tesla Coil Quad Copters Audio Amplifier Repair Linux Based Router Project Server Storage Project (Linux) Sewing Jewelry Making Knife Sharpening Soldiering RaspberryPi (Linux) Arduino Projects and testing Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. To keep informed about our meetings and times please join our google group @ http://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/GRMakers?ref=ts&fref=ts Find us on Google+: grmakers Or check out our website @ grmakers.com Please contact me with any questions or concerns. Connect with me on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/caseydubois There are so many other things going on it's difficult for me to mention them all in one email so I'm inviting you to stop by and see for yourself. Regards, Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemol at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 18:03:57 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:03:57 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: <1361901209.2491.0.camel@p105s6207.site> References: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> <612730fdbd0770dbc3f24941dd66c18c.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com> <1361901209.2491.0.camel@p105s6207.site> Message-ID: <512D3F5D.7060802@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 12:53 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 09:31 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote: >> Do we need a new wiki? The old one wasn't used for much. > > I don't think so. If the LUG has active projects I could see the point; > but there just doesn't seem much to put there that wouldn't be better > off somewhere else. It largely served as a CMS, so it could hold up-to-date info on meetings, mailing lists and the like. I don't have a problem with not bringing back the wiki, but we need a CMS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've > just been a slacker on posting upcoming meetings. If you want access to > the admin, just let me know. I don't know if I have the time right now. :-| -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 01:39:59 2013 From: joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com (Joseph VanDerStelt) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:39:59 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] LUG wiki down? In-Reply-To: <512D6194.2030908@gmail.com> References: <512C4ACD.3030805@yahoo.com> <612730fdbd0770dbc3f24941dd66c18c.squirrel@webmail.ajprogramming.com> <1361901209.2491.0.camel@p105s6207.site> <512D3F5D.7060802@gmail.com> <512D6194.2030908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512DAA3F.9070407@gmail.com> On 2/26/2013 8:29 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On 02/26/2013 06:33 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: >> On Feb 26, 2013 6:04 PM, "Michael Mol" > > wrote: >>> On 02/26/2013 12:53 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >>>> On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 09:31 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote: >>>>> Do we need a new wiki? The old one wasn't used for much. >>> It largely served as a CMS, so it could hold up-to-date info on >>> meetings, mailing lists and the like. >> The current Wordpress site seems to meet all of these criteria. I've >> just been a slacker on posting upcoming meetings. If you want access to >> the admin, just let me know. > I don't know if I have the time right now. :-| > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug I have a server down in Indiana and I would be more than happy to host and grlug sites for free. Let me know and I will setup an account with SFTP and mySQL access. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Feb 27 16:45:14 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:45:14 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] Dumb rsync question Message-ID: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> OK, .. I'm trying to rsync a single file from a directory to a remote host, .. IME I thought rsync used the entire argument as the source, however it appears that rsync is separating the path from the filename - i.e. the file gets transferred to the user root directory, and the path gets stripped! rsync -av public_html/lee remote: "lee" arrives in the user home directory, instead of in "public_html" UNDER that user home directory. How does one preserve the target path of "public_html"? TIA, Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Feb 27 16:51:55 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:51:55 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] Dumb rsync question In-Reply-To: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> References: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <201302272152.r1RLqxYc004516@Mail.omnitec.net> At 03:45 PM 2/27/2013, L. V. Lammert wrote: >OK, .. I'm trying to rsync a single file from a directory to a >remote host, .. IME I thought rsync used the entire argument as the >source, however it appears that rsync is separating the path from >the filename - i.e. the file gets transferred to the user root >directory, and the path gets stripped! Yeah, really dumb ! rsync -R, .. rsync -K preserves symlinks on the target. Sorry for the backscatter, but, then, things have been pretty quiet lately! Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Feb 27 16:57:35 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:57:35 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Dumb rsync question In-Reply-To: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> References: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <1362002255.13054.4.