From flanderb at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 09:46:29 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations Message-ID: Short Story: Building a server for home and I am looking for a power efficient box. Long Story: Well I moved my old atom based home server this weekend and thought I'll just get the dust out of here while I'm at it. I know I wasn't too careful and yup I must have touched something in the case without proper grounding and now I have a dead server. Totally my fault, but now I am looking into building another one. Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer doesn't power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. What I just destroyed was a foxconn barebones atom mini pc(N15235), and I can't remember the CPU that it came with, It was a few years ago, but I know that it wasn't the lowest powered Atom CPU. This worked well enough for pyTivo and Subsonic. Transcoded videos with only a few minute lead time needed. I liked the Atom processor because it was supposedly good on the electricity(but I never checked it out). I'd like to build another one that does the same things, but I am looking into maybe putting Plex on it. Does Plex require a hefty cpu? I plan on putting ubuntu server on it with: Gitlab Subsonic or Plex PyTivo OwnCloud Other assorted fun server software, that I don't know yet. I'd like usb 3.0 for speedier backing up, and at least 2 sata connections. This is what I am looking at right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119089 Share and Enjoy Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 2 10:33:33 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:33:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Short Story: > Building a server for home and I am looking for a power efficient box. > > Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer doesn't > power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. > That sounds like the power supply, .. a DMM could be useful to spot the exact problem, but finding a replacement power supply could be problematic depending on the HW age. My recommendation would be to consider better HW - we have had good luck with HP MicroServers. About $300 for the chassis, with four SATA drive slots, supports Linux just fine (we use SuSE). I do not know how the CPU would compare with your S/W requirements for media handling, however, .. Good luck! Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 2 10:33:33 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:33:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Short Story: > Building a server for home and I am looking for a power efficient box. > > Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer doesn't > power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. > That sounds like the power supply, .. a DMM could be useful to spot the exact problem, but finding a replacement power supply could be problematic depending on the HW age. My recommendation would be to consider better HW - we have had good luck with HP MicroServers. About $300 for the chassis, with four SATA drive slots, supports Linux just fine (we use SuSE). I do not know how the CPU would compare with your S/W requirements for media handling, however, .. Good luck! Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Dec 2 10:40:58 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:40:58 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1385998858.3294.34.camel@ericscomputer> On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 09:46 -0500, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer > doesn't power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. Do you have another power supply you can plug in and see what happens? From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Dec 2 10:40:58 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:40:58 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1385998858.3294.34.camel@ericscomputer> On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 09:46 -0500, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer > doesn't power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. Do you have another power supply you can plug in and see what happens? From lord.drachenblut at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 11:05:36 2013 From: lord.drachenblut at gmail.com (Lord Drachenblut) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:05:36 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Plex can be very CPU intensive if you are using transcoding On Dec 2, 2013 10:34 AM, "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > > > Short Story: > > Building a server for home and I am looking for a power efficient box. > > > > Is it possible to troubleshoot what I destroyed when the computer doesn't > > power on at all, hitting the power button yields nothing. > > > That sounds like the power supply, .. a DMM could be useful to spot the > exact problem, but finding a replacement power supply could be problematic > depending on the HW age. > > My recommendation would be to consider better HW - we have had good luck > with HP MicroServers. About $300 for the chassis, with four SATA drive > slots, supports Linux just fine (we use SuSE). > > I do not know how the CPU would compare with your S/W requirements for > media handling, however, .. > > Good luck! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 2 11:16:30 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:16:30 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] Home Server recomendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201312021616.rB2GGVMF004648@Mail.omnitec.net> At 10:05 AM 12/2/2013, Lord Drachenblut wrote: >Plex can be very CPU intensive if you are using transcoding That's what I suspected, .. be sure to compare the CPU specs to the Atom that was being used before. Lee From greg at gregfolkert.net Mon Dec 2 22:11:04 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:11:04 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Sprout Lab Discount available! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386040264.12419.3.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Top posting since this no longer is of any use and it tremendously late. I got this: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:37:26 -0500 Not in October like the date states. Was this problematic for some reason? (ala Bob Kline accusatory tone in full effect!) On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:09 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote: > > Sprout Lab is pleased to offer a 20% discount to members of GRIN, GR > Makers, > the Muskegon Inventors Network, and Michigan Farm Bureau. > > Plan to be part of this new Ag/Natural Resources innovation > workshop: > Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday > November 4, 5, 6, 2013 (8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.) > > Register online at www.SproutLab.org. > At the Eventbrite payment option, choose Innovator-Group Member > and pay just $155 for the 3-day Sprout Lab workshop. > > Questions? Call Julie Cowie, Sprout Lab Program Manager, at > 269.214.1227 > or contact her by email: julie at SproutLab.org > > --Please register by Friday, October 25-- > > > > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in." -- Galileo Galilei -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From megadave at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 22:45:14 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:45:14 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Sprout Lab Discount available! In-Reply-To: <1386040264.12419.3.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> References: <1386040264.12419.3.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: Checking the headers looks like i got stuck in-queue on the grlug server for all that time... On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: > Top posting since this no longer is of any use and it tremendously late. > I got this: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:37:26 -0500 > > Not in October like the date states. Was this problematic for some > reason? (ala Bob Kline accusatory tone in full effect!) > > > On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:09 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote: >> >> Sprout Lab is pleased to offer a 20% discount to members of GRIN, GR >> Makers, >> the Muskegon Inventors Network, and Michigan Farm Bureau. >> >> Plan to be part of this new Ag/Natural Resources innovation >> workshop: >> Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday >> November 4, 5, 6, 2013 (8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.) >> >> Register online at www.SproutLab.org. >> At the Eventbrite payment option, choose Innovator-Group Member >> and pay just $155 for the 3-day Sprout Lab workshop. >> >> Questions? Call Julie Cowie, Sprout Lab Program Manager, at >> 269.214.1227 >> or contact her by email: julie at SproutLab.org >> >> --Please register by Friday, October 25-- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -- > greg at gregfolkert.net > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C > "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in." > -- Galileo Galilei > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From geektoyz at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 08:18:06 2013 From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:18:06 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Sprout Lab Discount available! In-Reply-To: References: <1386040264.12419.3.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: Yup. I've been slacking... :-) On Dec 2, 2013 10:45 PM, "Dave Chiodo" wrote: > Checking the headers looks like i got stuck in-queue on the grlug > server for all that time... > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Greg Folkert > wrote: > > Top posting since this no longer is of any use and it tremendously late. > > I got this: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:37:26 -0500 > > > > Not in October like the date states. Was this problematic for some > > reason? (ala Bob Kline accusatory tone in full effect!) > > > > > > On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:09 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> > >> Sprout Lab is pleased to offer a 20% discount to members of GRIN, GR > >> Makers, > >> the Muskegon Inventors Network, and Michigan Farm Bureau. > >> > >> Plan to be part of this new Ag/Natural Resources innovation > >> workshop: > >> Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday > >> November 4, 5, 6, 2013 (8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.) > >> > >> Register online at www.SproutLab.org. > >> At the Eventbrite payment option, choose Innovator-Group Member > >> and pay just $155 for the 3-day Sprout Lab workshop. > >> > >> Questions? Call Julie Cowie, Sprout Lab Program Manager, at > >> 269.214.1227 > >> or contact her by email: julie at SproutLab.org > >> > >> --Please register by Friday, October 25-- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Casey DuBois > >> 616-808-6942 > >> casey at grlug.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > > greg at gregfolkert.net > > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 > > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C > > "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in." > > -- Galileo Galilei > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Dec 3 09:09:02 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:09:02 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] new wireless router Message-ID: <1386079742.5704.11.camel@ericscomputer> I'm looking at Medialink Wireless-N Broadband Router with Internal Antennas (300Mbps) for $49.99. Does anyone have any experience with it? Online reviews look mostly positive, but one never knows how authentic they are. Thanks From matt at zigg.com Tue Dec 3 09:15:08 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:15:08 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <1419863F-52D6-4C84-B2E9-D4E980F270C6@zigg.com> On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal > behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the > same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and > wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. > > Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? Do they > somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? Does running both at > the same time create any problems? Where and how would the behavior get > determined? I don?t know precisely what the rules are in these situations, but they can?t share the traffic because each interface has different MAC and IP addresses. As far as other hosts on the network are concerned, it looks like your single computer is two different hosts. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4094 bytes Desc: not available URL: From greg at gregfolkert.net Tue Dec 3 09:17:23 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:17:23 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Sprout Lab Discount available! In-Reply-To: References: <1386040264.12419.3.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <1386080243.12419.5.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> I did see that Dave... sort of why I added the "Bob Kline" reference. Sorry for my bad attempt at humor, accusing this list of moderation/censorship. On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 22:45 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Checking the headers looks like i got stuck in-queue on the grlug > server for all that time... > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Top posting since this no longer is of any use and it tremendously late. > > I got this: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:37:26 -0500 > > > > Not in October like the date states. Was this problematic for some > > reason? (ala Bob Kline accusatory tone in full effect!) > > > > > > On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:09 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> > >> Sprout Lab is pleased to offer a 20% discount to members of GRIN, GR > >> Makers, > >> the Muskegon Inventors Network, and Michigan Farm Bureau. > >> > >> Plan to be part of this new Ag/Natural Resources innovation > >> workshop: > >> Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday > >> November 4, 5, 6, 2013 (8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.) > >> > >> Register online at www.SproutLab.org. > >> At the Eventbrite payment option, choose Innovator-Group Member > >> and pay just $155 for the 3-day Sprout Lab workshop. > >> > >> Questions? Call Julie Cowie, Sprout Lab Program Manager, at > >> 269.214.1227 > >> or contact her by email: julie at SproutLab.org > >> > >> --Please register by Friday, October 25-- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Casey DuBois > >> 616-808-6942 > >> casey at grlug.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > > greg at gregfolkert.net > > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 > > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C > > "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in." > > -- Galileo Galilei > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Life is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced." -- Soren Kierkegaard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Online reviews look mostly > positive, but one never knows how authentic they are. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chouse at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 09:25:17 2013 From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:25:17 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: What does your routing table show? I assume one connection has a more-preferred priority than the other, but that may just be the order in which they came online at boot. I know in Windows you can prefer one connection over the other for outbound traffic. In Windows 8 (sorry, linux group, I know), it disconnects the Wifi when connected via Ethernet - at least my HP laptop does. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal > behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the > same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and > wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. > > Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? Do they > somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? Does running both at > the same time create any problems? Where and how would the behavior get > determined? > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Dec 3 09:30:10 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:30:10 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Depends on the OS but generally wired connections take precedence and all traffic will flow there. Use the "ip route" command to see which device has the default route (0.0.0.0) or paste it here and we can help translate. Mark On Dec 3, 2013 8:49 AM, "Eric Beversluis" wrote: > I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal > behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the > same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and > wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. > > Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? Do they > somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? Does running both at > the same time create any problems? Where and how would the behavior get > determined? > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Dec 3 09:34:23 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:34:23 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <1386081263.4970.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 08:48 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal > behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the > same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and > wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. You probably end up using one connection for everything; assuming all traffic is heading to the default gateway. > Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? Most likely. > Do they somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? No. Each interface has a separate address, so this is not possible. You would have to bridge the connections in order to 'bond' the traffic; and bridging two different medias ... not wise. > Does running both at the same time create any problems? Eh, probably not. > Where and how would the behavior get determined? I just wouldn't do it. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From casey at grlug.org Tue Dec 3 09:52:25 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:52:25 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] new wireless router In-Reply-To: References: <1386079742.5704.11.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Rich introduced me to Ubiquity and I've been happy with all of the different units I've used/installed. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Christopher House wrote: > I was not a fan of the Medialink - > http://csh.us/2013/04/08/a-medialink-surprise/ - poor range, and seems to > be a rebranded Tenda. I keep my stuff in the basement and it performed > poorly in terms of range, but maybe that's just me and my house. I > ultimately went with an ASUS RT-AC66U. Pricey, but totally worth it. > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Eric Beversluis < > ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > >> I'm looking at Medialink Wireless-N Broadband Router with Internal >> Antennas (300Mbps) for $49.99. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with it? Online reviews look mostly >> positive, but one never knows how authentic they are. >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Dec 3 10:07:44 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:07:44 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: <1386081263.4970.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> <1386081263.4970.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <1386083264.2172.9.camel@ericscomputer> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:34 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 08:48 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal > > behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the > > same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and > > wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. > > You probably end up using one connection for everything; assuming all > traffic is heading to the default gateway. > > > Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? > > Most likely. 'ip route' lists the Ethernet connection (dev p6p1) first, even if it's added after the computer boots up into wireless with the Ethernet cable disconnected. And the icon in the top panel switches to the Ethernet icon once Ethernet is reconnected. This seems to suggest that the Ethernet will always take precedence if both are connected, but that may be unique to my setup, as right now I have a separate AP (router being used only in AP mode) and my router is not wireless. > > > Do they somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? > > No. Each interface has a separate address, so this is not possible. > You would have to bridge the connections in order to 'bond' the traffic; > and bridging two different medias ... not wise. I don't see how the different address determines whether messages would alternate. I would expect that in any case a single message would be tied to a given interface. > > > Does running both at the same time create any problems? > > Eh, probably not. > > > Where and how would the behavior get determined? > > I just wouldn't do it. I was asking here about the "basic" behavior that decides which connection to use. (So I guess this would involve delving into the guts of the OSI Network layer?) > Thanks. This has been helpful. From richardnienhuis at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 10:21:10 2013 From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 10:21:10 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] new wireless router In-Reply-To: References: <1386079742.5704.11.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Ubiquiti is a good choice, but might not be at your price point. You could get the low power pico2 100mw for ~55$ but you would still need a switch if you wanted wired connections. Most Ubiquiti equipment only comes with 1 or 2 ethernet ports. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Rich introduced me to Ubiquity and I've been happy with all of the > different units I've used/installed. > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Christopher House wrote: > >> I was not a fan of the Medialink - >> http://csh.us/2013/04/08/a-medialink-surprise/ - poor range, and seems >> to be a rebranded Tenda. I keep my stuff in the basement and it performed >> poorly in terms of range, but maybe that's just me and my house. I >> ultimately went with an ASUS RT-AC66U. Pricey, but totally worth it. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Eric Beversluis < >> ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: >> >>> I'm looking at Medialink Wireless-N Broadband Router with Internal >>> Antennas (300Mbps) for $49.99. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience with it? 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Pricey, > but totally worth it. > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > I'm looking at Medialink Wireless-N Broadband Router with > Internal > Antennas (300Mbps) for $49.99. > > Does anyone have any experience with it? Online reviews look > mostly > positive, but one never knows how authentic they are. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From chouse at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 14:56:58 2013 From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:56:58 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] new wireless router In-Reply-To: <1386085093.2172.13.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386079742.5704.11.camel@ericscomputer> <1386085093.2172.13.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:23 -0500, Christopher House wrote: > > I was not a fan of the Medialink - > > http://csh.us/2013/04/08/a-medialink-surprise/ - > > Very interesting link. Both the idea that this could just be a cheaper > item re-packaged and the idea that many of the 'reviews' are bogus. > > There's sure not much useful info on the Medialink web site. > > > I wrote a poor review on Amazon calling them out about the matching Tenda unit and Medialink replied, denied everything, saying the internals were different, blah blah. I was happy to return it to Amazon either way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 19:19:52 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:19:52 -0600 Subject: [GRLUG] running wireless and ethernet at the same time In-Reply-To: References: <1386078535.5704.5.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: On my Mac (OSX - various levels), in the Network Pref Pane, the various interfaces are listed in order of precedence. To give one interface higher precedence, it can be dragged above the others. If one is active but not connected, no traffic uses that interface. I currently have the Ethernet interface set to higher precedence than the WiFi interface. For further stringency, I have created "locations", with one having both interfaces, and the other having only Ethernet. This way, if I forget to switch location (with WiFi selected), but plug in Ethernet, the Ethernet interface is used. When I use Ethernet, I usually remember to switch to the location without WiFi, and this assures that I am using the Ethernet, and not WiFi. --Don Ellis On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > Depends on the OS but generally wired connections take precedence and all > traffic will flow there. Use the "ip route" command to see which device > has the default route (0.0.0.0) or paste it here and we can help translate. > > Mark > On Dec 3, 2013 8:49 AM, "Eric Beversluis" > wrote: > >> I'm looking for a basic explanation of what happens, what the normal >> behavior is, when a computer is connected to the same router (and so the >> same LAN and same Internet connection) with both Ethernet cable and >> wireless. I don't see anything on line addressing that basic question. >> >> Does one (maybe the first to come up) just take all the traffic? Do they >> somehow alternate or otherwise share the traffic? Does running both at >> the same time create any problems? Where and how would the behavior get >> determined? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 6 00:45:52 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:45:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] qemu arm Message-ID: Trying to build a Raspian VM using QEMU, but I can't seem to find a working initrd for the 3.2 kernel & ext4. Don't suppose anyone has any pointers or resources? Thanks! Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Dec 9 11:17:16 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:17:16 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product Message-ID: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems to be to swipe it with one's nose! (Of course also applies if one is wearing rubber gloves for a cleaning project--ever try to strip off rubber gloves fast to catch a call? What's the case with various Android phones? From megadave at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 11:20:03 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:20:03 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product In-Reply-To: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: That pretty much applies to touchscreens in general. ISTR people in russia using frozen sausage links :) On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with > gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems > to be to swipe it with one's nose! (Of course also applies if one is > wearing rubber gloves for a cleaning project--ever try to strip off > rubber gloves fast to catch a call? > > What's the case with various Android phones? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 11:21:01 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:21:01 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product In-Reply-To: References: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Cite: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/12/frozen-sausage-as-iphone-stylus/ On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > That pretty much applies to touchscreens in general. ISTR people in > russia using frozen sausage links :) > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: >> iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with >> gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems >> to be to swipe it with one's nose! (Of course also applies if one is >> wearing rubber gloves for a cleaning project--ever try to strip off >> rubber gloves fast to catch a call? >> >> What's the case with various Android phones? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From parsleyfirefly at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 11:25:40 2013 From: parsleyfirefly at gmail.com (Dagny Mol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:25:40 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product In-Reply-To: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: You need better gloves. Costco has a couple varieties that work with touchscreens. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with > gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems > to be to swipe it with one's nose! (Of course also applies if one is > wearing rubber gloves for a cleaning project--ever try to strip off > rubber gloves fast to catch a call? > > What's the case with various Android phones? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Mon Dec 9 11:26:02 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:26:02 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product In-Reply-To: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with > gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems > to be to swipe it with one's nose! (Of course also applies if one is > wearing rubber gloves for a cleaning project--ever try to strip off > rubber gloves fast to catch a call? This is true of most modern touchscreens, which rely on body capacitance. There are many glove manufacturers that make "touchscreen compatible" gloves that have a small amount of conductive thread in the fingertip. https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/11/06/make-touchscreen-gloves-with-conductive-yarn/ multitouch is difficult to do and less accurate on other touchscreen technologies. Most other techs require sensors of film on the front side of the glass layer or in a fat frame around the glass which is prone to scratches. Mark From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 9 16:17:54 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:17:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Any Pi folks out there? Message-ID: Been trying to get a development VM setup to compile packages for a Pi appliance, .. and running into many different problems. Could anyone share their experience building a working Pi VM with qemu? There is a LOT of crap out there, and filtering for useful information is proving less than fruitful. TIA! Lee From mattmichielsen at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 16:53:00 2013 From: mattmichielsen at gmail.com (Matt Michielsen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:53:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Any Pi folks out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're using Debian, this guide is pretty useful: https://wiki.debian.org/MatthiasSchmitz#Building_own_Debian_image_for_Raspberry_Pi On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Been trying to get a development VM setup to compile packages for a Pi > appliance, .. and running into many different problems. > > Could anyone share their experience building a working Pi VM with qemu? > There is a LOT of crap out there, and filtering for useful information is > proving less than fruitful. > > TIA! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 9 17:07:52 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:07:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Any Pi folks out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Matt Michielsen wrote: > If you're using Debian, this guide is pretty useful: > https://wiki.debian.org/MatthiasSchmitz#Building_own_Debian_image_for_Raspberry_Pi > Cool! Unfortunately, we cannot use base Debian - need the Raspberry Pi libraries and utilities, such as raspvid. Lee From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Dec 9 17:23:51 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:23:51 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Any Pi folks out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A642F7.2040603@upmerchants.com> On 12/09/2013 05:07 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Matt Michielsen wrote: > >> If you're using Debian, this guide is pretty useful: >> https://wiki.debian.org/MatthiasSchmitz#Building_own_Debian_image_for_Raspberry_Pi >> > Cool! Unfortunately, we cannot use base Debian - need the Raspberry Pi > libraries and utilities, such as raspvid. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > Have you tried this site for debian based raspberry pi? http://www.raspbian.org/ -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 9 17:34:45 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:34:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Any Pi folks out there? In-Reply-To: <52A642F7.2040603@upmerchants.com> References: <52A642F7.2040603@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Patrick Goupell wrote: > Have you tried this site for debian based raspberry pi? > > http://www.raspbian.org/ > Yep, .. build a working VM with it, but no Raspberry Pi libries (i.e. no raspivid). Lee From matthew at threadlight.com Mon Dec 9 20:27:20 2013 From: matthew at threadlight.com (Matthew Seeley) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:27:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] iPhone = california product In-Reply-To: References: <1386605836.2144.24.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: For what it's worth, Nokia sells a number of Windows Phones that have a 'glove' mode, where the touchscreen is sensitive enough to handle touches through normal (non touchscreen compatible) gloves. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/10/02/get-a-feel-for-nokias-super-sensitive-touch-displays/ -- Matthew Seeley Threadlight Systems PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501 (616) 328-5649 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > > iPhone clearly reflects its California roots. You can't answer it with > > gloves on! Whole long threads about this--the best (only) answer seems > > to be to swipe it with one's nose! 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URL: From topher at codeventure.net Wed Dec 11 20:01:11 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 20:01:11 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] boot from two drives Message-ID: <52A90AD7.9030007@codeventure.net> I currently have a terrabyte drive, dual booting win and lin. Works great. I want to get a 120G ssd and put Linux on it, but leave window on the platter drive. Then dual boot as always, but boot linux from the ssd and win from the platter. How hard is it to tell grub to do that? Topher From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Dec 11 21:04:45 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:04:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] boot from two drives In-Reply-To: <52A90AD7.9030007@codeventure.net> References: <52A90AD7.9030007@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <1386813885.2936.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 20:01 -0500, Topher wrote: > I currently have a terrabyte drive, dual booting win and lin. Works great. > I want to get a 120G ssd and put Linux on it, but leave window on the > platter drive. > Then dual boot as always, but boot linux from the ssd and win from the > platter. > How hard is it to tell grub to do that? It depends on how you have partitioned it - assuming you want to move the existing partitions. Otherwise it is no issue at all; grub indexes by device and partition, so it does not care if the boot partition is on the first or the seventy first device. *But* you do have to load the boot-loader, grub, somehow. How that works can depend upon your firmware - sometimes you can only boot from the 'first' drive although I'd guess that any reasonably decent modern firmware won't have any problems. In openSUSE Yast will allow you to configure and reinsert the GRUB/GRUB2 boot loader. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From leapole at gmail.com Wed Dec 11 21:33:11 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:33:11 -0800 Subject: [GRLUG] boot from two drives In-Reply-To: <52A90AD7.9030007@codeventure.net> References: <52A90AD7.9030007@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <99182EF5-F32D-461C-8543-8EADB6754749@gmail.com> Not hard at all You will just need to change a setting from hd0,0 to hd1,0. Or how ever it need to be for your setup > On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Topher wrote: > > I currently have a terrabyte drive, dual booting win and lin. Works great. > > I want to get a 120G ssd and put Linux on it, but leave window on the > platter drive. > > Then dual boot as always, but boot linux from the ssd and win from the > platter. > > How hard is it to tell grub to do that? > > Topher > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Dec 12 18:21:01 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:21:01 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] high cpu systemd-journal and rsyslogd Message-ID: <1386890461.10399.69.camel@ericscomputer> My computer is making a noise like it's work hard--which it is, system system monitor shows cpu running continuously at about 95%. Looking at 'top' indicates: systemd-journal 70-80% rsyslogd 50% Can someone say what's going on and why it's happening? Thanks From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Dec 12 18:25:41 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:25:41 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] high cpu systemd-journal and rsyslogd In-Reply-To: <1386890461.10399.69.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1386890461.10399.69.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <1386890741.10399.70.camel@ericscomputer> Turns out my Nemo file handler was 'not responding' and when I force quit it, CPU activity jumped way down. Thanks anyway. On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 18:21 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: > My computer is making a noise like it's work hard--which it is, system > system monitor shows cpu running continuously at about 95%. Looking at > 'top' indicates: > > systemd-journal 70-80% > rsyslogd 50% > > Can someone say what's going on and why it's happening? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From flanderb at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:00:46 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:00:46 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables Message-ID: Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? Thanks in advance Share and Enjoy Ben From danwiddisii at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:08:58 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (danwiddisii at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:08:58 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Monoprice.com they sell awesome cables at excellent prices reviews them at service express they are awesome On Dec 13, 2013 4:06 PM, "theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com" < theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com> wrote: > Monoprice.com great cables and awesome prices. > On Dec 13, 2013 4:01 PM, "Benjamin Flanders" wrote: > >> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI >> cables? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> Share and Enjoy >> Ben >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, danwiddisii at gmail.com < danwiddisii at gmail.com> wrote: > Monoprice.com they sell awesome cables at excellent prices reviews them at > service express they are awesome > On Dec 13, 2013 4:06 PM, "theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com" < > theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Monoprice.com great cables and awesome prices. >> On Dec 13, 2013 4:01 PM, "Benjamin Flanders" wrote: >> >>> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI >>> cables? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> >>> Share and Enjoy >>> Ben >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:40:19 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:40:19 -0800 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27C61335-CF6B-47E5-B303-67A195135ADC@gmail.com> I would try comprenew. They have good amount off cool stuff cheaper > On Dec 13, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > > But are they local? > > >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, danwiddisii at gmail.com wrote: >> Monoprice.com they sell awesome cables at excellent prices reviews them at service express they are awesome >> >>> On Dec 13, 2013 4:06 PM, "theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com" wrote: >>> Monoprice.com great cables and awesome prices. >>> >>>> On Dec 13, 2013 4:01 PM, "Benjamin Flanders" wrote: >>>> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> >>>> >>>> Share and Enjoy >>>> Ben >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lem at angryorb.com Fri Dec 13 16:43:30 2013 From: lem at angryorb.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:43:30 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: <27C61335-CF6B-47E5-B303-67A195135ADC@gmail.com> References: <27C61335-CF6B-47E5-B303-67A195135ADC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <215B5554-8DF1-49C5-B6D6-D65D80C13103@angryorb.com> I would call them first, I checked with them a month or two ago and they really lack supply of more modern technology. They didn't have any hdmi cables or monitors. -Lee On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Josh wrote: > I would try comprenew. They have good amount off cool stuff cheaper > > > On Dec 13, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Ben Rousch wrote: > >> But are they local? >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, danwiddisii at gmail.com wrote: >> Monoprice.com they sell awesome cables at excellent prices reviews them at service express they are awesome >> >> On Dec 13, 2013 4:06 PM, "theb1ackkn1ght1979 at gmail.com" wrote: >> Monoprice.com great cables and awesome prices. >> >> On Dec 13, 2013 4:01 PM, "Benjamin Flanders" wrote: >> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> Share and Enjoy >> Ben >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Rousch >> brousch at gmail.com >> http://clusterbleep.net/ >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justin.denick at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:57:08 2013 From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:57:08 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try the Home Depot. Watch the hdmi specification-- They may not be the right hdmi cable to transmit 4k video or 3D stuff. -j On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? > > Thanks in advance > > > Share and Enjoy > Ben > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From flanderb at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 17:52:56 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:52:56 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Called CompRenew, they have 6ft cables for $5 which might be long enough., but they close as 6 and I don't get out of work until 6:30. I might see if I can get there tomorrow. Also Is there really a difference in HDMI cables? I've always heard that since hdmi is digital any cable that can carry a signal will, well, carry the signal. Share and Enjoy Ben On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Justin Denick wrote: > Try the Home Depot. Watch the hdmi specification-- They may not be the right hdmi cable to transmit 4k video or 3D stuff. > > > -j > > On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > >> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> Share and Enjoy >> Ben >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From lem at angryorb.com Fri Dec 13 18:22:21 2013 From: lem at angryorb.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:22:21 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It can come down to the grade of copper used in the cables. Better cables will have better bandwidth. For digital signals however, I doubt you would notice anything. If a few bits get lost, there is enough error correction that you shouldn't notice anything. loose to many and the picture will skip. I personally buy the $5 hdmi cables off of amazon all the time. 6ft in length and don't have any issue with them. -Lee On Dec 13, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Called CompRenew, they have 6ft cables for $5 which might be long > enough., but they close as 6 and I don't get out of work until 6:30. > I might see if I can get there tomorrow. > > Also Is there really a difference in HDMI cables? I've always heard > that since hdmi is digital any cable that can carry a signal will, > well, carry the signal. > Share and Enjoy > Ben > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Justin Denick wrote: >> Try the Home Depot. Watch the hdmi specification-- They may not be the right hdmi cable to transmit 4k video or 3D stuff. >> >> >> -j >> >> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: >> >>> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI cables? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> >>> Share and Enjoy >>> Ben >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From richardnienhuis at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 19:16:21 2013 From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:16:21 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] hdmi cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you can deal with the drive computers and more in holland has cables for decent prices. Call first though. On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Lee wrote: > It can come down to the grade of copper used in the cables. Better cables > will have better bandwidth. For digital signals however, I doubt you would > notice anything. If a few bits get lost, there is enough error correction > that you shouldn't notice anything. loose to many and the picture will > skip. I personally buy the $5 hdmi cables off of amazon all the time. 6ft > in length and don't have any issue with them. > > -Lee > > > On Dec 13, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > > > Called CompRenew, they have 6ft cables for $5 which might be long > > enough., but they close as 6 and I don't get out of work until 6:30. > > I might see if I can get there tomorrow. > > > > Also Is there really a difference in HDMI cables? I've always heard > > that since hdmi is digital any cable that can carry a signal will, > > well, carry the signal. > > Share and Enjoy > > Ben > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Justin Denick > wrote: > >> Try the Home Depot. Watch the hdmi specification-- They may not be the > right hdmi cable to transmit 4k video or 3D stuff. > >> > >> > >> -j > >> > >> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Benjamin Flanders > wrote: > >> > >>> Now that GPC is gone, where is a good local place to buy cheap HDMI > cables? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance > >>> > >>> > >>> Share and Enjoy > >>> Ben > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Dec 16 09:48:00 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (patrick at upmerchants.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:48:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer Message-ID: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> Hello, My computer died this morning. Over the past week it has been having hard lockups where I need to power off and back on to get it to work. No problem messages of any kind in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog when I checked it astre restart. I did get a bios message once, something about the "dram" setting. Did not record it so cannot say amy more about it. Power supply looks good when plugged into a power judge tester. system consists of: ECS A780LM-M2 AMD 760G Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket AM3, AMD 760G Chipset, 1800MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA II (3Gb/s), RAID, Radeon HD 3000 Graphics, 6-CH Audio, Fast Ethernet LAN, USB 2.0 MPN: A780LM-M2 (10/100) AMD AD610EHDK42GM Athlon II X4 610e Processor - Quad Core, 2MB L2 Cache, 2.40GHz, Socket AM3, 45W, No Fan, OEM MPN: AD610EHDK42GM Thermaltake CL-P0503 CPU Cooler - 70mm Fan, Rifle Bearing, Socket AM2, AM2+, AM3, 754, 939 MPN: CL-P0503 ADATA Premier Series AD3U1333C4G9-SH 4GB Desktop Memory Module - PC3-10666, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM Diablotek CPA-0170 Diamond ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 400W PSU, 2x Int 5.25" x 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x Front USB 2.0 Ports, Black MPN: CPA-0170 Unfortunately I don't have any other machine / parts to swap around to see if it will revive. Any ideas as to what could be the most likely cause / what parts to start replacing first? Thank you. Patrick From danwiddisii at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 10:03:00 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (danwiddisii at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:03:00 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: Patrick, I work for a computer company locally and do a ton of diagnostic and repair work on a variety of servers, main frame equipment etc. - I say that to let you know I have a lot of experience as I do this kind of stuff every day of the week! A few years ago I had a similar issue with my system and had memory issues with OCZ and ADATA memory. I figured this out by running memtest86 - a utility available for free - it's a bootable disk that you run and it does thorough testing of the memory - if you google it you should be able to find it rather quick. After several attempts to get 'good' memory from OCZ and ADATA I gave up and bought Corsair memory - all builds I do from now on (for friends/family etc.) I will only use high-quality Corsair (or equivalent) memory for this reason. The issue 'could' also be with the system board - if you can get your hands on some memory to test the box - you should be able to determine the problem pretty quick. The good thing is that the PC3-10666 memory is rather cheap compared to past memory types. I would start with memory first though. Have a great Christmas - and good luck!! Dan On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > My computer died this morning. Over the past week it has been having hard > lockups where I need to power off and back on to get it to work. > > No problem messages of any kind in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog > when I checked it astre restart. > > I did get a bios message once, something about the "dram" setting. Did > not record it so cannot say amy more about it. > > Power supply looks good when plugged into a power judge tester. > > system consists of: > > ECS A780LM-M2 AMD 760G Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket AM3, AMD 760G > Chipset, 1800MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA II (3Gb/s), RAID, Radeon HD 3000 > Graphics, 6-CH Audio, Fast Ethernet LAN, USB 2.0 MPN: A780LM-M2 (10/100) > > AMD AD610EHDK42GM Athlon II X4 610e Processor - Quad Core, 2MB L2 Cache, > 2.40GHz, Socket AM3, 45W, No Fan, OEM MPN: AD610EHDK42GM > > Thermaltake CL-P0503 CPU Cooler - 70mm Fan, Rifle Bearing, Socket AM2, > AM2+, AM3, 754, 939 MPN: CL-P0503 > > ADATA Premier Series AD3U1333C4G9-SH 4GB Desktop Memory Module - > PC3-10666, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM > > Diablotek CPA-0170 Diamond ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 400W PSU, > 2x Int 5.25" x 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x Front USB 2.0 Ports, Black > MPN: CPA-0170 > > Unfortunately I don't have any other machine / parts to swap around to see > if it will revive. > > Any ideas as to what could be the most likely cause / what parts to start > replacing first? > > Thank you. > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Dec 16 10:29:40 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (patrick at upmerchants.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:29:40 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> Thank you for the info. I was going to start with the memory first but will try the corsair instead of the adata. Years ago if you pulled the memory from a motherboard and powered it up it would beep at you. I tried that and no beeps. Do today's motherboards still beep if they don't find any memory? Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > Patrick, > I work for a computer company locally and do a ton of diagnostic and repair > work on a variety of servers, main frame equipment etc. - I say that to let > you know I have a lot of experience as I do this kind of stuff every day of > the week! > > A few years ago I had a similar issue with my system and had memory issues > with OCZ and ADATA memory. I figured this out by running memtest86 - a > utility available for free - it's a bootable disk that you run and it does > thorough testing of the memory - if you google it you should be able to > find it rather quick. > > After several attempts to get 'good' memory from OCZ and ADATA I gave up > and bought Corsair memory - all builds I do from now on (for friends/family > etc.) I will only use high-quality Corsair (or equivalent) memory for this > reason. > > The issue 'could' also be with the system board - if you can get your hands > on some memory to test the box - you should be able to determine the > problem pretty quick. The good thing is that the PC3-10666 memory is rather > cheap compared to past memory types. > > I would start with memory first though. Have a great Christmas - and good > luck!! > > Dan > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> My computer died this morning. Over the past week it has been having hard >> lockups where I need to power off and back on to get it to work. >> >> No problem messages of any kind in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog >> when I checked it astre restart. >> >> I did get a bios message once, something about the "dram" setting. Did >> not record it so cannot say amy more about it. >> >> Power supply looks good when plugged into a power judge tester. >> >> system consists of: >> >> ECS A780LM-M2 AMD 760G Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket AM3, AMD 760G >> Chipset, 1800MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA II (3Gb/s), RAID, Radeon HD 3000 >> Graphics, 6-CH Audio, Fast Ethernet LAN, USB 2.0 MPN: A780LM-M2 (10/100) >> >> AMD AD610EHDK42GM Athlon II X4 610e Processor - Quad Core, 2MB L2 Cache, >> 2.40GHz, Socket AM3, 45W, No Fan, OEM MPN: AD610EHDK42GM >> >> Thermaltake CL-P0503 CPU Cooler - 70mm Fan, Rifle Bearing, Socket AM2, >> AM2+, AM3, 754, 939 MPN: CL-P0503 >> >> ADATA Premier Series AD3U1333C4G9-SH 4GB Desktop Memory Module - >> PC3-10666, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM >> >> Diablotek CPA-0170 Diamond ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 400W PSU, >> 2x Int 5.25" x 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x Front USB 2.0 Ports, Black >> MPN: CPA-0170 >> >> Unfortunately I don't have any other machine / parts to swap around to see >> if it will revive. >> >> Any ideas as to what could be the most likely cause / what parts to start >> replacing first? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > From danwiddisii at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 10:41:45 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (danwiddisii at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:41:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: Patrick, They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't mean to be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) try to download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - if no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static electricity can affect parts. If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work out testing with their memory. That might save you some money. Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my current pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to Florida next week :) Good Luck! Dan On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, wrote: > Thank you for the info. I was going to start with the memory first but > will try the corsair instead of the adata. > > Years ago if you pulled the memory from a motherboard and powered it up it > would beep at you. I tried that and no beeps. > > Do today's motherboards still beep if they don't find any memory? > > > > > Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > > Patrick, >> I work for a computer company locally and do a ton of diagnostic and >> repair >> work on a variety of servers, main frame equipment etc. - I say that to >> let >> you know I have a lot of experience as I do this kind of stuff every day >> of >> the week! >> >> A few years ago I had a similar issue with my system and had memory issues >> with OCZ and ADATA memory. I figured this out by running memtest86 - a >> utility available for free - it's a bootable disk that you run and it does >> thorough testing of the memory - if you google it you should be able to >> find it rather quick. >> >> After several attempts to get 'good' memory from OCZ and ADATA I gave up >> and bought Corsair memory - all builds I do from now on (for >> friends/family >> etc.) I will only use high-quality Corsair (or equivalent) memory for this >> reason. >> >> The issue 'could' also be with the system board - if you can get your >> hands >> on some memory to test the box - you should be able to determine the >> problem pretty quick. The good thing is that the PC3-10666 memory is >> rather >> cheap compared to past memory types. >> >> I would start with memory first though. Have a great Christmas - and good >> luck!! >> >> Dan >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM, wrote: >> >> Hello, >>> >>> My computer died this morning. Over the past week it has been having >>> hard >>> lockups where I need to power off and back on to get it to work. >>> >>> No problem messages of any kind in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog >>> when I checked it astre restart. >>> >>> I did get a bios message once, something about the "dram" setting. Did >>> not record it so cannot say amy more about it. >>> >>> Power supply looks good when plugged into a power judge tester. >>> >>> system consists of: >>> >>> ECS A780LM-M2 AMD 760G Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket AM3, AMD 760G >>> Chipset, 1800MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA II (3Gb/s), RAID, Radeon HD 3000 >>> Graphics, 6-CH Audio, Fast Ethernet LAN, USB 2.0 MPN: A780LM-M2 (10/100) >>> >>> AMD AD610EHDK42GM Athlon II X4 610e Processor - Quad Core, 2MB L2 Cache, >>> 2.40GHz, Socket AM3, 45W, No Fan, OEM MPN: AD610EHDK42GM >>> >>> Thermaltake CL-P0503 CPU Cooler - 70mm Fan, Rifle Bearing, Socket AM2, >>> AM2+, AM3, 754, 939 MPN: CL-P0503 >>> >>> ADATA Premier Series AD3U1333C4G9-SH 4GB Desktop Memory Module - >>> PC3-10666, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM >>> >>> Diablotek CPA-0170 Diamond ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 400W PSU, >>> 2x Int 5.25" x 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x Front USB 2.0 Ports, Black >>> MPN: CPA-0170 >>> >>> Unfortunately I don't have any other machine / parts to swap around to >>> see >>> if it will revive. >>> >>> Any ideas as to what could be the most likely cause / what parts to start >>> replacing first? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Patrick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Dec 16 10:55:19 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (patrick at upmerchants.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:55:19 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> I've been doing this kind of stuff myself for over 40 years, but it was mostly ibm 360/370 type equipment. The pc type stuff has just been from about 1999 / 2000 when I started with Caldera linux. You said mainframes also. Are there many sites in GR still running big blue? I did some contract programming at Meijer's in 1997 / 1998. Also forgot to mention that when I power on the computer I get a "No Signal" message on the monitor. So that should mean someting too but I don't know if it is helpful. Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > Patrick, > They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't mean to > be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - > it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. > > If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) try to > download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - if > no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. > > You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while > swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static > electricity can affect parts. > If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work out > testing with their memory. That might save you some money. > Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the > holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. > > Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my current > pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to > Florida next week :) > > Good Luck! > > Dan > > From danwiddisii at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 12:15:51 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (danwiddisii at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:15:51 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: Sounds like a system board. I've seen those exact same issues on various amd/Intel systems. No video is a pretty typical indicator of a bad board. You may want to check the capacitors. Sometimes the old caps leak and cause weird issues. I've been able to bring a board new life by replacing them. If it has the old style capacitors you'll see them peaked on the top sometimes with discoloration. There are still quite a few that have main frames. We work on a wide variety of systems and architectures. Sorry for the bad news. Dan On Dec 16, 2013 10:55 AM, wrote: > I've been doing this kind of stuff myself for over 40 years, but it was > mostly ibm 360/370 type equipment. The pc type stuff has just been from > about 1999 / 2000 when I started with Caldera linux. > > You said mainframes also. Are there many sites in GR still running big > blue? I did some contract programming at Meijer's in 1997 / 1998. > > Also forgot to mention that when I power on the computer I get a "No > Signal" message on the monitor. So that should mean someting too but I > don't know if it is helpful. > > > > > > Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > > Patrick, >> They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't mean >> to >> be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - >> it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. >> >> If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) try to >> download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - if >> no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. >> >> You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while >> swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static >> electricity can affect parts. >> If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work out >> testing with their memory. That might save you some money. >> Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the >> holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. >> >> Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my current >> pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to >> Florida next week :) >> >> Good Luck! >> >> Dan >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Dec 16 13:02:32 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (patrick at upmerchants.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:02:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> I don't really consider it "bad" news, just "inconvient" news. Running off my backup system right now. But will have to get the main system fixed as it funs "everything" for me. Everything being a kvm host to what I play with these days. Am ordering a memory stick from tigerdirect.com today. Really cheap with all the sales going on. Will try the motherboard next if the memory does not fix it. Will see what happens. Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > Sounds like a system board. I've seen those exact same issues on various > amd/Intel systems. No video is a pretty typical indicator of a bad board. > You may want to check the capacitors. Sometimes the old caps leak and > cause weird issues. I've been able to bring a board new life by replacing > them. If it has the old style capacitors you'll see them peaked on the top > sometimes with discoloration. > > There are still quite a few that have main frames. We work on a wide > variety of systems and architectures. > > Sorry for the bad news. > > Dan > On Dec 16, 2013 10:55 AM, wrote: > >> I've been doing this kind of stuff myself for over 40 years, but it was >> mostly ibm 360/370 type equipment. The pc type stuff has just been from >> about 1999 / 2000 when I started with Caldera linux. >> >> You said mainframes also. Are there many sites in GR still running big >> blue? I did some contract programming at Meijer's in 1997 / 1998. >> >> Also forgot to mention that when I power on the computer I get a "No >> Signal" message on the monitor. So that should mean someting too but I >> don't know if it is helpful. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : >> >> Patrick, >>> They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't mean >>> to >>> be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - >>> it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. >>> >>> If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) try to >>> download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - if >>> no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. >>> >>> You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while >>> swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static >>> electricity can affect parts. >>> If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work out >>> testing with their memory. That might save you some money. >>> Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the >>> holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. >>> >>> Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my current >>> pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to >>> Florida next week :) >>> >>> Good Luck! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > From danwiddisii at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 14:30:57 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (danwiddisii at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:30:57 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: Patrick, Sounds good - good luck and have a merry Christmas! Sincerely, Dan On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM, wrote: > I don't really consider it "bad" news, just "inconvient" news. > > Running off my backup system right now. But will have to get the main > system fixed as it funs "everything" for me. Everything being a kvm host > to what I play with these days. > > Am ordering a memory stick from tigerdirect.com today. Really cheap with > all the sales going on. > > Will try the motherboard next if the memory does not fix it. > > Will see what happens. > > > > Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : > > Sounds like a system board. I've seen those exact same issues on various >> amd/Intel systems. No video is a pretty typical indicator of a bad board. >> You may want to check the capacitors. Sometimes the old caps leak and >> cause weird issues. I've been able to bring a board new life by replacing >> them. If it has the old style capacitors you'll see them peaked on the top >> sometimes with discoloration. >> >> There are still quite a few that have main frames. We work on a wide >> variety of systems and architectures. >> >> Sorry for the bad news. >> >> Dan >> On Dec 16, 2013 10:55 AM, wrote: >> >> I've been doing this kind of stuff myself for over 40 years, but it was >>> mostly ibm 360/370 type equipment. The pc type stuff has just been from >>> about 1999 / 2000 when I started with Caldera linux. >>> >>> You said mainframes also. Are there many sites in GR still running big >>> blue? I did some contract programming at Meijer's in 1997 / 1998. >>> >>> Also forgot to mention that when I power on the computer I get a "No >>> Signal" message on the monitor. So that should mean someting too but I >>> don't know if it is helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : >>> >>> Patrick, >>> >>>> They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't mean >>>> to >>>> be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - >>>> it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. >>>> >>>> If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) try >>>> to >>>> download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - >>>> if >>>> no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. >>>> >>>> You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while >>>> swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static >>>> electricity can affect parts. >>>> If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work >>>> out >>>> testing with their memory. That might save you some money. >>>> Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the >>>> holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. >>>> >>>> Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my >>>> current >>>> pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to >>>> Florida next week :) >>>> >>>> Good Luck! >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cprossu at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 20:19:13 2013 From: cprossu at gmail.com (Cprossu) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:19:13 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: I see all the hard stuff has been discussed. Make sure your cmos battery has the correct charge/isn't shorted, I've had ECS boards refuse to post due to that before (it will be a CR2032 lithium button battery on your motherboard between the pcie and pci slots). If it still doesn't boot with a battery swap, try the clear cmos jumper. Like others here I'd check the few electrolytic caps on the motherboard (Actually scratch that, report back of the solid caps that are installed on that board are 'through-hole' or not, I wonder if these are the badly made 'lytics from a while ago that were made to 'look like' solid caps), then swap out the ram, then try another power supply. I'd try a video card too for the heck of it, even if it's an older PCI one. The good news is that if it is your motherboard, you can pick up something fairly cheap (like $55) off of newegg or something (I'd recommend like a Asus M6A78L-M Plus), and if it ends up being your ram, 4gb of kingston ddr3 1333 is currently going for around $30. Either way cheap fix. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, danwiddisii at gmail.com < danwiddisii at gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick, > Sounds good - good luck and have a merry Christmas! > > Sincerely, > Dan > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM, wrote: > >> I don't really consider it "bad" news, just "inconvient" news. >> >> Running off my backup system right now. But will have to get the main >> system fixed as it funs "everything" for me. Everything being a kvm host >> to what I play with these days. >> >> Am ordering a memory stick from tigerdirect.com today. Really cheap >> with all the sales going on. >> >> Will try the motherboard next if the memory does not fix it. >> >> Will see what happens. >> >> >> >> Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : >> >> Sounds like a system board. I've seen those exact same issues on various >>> amd/Intel systems. No video is a pretty typical indicator of a bad board. >>> You may want to check the capacitors. Sometimes the old caps leak and >>> cause weird issues. I've been able to bring a board new life by replacing >>> them. If it has the old style capacitors you'll see them peaked on the >>> top >>> sometimes with discoloration. >>> >>> There are still quite a few that have main frames. We work on a wide >>> variety of systems and architectures. >>> >>> Sorry for the bad news. >>> >>> Dan >>> On Dec 16, 2013 10:55 AM, wrote: >>> >>> I've been doing this kind of stuff myself for over 40 years, but it was >>>> mostly ibm 360/370 type equipment. The pc type stuff has just been from >>>> about 1999 / 2000 when I started with Caldera linux. >>>> >>>> You said mainframes also. Are there many sites in GR still running big >>>> blue? I did some contract programming at Meijer's in 1997 / 1998. >>>> >>>> Also forgot to mention that when I power on the computer I get a "No >>>> Signal" message on the monitor. So that should mean someting too but I >>>> don't know if it is helpful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting "danwiddisii at gmail.com" : >>>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> >>>>> They usually do - however I've seen them not beep as well - I don't >>>>> mean >>>>> to >>>>> be cryptic - but I've seen just about every type of failure out there - >>>>> it's fairly typical to have them not beep on memory errors now days. >>>>> >>>>> If you can get it to power up to post and it crashes - (if you can) >>>>> try to >>>>> download and burn that memtest86 disc and see if it'll boot off that - >>>>> if >>>>> no luck you'll just have to work one thing at a time. >>>>> >>>>> You may want to pick up a static strap (to protect parts/pieces while >>>>> swapping them out) - you'd be amazed at how a small amount of static >>>>> electricity can affect parts. >>>>> If you have a friend with the same type of memory see if you can work >>>>> out >>>>> testing with their memory. That might save you some money. >>>>> Tigerdirect/Newegg have great deals on memory/system boards during the >>>>> holiday's so that may be a good time to upgrade/replace anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully you'll get things worked out. I wish I could help but my >>>>> current >>>>> pc is a little older (not to mentioned packed) since we're moving to >>>>> Florida next week :) >>>>> >>>>> Good Luck! >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Tue Dec 17 10:16:09 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <52B06AB9.9050106@upmerchants.com> On 12/16/2013 08:19 PM, Cprossu wrote: > I see all the hard stuff has been discussed. Make sure your cmos > battery has the correct charge/isn't shorted, I've had ECS boards > refuse to post due to that before (it will be a CR2032 lithium button > battery on your motherboard between the pcie and pci slots). If it > still doesn't boot with a battery swap, try the clear cmos jumper. > Like others here I'd check the few electrolytic caps on the > motherboard (Actually scratch that, report back of the solid caps that > are installed on that board are 'through-hole' or not, I wonder if > these are the badly made 'lytics from a while ago that were made to > 'look like' solid caps), then swap out the ram, then try another power > supply. I'd try a video card too for the heck of it, even if it's an > older PCI one. The good news is that if it is your motherboard, you > can pick up something fairly cheap (like $55) off of newegg or > something (I'd recommend like a Asus M6A78L-M Plus), and if it ends up > being your ram, 4gb of kingston ddr3 1333 is currently going for > around $30. Either way cheap fix. > Was in the computer this morning. Unplugged everything and inspected the motherboard. Did not see anything that looked like bad / leaking capacitors (or anything else). Plugged everything back together and hit the power button. It came on with the following bios message: DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower dram speed. So I don't know what the problem was. Will hope that it doesn't come back. Patrick From jtr at jrichards.org Tue Dec 17 11:29:28 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:29:28 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <52B06AB9.9050106@upmerchants.com> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> <52B06AB9.9050106@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: <20131217162928.GC32179@rondo.celtics> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16:09AM -0500, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > On 12/16/2013 08:19 PM, Cprossu wrote: > >I see all the hard stuff has been discussed. Make sure your cmos > >battery has the correct charge/isn't shorted, I've had ECS boards > >refuse to post due to that before (it will be a CR2032 lithium > >button battery on your motherboard between the pcie and pci > >slots). If it still doesn't boot with a battery swap, try the > >clear cmos jumper. Like others here I'd check the few electrolytic > >caps on the motherboard (Actually scratch that, report back of the > >solid caps that are installed on that board are 'through-hole' or > >not, I wonder if these are the badly made 'lytics from a while ago > >that were made to 'look like' solid caps), then swap out the ram, > >then try another power supply. I'd try a video card too for the > >heck of it, even if it's an older PCI one. The good news is that > >if it is your motherboard, you can pick up something fairly cheap > >(like $55) off of newegg or something (I'd recommend like a Asus > >M6A78L-M Plus), and if it ends up being your ram, 4gb of kingston > >ddr3 1333 is currently going for around $30. Either way cheap fix. > > > > Was in the computer this morning. > > Unplugged everything and inspected the motherboard. Did not see > anything that looked like bad / leaking capacitors (or anything > else). > > Plugged everything back together and hit the power button. > > It came on with the following bios message: > > DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower dram speed. > > So I don't know what the problem was. Will hope that it doesn't come back. A quick search on that error message suggests incorrectly overclocked RAM, bad RAM, or a bad CMOS battery. -- john-thomas ------ In a perfect union the man and woman are like a strung bow. Who is to say whether the string bends the bow, or the bow tightens the string? Cyril Connolly, critic and editor (1903-1974) From cprossu at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 13:50:13 2013 From: cprossu at gmail.com (Cprossu) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:50:13 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: <20131217162928.GC32179@rondo.celtics> References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> <52B06AB9.9050106@upmerchants.com> <20131217162928.GC32179@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: >>[quote] DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower dram speed.[/quote] I've seen that message before with ram that was timed/clocked higher than it would reliably perform stock, it being ADATA cheapie ram that makes me wonder. I'd still make sure your cmos battery is good though, but until you have another issue, happy computing! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16:09AM -0500, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > > > On 12/16/2013 08:19 PM, Cprossu wrote: > > >I see all the hard stuff has been discussed. Make sure your cmos > > >battery has the correct charge/isn't shorted, I've had ECS boards > > >refuse to post due to that before (it will be a CR2032 lithium > > >button battery on your motherboard between the pcie and pci > > >slots). If it still doesn't boot with a battery swap, try the > > >clear cmos jumper. Like others here I'd check the few electrolytic > > >caps on the motherboard (Actually scratch that, report back of the > > >solid caps that are installed on that board are 'through-hole' or > > >not, I wonder if these are the badly made 'lytics from a while ago > > >that were made to 'look like' solid caps), then swap out the ram, > > >then try another power supply. I'd try a video card too for the > > >heck of it, even if it's an older PCI one. The good news is that > > >if it is your motherboard, you can pick up something fairly cheap > > >(like $55) off of newegg or something (I'd recommend like a Asus > > >M6A78L-M Plus), and if it ends up being your ram, 4gb of kingston > > >ddr3 1333 is currently going for around $30. Either way cheap fix. > > > > > > > Was in the computer this morning. > > > > Unplugged everything and inspected the motherboard. Did not see > > anything that looked like bad / leaking capacitors (or anything > > else). > > > > Plugged everything back together and hit the power button. > > > > It came on with the following bios message: > > > > DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower dram speed. > > > > So I don't know what the problem was. Will hope that it doesn't come > back. > > A quick search on that error message suggests incorrectly overclocked > RAM, bad RAM, or a bad CMOS battery. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > In a perfect union the man and woman are like a strung bow. Who is to > say whether the string bends the bow, or the bow tightens the string? > Cyril Connolly, critic and editor (1903-1974) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From knightperson at zuzax.com Wed Dec 18 02:07:52 2013 From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:07:52 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] dead computer In-Reply-To: References: <20131216094800.nejapd1j40gwsw8s@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216102940.ag90i7jggwg8o4w4@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216105519.zsmoahcqpwgwg408@webmail.opentransfer.com> <20131216130232.r4v358gqlw8ogscw@webmail.opentransfer.com> <52B06AB9.9050106@upmerchants.com> <20131217162928.GC32179@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <52B149C8.8090609@zuzax.com> My best guess, based on everything I've seen here, is that the RAM is failing. You could replace it, but that might be throwing good money after bad. It's possible that the existing stuff will run for quite a while yet if you underclock it. On 12/17/2013 01:50 PM, Cprossu wrote: > >>[quote] DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower > dram speed.[/quote] > > > I've seen that message before with ram that was timed/clocked higher > than it would reliably perform stock, it being ADATA cheapie ram that > makes me wonder. > > I'd still make sure your cmos battery is good though, but until you > have another issue, happy computing! > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM, John-Thomas Richards > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16:09AM -0500, Patrick Goupell wrote: > > > > On 12/16/2013 08:19 PM, Cprossu wrote: > > >I see all the hard stuff has been discussed. Make sure your cmos > > >battery has the correct charge/isn't shorted, I've had ECS boards > > >refuse to post due to that before (it will be a CR2032 lithium > > >button battery on your motherboard between the pcie and pci > > >slots). If it still doesn't boot with a battery swap, try the > > >clear cmos jumper. Like others here I'd check the few electrolytic > > >caps on the motherboard (Actually scratch that, report back of the > > >solid caps that are installed on that board are 'through-hole' or > > >not, I wonder if these are the badly made 'lytics from a while ago > > >that were made to 'look like' solid caps), then swap out the ram, > > >then try another power supply. I'd try a video card too for the > > >heck of it, even if it's an older PCI one. The good news is that > > >if it is your motherboard, you can pick up something fairly cheap > > >(like $55) off of newegg or something (I'd recommend like a Asus > > >M6A78L-M Plus), and if it ends up being your ram, 4gb of kingston > > >ddr3 1333 is currently going for around $30. Either way cheap fix. > > > > > > > Was in the computer this morning. > > > > Unplugged everything and inspected the motherboard. Did not see > > anything that looked like bad / leaking capacitors (or anything > > else). > > > > Plugged everything back together and hit the power button. > > > > It came on with the following bios message: > > > > DQS training failed on previous boot. Reverted to slower dram > speed. > > > > So I don't know what the problem was. Will hope that it doesn't > come back. > > A quick search on that error message suggests incorrectly overclocked > RAM, bad RAM, or a bad CMOS battery. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > In a perfect union the man and woman are like a strung bow. 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Lammert) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:29:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, desert frag wrote: > Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of > months. ?Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature > monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert > function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? > You can probably find a bunch, .. but the most fun to have would be a Raspberry Pi with a One-wire sensor. Total cost ~$50 depending on the case you wish to use. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/ ttp://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2013/03/raspberry-pi-1-wire-digital-thermometer-sensor/ Lee From mfarver at mindbent.org Wed Dec 18 09:30:45 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:30:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of > months. Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature > monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert > function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? Just search for "freeze alarms". They are usually telephone dialer based so you'll need a landline or a dedicated cell phone. Menard's carries one or two in the thermostat aisle. Or contract a local alarm company to install a monitored alarm system with a freeze sensor. This will cost a bit more but you'll gain intruder notification. A simple trick for a "digital" temp sensor is to use a thermostat. Buy a 10-20$ thermostat that is battery operated. Wire the heat contacts to +VCC and one of the GPIO pins on a Pi or Arduino. Set it for whatever alarm temp you want it to go off at (55F is usually the lowest.) When it drops below that temp the contact close as the thermostat tries to turn on the "heat" It looks like a Pi has good support for the Dallas One-Wire Temp sensors if you want to know absolute temp: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/ Mark From ptenhoopen at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 10:00:32 2013 From: ptenhoopen at gmail.com (Patrick TenHoopen) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:00:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want. Here's a link to the device anyway: http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of > months. Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature > monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert > function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- END OF LINE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 10:43:28 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:43:28 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've got one of these: http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ Cost about $100 at Lowes. They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. These both use their servers. The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, from when it was still available. I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to measure the outside temperature) http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: > I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is > most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want. Here's a link to the > device anyway: > > http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > >> Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of >> months. Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature >> monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert >> function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > END OF LINE. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwm8351 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 11:51:06 2013 From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have a heated work shop with running water. I have an?Arduino with either net and a temp sensor. I wrote a php program to get the temp from the unit - loaded it into cron so it runs every hour. If the time is 9 ish I get a text to my phone with the temp... If the temp is too high or low I get a text every hour. The unit will also display the temp to a web site if I wanted to double check things. Joe On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: I've got one of these: http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ Cost about $100 at Lowes. They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. These both use their servers. The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, from when it was still available. I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to measure the outside temperature) http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want.? Here's a link to the device anyway: > >http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors > > > > > >On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > >Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of months. ?Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>grlug mailing list >>grlug at grlug.org >>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > >-- >END OF LINE. >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justin.denick at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 11:56:52 2013 From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:56:52 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77623ABA-8A45-4AD2-9DB2-1EA135F5B52D@gmail.com> I was just at the depot and seen some network ready thermostats. Complete with iPhone app and all. http://m.homedepot.com/p/Honeywell-Wi-Fi-7-Day-Programmable-Thermostat-Free-App-RTH6580WF/203556922/ That's the second Home Depot plug for me. It's time to stop improving the house ;-) -j On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > I have a heated work shop with running water. I have an Arduino with either net and a temp sensor. > I wrote a php program to get the temp from the unit - loaded it into cron so it runs every hour. > If the time is 9 ish I get a text to my phone with the temp... If the temp is too high or low I get a text every hour. The unit will also display the temp to a web site if I wanted to double check things. > > Joe > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > I've got one of these: > > http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ > > Cost about $100 at Lowes. > > They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. These both use their servers. > > The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, from when it was still available. > > I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to measure the outside temperature) > > http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ > > This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: > I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want. Here's a link to the device anyway: > > http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of months. 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URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 12:08:13 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:08:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1387386493.3227.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the ideas! I have an extra smartphone laying around ... Galaxy S2. ?None of the app's I've found (so far) seem to support monitoring of ambient temps nor some type of temp probe hardware plug-in to the audio jack. ?? This would be ideal. ?Have you guys run across anything like this? On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:51 AM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: I have a heated work shop with running water. I have an?Arduino with either net and a temp sensor. I wrote a php program to get the temp from the unit - loaded it into cron so it runs every hour. If the time is 9 ish I get a text to my phone with the temp... If the temp is too high or low I get a text every hour. The unit will also display the temp to a web site if I wanted to double check things. Joe On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: I've got one of these: http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ Cost about $100 at Lowes. They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. These both use their servers. The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, from when it was still available. I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to measure the outside temperature) http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want.? Here's a link to the device anyway: > >http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors > > > > > >On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > >Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of months. ?Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>grlug mailing list >>grlug at grlug.org >>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > >-- >END OF LINE. >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert From john at wesorick.com Wed Dec 18 12:16:19 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:16:19 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: <1387386493.3227.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1387385466.79664.YahooMailNeo@web122204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1387386493.3227.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You mean like this? http://thermodo.com/ Most phones don't have an ambient temp sensor built in. The only one I know of is the S4. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to include them, since most of the time the temp would read that of your leg. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:08 PM, desert frag wrote: > Thanks for all the ideas! > > I have an extra smartphone laying around ... Galaxy S2. None of the app's > I've found (so far) seem to support monitoring of ambient temps nor some > type of temp probe hardware plug-in to the audio jack. > > This would be ideal. Have you guys run across anything like this? > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:51 AM, Joseph McLaughlin < > jwm8351 at yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a heated work shop with running water. I have an Arduino with > either net and a temp sensor. > I wrote a php program to get the temp from the unit - loaded it into cron > so it runs every hour. > If the time is 9 ish I get a text to my phone with the temp... If the temp > is too high or low I get a text every hour. The unit will also display the > temp to a web site if I wanted to double check things. > > Joe > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM, Dave Chiodo < > megadave at gmail.com> wrote: > I've got one of these: > > http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ > > Cost about $100 at Lowes. > > They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. > These both use their servers. > > The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current > info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no > longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, > from when it was still available. > > I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to > measure the outside temperature) > > http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ > > This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there > for consideration. > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: > > I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is > most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want. Here's a link to the > device anyway: > > http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: > > Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of > months. Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature > monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert > function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > END OF LINE. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Galaxy S2. ?None of the app's I've found (so far) seem to support monitoring of ambient temps nor some type of temp probe hardware plug-in to the audio jack. ?? > > >This would be ideal. ?Have you guys run across anything like this? > > > >On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:51 AM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote: > >I have a heated work shop with running water. I have an?Arduino with either net and a temp sensor. >I wrote a php program to get the temp from the unit - loaded it into cron so it runs every hour. >If the time is 9 ish I get a text to my phone with the temp... If the temp is too high or low I get a text every hour. The unit will also display the temp to a web site if I wanted to double check things. > > >Joe > > > >On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >I've got one of these: > > >http://www.radiothermostat.com/filtrete/products/3M-50/ > > >Cost about $100 at Lowes. > > >They have an app (iphone and android) as well as a web-based control. These both use their servers. > > >The unit does have an http port that speaks JSON to both query the current info (temp, mode, etc) as well as to set or change stuff, but it is no longer documented. *Somewhere* I have a copy of the documentation for it, from when it was still available. > > >I use it to generate this, along with a usb "TEMPer" thermometer (to measure the outside temperature) > > >http://geek.megadave.net/tstat/ > > > >This is probably complete overkill, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. > > > > > > > >On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Patrick TenHoopen wrote: > >I used one with Nagios many years back for server room monitoring but is most likely too expensive ($500+) for what you want.? Here's a link to the device anyway: >> >>http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors >> >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, desert frag wrote: >> >>Hey guys, I'm going to be gone from the GR metro area for a couple of months. ?Do they make some type of wifi enabled remote temperature monitoring appliance, preferably with some type of text/email alert function, so if the furnace craps out I'm notified? >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>grlug mailing list >>>grlug at grlug.org >>>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >>-- >>END OF LINE. >>_______________________________________________ >>grlug mailing list >>grlug at grlug.org >>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Dec 18 14:16:01 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] remote temperature monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <1387375646.58273.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1387394161.2488.1.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 09:30 -0500, Mark Farver wrote: > A simple trick for a "digital" temp sensor is to use a thermostat. > Buy a 10-20$ thermostat that is battery operated. Wire the heat > contacts to +VCC and one of the GPIO pins on a Pi or Arduino. Set it > for whatever alarm temp you want it to go off at (55F is usually the > lowest.) When it drops below that temp the contact close as the > thermostat tries to turn on the "heat" > It looks like a Pi has good support for the Dallas One-Wire Temp > sensors if you want to know absolute temp: > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/ Finally a real-world practical use for a Pi! This it the first one I have ever seen. This is a great idea as our experience with commercial environmental monitoring devices has been less than stellar. I'd be very happy to having something that just chugged poll results into syslog; if it could generate an SNMP trap that would be extra awesome. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From greg at gregfolkert.net Wed Dec 18 14:49:20 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:49:20 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fedora 19 gray screen In-Reply-To: <8BD52D8C-D266-48C6-BA9A-5C2E66B43EB7@me.com> References: <8BD52D8C-D266-48C6-BA9A-5C2E66B43EB7@me.com> Message-ID: <1387396160.23096.6.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:13 -0500, Robert Youngs Jr wrote: > I have a lower spec machine that definitely meets Fedora 19's > requirements, but I keep getting this gray screen after I try to > login. The other thing is that it may not even boot after selection > from GRUB. Any thoughts? My race car definitely meets the lower spec for NASCAR racing... how come my car never is able to keep up with the other cars nor win any races? Or Doctor, it hurts when I eat some food. Can you tell me why? In other words Robert, we need to know the specs of the machine and what video card, amount of memory, type of hard drive setup (dual boot, only linux, LiveCD... etc) and does it do it from a COLD boot... or is it after a Warm boot from Windows... or any many various other pieces of info that could be pertinent. Like how did you install/run Linux on the machine. So spill it. Then we can help you. Otherwise, it's a shot in the dark. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Be who you are and be that well." -- Saint Francis de Sales -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:13 -0500, Robert Youngs Jr wrote: >> I have a lower spec machine that definitely meets Fedora 19's >> requirements, but I keep getting this gray screen after I try to >> login. The other thing is that it may not even boot after selection >> from GRUB. Any thoughts? > > My race car definitely meets the lower spec for NASCAR racing... how > come my car never is able to keep up with the other cars nor win any > races? > > Or > > Doctor, it hurts when I eat some food. Can you tell me why? > > In other words Robert, we need to know the specs of the machine and what > video card, amount of memory, type of hard drive setup (dual boot, only > linux, LiveCD... etc) and does it do it from a COLD boot... or is it > after a Warm boot from Windows... or any many various other pieces of > info that could be pertinent. Like how did you install/run Linux on the > machine. > > So spill it. Then we can help you. Otherwise, it's a shot in the dark. > -- > greg at gregfolkert.net > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C > "Be who you are and be that well." > -- Saint Francis de Sales > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From patrick at upmerchants.com Wed Dec 18 15:39:01 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:39:01 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Fedora 19 gray screen In-Reply-To: References: <8BD52D8C-D266-48C6-BA9A-5C2E66B43EB7@me.com> <1387396160.23096.6.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <52B207E5.2040901@upmerchants.com> Is this the first boot after install or have you been able to login successfully in the past? On 12/18/2013 03:03 PM, Robert Youngs, Jr. wrote: > The machine is an older Dell Dimension with: > 2 GHz Celeron processor > 2 GB RAM > ATI Radeon 128 MB video display > 150 GB SATA HDD > > This is a machine intended for dual boot and Windows 7 is already installed. > Ubuntu 10.04 has been previously installed on the machine. > > I installed Fedora from DVD and installation went fine. > > The symptoms are from cold boots. Fedora either does not boot > at all or hangs at a blank, gray screen after login is attempted. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: > >> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:13 -0500, Robert Youngs Jr wrote: >>> I have a lower spec machine that definitely meets Fedora 19's >>> requirements, but I keep getting this gray screen after I try to >>> login. The other thing is that it may not even boot after selection >>> from GRUB. Any thoughts? >> My race car definitely meets the lower spec for NASCAR racing... how >> come my car never is able to keep up with the other cars nor win any >> races? >> >> Or >> >> Doctor, it hurts when I eat some food. Can you tell me why? >> >> In other words Robert, we need to know the specs of the machine and what >> video card, amount of memory, type of hard drive setup (dual boot, only >> linux, LiveCD... etc) and does it do it from a COLD boot... or is it >> after a Warm boot from Windows... or any many various other pieces of >> info that could be pertinent. Like how did you install/run Linux on the >> machine. >> >> So spill it. Then we can help you. Otherwise, it's a shot in the dark. >> -- >> greg at gregfolkert.net >> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 >> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C >> "Be who you are and be that well." >> -- Saint Francis de Sales >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com From patrick at upmerchants.com Fri Dec 20 11:10:16 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:10:16 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Spotify Message-ID: <52B46BE8.1000105@upmerchants.com> Anyone running spotify on linux? I had an xp vm so I registered for a free spotify account to see what it was like. Liked the song selections so I did a search for "spotify linux client" and found this page http://news.spotify.com/us/2010/07/12/linux/ that led me to this page https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/. The first page says a linux client is available to premium and unlimited subscribers but I read on some blog post (cannot find it right now) that the linux client also runs on a free account. The spotify client is for debian squeeze. I am running debian wheezy but I added the spotify repository to my apt sources list and did an update and then install spotify-client. Failed to install on a missing libssl0.9.8. So I temporarily added the debian squeeze repository to my ap sources list and installed libssl0.9.8. the spotify client then configured. Found the spotify player client in the multimedia section and gave it a click. The program started and I logged into my free account created under windows. Everything showed up and I can now listen to spotify ad free without having to run a windows vm for spotify. -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 11:30:22 2013 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:30:22 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Spotify In-Reply-To: <52B46BE8.1000105@upmerchants.com> References: <52B46BE8.1000105@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: Patrick, I used to run Spotify, but it got unstable for me and I didn't care enough to troubleshoot it. Many of the 'apps' inside spotify run poorly or cause the spotify app to crash. It seems like they worked on it for a while and then shelved it. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Goupell wrote: > Anyone running spotify on linux? > > I had an xp vm so I registered for a free spotify account to see what it > was like. Liked the song selections so I did a search for "spotify linux > client" and found this page http://news.spotify.com/us/2010/07/12/linux/that led me to this page > https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/. > > The first page says a linux client is available to premium and unlimited > subscribers but I read on some blog post (cannot find it right now) that > the linux client also runs on a free account. > > The spotify client is for debian squeeze. I am running debian wheezy but > I added the spotify repository to my apt sources list and did an update and > then install spotify-client. > > Failed to install on a missing libssl0.9.8. > > So I temporarily added the debian squeeze repository to my ap sources list > and installed libssl0.9.8. the spotify client then configured. > > Found the spotify player client in the multimedia section and gave it a > click. The program started and I logged into my free account created under > windows. Everything showed up and I can now listen to spotify ad free > without having to run a windows vm for spotify. > > -- > Patrick Goupell > > Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ > Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at upmerchants.com Fri Dec 20 11:46:32 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:46:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Spotify In-Reply-To: References: <52B46BE8.1000105@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: <52B47468.3010003@upmerchants.com> Spotify has been putting more effort into linux. The version I am running has not crashed once. I also do NOT get any ads with my free spotify account. They released version 0.9.4, a short blurb is here: http://www.techdrivein.com/2013/10/how-to-install-spotify-in-ubuntu-linux.html On 12/20/2013 11:30 AM, Roger Roelofs wrote: > Patrick, > > I used to run Spotify, but it got unstable for me and I didn't care > enough to troubleshoot it. Many of the 'apps' inside spotify run > poorly or cause the spotify app to crash. It seems like they worked > on it for a while and then shelved it. > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Goupell > > wrote: > > Anyone running spotify on linux? > > I had an xp vm so I registered for a free spotify account to see > what it was like. Liked the song selections so I did a search for > "spotify linux client" and found this page > http://news.spotify.com/us/2010/07/12/linux/ that led me to this > page https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/. > > The first page says a linux client is available to premium and > unlimited subscribers but I read on some blog post (cannot find it > right now) that the linux client also runs on a free account. > > The spotify client is for debian squeeze. I am running debian > wheezy but I added the spotify repository to my apt sources list > and did an update and then install spotify-client. > > Failed to install on a missing libssl0.9.8. > > So I temporarily added the debian squeeze repository to my ap > sources list and installed libssl0.9.8. the spotify client then > configured. > > Found the spotify player client in the multimedia section and gave > it a click. The program started and I logged into my free account > created under windows. Everything showed up and I can now listen > to spotify ad free without having to run a windows vm for spotify. > > -- > Patrick Goupell > > Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ > Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Roger > > Roger Roelofs > Know what you value. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.whatistaxed.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From topher at codeventure.net Sun Dec 22 18:49:54 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:49:54 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] mounting stuff Message-ID: <52B77AA2.5030201@codeventure.net> I have a 1tb drive that I've been dual booting for years now. Today I put in an SSD and put Arch on it. I used os-prober to help GRUB find my windows partition on the other drive, which it did just fine, so I'm dual again. I want to use my Linux partition on the 1tb drive as /home on the new filesystem. Can I just that up in fstab and have it magically work? So that when I add a new user it makes that user's dir on the platter drive? Related, for now, how would I edit GRUB so that I could boot Linux from the ssd OR the platter drive? My grub editing skilz are sad. :( Topher From greg at gregfolkert.net Sun Dec 22 19:12:53 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:12:53 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] mounting stuff In-Reply-To: <52B77AA2.5030201@codeventure.net> References: <52B77AA2.5030201@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <1387757573.4659.4.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 18:49 -0500, Topher wrote: > I have a 1tb drive that I've been dual booting for years now. > > Today I put in an SSD and put Arch on it. I used os-prober to help GRUB > find my windows partition on the other drive, which it did just fine, so > I'm dual again. > > I want to use my Linux partition on the 1tb drive as /home on the new > filesystem. Can I just that up in fstab and have it magically work? > > So that when I add a new user it makes that user's dir on the platter drive? > > Related, for now, how would I edit GRUB so that I could boot Linux from > the ssd OR the platter drive? My grub editing skilz are sad. :( Do you have all the stuff off the 1TB drive partitions that are Linux dedicated? If so... remove all the "Linux" partitions off the drive and reallocate/create a new one dedicated for /home After that, yes you can use a separate drive partition for home. IF you are not going to reformat the drive... if your previous "homedir" was on your "root" partition and you are not going to re-allocated it is more difficult, but not out of the question, but it would be more non-standard. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers." -- Voltaire -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I set my personal account's homedir to /home/home/topher Once I'm happy with the setup I'll simply move ~topher on the platter to / and then it'll just be /home -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlK3hjkACgkQgxSgrxn4sRBVVwCeJbT/2XtinR2pB7xZKchgeoxV vSIAoJYXJpr1auOO6GDPW2wzLKEFp+uu =OAgm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Dec 24 09:17:09 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:17:09 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock Message-ID: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> I've got a backup program on a server that includes a mysqldump once a day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script also does rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa (the zarafa attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is also copies the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with that day's date attached. The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is finishing at 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also tries to make the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the next hour. As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script starting over before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents the script from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is freed or just skip that cycle or what? Thanks. From mglaske at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 09:25:27 2013 From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:25:27 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Pretty easy to implement in bash or sh.. The only problem is, if you Crtl-C out of it, you'll have to manually remove the lock file. if [ -f /var/run/script.lock ]; then print "Already running.. Exiting" exit 1 fi date > /var/run/script.lock # put your script here # at the end rm -f /var/run/script.lock On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > I've got a backup program on a server that includes a mysqldump once a > day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script also does > rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa (the zarafa > attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is also copies > the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with that > day's date attached. > > The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is finishing at > 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also tries to make > the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the next hour. > > As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script starting over > before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' > > My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents the script > from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is freed or just > skip that cycle or what? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Tue Dec 24 09:31:47 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:31:47 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <1387895507.2023.52.camel@ericscomputer> Thanks. So since the script started and then exits, cron assumes it has run and just waits till the next time? On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 09:25 -0500, Michael Glaske wrote: > Pretty easy to implement in bash or sh.. The only problem is, if you > Crtl-C out of it, you'll have to manually remove the lock file. > > > if [ -f /var/run/script.lock ]; then > print "Already running.. Exiting" > exit 1 > fi > > > date > /var/run/script.lock > > > # put your script here > > > # at the end > rm -f /var/run/script.lock > > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > I've got a backup program on a server that includes a > mysqldump once a > day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script > also does > rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa > (the zarafa > attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is > also copies > the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with > that > day's date attached. > > The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is > finishing at > 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also > tries to make > the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the > next hour. > > As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script > starting over > before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' > > My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents > the script > from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is > freed or just > skip that cycle or what? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From signals42 at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 15:15:16 2013 From: signals42 at gmail.com (signals42 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:15:16 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?using_flock?= In-Reply-To: References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer>, Message-ID: <52b99cc0.29cfec0a.3620.ffffce02@mx.google.com> Actually, you don't have to manually remove the lock file. See the ?trap? statement in bash: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/use-bash-trap-statement-cleanup-temporary-files http://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide/Trap_statement You can take action when a signal is received, including cleaning up a lock file. It's good practice to use trap to clean up after yourself in scripts. From: Michael Glaske Sent: ?Tuesday?, ?December? ?24?, ?2013 ?9?:?25? ?AM To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. Pretty easy to implement in bash or sh.. The only problem is, if you Crtl-C out of it, you'll have to manually remove the lock file. if [ -f /var/run/script.lock ]; then print "Already running.. Exiting" exit 1 fi date > /var/run/script.lock # put your script here # at the end rm -f /var/run/script.lock On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: I've got a backup program on a server that includes a mysqldump once a day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script also does rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa (the zarafa attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is also copies the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with that day's date attached. The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is finishing at 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also tries to make the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the next hour. As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script starting over before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents the script from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is freed or just skip that cycle or what? Thanks. _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mglaske at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 10:47:50 2013 From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:47:50 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: <1387895507.2023.52.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> <1387895507.2023.52.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <-1314352616741789740@unknownmsgid> Exactly. You can also >> that out to a log file so you can tell what's going on. Trap is a good idea too. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > Thanks. > So since the script started and then exits, cron assumes it has run and > just waits till the next time? > >> On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 09:25 -0500, Michael Glaske wrote: >> Pretty easy to implement in bash or sh.. The only problem is, if you >> Crtl-C out of it, you'll have to manually remove the lock file. >> >> >> if [ -f /var/run/script.lock ]; then >> print "Already running.. Exiting" >> exit 1 >> fi >> >> >> date > /var/run/script.lock >> >> >> # put your script here >> >> >> # at the end >> rm -f /var/run/script.lock >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Eric Beversluis >> wrote: >> I've got a backup program on a server that includes a >> mysqldump once a >> day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script >> also does >> rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa >> (the zarafa >> attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is >> also copies >> the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with >> that >> day's date attached. >> >> The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is >> finishing at >> 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also >> tries to make >> the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the >> next hour. >> >> As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script >> starting over >> before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' >> >> My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents >> the script >> from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is >> freed or just >> skip that cycle or what? >> >> Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 12:30:56 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:30:56 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: Might I humbly suggest - have the mysqldump output to a file with a timestamp instead of overwriting the old one. Eg sysmysqldump-2013-12-24:12:00.sql. (using the current date). The have another script going back and removing older dumps (up to you how many to retain) On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > I've got a backup program on a server that includes a mysqldump once a > day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script also does > rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa (the zarafa > attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is also copies > the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with that > day's date attached. > > The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is finishing at > 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also tries to make > the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the next hour. > > As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script starting over > before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' > > My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents the script > from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is freed or just > skip that cycle or what? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrj at plorb.com Tue Dec 24 12:49:19 2013 From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:49:19 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <20131224174919.GA4572@blorp.plorb.com> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:17:09AM -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I've got a backup program on a server that includes a mysqldump once a > day which overwrites the existing sysmyqldump.sql. The script also does > rsync (of zarafa-backup, the mysqldump, and /var/lib/zarafa (the zarafa > attachments file) to an external hard drive. Once a month is also copies > the sysmysqldump.sql that's on the external HDD to a file with that > day's date attached. > > The cron is set to run every hour. Right now, mysqldump is finishing at > 40 min past the hour (00:40), so I think that when it also tries to make > the copy on the 1st of the month it will run over into the next hour. > > As I understand it, the thing to do to prevent the script starting over > before the old one finishes is to use 'flock.' > > My question is this: How does cron respond if flock prevents the script > from starting at 01:00? Does it start it when the flock is freed or just > skip that cycle or what? Flock can create a blocking lock that pauses execution. If you use flock without any timeouts, it will wait indefinitely until the lock is available. Your script will just sit there idle during that time. When the lock becomes available, it will continue execution. -- Jeff DeFouw From greg at gregfolkert.net Tue Dec 24 22:23:46 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 22:23:46 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] using flock In-Reply-To: References: <1387894629.2023.50.camel@ericscomputer> Message-ID: <1387941826.17496.7.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 12:30 -0500, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Might I humbly suggest - have the mysqldump output to a file with a > timestamp instead of overwriting the old one. > > Eg sysmysqldump-2013-12-24:12:00.sql. (using the current date). > > The have another script going back and removing older dumps (up to you > how many to retain) I use Duplicity and number of iterations and incrementals with a policy of a minimum of 101 days old. I have 28 day rotations of full and then incrementals. It works very slick and can backup to a "location" that i then rsync daily out to rsync.net for geo-redundant replication. I do this for all the mysql dumps and all of the other files I manage. I also can do remotes from other machines through duplicity. Best part is all the backups are fully encrypted automagically before they get replicated out to rysnc.net, so I don't particularly care if someone copies them. And it is PCI DSS v2.X and already (coming real soon now) PCI DSS v3.X compliant... -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "He who has health, has hope; and he who has hope, has everything." -- Thomas Carlyle -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 27 13:41:03 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:41:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS Message-ID: Ran into a problem upgrading the workgroup server here - after upgrade, cupsd is not responding - it returns a "Bad Request" when trying to access the web pateage, and printer services are not running (the daemon does show active, and restarts successfully). cupsdAcceptClient: 12 from 10.0.0.1:631 (IPv4) Connection from 10.0.0.1 now encrypted. cupsdAcceptClient: 13 from 10.0.0.1:631 (IPv4) Connection from 10.0.0.1 now encrypted. cupsdReadClient: 13 GET / HTTP/1.1 cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients and dirty files", busy="Dirty files" cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. Request from "10.0.0.1" using invalid Host: field "marvel.omnitec.net:631" cupsdReadClient: 13 Closing because Keep-Alive disabled Can't find any indication as to why it is refusing a local host, .. was some level of security added to restrict access? cupsd does not complain about the configuration file. Would anyone have a pointer on troubleshooting? TIA! Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Dec 27 13:51:31 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:51:31 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Fri, 2013-12-27 at 12:41 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Ran into a problem upgrading the workgroup server here - after upgrade, > cupsd is not responding - it returns a "Bad Request" when trying to access > the web pateage, and printer services are not running (the daemon does > show active, and restarts successfully). > cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. > Request from "10.0.0.1" using invalid Host: field "marvel.omnitec.net:631" Your CUPS server has an identity crisis. The HTTP header says the job is for "marvel..." but that is not the server it was received by. 1. Edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf 1.1. Add the directive "ServerAlias *" 3. Restart CUPS If that fixes it then take the line back out, fix your hostname, DNS, etc... so that the requests come named for the correct host. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 27 14:09:24 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:09:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. > > Request from "10.0.0.1" using invalid Host: field "marvel.omnitec.net:631" > > Your CUPS server has an identity crisis. The HTTP header says the job > is for "marvel..." but that is not the server it was received by. > Not really, .. 10.0.0.1 was the originating IP for that request, 10.0.0.254 is the CUPS server, marvel. Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 27 15:18:30 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:18:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: References: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > Your CUPS server has an identity crisis. The HTTP header says the job > > is for "marvel..." but that is not the server it was received by. > > > Not really, .. 10.0.0.1 was the originating IP for that request, > 10.0.0.254 is the CUPS server, marvel. > Just for giggles, .. I added: ServerName marvel.omnitec.net ServerAlias 10.0.0.254 alternatively: ServerName marvel.omnitec.net:631 ServerAlias 10.0.0.254:631 No change. Interestingly enough, even with cups running, Yast will not connect either, so there is something fundamentally hosed in the configuration with the 13.1 upgrade. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Lee From greg at gregfolkert.net Fri Dec 27 15:23:13 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:23:13 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: References: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <1388175793.26786.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Fri, 2013-12-27 at 13:09 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Fri, 27 Dec 2013, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > > cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. > > > Request from "10.0.0.1" using invalid Host: field "marvel.omnitec.net:631" > > > > Your CUPS server has an identity crisis. The HTTP header says the job > > is for "marvel..." but that is not the server it was received by. > > > Not really, .. 10.0.0.1 was the originating IP for that request, > 10.0.0.254 is the CUPS server, marvel. Then fix /etc/hosts on the CUPS server to resolve 10.0.0.1 to marvel.omnitec.net. If you are relying on configured host names for everything versus rendezvous/.local auto resolution... then you have to keep on top of this all the time. -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C "Friendship is Love without his wings!" -- Lord Byron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 27 15:29:21 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:29:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: <1388175793.26786.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> References: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1388175793.26786.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: > Then fix /etc/hosts on the CUPS server to resolve 10.0.0.1 to > marvel.omnitec.net. > Ahh, .. why would I add an entry into /etc/hosts with a bogus hostname? 10.0.0.1 = CUPS Client machine trying to print or open the CUPS web page on :631 10.0.0.254 = Borked CUPS Server > If you are relying on configured host names for everything versus > rendezvous/.local auto resolution... then you have to keep on top of > this all the time. > Absolutely no clue what you are describing, .. all hostnames are dns based. Lee From greg at gregfolkert.net Fri Dec 27 15:52:36 2013 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:52:36 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Testing CUPS In-Reply-To: References: <1388170291.9071.2.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1388175793.26786.2.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <1388177556.26786.22.camel@omg.gregfolkert.net> On Fri, 2013-12-27 at 14:29 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > Then fix /etc/hosts on the CUPS server to resolve 10.0.0.1 to > > marvel.omnitec.net. > > > Ahh, .. why would I add an entry into /etc/hosts with a bogus hostname? > > 10.0.0.1 = CUPS Client machine trying to print or open the CUPS web page > on :631 > 10.0.0.254 = Borked CUPS Server > > > If you are relying on configured host names for everything versus > > rendezvous/.local auto resolution... then you have to keep on top of > > this all the time. > > > Absolutely no clue what you are describing, .. all hostnames are dns > based. 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