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 15:45 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > OK, .. I'm trying to rsync a single file from a directory to a remote > host, .. IME I thought rsync used the entire argument as the source, No, that would be horribly horribly broken. > however it appears that rsync is separating the path from the > filename - i.e. the file gets transferred to the user root directory, > and the path gets stripped! > rsync -av public_html/lee remote: Nope, that will put "lee" in the default target for whatever the security context on "remote" is. > "lee" arrives in the user home directory, instead of in "public_html" > UNDER that user home directory. How does one preserve the target path > of "public_html"? Simply, it doesn't. What you probably want is the --relative option. Use relative paths. This means that the full path names specified on the command line are sent to the server rather than just the last parts of the filenames. This is particularly useful when you want to send several different directories at the same time. For example, if you used this command:.... -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Feb 27 17:14:40 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:14:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Dumb rsync question In-Reply-To: <1362002255.13054.4.camel@localhost> References: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> <1362002255.13054.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > What you probably want is the --relative option. > Yep! That's what I said, .. dumb question ! Lee From don.ellis at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 17:30:46 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:30:46 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] Dumb rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <201302272146.r1RLkIYc001841@Mail.omnitec.net> <1362002255.13054.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > What you probably want is the --relative option. > > > Yep! That's what I said, .. dumb question ! > I disagree. The question brought up one of the features of rsync I hadn't noticed before (but had been annoyed by not having known). Lists like this should have a practice of regularly asking a question that everyone should know the answer of, but just might not (or might have slipped from memory). Just about anything about rsync, ssh, init.d or rc.d, X11 and a number of other topics could be helpful even to the more experienced members. There is always some feature we may have noticed in passing (or not) but would like further instruction on. Remember, the man pages were mostly meant to refresh our memory of something we already know, but are seldom really helpful for learning a new feature. --Don Ellis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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G- On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Joseph VanDerStelt < joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/26/2013 8:29 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On 02/26/2013 06:33 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > > On Feb 26, 2013 6:04 PM, "Michael Mol" > wrote: > > On 02/26/2013 12:53 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 09:31 -0500, Ben Rousch wrote: > > Do we need a new wiki? The old one wasn't used for much. > > It largely served as a CMS, so it could hold up-to-date info on > meetings, mailing lists and the like. > > The current Wordpress site seems to meet all of these criteria. I've > just been a slacker on posting upcoming meetings. If you want access to > the admin, just let me know. > > I don't know if I have the time right now. :-| > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > I have a server down in Indiana and I would be more than happy to host and > grlug sites for free. Let me know and I will setup an account with SFTP and > mySQL access. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ubber::Geek http://grlug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frequently I find the answer almost immediately after giving up on finding the answer and posting the question somewhere. > Lists like this should have a practice of regularly asking a question > that everyone should know the answer of, but just might not (or might > have slipped from memory). I agree; sometimes someone tosses out a 'new' answer to an old question. And asking doesn't cost anything. But I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how to specify a filter to the ss command that applies to the inode of the socket... > but would like further instruction on. Remember, the man pages were > mostly meant to refresh our memory of something we already know, but > are seldom really helpful for learning a new feature. And really that is all that can be expected of them. As someone who has spent a considerable number of hours creating presentations and writing technical documents - explaining the *WHY* of something is crazy extremely more difficult than explaining to someone who already gets the WHY what the syntax of the HOW is. WHY requires at least some imaginary use-case, and most HOWs have innumerable real-world use-cases that may or may not correspond to the given reader's WHY or the fantastical case the author devises. This is why LUGs and technical conferences are so valuable, I almost always get at least one 'ha! holy crap, that is so obvious... now that you've shown it to me.' And I'll add a plug for long command line options; for example with rsync: "--recursive" is much better than "-R"... or was that "-r", argh! But "--recursive" is much more obvious, especially at 2AM. Indent and comment your code - and use long parameters/switches in scripts and documentation. From detrix42 at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 10:59:57 2013 From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:59:57 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server Message-ID: Hi everyone. I recently set up a web/email server. I am new to setting up the email part. I am using postfix (if there is a better mail server please suggest it), along with alpine email reader. My current question is more about alpine. When I tried to send a test message, it said I did not have a tls certificate. How do I get/set one up? Also, what do I need to do on my DNS record to that I can get emails. I tried to send me a test email from my gmail, but it failed. So what am I missing? currently using ubunut server setup. Jeret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Feb 28 11:15:16 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:15:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi everyone. I recently set up a web/email server. I am new to setting up > the email part. I am using postfix (if there is a better mail server > please suggest it), along with alpine email reader. My current question is > more about alpine. When I tried to send a test message, it said I did not > have a tls certificate. How do I get/set one up? > Most simple servers don't use tls, .. normally you can continue sending with a "y"es to continue? How are you sending email? Simplest is to use a smarthost, forwarding via your ISPs email server, or gmail. Both will require authentication, .. google has a ton of configuration examples. > Also, what do I need to do on my DNS record to that I can get emails. I > tried to send me a test email from my gmail, but it failed. So what am I > missing? > Unless you have a static IP (probably not), don't even try to send/receive yourself. Most servers reject a dynamic IP without any other checking (except for Google, of course, as they harvest your email address so they can sell it). Lee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From matt at zigg.com Thu Feb 28 11:26:07 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:26:07 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4634A521-9562-4323-810A-83CE911BEBA8@zigg.com> On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:15 AM, "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Also, what do I need to do on my DNS record to that I can get emails. I >> tried to send me a test email from my gmail, but it failed. So what am I >> missing? >> > Unless you have a static IP (probably not), don't even try to send/receive > yourself. Most servers reject a dynamic IP without any other checking > (except for Google, of course, as they harvest your email address so they > can sell it). The way I deal with this and still maintain my own server at home is to have a third party handle my SMTP and put it in an IMAP box and then have fetchmail pull it down and redeliver it to my internal Postfix server. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise you can generate a CA certificate, and then issue a certificate for you server to yourself. You'll need to install the CA certificate in the relevant places. From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Feb 28 14:05:10 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:05:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server In-Reply-To: <1362055065.1631.2.camel@linux-g67a.site> References: <1362055065.1631.2.camel@linux-g67a.site> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > You can buy a server certificate from GoDaddy, and it will be > automatically recognized. > GoDaddy is pretty expensive last time I checked, .. quickssl will them for $4.95/yr. > Otherwise you can generate a CA certificate, and then issue a > certificate for you server to yourself. You'll need to install the CA > certificate in the relevant places. > Self signed works for most mail servers, just remember to set the expiration to something like 3650 days (10 years). Lee From geektoyz at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 18:02:12 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:02:12 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server In-Reply-To: References: <1362055065.1631.2.camel@linux-g67a.site> Message-ID: Setting up TLS with Postfix is rather trivial if/when you have Certs. I can post config samples later if requested (gotta go out right now). Cyrus-Imap SSL seemed to be pretty painless also. Use "K-9" (or Kaiten on Android) and your mail is secure there-and-back. Apple Mail and Thunderbird work seamlessly with TLS/SSL also. This page seems to have basing Godaddy SSL's for $5.99/yr. http://www.godaddy.com/compare/gdcompare3_ssl.aspx?gclid=CNr3op2N2rUCFYk7MgodX3IAmg&isc=zssl207a&ef_id=US-hCwAAAMDAp at 9o:20130228225819:s On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > You can buy a server certificate from GoDaddy, and it will be > > automatically recognized. > > > GoDaddy is pretty expensive last time I checked, .. quickssl will them for > $4.95/yr. > > > Otherwise you can generate a CA certificate, and then issue a > > certificate for you server to yourself. You'll need to install the CA > > certificate in the relevant places. > > > Self signed works for most mail servers, just remember to set the > expiration to something like 3650 days (10 years). > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ubber::Geek http://grlug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From godwin at grandrapids-lug.org Thu Feb 28 22:09:03 2013 From: godwin at grandrapids-lug.org (Godwin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:09:03 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] help with setting up email server In-Reply-To: <1362101935.10587.31.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> References: <1362055065.1631.2.camel@linux-g67a.site> <1362101935.10587.31.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> Message-ID: Very nice post/blog Adam. Kudos! On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2013-02-28 at 18:02 -0500, Godwin wrote: > > Setting up TLS with Postfix is rather trivial if/when you have Certs. > > I can post config samples later if requested (gotta go out right now). > > Cyrus-Imap SSL seemed to be pretty painless also. Use "K-9" (or > > Kaiten on Android) and your mail is secure there-and-back. Apple Mail > > and Thunderbird work seamlessly with TLS/SSL also. > > Yep, K-9 is great. > > I've got a couple of BLOG posts on configuring Postfix for different > things. > > > > This page seems to have basing Godaddy SSL's for $5.99/yr. > > And you can get multi-name certificates relatively inexpensively as > well; mutli-name certs are really handy. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ubber::Geek http://grlug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: