From richardnienhuis at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 02:03:15 2013 From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 02:03:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] software suggestion - follow up In-Reply-To: <1364785859.83962.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364785859.83962.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wrong URL, your pic is at http://192.210.207.15/pics/snapshot1.png On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:10 PM, desert frag wrote: > Here's my Nginx conf file: > > server { > listen 192.210.207.15:80; > server_name starlight; > > #charset koi8-r; > #access_log /var/log/nginx/log/host.access.log main; > > location / { > root /usr/share/nginx/html; > index index.php index.html index.htm; > } > > error_page 404 /404.html; > > # redirect server error pages to the static page /50x.html > # > error_page 500 502 503 504 /50x.html; > location = /50x.html { > root /usr/share/nginx/html; > } > > # proxy the PHP scripts to Apache listening on 127.0.0.1:80 > # > #location ~ \.php$ { > # proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1; > #} > > # pass the PHP scripts to FastCGI server listening on 127.0.0.1:9000 > > # > location ~ \.php$ { > root /usr/share/nginx/html; > fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000; > fastcgi_index index.php; > fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; > include fastcgi_params; > } > > # deny access to .htaccess files, if Apache's document root > # concurs with nginx's one > # > location ~ /\.ht { > # deny all; > } > } > > > So it appears the document root is /usr/share/nginx/html. > > Next, > > mkdir /usr/share/nginx/html/pics > > then I uploaded a file called snapshot1.png to the pics directory. > > Next, > > chown desertfrag /usr/share/nginx/html/pics. > > I wanted to make sure the server was running so: > > service php-fpm start > service nginx start > service mysql start > > But when I execute http://192.210.207.15/snapshot1.png > > I get a '404 Not Found' > response. > > Any ideas? > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > If you've got the webserver running, ll you need to di is figure out > where its documentroot is. I'm sure that is in its documentation > somewhere. > > I'm not familiar with ngnix, but the typical "default" location is /var/www/ > > SSH into the box, use su/sudo to create a directory within that path. > Call it "pics" (or whatever you want) > > Then chown it to your norml non-root user account (Make one if you > dont have ne) > > Then all you need to do is SCP files into it. > > URL will be http://[your_server_IP]/pics/whatever_the_filename_is.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM, desert frag > wrote: > >* Ok the server side of Linux is a new experience so bear with me.*>**>* I've set up a web site on my VPS: http://192.210.207.15/*>**>* Note it's Ngnix. I think php and mysql were installed.*>**>* http://192.210.207.15/info.php*>**>* Hack away :)*>**>* One suggestion was to use OwnCloud for an image hosting solution. Well,*>* it's a mess with CentOS right now.*>**>* https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/issues/56*>* https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/pull/67*>**>* Since it's a mess I haven't proceeded.*>**>* My original question was:*>**>>* I've been using my new VPS mostly as a linux test bed and to learn more*>>* about it. When I'm at a forum and want to attach a picture to a post I*>>* normally use places like photobucket or imageshack. I would like my new*>>* server to handle this instead. Any suggestions on what to use? We're*>>* talking an occasional need, low activity situation. CentOS x86-64.*>**>* Another suggestion was:*>**>* 'Just set up a simple web server with Nginx or Twisted, and an SSH bookmark*>* to the shared folder. Drag and drop at will.'*>**>* Alright, since it appears Nginx is functioning ok how do I proceed? How are*>* images uploaded to the site? Do directories need to be created on the*>* server? What would be the url of the images if I wanted to point someone to*>* a picture(s)?*>**>* Would appreciate specific step by steps. Thanks.* > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 08:41:32 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 05:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] software suggestion - follow up In-Reply-To: References: <1364785859.83962.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364820092.29455.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hey thanks all. ?Sometimes it's those small oversights which can drive you batty. ? ________________________________ From: Richard Nienhuis To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] software suggestion - follow up Wrong URL, your pic is at?http://192.210.207.15/pics/snapshot1.png On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:10 PM, desert frag wrote: Here's my Nginx conf file: > >server { >listen 192.210.207.15:80; >server_name starlight; > >#charset koi8-r; >#access_log /var/log/nginx/log/host.access.log main; > >location / { >root /usr/share/nginx/html; >index index.php index.html index.htm; >} > >error_page 404 /404.html; > ># redirect server error pages to the static page /50x.html ># >error_page 500 502 503 504 /50x.html; >location = /50x.html { >root /usr/share/nginx/html; >} > ># proxy the PHP scripts to Apache listening on 127.0.0.1:80 ># >#location ~ \.php$ { ># proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1; >#} > ># pass the PHP scripts to FastCGI server listening on 127.0.0.1:9000 ># >location ~ \.php$ { >root /usr/share/nginx/html; >fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000; >fastcgi_index index.php; >fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; >include fastcgi_params; >} > ># deny access to .htaccess files, if Apache's document root ># concurs with nginx's one ># >location ~ /\.ht { ># deny all; >} >} > > >So it appears the document root is /usr/share/nginx/html. > >Next, > >mkdir /usr/share/nginx/html/pics > >then I uploaded a file called snapshot1.png to the pics directory. > >Next, > >chown desertfrag /usr/share/nginx/html/pics. > >I wanted to make sure the server was running so: > >service php-fpm start >service nginx start >service mysql start > >But when I execute http://192.210.207.15/snapshot1.png > >I get a '404 Not Found' response. > >Any ideas? > >---------------------------------------------- > > >If you've got the webserver running, ll you need to di is figure out where its documentroot is. I'm sure that is in its documentation somewhere. I'm not familiar with ngnix, but the typical "default" location is /var/www/ SSH into the box, use su/sudo to create a directory within that path. Call it "pics" (or whatever you want) Then chown it to your norml non-root user account (Make one if you dont have ne) Then all you need to do is SCP files into it. URL will be http://[your_server_IP]/pics/whatever_the_filename_is.jpg > > >------------------------------------------- > > > >?On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM, desert frag wrote: >Ok the server side of Linux is a new experience so bear with me. >>I've set up a web site on my VPS: http://192.210.207.15/ >>Note it's Ngnix. I think php and mysql were installed. >>http://192.210.207.15/info.php >>Hack away :) >>One suggestion was to use OwnCloud for an image hosting solution. Well, >it's a mess with CentOS right now. >>https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/issues/56 >https://github.com/owncloud/documentation/pull/67 >>Since it's a mess I haven't proceeded. >>My original question was: >>>I've been using my new VPS mostly as a linux test bed and to learn more >>about it. When I'm at a forum and want to attach a picture to a post I >>normally use places like photobucket or imageshack. I would like my new >>server to handle this instead. Any suggestions on what to use? We're >>talking an occasional need, low activity situation. CentOS x86-64. >>Another suggestion was: >>'Just set up a simple web server with Nginx or Twisted, and an SSH bookmark >to the shared folder. Drag and drop at will.' >>Alright, since it appears Nginx is functioning ok how do I proceed? How are >images uploaded to the site? Do directories need to be created on the >server? What would be the url of the images if I wanted to point someone to >a picture(s)? >>Would appreciate specific step by steps. Thanks. >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 08:46:07 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:46:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] software suggestion - follow up In-Reply-To: <1364820092.29455.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364785859.83962.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364820092.29455.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, desert frag wrote: > Hey thanks all. Sometimes it's those small oversights which can drive you > batty. > > > Definitely, a second set of eyes always helps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Mon Apr 1 16:33:58 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:33:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?windows-1252?q?GRLUG/GRMaker=92s_Social_Wednesday_April?= =?windows-1252?q?_3rd_=40_The_Warehouse?= Message-ID: Hey All the GRLUG/GRMakers Social starts at 8PM This week!! GRMaker?s Social Wednesday April 3rd @ The Warehouse *8PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* *(We are hosting the GRMobile Dev group from 6-8PM ? If you want to attend the Mobile Dev meeting please register @ http://www.meetup.com/Grand-Rapids-Mobile-Development-Group/)* In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). To keep informed about our meetings please join our Google Group . You can check out our Photostream on Flickr . Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook .Find us on Google+: grmakers We will be making our name tags and will need people to print, cut and laminate. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Mon Apr 1 18:30:12 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:30:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Job Opportunity - Restaurant Manager Message-ID: If I remember correctly someone on these lists has restaurant management experience was looking for a gig. Please reply to me only casey at caseyd.com Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The event is on Thursday, April 11th and goes from 5:30 to 7:00 at the Start Garden space on the corner of Louis St and Ionia Ave, downtown Grand Rapids. **Please RSVP at **Start Garden* *. **Hope to see you there!!* Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The event is on Thursday, April 11th and goes from 5:30 to > 7:00 at the Start Garden space on the corner of Louis St and Ionia Ave, > downtown Grand Rapids. **Please RSVP at **Start Garden* > > *. **Hope to see you there!!* > > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > ca... at grlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Fri Apr 5 09:56:40 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:56:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRMakers Meetup group Message-ID: Hey All, We have a Meetup group for our meetings so please check it out and sign up @ http://www.meetup.com/grmakers/ Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I should have several high quality punchdown tools with 110 bits as well. Home Depot and Lowes both sell keystone style jacks for reasonable prices. (They were more affordable back in the CAT5e day.. the Cat6 stuff is a little higher than I like to pay.) On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > I have a cheap "Test-Um" brand toner you can use whenever. I am Southeast > in Caledonia. > > Mark > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> Well, as it turns out he already has cat5e run to phone jacks in the >> rooms he needs to connect to. >> >> Currently there are only RJ-12 jacks with one pair connected, so I am >> going to look up appropriate snap-in RJ-45's he can get to replace >> those. >> >> What would be really useful would be a tone/probe trace set so we can >> identify each drop, and also verify the lines going to his outside NIU >> since he wants to relocate his DSL modem. Does the LUG (or anyone) >> have one available to borrow? >> >> Also, RJ45 jacks generally come with a cheap plastic 110-style pusher, >> but if anyone had a real punchdown tool with a 110 bit available for >> borrow that would make a much better connection. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:39 PM, desert frag >> wrote: >> > Thanks for the invite but have a prior engagement unfortunately. I've >> been >> > in conversation with Dave Chiodo off list who actually works quite >> close to >> > where I live and would probably let him quarterback this if he's so >> > inclined. Once the details are worked out I'll get back. >> > >> > ps It's amusing to refresh that web site. If it's of any consolation I >> am >> > color neutral on cat cabling :) >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Michael Mol >> > To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in >> greater >> > Grand Rapids, MI area." >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:15 PM >> > >> > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> > >> > I made an offer to look at Steve's house, suggested he come to GRMakers >> > tonight to discuss it. Might I make the same suggestion for you? >> > >> > (Though I'm terrified this might turn into a bikeshedding[1] event...) >> > >> > [1] http://www.bikeshed.com/ >> > >> > On 03/27/2013 12:05 PM, desert frag wrote: >> >> I appreciate all the interest. It's the beer, right? :) >> >> >> >> The patch panel sounds like a good idea ... nothing like doing it >> right. >> >> You're certainly invited to stop over to assess the situation and I >> >> certainly understand the need for flexibility. The basement is part >> >> open, part drywall. I wouldn't mind if we had a smaller group show up. >> >> If larger then its Pabst, not Founders :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Dave Chiodo >> >> *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in >> >> greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:54 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >> >> >> In the past I've run miles of cable in an old >> >> factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, >> >> ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in >> >> the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff >> >> zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) >> >> >> >> I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished >> >> basement, so some ugliness) >> >> >> >> If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, >> >> I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to >> >> terminate to. >> >> >> >> I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. >> >> >> >> And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on >> >> board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping >> >> over each other than pulling cable :P >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag > >> > wrote: >> >>> Existing home, roughly 8 years old. It's a ranch house plus basement >> and >> >>> there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room >> >> in the >> >>> house. >> >>> >> >>> ________________________________ >> >>> From: Dave Chiodo > >> >>> To: desert frag >; >> >> "Mailing List for LUG in greater >> >>> Grand Rapids, MI area." > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM >> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >>> >> >>> This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag > >> > wrote: >> >>>> Ok I'm game. If some of you would like to cable my house as a >> project >> >>>> I'll >> >>>> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, >> conditioned >> >>>> on >> >>>> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver. Else >> I'll >> >>>> contact George. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >>>> From: Steve Romanow > slestak989 at gmail.com>> >> >>>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >> >>>> > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >> >>>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >> >>>> >> >>>> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers >> barter >> >>>> board webapp for needs. >> >>>> >> >>>> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can >> >>>> post >> >>>> and the bartering can begin. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> grlug mailing list >> >>>> grlug at grlug.org >> >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> grlug mailing list >> >>>> grlug at grlug.org >> >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> grlug mailing list >> >>> grlug at grlug.org >> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grlug mailing list >> >> grlug at grlug.org >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grlug mailing list >> > grlug at grlug.org >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<1364398311.51755.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364398841.85967.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364400357.322.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51533758.8000504@gmail.com> <1364409543.58785.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <9AECC4FF-0B84-47B0-A6B9-DC69D7EA26E2@gmail.com> <1365269531.49563.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <32B31DA7-9AA2-4825-8DA1-B54DDFB1CE5D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nothing special on the phone - just a normal web browser. All you need is some sort of camera device and a basic linux box somewhere. I'm using a little spycam that outputs NTSC video and a video-cap board, but a USB webcam can work too I built an enclosure for it out of some PVC pipe and a piece of plexi.. This is the software I'm using: http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome All you need to do to be able to get at it from outside your home network is configure a port-forward in your router. A dynamic DNS setup is useful too. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hey I need Dave to come over to my house and make that happen for my phone. > What's it going to take Dave? > > Regards, > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > > On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:32 PM, desert frag wrote: > > I knew Dave was the guy for the job when he pulled out his LTE smartphone > and displayed real time pictures of his house from his surveillance cam :) > > Brad Becker > > ________________________________ > From: Casey DuBois > To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > > Cc: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater > Grand Rapids, MI area." > Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation > > I have the necessary test / tone gear available for you to use. It is out on > loan today but I expect to have it back on Wednesday. You are welcome to > come to the Wednesday night GRLUG/GRMakers social and pick it up. 6pm till > midnight. > > Regards, > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > > On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> Well, as it turns out he already has cat5e run to phone jacks in the >> rooms he needs to connect to. >> >> Currently there are only RJ-12 jacks with one pair connected, so I am >> going to look up appropriate snap-in RJ-45's he can get to replace >> those. >> >> What would be really useful would be a tone/probe trace set so we can >> identify each drop, and also verify the lines going to his outside NIU >> since he wants to relocate his DSL modem. Does the LUG (or anyone) >> have one available to borrow? >> >> Also, RJ45 jacks generally come with a cheap plastic 110-style pusher, >> but if anyone had a real punchdown tool with a 110 bit available for >> borrow that would make a much better connection. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:39 PM, desert frag wrote: >>> Thanks for the invite but have a prior engagement unfortunately. I've >>> been >>> in conversation with Dave Chiodo off list who actually works quite close >>> to >>> where I live and would probably let him quarterback this if he's so >>> inclined. Once the details are worked out I'll get back. >>> >>> ps It's amusing to refresh that web site. If it's of any consolation I >>> am >>> color neutral on cat cabling :) >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Michael Mol >>> To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater >>> Grand Rapids, MI area." >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:15 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>> >>> I made an offer to look at Steve's house, suggested he come to GRMakers >>> tonight to discuss it. Might I make the same suggestion for you? >>> >>> (Though I'm terrified this might turn into a bikeshedding[1] event...) >>> >>> [1] http://www.bikeshed.com/ >>> >>> On 03/27/2013 12:05 PM, desert frag wrote: >>>> I appreciate all the interest. It's the beer, right? :) >>>> >>>> The patch panel sounds like a good idea ... nothing like doing it right. >>>> You're certainly invited to stop over to assess the situation and I >>>> certainly understand the need for flexibility. The basement is part >>>> open, part drywall. I wouldn't mind if we had a smaller group show up. >>>> If larger then its Pabst, not Founders :) >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Dave Chiodo >>>> *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in >>>> greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:54 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>>> >>>> In the past I've run miles of cable in an old >>>> factory-converted-to-office-building in downtown GR. It was on-demand, >>>> ad-hoc, as different tenants decided to obtain service from the ISP in >>>> the building that I worked for, so it wasn't beautiful - lots of stuff >>>> zip-tied to pipes and conduit or tucked in crevices:) >>>> >>>> I've also run cat5 to various rooms in my own house. (finished >>>> basement, so some ugliness) >>>> >>>> If you are aiming for fully wiring the house for future flexibility, >>>> I'd suggest a patch panel at a central location for everything to >>>> terminate to. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to help, but I'd have to work around my work schedule. >>>> >>>> And to be honest it sounds like there's already plenty of help on >>>> board. I think if 20 people show up there's going to be more tripping >>>> over each other than pulling cable :P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, desert frag >>> > wrote: >>>>> Existing home, roughly 8 years old. It's a ranch house plus basement >>>>> and >>>>> there appears to be cable tv wiring leading to just about every room >>>> in the >>>>> house. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Dave Chiodo > >>>>> To: desert frag >; >>>> "Mailing List for LUG in greater >>>>> Grand Rapids, MI area." > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:36 AM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>>>> >>>>> This for new construction or retrofit in existing house? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag >>> > wrote: >>>>>> Ok I'm game. If some of you would like to cable my house as a project >>>>>> I'll >>>>>> provide the materials & beer, plus contribute $100 to GRLUG, >>>>>> conditioned >>>>>> on >>>>>> having it done by April 30th plus the usual liability waiver. Else >>>>>> I'll >>>>>> contact George. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: Steve Romanow >>>>> > >>>>>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:21 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] cable installation >>>>>> >>>>>> I see a tie in with mike mols tool library idea to have a makers >>>>>> barter >>>>>> board webapp for needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just post I need X and anyone has the desire/time/skill/referral can >>>>>> post >>>>>> and the bartering can begin. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> grlug mailing list >>>>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> grlug mailing list >>>>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grlug mailing list >>>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 11:24:47 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:24:47 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? Message-ID: Ok, I'm in a bind. For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on a Northgate Omnikey/102. I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've got to have a solid click. On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: Function keys keys belong on the left. Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the backspace should be two keys wide. Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can ignore both if the rest is good) Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. For a while there was a company that had bought the company that bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't register the first time. I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working condition, or even better an avant. If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards entirely. From casey at grlug.org Mon Apr 8 11:39:47 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:39:47 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was trying to find a part number for this Keyboard, Dave can you check and reply with this info? I did find a guy that fixes them http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Ok, I'm in a bind. > > For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on > a Northgate Omnikey/102. > > I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've > got to have a solid click. > > On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: > Function keys keys belong on the left. > Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. > The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the > backspace should be two keys wide. > Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can > ignore both if the rest is good) > > Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, > and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are > starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I > type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. > > For a while there was a company that had bought the company that > bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate > long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line > which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to > no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first > came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right > now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and > hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't > register the first time. > > I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working > condition, or even better an avant. > > If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. > > I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on > the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come > up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards > entirely. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 12:11:32 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:11:32 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Back when the first PC came out, I noticed how different the PC keyboard was from the universally-admired IBM Word Processing/Typing keyboard (mostly for these reasons). The Enter key on the PC was a different shape that I expressed as "requires that the right little finger be broken and reset at an angle". I speculated that the PC keyboard was made deliberately hard to use in order not to introduce competition with the well established IBM Word Processing products. Third party manufacturers quickly came out with clones of the WP keyboards that had pretty decent actions (though seldom as nice as the IBM keyboards), forcing IBM to [mostly] improve their keyboards back to the previously expected level. As for the Windows key (and caps lock), I have seldom if ever actually used them on purpose. On my Mac, I have remapped the caps lock key to be another Control key. A friend of mine has made it into cmd-ctrl-alt-shift for some special functions in one of his favorite programs. --Don Ellis On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: ... > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: ... >> On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: >> Function keys keys belong on the left. >> Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. >> The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the >> backspace should be two keys wide. >> Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can >> ignore both if the rest is good) ... From dpembrook66 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 12:15:19 2013 From: dpembrook66 at yahoo.com (David Pembrook) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:15:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> I found a place that repairs them http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ they also have some "refurbs" On 4/8/2013 11:39 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > I was trying to find a part number for this Keyboard, Dave can you > check and reply with this info? > > I did find a guy that fixes them > http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo > wrote: > > Ok, I'm in a bind. > > For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on > a Northgate Omnikey/102. > > I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've > got to have a solid click. > > On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: > Function keys keys belong on the left. > Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. > The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the > backspace should be two keys wide. > Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can > ignore both if the rest is good) > > Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, > and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are > starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I > type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. > > For a while there was a company that had bought the company that > bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate > long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line > which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to > no longer exist. (cvtinc.com ) They were around > $150, and when I first > came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right > now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and > hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't > register the first time. > > I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working > condition, or even better an avant. > > If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. > > I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on > the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come > up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards > entirely. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 8 12:34:54 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:34:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Don Ellis wrote: > As for the Windows key (and caps lock), I have seldom if ever actually > used them on purpose. > On newer Linux flavors, the windows key is quite useful - a quick touch displays an overview of all active desktops, and one can click on a desktp or application ON that desktop to switch. Quite sweet!! *Especially* as it falls right next to the left pinkie, which is the normal action. Lee From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Apr 8 12:47:43 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:47:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <20130408164743.GA5430@rondo.celtics> On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 11:34:54AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Don Ellis wrote: > > > As for the Windows key (and caps lock), I have seldom if ever actually > > used them on purpose. > > > On newer Linux flavors, the windows key is quite useful - a quick touch > displays an overview of all active desktops, and one can click on a desktp > or application ON that desktop to switch. > > Quite sweet!! *Especially* as it falls right next to the left pinkie, > which is the normal action. I've mapped mine to the Compose key so I can type non-ASCII characters (? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?). -- john-thomas ------ What's done to children, they will do to society. Karl A. Menninger, psychiatrist (1893-1990) From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 8 13:04:07 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:04:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? Message-ID: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> We've got a guy who needs to migrate his financial analysis DB from old FoxPro (6.something) (which M$ has killed). One option would be to develop an Access FE and SQL Server (free version) BE. But I'm not clear about where Access is going (are ties to Sharepoint for Access and SQL Server going to be essential? Can Access still be used w/o all that web stuff? Would Access/SQL Server still be a good FE choice 10 years from now so he doesn't have to re-do it again?) Am considering building a LO FE using Base with MySQL. Is it "healthy" enough for him to use, esp if he's no computer whiz? Would he be able to find someone to update/maintain it down the road without too much trouble if we're not available? Does anyone have experience migrating FoxPro to MySQL? Is it reasonably straightforward? Thanks From megadave at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 13:30:48 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:30:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I have Windowmaker configured to use Alt-F1 thru Alt-F10 to switch to the corresponding virtual desktop, mimicing the behaviour of the text console. I generally keep each window to its own virtual desktop in full-screen and flip among them as needed. Thats one of the main reasons I want the function keys where they belong on the left - I can easily hit any of them with my fingers with my left thumb on ALT . Having them at the top is awkward. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Don Ellis wrote: > >> As for the Windows key (and caps lock), I have seldom if ever actually >> used them on purpose. >> > On newer Linux flavors, the windows key is quite useful - a quick touch > displays an overview of all active desktops, and one can click on a desktp > or application ON that desktop to switch. > > Quite sweet!! *Especially* as it falls right next to the left pinkie, > which is the normal action. > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 13:33:08 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:33:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually I'm familiar with that site. I haven't yet gotten comfortable with buying a used one at those prices. And I know he repairs them too, but I'd have to send mine off and be keyboardless in the meantime.. I do appreciate everyone's efforts though. What'd be amazing is if someone had one of these in near new condition that they stuck in a closet or something because they didn't like how it worked. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM, David Pembrook wrote: > I found a place that repairs them > > http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ > > they also have some "refurbs" > > > On 4/8/2013 11:39 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > > I was trying to find a part number for this Keyboard, Dave can you check and > reply with this info? > > I did find a guy that fixes them http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> >> Ok, I'm in a bind. >> >> For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on >> a Northgate Omnikey/102. >> >> I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've >> got to have a solid click. >> >> On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: >> Function keys keys belong on the left. >> Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. >> The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the >> backspace should be two keys wide. >> Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can >> ignore both if the rest is good) >> >> Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, >> and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are >> starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I >> type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. >> >> For a while there was a company that had bought the company that >> bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate >> long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line >> which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to >> no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first >> came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right >> now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and >> hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't >> register the first time. >> >> I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working >> condition, or even better an avant. >> >> If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. >> >> I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on >> the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come >> up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards >> entirely. >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 8 13:54:19 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:54:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> On 04/08/2013 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Ok, I'm in a bind. > > For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on > a Northgate Omnikey/102. > > I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've > got to have a solid click. > > On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: > Function keys keys belong on the left. > Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. > The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the > backspace should be two keys wide. > Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can > ignore both if the rest is good) > > Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, > and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are > starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I > type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. > > For a while there was a company that had bought the company that > bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate > long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line > which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to > no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first > came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right > now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and > hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't > register the first time. > > I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working > condition, or even better an avant. > > If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. > > I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on > the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come > up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards > entirely. > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > I just recently fixed the Ctrl key of a 1991 Focus FK-2001 (which I'm now typing this with) and nursed it back to health. Planning on bringing it to this week's GRLUG meeting since it works just as well with my laptop as my desktop. Your keyboard may be more repairable than you'd think. I'm unfamiliar with that model of keyboard, though - is it buckling spring or a keyswitch-based? - Kyle From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 8 14:07:05 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:07:05 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> On 04/08/2013 01:54 PM, Kyle wrote: > On 04/08/2013 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> Ok, I'm in a bind. >> >> For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on >> a Northgate Omnikey/102. >> >> I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've >> got to have a solid click. >> >> On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: >> Function keys keys belong on the left. >> Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. >> The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the >> backspace should be two keys wide. >> Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can >> ignore both if the rest is good) >> >> Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, >> and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are >> starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I >> type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. >> >> For a while there was a company that had bought the company that >> bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate >> long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line >> which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to >> no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first >> came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right >> now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and >> hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't >> register the first time. >> >> I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working >> condition, or even better an avant. >> >> If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. >> >> I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on >> the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come >> up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards >> entirely. >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > I just recently fixed the Ctrl key of a 1991 Focus FK-2001 (which I'm > now typing this with) and nursed it back to health. Planning on > bringing it to this week's GRLUG meeting since it works just as well > with my laptop as my desktop. Your keyboard may be more repairable than > you'd think. I'm unfamiliar with that model of keyboard, though - is it > buckling spring or a keyswitch-based? > > - Kyle Ah. Found it. ALPS White keyswitch-based. Same as mine. If you can make it this week and you don't mind taking it apart, it's probably repairable. Those are pretty simple switches. - Kyle From casey at grlug.org Mon Apr 8 14:14:23 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:14:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?windows-1252?q?GRLUG/GRMaker=92s_Social_Wednesday_April?= =?windows-1252?q?_10th_=40_The_Warehouse?= Message-ID: GRLUG/GRMaker?s Social Wednesday April 10th @ The Warehouse *6PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). To keep informed about our meetings please join our Google Group . You can check out our Photostream on Flickr . Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook .Find us on Google+: grmakers We will be making our name tags and will need people to print, cut and laminate. http://grmakers.com/2013/04/grmakers-social-wednesday-april-10th-the-warehouse/ Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpembrook66 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 14:31:31 2013 From: dpembrook66 at yahoo.com (David Pembrook) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:31:31 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> Does anyone have any IBM Model M ps2 keyboards pn 1391401 they don't want? My last one died! It met a horrible end with coffee. On 4/8/2013 2:07 PM, Kyle wrote: > On 04/08/2013 01:54 PM, Kyle wrote: >> On 04/08/2013 11:24 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >>> Ok, I'm in a bind. >>> >>> For the last ten years (or more, I've lost count) I've been typing on >>> a Northgate Omnikey/102. >>> >>> I cannot STAND modern keyboard layouts. Nor can I stand "mushy" I've >>> got to have a solid click. >>> >>> On a REAL COMPUTER KEYBOARD: >>> Function keys keys belong on the left. >>> Control belongs to the left of the "A" key. >>> The enter key should be a big L shape taking up two rows, and the >>> backspace should be two keys wide. >>> Caps lock and so-called "windows" keys belong in Hell (but I can >>> ignore both if the rest is good) >>> >>> Unfortunately, its dying. he a key has been problematic for a while, >>> and the o key followed shortly after and now yet more keys are >>> starting to either NOT register, or to sometimes register double. As I >>> type this I am backing up and fixing very frequently. >>> >>> For a while there was a company that had bought the company that >>> bought the company that had bought the patents/designs from northgate >>> long ago, and was making what they called the "Avant Stellar" line >>> which was an updated version of a northgate keyboard, but they seem to >>> no longer exist. (cvtinc.com) They were around $150, and when I first >>> came across them it seemed to high. Then they went up to $200. Right >>> now I'd almost be about willing to spend that much - my fingers and >>> hands are screaming at me from having to pound on keys when they don't >>> register the first time. >>> >>> I REALLY would love to find either a northgate 102 in good working >>> condition, or even better an avant. >>> >>> If anyone has any solid leads I'd appreciate it. >>> >>> I apologize if this comes across kinda ranty, but I hope everyone on >>> the list understands :) Somehow I've got to hold out until they come >>> up with brain/bluetooth interface technology to eliminate keyboards >>> entirely. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> I just recently fixed the Ctrl key of a 1991 Focus FK-2001 (which I'm >> now typing this with) and nursed it back to health. Planning on >> bringing it to this week's GRLUG meeting since it works just as well >> with my laptop as my desktop. Your keyboard may be more repairable than >> you'd think. I'm unfamiliar with that model of keyboard, though - is it >> buckling spring or a keyswitch-based? >> >> - Kyle > Ah. Found it. ALPS White keyswitch-based. Same as mine. If you can > make it this week and you don't mind taking it apart, it's probably > repairable. Those are pretty simple switches. > > - Kyle > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From don.ellis at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 14:56:42 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:56:42 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Contact the guy - maybe he could do a 'hot spare' swap, shipping you a replacement before you ship yours. (Or maybe he could sell you a second keyboard to use while yours is being repaired. Keep it and you have a spare, or maybe second keyboard for another location). --Don Ellis On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Actually I'm familiar with that site. > > I haven't yet gotten comfortable with buying a used one at those prices. > > And I know he repairs them too, but I'd have to send mine off and be > keyboardless in the meantime.. > > I do appreciate everyone's efforts though. What'd be amazing is if > someone had one of these in near new condition that they stuck in a > closet or something because they didn't like how it worked. > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM, David Pembrook wrote: >> I found a place that repairs them >> >> http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ >> >> they also have some "refurbs" >> >> ... From patrick at upmerchants.com Mon Apr 8 15:00:11 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:00:11 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <516313BB.20009@upmerchants.com> Migrating the tables from foxpro to mysql can be done by exporting (File -> Export (I think)) to a text type (or other such file type) file and then importing (or processing) the file into mysql. The major question is what comes after the data is in mysql (or someting else). How is it accessed? How is it manipulated? etc? As a web based app? As a program based App? If you are going to mysql then you should also try to stay away from the access tie in. I am willing to help / provide assistance / direction / answer questions / etc. Just ask what you need. On 04/08/2013 01:04 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > We've got a guy who needs to migrate his financial analysis DB from old > FoxPro (6.something) (which M$ has killed). > > One option would be to develop an Access FE and SQL Server (free > version) BE. But I'm not clear about where Access is going (are ties to > Sharepoint for Access and SQL Server going to be essential? Can Access > still be used w/o all that web stuff? Would Access/SQL Server still be a > good FE choice 10 years from now so he doesn't have to re-do it again?) > > > Am considering building a LO FE using Base with MySQL. Is it "healthy" > enough for him to use, esp if he's no computer whiz? Would he be able to > find someone to update/maintain it down the road without too much > trouble if we're not available? > > Does anyone have experience migrating FoxPro to MySQL? Is it reasonably > straightforward? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 8 15:17:04 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > We've got a guy who needs to migrate his financial analysis DB from old > FoxPro (6.something) (which M$ has killed). > How complicated? Any chance of moving to a standard progeram like QuickBooks? > One option would be to develop an Access FE and SQL Server (free > version) BE. But I'm not clear about where Access is going (are ties to > Sharepoint for Access and SQL Server going to be essential? > That's a question to which there is no firm answer presently. We have been using Access as a development platform for 15 years, however we still have apps on Access 2K [XP], and have updated to Access 07 for newer OSs (e.g. W7). > Can Access still be used w/o all that web stuff? > I would recommend staying with Access 07, however, .. as all the new crap they are adding just pollutes the simplicity of the current system and it's usability as an IDE. The best tools in Access are the table manager, query designer, form designer, and report designer. Anything else is fluff (who wants Sharepoint, anyway !). Access 07 is a big learning curve over previous versions, but once you figure out a few tricks (like hiding the darn Menu bar) it is actually more productive. > Would Access/SQL Server still be a good FE choice 10 years from now so > he doesn't have to re-do it again?) > A better solution would be to go web-based, however there could be issues with complex forms & reports. It would be simpler (and more 'compatible') to use MySQL for the backend; there is a MySQL ODBC connector built for just such operation, and, if you have an old DB (you can import your FoxPro tables into Access, I believe), you can migrate them directly to the backend. > Am considering building a LO FE using Base with MySQL. Is it "healthy" > enough for him to use, esp if he's no computer whiz? Would he be able to > find someone to update/maintain it down the road without too much > trouble if we're not available? > "Base" has matured in recent years, and a lot of the core functionality is now there for doing a lot of simple applications. The major component missing is a scripting language - with Base, it appears that you can assign a macro to form events, but not objects themselves. > Does anyone have experience migrating FoxPro to MySQL? Is it reasonably > straightforward? > *That* is simple - configure the FoxPro app as an ODBC data source and you can pull the data from anywhere else. As far as the application itself, no. If it can be done with simple forms (i.e. CRUD - Create, Report, Update, Delete), Base might be usable; for anything more sophisticated, Access would be better (again, < 07). HTH, Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 8 20:58:08 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:58:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1365469088.1640.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 14:17 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > We've got a guy who needs to migrate his financial analysis DB from old > > FoxPro (6.something) (which M$ has killed). > > > How complicated? Any chance of moving to a standard progeram like > QuickBooks? I haven't seen it yet but my understanding is it's more of a financial advisor/markets-analysis DB. Apparently he also extensively dumps data to Excel and has many macros he uses there. > > > One option would be to develop an Access FE and SQL Server (free > > version) BE. But I'm not clear about where Access is going (are ties to > > Sharepoint for Access and SQL Server going to be essential? > > > That's a question to which there is no firm answer presently. We have been > using Access as a development platform for 15 years, however we still have > apps on Access 2K [XP], and have updated to Access 07 for newer OSs (e.g. > W7). > > > Can Access still be used w/o all that web stuff? > > > I would recommend staying with Access 07, however, .. as all the new crap > they are adding just pollutes the simplicity of the current system and > it's usability as an IDE. > > The best tools in Access are the table manager, query designer, form > designer, and report designer. Anything else is fluff (who wants > Sharepoint, anyway !). > > Access 07 is a big learning curve over previous versions, but once you > figure out a few tricks (like hiding the darn Menu bar) it is actually > more productive. I guess I'd like to know that he'd still be able to count on Access 2007 in 10 years. I recently struggled with a project for a widow whose husband had built an elaborate Access/VBA project but never upgraded from Access 2000. While I was connected with the project we never were able to get it properly upgraded to Access 2010, using an outside firm who specialized in Access/VBA. The reason we "had" to upgrade was that the old system (Access 2000) wouldn't run at all on Win7 64-bit. > > > Would Access/SQL Server still be a good FE choice 10 years from now so > > he doesn't have to re-do it again?) > > > A better solution would be to go web-based, however there could be issues > with complex forms & reports. Yeah--I've looked at Dadabik; and this would give him some remote capabilities if he wanted it (and wanted to mess with DynDNS etc). But he'd also have to maintain XAMPP or something similar, even to use it just on his one box. For you and me that's not an issue, but I'm not sure it's good to lay that on him. > > It would be simpler (and more 'compatible') to use MySQL for the backend; > there is a MySQL ODBC connector built for just such operation, and, if you > have an old DB (you can import your FoxPro tables into Access, I believe), > you can migrate them directly to the backend. -Are you saying to migrate to Access first and then to MySQL? -Are you saying it's better to use Access with MySQL than with SQL Server? > > > Am considering building a LO FE using Base with MySQL. Is it "healthy" > > enough for him to use, esp if he's no computer whiz? Would he be able to > > find someone to update/maintain it down the road without too much > > trouble if we're not available? > > > "Base" has matured in recent years, and a lot of the core functionality is > now there for doing a lot of simple applications. The major component > missing is a scripting language - with Base, it appears that you can > assign a macro to form events, but not objects themselves. So there's no equivalent to the VBA/Access relation in LO Base? > > > Does anyone have experience migrating FoxPro to MySQL? Is it reasonably > > straightforward? > > > *That* is simple - configure the FoxPro app as an ODBC data source and you > can pull the data from anywhere else. > > As far as the application itself, no. If it can be done with simple forms > (i.e. CRUD - Create, Report, Update, Delete), Base might be usable; for > anything more sophisticated, Access would be better (again, < 07). When I read the Base section of LO Getting Started, there are several references to a "Base User Guide." But I haven't been able to find that document. Does anyone know if the reference in "Getting Started" is merely a promissory note? > > HTH, > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 8 21:16:53 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: <1365469088.1640.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1365469088.1640.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I haven't seen it yet but my understanding is it's more of a financial > advisor/markets-analysis DB. > > Apparently he also extensively dumps data to Excel and has many macros > he uses there. > That could be problematic, it is very easy to create very complesx VBA code in Excel that can only be used in Excel. That is one of MS marketing tactics ! > I guess I'd like to know that he'd still be able to count on Access 2007 > in 10 years. I recently struggled with a project for a widow whose > husband had built an elaborate Access/VBA project but never upgraded > from Access 2000. While I was connected with the project we never were > able to get it properly upgraded to Access 2010, using an outside firm > who specialized in Access/VBA. > You will not have *vendor* support, but who needs it? There are tons of forum sites that specialize in Access - just google a problem and you swill see numerous answers. In reality, Access has become more of a community product than some Open Source ones! > The reason we "had" to upgrade was that the old system (Access 2000) > wouldn't run at all on Win7 64-bit. > Yes, that was a major step, the reason we went to '07 in 2010. It is fully backwards compatible however - I update A2K databases all the time (in A3K format) and send them back to XP machines with the A2K runtime (which is free, btw). > -Are you saying to migrate to Access first and then to MySQL? > -Are you saying it's better to use Access with MySQL than with SQL > Server? > No, two different systems. MySQL is a dataqbase - Access is an IDE that happens to have a simple database built-in. You can move your *data* to MySQL fairly simply by creating an ODBC data source from the FoxPro application. Forms and reports will have to be recreated in whatever IDE or webframework that is choosenn. > So there's no equivalent to the VBA/Access relation in LO Base? > Correct. > When I read the Base section of LO Getting Started, there are several > references to a "Base User Guide." But I haven't been able to find that > document. Does anyone know if the reference in "Getting Started" is > merely a promissory note? > Far simpler to create your datasource, create a Base application, and see what you can create. As soon as you run into a question, Google is the best resource. Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 8 21:26:29 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:26:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1365469088.1640.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1365470789.1640.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 20:16 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > I haven't seen it yet but my understanding is it's more of a financial > > advisor/markets-analysis DB. > > > > Apparently he also extensively dumps data to Excel and has many macros > > he uses there. > > > That could be problematic, it is very easy to create very complesx VBA > code in Excel that can only be used in Excel. That is one of MS marketing > tactics ! > > > I guess I'd like to know that he'd still be able to count on Access 2007 > > in 10 years. I recently struggled with a project for a widow whose > > husband had built an elaborate Access/VBA project but never upgraded > > from Access 2000. While I was connected with the project we never were > > able to get it properly upgraded to Access 2010, using an outside firm > > who specialized in Access/VBA. > > > You will not have *vendor* support, but who needs it? There are tons of > forum sites that specialize in Access - just google a problem and you > swill see numerous answers. > > In reality, Access has become more of a community product than some Open > Source ones! > > > The reason we "had" to upgrade was that the old system (Access 2000) > > wouldn't run at all on Win7 64-bit. > > > Yes, that was a major step, the reason we went to '07 in 2010. It is fully > backwards compatible however - I update A2K databases all the time (in A3K > format) and send them back to XP machines with the A2K runtime (which is > free, btw). > > > -Are you saying to migrate to Access first and then to MySQL? > > -Are you saying it's better to use Access with MySQL than with SQL > > Server? > > > No, two different systems. MySQL is a dataqbase - Access is an IDE that > happens to have a simple database built-in. > > You can move your *data* to MySQL fairly simply by creating an ODBC data > source from the FoxPro application. > > Forms and reports will have to be recreated in whatever IDE or > webframework that is choosenn. > > > So there's no equivalent to the VBA/Access relation in LO Base? > > > Correct. > > > When I read the Base section of LO Getting Started, there are several > > references to a "Base User Guide." But I haven't been able to find that > > document. Does anyone know if the reference in "Getting Started" is > > merely a promissory note? > > > Far simpler to create your datasource, create a Base application, and see > what you can create. > > As soon as you run into a question, Google is the best resource. > OK. THanks. I just listened to Jim Dettman, Access MVP, on Experts Exchange podcast. Mostly talked about Access and web app and was not optimistic about that--can't get much beyond cookie-cutter approach and CRUD, he said--no VBA or anything. He didn't say much about the future of Access for desktop front-ends. Re need for 'vendor support' (see above, near top): I'm more concerned that Windows 2020 won't run Access 2007 apps. But maybe that's a contingency I can't control for--and the customer maybe needs to continue to do incremental upgrades. From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 8 22:38:13 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: <1365470789.1640.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1365469088.1640.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1365470789.1640.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > Re need for 'vendor support' (see above, near top): I'm more concerned > that Windows 2020 won't run Access 2007 apps. But maybe that's a > contingency I can't control for--and the customer maybe needs to > continue to do incremental upgrades. > If that's *really* the goal, he needs to bite the bullet and move to a webapp - at least that will be vendor independent, assuming Rails, PHP, or another well supported language. That does make it actually more important to keep updating, however, but if the app is upgraded to keep pace with the underlying framework it should be great in the long run. Of course, another solution I just thought about is to build a XM VM and just run the Foxpro app there forever. Lee From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 9 06:41:04 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:41:04 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Access or Base? In-Reply-To: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1365440647.1656.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1365504064.19303.3.camel@linux-22wg.site> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > We've got a guy who needs to migrate his financial analysis DB from old > FoxPro (6.something) (which M$ has killed). > Am considering building a LO FE using Base with MySQL. Is it "healthy" > enough for him to use, esp if he's no computer whiz? Would he be able to > find someone to update/maintain it down the road without too much > trouble if we're not available? I'm on the LibreOffice mailing list, Base seems to have a pretty active community. I've used it in the past - just using the built-in database, and once using a JDBC driver to connect to Informix - it seemed to work just fine if what you primarily want is a form-builder. > Does anyone have experience migrating FoxPro to MySQL? Is it reasonably > straightforward? I don't suppose that it is much different than any other type of ETL (export-transform-load) type operation. It probably depends on how gnarly your FoxPro database is. I'm not certain I'd pick MySQL; PostgreSQL is more standardsy and the superior trigger, SPL, and constraint support let you automate aware some stuff, keeping it out of your front-end. From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com Tue Apr 9 08:59:16 2013 From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 08:59:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. http://www.pckeyboard.com/ On 4/8/13 2:56 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > Contact the guy - maybe he could do a 'hot spare' swap, shipping you a > replacement before you ship yours. (Or maybe he could sell you a > second keyboard to use while yours is being repaired. Keep it and you > have a spare, or maybe second keyboard for another location). > > --Don Ellis > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> Actually I'm familiar with that site. >> >> I haven't yet gotten comfortable with buying a used one at those prices. >> >> And I know he repairs them too, but I'd have to send mine off and be >> keyboardless in the meantime.. >> >> I do appreciate everyone's efforts though. What'd be amazing is if >> someone had one of these in near new condition that they stuck in a >> closet or something because they didn't like how it worked. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM, David Pembrook wrote: >>> I found a place that repairs them >>> >>> http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/ >>> >>> they also have some "refurbs" >>> >>> > ... > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From matt at zigg.com Tue Apr 9 10:05:49 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:05:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Scherbinski wrote: > For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. > > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ I have a couple of these; one's on my desk at work. I think the buckling-spring switches are unique to the Model M and Unicomp's keyboards. I also have a few old PS/2 Model Ms that I probably should get rid of, since I'm moving away from PS/2. Slowly. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4334 bytes Desc: not available URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 9 10:19:06 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:19:06 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1365517146.1700.6.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:59 -0400, Steven Scherbinski wrote: > For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still > being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ I have a crate of old Model-Ms in my basement, enough to last me the rest of my days... I assume. But these do look very nice. What I miss are the keyboards with additional function keys; like my old DEC keyboard that had 24 "F" keys. You could map key bindings to things without have to use all kinds of modifiers [Shift+Ctrl+...] But that seems to be a thing of the past. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 9 10:21:05 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:21:05 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <1365517146.1700.6.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> <1365517146.1700.6.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <1365517265.1700.7.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 10:19 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:59 -0400, Steven Scherbinski wrote: > > For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still > > being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. > > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ > I have a crate of old Model-Ms in my basement, enough to last me the > rest of my days... I assume. But these do look very nice. > What I miss are the keyboards with additional function keys; like my > old DEC keyboard that had 24 "F" keys. You could map key bindings to > things without have to use all kinds of modifiers [Shift+Ctrl+...] But > that seems to be a thing of the past. Oh! Speak of the devil... I think I just fell in love. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Apr 9 11:46:33 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:46:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have to cast around to find it but I once designed a replacement control board that turned model M PS2 keyboards into USB devices. I kind of lost track of the design when my last model M died. I miss that keyboard.... Doubled my typing spend and annoyed my coworkers enough to get a private office. Mark On Apr 9, 2013 10:05 AM, "Matt Behrens" wrote: > On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Scherbinski < > steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote: > > For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still > being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. > > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ > > > I have a couple of these; one's on my desk at work. I *think* the > buckling-spring switches are unique to the Model M and Unicomp's keyboards. > > I also have a few old PS/2 Model Ms that I probably should get rid of, > since I'm moving away from PS/2. Slowly. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Tue Apr 9 12:10:55 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:10:55 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: FWIW PS/2 to USB adapters arent uncommon. And the model M, while it has a much better feel than other modern crap, still doesn't have the layout I'm seeking. I'm probably going to just end up buying one from the northgate repair guy. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > I have to cast around to find it but I once designed a replacement control > board that turned model M PS2 keyboards into USB devices. I kind of lost > track of the design when my last model M died. > > I miss that keyboard.... Doubled my typing spend and annoyed my coworkers > enough to get a private office. > > Mark > > On Apr 9, 2013 10:05 AM, "Matt Behrens" wrote: >> >> On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Scherbinski >> wrote: >> >> For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still >> being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. >> >> http://www.pckeyboard.com/ >> >> >> I have a couple of these; one's on my desk at work. I think the >> buckling-spring switches are unique to the Model M and Unicomp's keyboards. >> >> I also have a few old PS/2 Model Ms that I probably should get rid of, >> since I'm moving away from PS/2. Slowly. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From matt at zigg.com Tue Apr 9 13:15:44 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:15:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > FWIW PS/2 to USB adapters arent uncommon. They may not be, but I've got a pile of them because they don't necessarily work with various combinations of systems/keyboards/KVMs. This is why I'm phasing out PS/2 ;-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I kind of lost >> track of the design when my last model M died. >> >> I miss that keyboard.... Doubled my typing spend and annoyed my coworkers >> enough to get a private office. >> >> Mark >> >> On Apr 9, 2013 10:05 AM, "Matt Behrens" wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Scherbinski >>> wrote: >>> >>> For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still >>> being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. >>> >>> http://www.pckeyboard.com/ >>> >>> >>> I have a couple of these; one's on my desk at work. I think the >>> buckling-spring switches are unique to the Model M and Unicomp's keyboards. >>> >>> I also have a few old PS/2 Model Ms that I probably should get rid of, >>> since I'm moving away from PS/2. Slowly. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From megadave at gmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:47:44 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:47:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <8033974A-9DBC-4BFE-A9A9-0776C0AA957F@gmail.com> References: <5162ED17.4060407@yahoo.com> <516410A4.4050702@gmail.com> <8033974A-9DBC-4BFE-A9A9-0776C0AA957F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, if I were to buy one, then I could send my current one in for repairs and that would become the spare. And ten years from now someone better have come up with some sort of brain/bluetooth interface to make keyboards irrelevant. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Josh wrote: > I would buy 2. You don't want to be in the situation again 10 years down the road. > > On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> FWIW PS/2 to USB adapters arent uncommon. >> >> And the model M, while it has a much better feel than other modern >> crap, still doesn't have the layout I'm seeking. >> >> I'm probably going to just end up buying one from the northgate repair guy. >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Mark Farver wrote: >>> I have to cast around to find it but I once designed a replacement control >>> board that turned model M PS2 keyboards into USB devices. I kind of lost >>> track of the design when my last model M died. >>> >>> I miss that keyboard.... Doubled my typing spend and annoyed my coworkers >>> enough to get a private office. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2013 10:05 AM, "Matt Behrens" wrote: >>>> >>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Scherbinski >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For an old style mechanical keyboard, the old Model M IBM's are still >>>> being made. I'm not sure how they are different from the Northgate. >>>> >>>> http://www.pckeyboard.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> I have a couple of these; one's on my desk at work. I think the >>>> buckling-spring switches are unique to the Model M and Unicomp's keyboards. >>>> >>>> I also have a few old PS/2 Model Ms that I probably should get rid of, >>>> since I'm moving away from PS/2. Slowly. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 10 13:58:58 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:58:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> On 04/08/2013 02:31 PM, David Pembrook wrote: > Does anyone have any IBM Model M ps2 keyboards pn 1391401 they don't > want? > > My last one died! It met a horrible end with coffee. Replying off-list, but if you've still got the broken one around, I'd give you $5 for it. The challenge of trying to fix it sounds like a lot of fun to me. :) - Kyle From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 10 14:01:57 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:01:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5165A915.9020804@earthlink.net> On 04/10/2013 01:58 PM, Kyle wrote: > On 04/08/2013 02:31 PM, David Pembrook wrote: >> Does anyone have any IBM Model M ps2 keyboards pn 1391401 they don't >> want? >> >> My last one died! It met a horrible end with coffee. > Replying off-list, but if you've still got the broken one around, I'd > give you $5 for it. The challenge of trying to fix it sounds like a lot > of fun to me. :) > > - Kyle Er, trying to reply off-list and failing miserably. Sorry for bothering everyone with this. - Kyle From awilliam at whitemice.org Wed Apr 10 15:16:30 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:16:30 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1365621390.2545.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 13:58 -0400, Kyle wrote: > On 04/08/2013 02:31 PM, David Pembrook wrote: > > Does anyone have any IBM Model M ps2 keyboards pn 1391401 they don't > > want? > > My last one died! It met a horrible end with coffee. > Replying off-list, but if you've still got the broken one around, I'd > give you $5 for it. The challenge of trying to fix it sounds like a lot > of fun to me. :) What??? Mere coffee killed a Model M? No way. Take the cover off, spray it down with a garden hose, let it dry, reassemble. Seriously. Done it. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 15:44:15 2013 From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?GRLUG/GRMaker=E2=80=99s_Social_Wednesday_April_?= =?utf-8?q?10th_=40_The_Warehouse?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are planning on making it out tonight, we need cans of soda. If you'd be so kind to pick up a 12 or 24 pack of cans of your favorite soda, that'd be great. We also have 8-10 more boxes of girl scout cookies left. On Monday, April 8, 2013 2:14:23 PM UTC-4, Casey DuBois wrote: > > GRLUG/GRMaker?s Social Wednesday April 10th @ The Warehouse > > *6PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* > > In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ > Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). > > To keep informed about our meetings please join our Google Group > . > > You can check out our Photostream on Flickr > . > > Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. > Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers > Like us on Facebook .Find > us on Google+: grmakers > We will be making our name tags and will need people to print, cut and > laminate. > > > http://grmakers.com/2013/04/grmakers-social-wednesday-april-10th-the-warehouse/ > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > ca... at grlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 21:21:33 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:21:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. Message-ID: Just a head's up, Comcast double the downstream bandwidth some time today, and upped the upstream bandwidth some as well. Like the Houston, TX, area about 3 weeks ago. That I can see, this wasn't announced, and people will just bump into it when they do a speed test, and-or are tipped off. -- Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 21:30:43 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:30:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine is still sitting the same =( 25/3 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > Just a head's up, Comcast double the downstream > bandwidth some time today, and upped the upstream > bandwidth some as well. Like the Houston, TX, area > about 3 weeks ago. > > That I can see, this wasn't announced, and people > will just bump into it when they do a speed test, > and-or are tipped off. > > -- Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newtoz at mozor.net Wed Apr 10 21:33:00 2013 From: newtoz at mozor.net (Greg Stoike) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been waiting for this for a while knowing it was coming. I just did a reset, but nothing different yet. Maybe they are rolling it out in different areas of the city first. If it helps, I'm on the NE side near Leonard and Plainfield. On Apr 10, 2013 9:21 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > Just a head's up, Comcast double the downstream > bandwidth some time today, and upped the upstream > bandwidth some as well. Like the Houston, TX, area > about 3 weeks ago. > > That I can see, this wasn't announced, and people > will just bump into it when they do a speed test, > and-or are tipped off. > > -- Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 21:34:38 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:34:38 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have a link or source? > > On Apr 10, 2013 9:21 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > >> Just a head's up, Comcast double the downstream >> bandwidth some time today, and upped the upstream >> bandwidth some as well. Like the Houston, TX, area >> about 3 weeks ago. >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 21:36:10 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:36:10 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm on the SE end. The upstream rate is up about 35%. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Greg Stoike wrote: > I've been waiting for this for a while knowing it was coming. I just did > a reset, but nothing different yet. Maybe they are rolling it out in > different areas of the city first. If it helps, I'm on the NE side near > Leonard and Plainfield. > On Apr 10, 2013 9:21 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > >> Just a head's up, Comcast double the downstream >> bandwidth some time today, and upped the upstream >> bandwidth some as well. Like the Houston, TX, area >> about 3 weeks ago. >> >> That I can see, this wasn't announced, and people >> will just bump into it when they do a speed test, >> and-or are tipped off. >> >> -- Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm seeing those speeds or better. - Nic http://nicj.net/ @NicJ On 4/10/2013 9:41 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: > Doing some quick googling, I am seeing reports of this going back 6 > months. I think the 5M I got earlier in the year might be the only > thing I'm getting. Wish I could see something that definitely > included Grand Rapids. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From topher at codeventure.net Wed Apr 10 22:02:02 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:02:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: <5166199A.6070801@codeventure.net> On 04/10/2013 09:59 PM, Nic Jansma wrote: > I live in Cascade Twp, near the Meijer by 28th/I-96. My 50/10 service > got upgraded to 100/20 for the same price in early March. I'm seeing > those speeds or better. > - Nic > http://nicj.net/ > @NicJ > On 4/10/2013 9:41 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: >> Doing some quick googling, I am seeing reports of this going back 6 >> months. I think the 5M I got earlier in the year might be the only >> thing I'm getting. Wish I could see something that definitely >> included Grand Rapids. I'm still at 14/2.5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 22:51:21 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:51:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of East GR next. Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick and dirty to give it a go. -- Bob On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Nic Jansma wrote: > I live in Cascade Twp, near the Meijer by 28th/I-96. My 50/10 service got > upgraded to 100/20 for the same price in early March. I'm seeing those > speeds or better. > > - Nichttp://nicj.net/ > @NicJ > > On 4/10/2013 9:41 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: > > Doing some quick googling, I am seeing reports of this going back 6 > months. I think the 5M I got earlier in the year might be the only thing > I'm getting. Wish I could see something that definitely included Grand > Rapids. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 22:53:27 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:53:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: It might be that Comcast is just letting techies and others bump into it for now. If it makes any kind of announcement, those not getting it will have bent noses, and might start calling..... Frankly, I'm surprised it got to this area so fast after Houston got it. -- Bob On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Nic Jansma wrote: > I live in Cascade Twp, near the Meijer by 28th/I-96. My 50/10 service got > upgraded to 100/20 for the same price in early March. I'm seeing those > speeds or better. > > - Nichttp://nicj.net/ > @NicJ > > On 4/10/2013 9:41 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: > > Doing some quick googling, I am seeing reports of this going back 6 > months. I think the 5M I got earlier in the year might be the only thing > I'm getting. Wish I could see something that definitely included Grand > Rapids. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 22:58:37 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:58:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: I'm seeing "or better" too. Much better on the downstream side. With the monthly byte limit already in place, I think Comcast sees that this costs them little. People won't dramatically change their usage patterns because of the higher speeds, and of course there is not a lot out there that can deliver the higher rates. So for now, I think Comcast mostly cleans up by charging people for bandwidth they cannot entirely use. It's not their fault if people want to pay for bragging rights. In time, services might actually start to make use of the higher rates. More important to me, the bandwidth has been much more reliable lately - i.e., the tests have been quite consistent. -- Bob On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Nic Jansma wrote: > I live in Cascade Twp, near the Meijer by 28th/I-96. My 50/10 service got > upgraded to 100/20 for the same price in early March. I'm seeing those > speeds or better. > > - Nichttp://nicj.net/ > @NicJ > > On 4/10/2013 9:41 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: > > Doing some quick googling, I am seeing reports of this going back 6 > months. I think the 5M I got earlier in the year might be the only thing > I'm getting. Wish I could see something that definitely included Grand > Rapids. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 06:05:43 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:05:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: Rebooted cable modem. Same as yesterday. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > I'm seeing "or better" too. Much better on > the downstream side. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Thu Apr 11 06:16:32 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:16:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1365675392.23664.12.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 21:33 -0400, Greg Stoike wrote: > I've been waiting for this for a while knowing it was coming. I just > did a reset, but nothing different yet. Maybe they are rolling it out > in different areas of the city first. If it helps, I'm on the NE side > near Leonard and Plainfield. FYI, there is now Comcast fiber in that neighborhood, I believe it travels along Plainfield and then turns west down Knapp. There is a termination point at my employer's facility on Ann & Monroe; they ran a new leg of fiber to get to there - so anyone near there should be able to get fiber connectivity without having to pay much in build-out costs [or at least a whole heck of a lot less in build-out costs, it was several miles from the previous junction/end-point]. Comcast fiber is overheard in that area, and the lines are intermittently labeled [says "COMCAST"], whereas AT&T fiber in that neighborhood is all underground [there is AT&T fiber under Ann St]. AT&T fiber services provide OptEMan and support EVCs while Comcast fiber can be provisioned as point-to-point between two facilities and allows for Layer 2 / VLAN tagging. I don't believe there is much overlap or commingling of Comcast residential 'cable' and Comcast fiber services. From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Apr 11 07:07:31 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> Message-ID: <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of > East GR next. It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't cater to the rich; it caters to revenue. > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick > and dirty to give it a go. Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. -- john-thomas ------ The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant and the most rascally individuals of mankind. Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) From pilcheck at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:11:40 2013 From: pilcheck at gmail.com (Dan Pilcheck) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Folks, I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. Subject "Service Announcement" ---- Dear Valued Customer, *Great news!* We've increased your Internet speed! Now we have *doubled the speed* of your Blast!? Internet service, with download speeds up to 50 Mbps and upload speeds up to 10 Mbps. ---- I can tell you that I peak at around 80 down and 30 up. Off of Comcast's network we indeed see 50/10+ on a daily basis. Located around Eastown. We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! Cheers, On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:07 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: > > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it > > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of > > East GR next. > > It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their > connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't cater > to the rich; it caters to revenue. > > > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I > > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so > > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick > > and dirty to give it a go. > > Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant and > the most rascally individuals of mankind. > Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:18:39 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:18:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: They are prob gonna keep me off that list. I'm a bad, bad customer, well exceeding their prescribed "limits". With a family of 5 that streams pretty constantly, 250G/mo goes by pretty quickly. I cannot believe their stat that 96% of users use 10-15G/mo. In this crowd? This is from their data usage FAQ. "While our XFINITY Internet customers had the freedom to use as much as 250 GB per month, their median monthly data usage is currently only 12 to 14 GB per month (or four percent of the allowance) and the allowance impacts just a very small number of customers." On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > Folks, > I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:20:16 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:20:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is anyone in this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Internet service, > with download speeds up to 50 Mbps and upload speeds up to 10 Mbps. > ---- > > I can tell you that I peak at around 80 down and 30 up. > Off of Comcast's network we indeed see 50/10+ on a daily basis. > Located around Eastown. > > We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. > You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. > Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! > > > Cheers, > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:07 AM, John-Thomas Richards > > wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: > > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak > sense it > > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's > left of > > East GR next. > > It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their > connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't > cater > to the rich; it caters to revenue. > > > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or > why. I > > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so > > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was > quick > > and dirty to give it a go. > > Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most > ignorant and > the most rascally individuals of mankind. > Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uhawl1 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:25:19 2013 From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:25:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I run about 10 GB a month, Steve. To run 250GB or more consistently would be considered excessive by any standard consumer load balanced service. Perhaps you should look into their business grade packages for less headache. On Apr 11, 2013 10:20 AM, "Steve Romanow" wrote: > I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is anyone in > this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:25:31 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:25:31 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> Message-ID: Tomato Shibby has beta support for the 3700 On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Nic Jansma wrote: > +1 to all of Dan's sentences. I had a WRT54G that wasn't able to keep > up with the 50/10 speeds (it would peak around 25mbps, and crash > semi-frequently). I purchased a WNDR3700 and it's able to handle the speed > wonderfully. > > I got the same email from Comcast, on the same date. I'm also using the > SB61621. > > - Nichttp://nicj.net/ > @NicJ > > On 4/11/2013 10:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > > Folks, > I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. > > Subject "Service Announcement" > ---- > Dear Valued Customer, > > *Great news!* We've increased your Internet speed! > > Now we have *doubled the speed* of your Blast!? Internet service, > with download speeds up to 50 Mbps and upload speeds up to 10 Mbps. > ---- > > I can tell you that I peak at around 80 down and 30 up. > Off of Comcast's network we indeed see 50/10+ on a daily basis. > Located around Eastown. > > We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. > You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. > Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! > > > Cheers, > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:07 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: >> > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it >> > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of >> > East GR next. >> >> It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their >> connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't cater >> to the rich; it caters to revenue. >> >> > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I >> > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so >> > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick >> > and dirty to give it a go. >> >> Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. >> -- >> john-thomas >> ------ >> The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant >> and >> the most rascally individuals of mankind. >> Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:26:58 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:26:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <1365675392.23664.12.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> References: <1365675392.23664.12.camel@workstation.wmmi.net> Message-ID: http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2013/03/comcast-doubles-internet-speeds-for-many-of-its-houston-customers/ A friend in the Houston area send me this. The piece is dated March 21, and now some of us in the GR area have it already, barely 3 weeks later. The same person spoke with a Corning rep, who said Comcast was running fiber groups in that area, with a combined capacity of 40 Gbps. Now owning NBC, Comcast might be thinking ahead to various video services. In any case, it is apparently doing upgrades here and there. As for commingling, not clear what you mean by that. It is the case the Internet services, including residential, are big money for Comcast. Almost pure profit from what I read. Much different from the "cable" side, where program material costs are going up fast. And Google, with its $70 a month fiber offering in Kansas City, and others, might still be looking for a piece of the action. -- Bob On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 21:33 -0400, Greg Stoike wrote: > > I've been waiting for this for a while knowing it was coming. I just > > did a reset, but nothing different yet. Maybe they are rolling it out > > in different areas of the city first. If it helps, I'm on the NE side > > near Leonard and Plainfield. > > FYI, there is now Comcast fiber in that neighborhood, I believe it > travels along Plainfield and then turns west down Knapp. There is a > termination point at my employer's facility on Ann & Monroe; they ran a > new leg of fiber to get to there - so anyone near there should be able > to get fiber connectivity without having to pay much in build-out costs > [or at least a whole heck of a lot less in build-out costs, it was > several miles from the previous junction/end-point]. Comcast fiber is > overheard in that area, and the lines are intermittently labeled [says > "COMCAST"], whereas AT&T fiber in that neighborhood is all underground > [there is AT&T fiber under Ann St]. AT&T fiber services provide OptEMan > and support EVCs while Comcast fiber can be provisioned as > point-to-point between two facilities and allows for Layer 2 / VLAN > tagging. > > I don't believe there is much overlap or commingling of Comcast > residential 'cable' and Comcast fiber services. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Apr 11 10:30:40 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:30:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <20130411143040.GA22272@rondo.celtics> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20:16AM -0400, Steve Romanow wrote: > I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is anyone in > this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? How do you check? -- john-thomas ------ You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered. Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th US president (1908-1973) From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:32:27 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:32:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <20130411143040.GA22272@rondo.celtics> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <20130411143040.GA22272@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I use the stats available in my tomato router, as well as the data usage chart in my comcast account. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:30 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20:16AM -0400, Steve Romanow wrote: > > I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is anyone in > > this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? > > How do you check? > -- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pilcheck at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:35:19 2013 From: pilcheck at gmail.com (Dan Pilcheck) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:35:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> Message-ID: Steve, we use as much as we can! 4 tech-savvy/gamers/netflixers guys in the house. This is from today: http://i.imgur.com/XnelBK3.png We're off to a slow start this year! This is from last summer http://i.imgur.com/XnelBK3.png I found this under https://customer.comcast.com > My account > My Services > "view details" on the right-hand side. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > Tomato Shibby has beta support for the 3700 > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Nic Jansma wrote: > >> +1 to all of Dan's sentences. I had a WRT54G that wasn't able to keep >> up with the 50/10 speeds (it would peak around 25mbps, and crash >> semi-frequently). I purchased a WNDR3700 and it's able to handle the speed >> wonderfully. >> >> I got the same email from Comcast, on the same date. I'm also using the >> SB61621. >> >> - Nichttp://nicj.net/ >> @NicJ >> >> On 4/11/2013 10:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: >> >> Folks, >> I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. >> >> Subject "Service Announcement" >> ---- >> Dear Valued Customer, >> >> *Great news!* We've increased your Internet speed! >> >> Now we have *doubled the speed* of your Blast!? Internet service, >> with download speeds up to 50 Mbps and upload speeds up to 10 Mbps. >> ---- >> >> I can tell you that I peak at around 80 down and 30 up. >> Off of Comcast's network we indeed see 50/10+ on a daily basis. >> Located around Eastown. >> >> We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. >> You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. >> Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:07 AM, John-Thomas Richards > > wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: >>> > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it >>> > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of >>> > East GR next. >>> >>> It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their >>> connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't cater >>> to the rich; it caters to revenue. >>> >>> > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I >>> > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so >>> > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick >>> > and dirty to give it a go. >>> >>> Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. >>> -- >>> john-thomas >>> ------ >>> The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant >>> and >>> the most rascally individuals of mankind. >>> Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Who is to say that the next step in evolution is not a statistical chance but rather a by-product of our own will? 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In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > Steve, we use as much as we can! 4 tech-savvy/gamers/netflixers guys in > the house. > > This is from today: http://i.imgur.com/XnelBK3.png > We're off to a slow start this year! > This is from last summer http://i.imgur.com/XnelBK3.png > Oops, last summer: http://i.imgur.com/q6VR5.png > > I found this under https://customer.comcast.com > My account > My > Services > "view details" on the right-hand side. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:43:13 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:43:13 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I figure I use 1GB to 2GB a day, including audio streaming, and periodic use of Netflix, which requires 12 Mbps at the highest picture quality - that can eat up bytes pretty fast, but it's not much time per day, or per month even, and of course not always at 12 Mbps. Isn't an additional 1GB, after you use up your allotment, about $1? -- Bob On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is anyone in > this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > >> Steve, we use as much as we can! 4 tech-savvy/gamers/netflixers guys in >> the house. >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slestak989 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:49:24 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:49:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been charged extra. However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:56:58 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:56:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Lacking an actual statistical profile of per customer usage, one only has Comcast's word for it that any byte limits are to throttle the occasional neurotic who, having a 100 Mbps service, wants to keep downloading at that rate 24/7. Or someone who actually uses the service for a multi person business. Most of the services mention something like this, and their reactions to it vary. I think AT&T's monthly byte limit is just 80 Mbps, but at its bit rates, that's not a problem.... :-( On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been > charged extra. > > However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have > recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I > think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. > The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over > that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with > capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. > > I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to > get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All > this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 10:58:16 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:58:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Re not charged extra, perhaps Comcast is trying to find out just what people will use given no constraints? -- Bob On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been > charged extra. > > However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have > recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I > think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. > The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over > that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with > capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. > > I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to > get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All > this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:06:00 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Uhmm, don't Comcast and others offer tiered services for just that reason? Maybe it makes no sense to you, but as I see it keeping your "best" customers, which is the same as those spending the most, happy means you'd give them first access to new and nifty things. Just a guess, and not meant to start a tangent thread. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:07 AM, John-Thomas Richards wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:21PM -0400, Bob Kline wrote: > > OK. Cascade is where the rich people live now, so in a weak sense it > > stands to reason the rollout would start there. Maybe what's left of > > East GR next. > > It makes no sense to start there. Rich people don't pay more for their > connections and Cascade is less densely populated. Comcast doesn't cater > to the rich; it caters to revenue. > > > Otherwise, who can tell what Comcast's rollout schedule is or why. I > > know that I'm quite close to a fiber shelf - or so I was told - so > > maybe they know the line is good for the higher rates and it was quick > > and dirty to give it a go. > > Meh. My Internet speed has long been sufficient. > -- > john-thomas > ------ > The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant and > the most rascally individuals of mankind. > Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> Message-ID: <1365693279.38440.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you haven't used your hdhomerun yet be mindful it splits the signal which can lead to image degradation. ?In my personal experience I get bunch (in fact an amazing) number of OTA channels with a simple indoor leaf antenna taped to the wall. ?Having the hdhomerun in the signal path however degrades most channels to the point they become unrecordable to my htpc. ?I'll be installing an outdoor antenna shortly (how retro!) to boost signal and the funny thing is there's very few companies that even do that any more. ________________________________ From: Steve Romanow To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. I did just get an hdhomerun, so that will help as well since its picking content OTA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pilcheck at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:16:12 2013 From: pilcheck at gmail.com (Dan Pilcheck) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:16:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: I am sure we are not a typical usage profile, but we aren't that abnormal. When I inquired (last summer) no business-class was available for my home, else I'd be there! I am morally opposed to limits, but if I was billed $10/50G over 500G (300G sets the bar too low!) I would likely bite the bullet. No one in the area can match price/performance, unfortunately. (Still throwing pennies in the fountain wishing for Big-G/municipal fiber) On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > Re not charged extra, perhaps Comcast is > trying to find out just what people will use > given no constraints? > > -- Bob > > > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > >> AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been >> charged extra. >> >> However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have >> recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I >> think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. >> The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over >> that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with >> capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. >> >> I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to >> get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All >> this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:28:41 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:28:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <1365693279.38440.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> <1365693279.38440.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lessee, a satellite dish is an antenna..... Pretty common. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, desert frag wrote: > If you haven't used your hdhomerun yet be mindful it splits the signal > which can lead to image degradation. In my personal experience I get bunch > (in fact an amazing) number of OTA channels with a simple indoor leaf > antenna taped to the wall. Having the hdhomerun in the signal path however > degrades most channels to the point they become unrecordable to my htpc. > I'll be installing an outdoor antenna shortly (how retro!) to boost signal > and the funny thing is there's very few companies that even do that any > more. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Steve Romanow > *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." < > grlug at grlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. > > I did just get an hdhomerun, so that will help as well since its picking > content OTA. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desertfrag at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 11:31:57 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> <1365693279.38440.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1365694317.54715.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> We're talking omni directional UHF/VHF reception. ?Getting much less common. ________________________________ From: Bob Kline To: desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. Lessee, a satellite dish is an antenna..... Pretty common. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, desert frag wrote: If you haven't used your hdhomerun yet be mindful it splits the signal which can lead to image degradation. ?In my personal experience I get bunch (in fact an amazing) number of OTA channels with a simple indoor leaf antenna taped to the wall. ?Having the hdhomerun in the signal path however degrades most channels to the point they become unrecordable to my htpc. ?I'll be installing an outdoor antenna shortly (how retro!) to boost signal and the funny thing is there's very few companies that even do that any more. > > > >________________________________ > From: Steve Romanow >To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:43 AM >Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. > > >I did just get an hdhomerun, so that will help as well since its picking content OTA. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >grlug mailing list >grlug at grlug.org >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:37:28 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:37:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Morally opposed?! Companies have to make money - those that stay in business anyway. Give or take an Obama style handout. Of course there are few limits if you pay for what you use. I consider $10/50GB quite fair in the real world, not that I get anywhere near the byte limit as it is. Of course as one wag here put it some time ago, more bandwidth means you just reach the limit sooner. Maybe. I'm guessing that the bandwidth increases won't affect monthly byte usage much at all. It will mostly mean you do what you do somewhat faster. e.g., downloading that 15th version of Linux this month. A DVD version with all the trimmings. Maybe 30 to 45 GB altogether right there. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > I am sure we are not a typical usage profile, but we aren't that abnormal. > When I inquired (last summer) no business-class was available for my home, > else I'd be there! > I am morally opposed to limits, but if I was billed $10/50G over 500G > (300G sets the bar too low!) I would likely bite the bullet. > > No one in the area can match price/performance, unfortunately. > > (Still throwing pennies in the fountain wishing for Big-G/municipal fiber) > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > >> Re not charged extra, perhaps Comcast is >> trying to find out just what people will use >> given no constraints? >> >> -- Bob >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: >> >>> AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been >>> charged extra. >>> >>> However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have >>> recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I >>> think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. >>> The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over >>> that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with >>> capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. >>> >>> I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to >>> get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All >>> this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:43:49 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:43:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <1365694317.54715.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166C6AA.10302@nicj.net> <1365693279.38440.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1365694317.54715.YahooMailNeo@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Satellite frequencies are 12.5 GHz. UHF is basically line of sight, in the 700 to 900 MHz range if I remember correctly, with all the rain fade problems that satellite has. As you suggest, it's retro, and in about the same category as the phone company having to support rotary dials decades after Touch Tone dialing was introduced, because a small number of people stood their ground against "Ma Bell." Video over the air, except for Satellite, is a gov't decision, not a business one, although it might come back in some way for cell phones and other gadgets. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, desert frag wrote: > We're talking omni directional UHF/VHF reception. Getting much less > common. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Kline > *To:* desert frag ; "Mailing List for LUG in > greater Grand Rapids, MI area." > *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:28 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. > > Lessee, a satellite dish is an antenna..... > > Pretty common. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, desert frag wrote: > > If you haven't used your hdhomerun yet be mindful it splits the signal > which can lead to image degradation. In my personal experience I get bunch > (in fact an amazing) number of OTA channels with a simple indoor leaf > antenna taped to the wall. Having the hdhomerun in the signal path however > degrades most channels to the point they become unrecordable to my htpc. > I'll be installing an outdoor antenna shortly (how retro!) to boost signal > and the funny thing is there's very few companies that even do that any > more. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Steve Romanow > *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." < > grlug at grlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. > > I did just get an hdhomerun, so that will help as well since its picking > content OTA. > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Done that too [Model M run through the dishwasher]; it is not an urban legend. Although I usually just pull all the keycaps, put them in a sock, and run them through the washing machine. From jtr at jrichards.org Thu Apr 11 12:26:42 2013 From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:26:42 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <1365697207.2108.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> <1365621390.2545.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <7BA1DA32-062D-4583-B347-952599D22E6F@zigg.com> <1365697207.2108.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: <20130411162642.GA28691@rondo.celtics> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:20:07PM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 12:11 -0400, Matt Behrens wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > What??? Mere coffee killed a Model M? No way. Take the cover off, > > > spray it down with a garden hose, let it dry, reassemble. > > > Seriously. Done it. > > Wow. I always wondered if the dishwasher thing was an urban legend. > > Done that too [Model M run through the dishwasher]; it is not an urban > legend. Although I usually just pull all the keycaps, put them in a > sock, and run them through the washing machine. Disassembled? I have a Model M that has seen better days and could use a good cleaning. -- john-thomas ------ Examinations are formidable even to the best prepared, for the greatest fool may ask more than the wisest man can answer. Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832) From dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 11 13:48:02 2013 From: dontwantspam1 at earthlink.net (Kyle) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:48:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <5166F752.9010306@earthlink.net> On 04/11/2013 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not > been charged extra. > > However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have > recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and > Phoenix I think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an > exodus of users. The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base > rate, and $10/50G over that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, > if there is not an issue with capacity, I dont want to pay for > artificial scarcity. > > I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope > to get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, > xfinity. All this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. https://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/common-questions-excessive-use/ - Kyle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 16:42:57 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:42:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: <5166F752.9010306@earthlink.net> References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <5166F752.9010306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/data-usage-what-are-the-different-plans-launching Looks like a sensible approach to me. More bytes for people who won't use a lot of them, and it still cuts the neurotics off at the knees, beyond which they can buy more bytes. And the allotted bytes somewhat scale with bandwidth, on the off chance you really will use more bytes because your speed is higher. -- Bob On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kyle wrote: > On 04/11/2013 10:49 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > > AFAIK, Comcast suspended extra charges a few years ago. I have not been > charged extra. > > However, if you look at the FAQ in their data usage chart, they have > recently rolled out two plans in different markets (Nashville and Phoenix I > think). I guess they are figuring which doesn't cause an exodus of users. > The Nashville plan looks like its 300G in the base rate, and $10/50G over > that. Which I guess is kinda fair. However, if there is not an issue with > capacity, I dont want to pay for artificial scarcity. > > I kinda see our family as a model consumer the content providers hope to > get. I have paid subscriptions to amazon, netflix, pandora, xfinity. All > this content usage is not in ANY shady traffic. > > > > https://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/common-questions-excessive-use/ > > - Kyle > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 16:51:07 2013 From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers social @ Start Garden next Thursday April 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09f143a5-b356-4181-919e-89a4189b0297@googlegroups.com> Hope to see you there! It starts in 40 minutes, but arrive any time! 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URL: From knightperson at zuzax.com Thu Apr 11 18:04:16 2013 From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:04:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> <20130411143040.GA22272@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <51673360.1010807@zuzax.com> I miss Tomato! I ran it on my old WRT54GS until I started playing with IPv6 and learned that my router didn't have enough memory to run a Tomato distribution that would handle an IPv6 tunnel. But it was a very solid distribution. Solid but not-overly-fancy GUI, and ssh access if you want it. On 04/11/2013 10:32 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > I use the stats available in my tomato router, as well as the data > usage chart in my comcast account. > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:30 AM, John-Thomas Richards > > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:20:16AM -0400, Steve Romanow wrote: > > I realize I read that stat wrong, but my point still stands, is > anyone in > > this crowd at 10-14G/mo? Anyone over 250? 500? > > How do you check? > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From dpembrook66 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 10:07:22 2013 From: dpembrook66 at yahoo.com (David Pembrook) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:07:22 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <1365621390.2545.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> <1365621390.2545.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <5168151A.5060707@yahoo.com> On 4/10/2013 3:16 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 13:58 -0400, Kyle wrote: >> On 04/08/2013 02:31 PM, David Pembrook wrote: >>> Does anyone have any IBM Model M ps2 keyboards pn 1391401 they don't >>> want? >>> My last one died! It met a horrible end with coffee. >> Replying off-list, but if you've still got the broken one around, I'd >> give you $5 for it. The challenge of trying to fix it sounds like a lot >> of fun to me. :) > What??? Mere coffee killed a Model M? No way. Take the cover off, > spray it down with a garden hose, let it dry, reassemble. > > Seriously. Done it. > no, the keys are sending the wrong characters. That sounds more serious. Couldn't hurt it though I guess From dpembrook66 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 10:08:41 2013 From: dpembrook66 at yahoo.com (David Pembrook) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:08:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Old Keyboard? In-Reply-To: <1365697207.2108.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <5163044B.1070006@earthlink.net> <51630749.6080701@earthlink.net> <51630D03.9030204@yahoo.com> <5165A862.80807@earthlink.net> <1365621390.2545.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <7BA1DA32-062D-4583-B347-952599D22E6F@zigg.com> <1365697207.2108.1.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: <51681569.20608@yahoo.com> On 4/11/2013 12:20 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 12:11 -0400, Matt Behrens wrote: >> On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >>> What??? Mere coffee killed a Model M? No way. Take the cover off, >>> spray it down with a garden hose, let it dry, reassemble. >>> Seriously. Done it. >> Wow. I always wondered if the dishwasher thing was an urban legend. > Done that too [Model M run through the dishwasher]; it is not an urban > legend. Although I usually just pull all the keycaps, put them in a > sock, and run them through the washing machine. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug ok, that I could try lol probably turn off the drying cycle.. I'd be afraid of melting it.. From casey at grlug.org Fri Apr 12 16:16:01 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:16:01 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] RAM to share Message-ID: Hey ALL, I have a friend that needs a couple sticks of 1GB PC-2700 333MHZ DIMM 184-PIN CL2.5 NON-ECC DDR SDRAM If you have it please bring to the next Social. THANKS!!! Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 On Apr 13, 2013, at 5:37 AM, David Wise wrote: > If I ever make it to the social, I think I've got a stack I can give out, but unfortunately my track record for getting there still remains a perfect 0. > -- > Dave > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> Hey ALL, >> >> I have a friend that needs a couple sticks of 1GB PC-2700 333MHZ DIMM 184-PIN CL2.5 NON-ECC DDR SDRAM >> If you have it please bring to the next Social. >> >> THANKS!!! >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chouse at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 16:15:27 2013 From: chouse at gmail.com (Christopher House) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:15:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > Folks, > I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. > > Subject "Service Announcement" > ---- > Dear Valued Customer, > > *Great news!* We've increased your Internet speed! > > Now we have *doubled the speed* of your Blast!? Internet service, > with download speeds up to 50 Mbps and upload speeds up to 10 Mbps. > ---- > > I can tell you that I peak at around 80 down and 30 up. > Off of Comcast's network we indeed see 50/10+ on a daily basis. > Located around Eastown. > > We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. > You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. > Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! > > New Comcast subscriber here, I signed up for the 50/10 Blast! service, and currently get 66/11. I too have that "Great news!" note in my bill, so I was thinking I was going to see 100/20 or something, but I do not. Which is fine. Have the SB6121 and ASUS RT-AC66U, so gigabit ports everywhere. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 17:25:17 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:25:17 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: Here in St Louis MO, we've had a couple of outages at odd times, I think the last was about 8am on a Sunday morning. I called customer service; she checked my connection and said I needed to upgrade to a DOCSIS3 modem - that my older modem was no longer usable & was the cause for failure. Then she corrected herself and said there was an outage in my area and asked if I'd like a phone call to notify me when it came back. After about an hour or so, my service came back with a different IP address and a faster connection speed. I think we're getting a fairly consistent 20+Mbps now, and they occasionally upgrade without telling us directly (and price stays the same). I got the phone notification several hours after I was back online... On NPR, I heard that Austin is now being prepared for Google Fiber, and that AT&T has announced service upgrades in response. --Don Ellis On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck wrote: > Folks, > I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. > > Subject "Service Announcement" > ---- > Dear Valued Customer, > > Great news! We've increased your Internet speed! ... > We have a SB6121 modem and a decent router. > You need a DOCSIS3 device if you want to see those speeds. > Also, dump that turn-of-the-century Linksys WRT54G! > > > Cheers, ... From topher at codeventure.net Sat Apr 13 17:45:23 2013 From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:45:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc Message-ID: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> I've been watching the conversation about Comcast and it raised some questions for me. I suck at hardware, so I'm helping ya'll can help. I'm paying about $60/mo for the net part of my comcast bill, and I get about 12 down and 2.5 up. That sounds lower than what I've seen you guys talking about for the price. I'm using the same modem comcast gave me years ago, and I'm guessing a DOCSIS3 modem would help me. What is it, and where could I get one? I'm using a relatively new netgear wifi router, and I'd be reluctant to spend money for something new there unless it's very obviously a horrible bottle neck. Thoughts? Topher From don.ellis at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 18:12:04 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:12:04 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc In-Reply-To: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> References: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> Message-ID: I had heard some time ago that our cable provider (Charter) would require a new DOCSIS3 to be procured through the Cable Company, but I didn't believe it, and would be willing to try buying one and returning it to MicroCenter with a complaint if it turned out to be true. I prefer to own my own equipment these days, contrary to their promise that leasing is better than owning. Haven't had enough failures or other troubles to justify continuing long-term payments on top of the base rates. I have not yet upgraded [most of] my APs - just the main one that I use as a router, which is a relatively new D-Link. The WRT54G I use at the other end of the house doesn't seem to be a bottleneck. For the most part I use hard connections for security reasons. At that end, I seem to not be getting GigaBIt speeds on several links, which I plan to diagnose and see if I can correct. --Don Ellis On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Topher wrote: > I've been watching the conversation about Comcast and it raised some > questions for me. I suck at hardware, so I'm helping ya'll can help. > > I'm paying about $60/mo for the net part of my comcast bill, and I get > about 12 down and 2.5 up. That sounds lower than what I've seen you > guys talking about for the price. > > I'm using the same modem comcast gave me years ago, and I'm guessing a > DOCSIS3 modem would help me. What is it, and where could I get one? > > I'm using a relatively new netgear wifi router, and I'd be reluctant to > spend money for something new there unless it's very obviously a > horrible bottle neck. > > Thoughts? > > Topher From awilliam at whitemice.org Sat Apr 13 18:46:09 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 18:46:09 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Comcast doubles bandwidth at same popular prices. In-Reply-To: References: <516618F5.4090102@nicj.net> <20130411110731.GA9543@rondo.celtics> Message-ID: <502a2f6f-0498-49df-bf8c-59cc3b10a72f@email.android.com> Christopher House wrote >On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Dan Pilcheck >wrote: >> Folks, >> I received this email from Comcast on 03/06/13. >> Subject "Service Announcement" >> ---- >> Dear Valued Customer, >> *Great news!* We've increased your Internet speed! I've got it from an insider that (a) they are doubling network speeds and (b) there are technical difficulties with some of the area's nodes that are delaying the role-out to some neighborhoods, but it is planned for the entire region. -- Adam Tauno Williams From joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 19:51:13 2013 From: joseph.vanderstelt at gmail.com (Joseph VanDerStelt) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:51:13 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc In-Reply-To: References: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> Message-ID: <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> Charter Rep Here! With Charters "new" 30/4Mbps internet package we now require the customer to have a Charter provided DOCSIS 3.0 modem. However, we no longer charge a modem lease fee. The standard rate for the 30Mbps service is 54.99 alone, or 49.99 when bundled with phone or TV. As far as I know the self provisioning will not allow for non-Charter provided modems to be provisioned but I cannot promise that is true. I have seen customer accounts where the MAC ID for the modem we provided was not responding and at deeper look there was a different device/MAC ID provisioned and their internet seemed to be functioning fine. If you do purchase a modem (and assuming your on the new internet package, as the legacy package will allow customer owned modems) let me know if you are able to get it provisioned. On 4/13/2013 6:12 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > I had heard some time ago that our cable provider (Charter) would > require a new DOCSIS3 to be procured through the Cable Company, but I > didn't believe it, and would be willing to try buying one and > returning it to MicroCenter with a complaint if it turned out to be > true. I prefer to own my own equipment these days, contrary to their > promise that leasing is better than owning. Haven't had enough > failures or other troubles to justify continuing long-term payments on > top of the base rates. > > I have not yet upgraded [most of] my APs - just the main one that I > use as a router, which is a relatively new D-Link. The WRT54G I use at > the other end of the house doesn't seem to be a bottleneck. For the > most part I use hard connections for security reasons. At that end, I > seem to not be getting GigaBIt speeds on several links, which I plan > to diagnose and see if I can correct. > > --Don Ellis > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Topher wrote: >> I've been watching the conversation about Comcast and it raised some >> questions for me. I suck at hardware, so I'm helping ya'll can help. >> >> I'm paying about $60/mo for the net part of my comcast bill, and I get >> about 12 down and 2.5 up. That sounds lower than what I've seen you >> guys talking about for the price. >> >> I'm using the same modem comcast gave me years ago, and I'm guessing a >> DOCSIS3 modem would help me. What is it, and where could I get one? >> >> I'm using a relatively new netgear wifi router, and I'd be reluctant to >> spend money for something new there unless it's very obviously a >> horrible bottle neck. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Topher > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From slestak989 at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 20:53:15 2013 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:53:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc In-Reply-To: <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> References: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Comcast replaced my modem for free. I do pay the monthly lease. I think my cable is ~75/mo (everything, taxes and all). I bought an asus rt-53n from amazon for ~50 bucks and it is compatible with Shibby Tomato firmware. 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So here are the important parts -- i will attach the script. mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/kali #Run the debootstrap /usr/sbin/debootstrap --verbose --include=$EXTRA_PACKAGES --arch=$ARCH $RELEASE $ROOT $DEB_MIRROR #Then chroot in to install the kernel .debs mount -t proc proc /tmp/kali/proc mount -o bind /dev/ /tmp/kali/dev/ mount -o bind /dev/pts /tmp/kali/dev/pts #copy the .debs to the device and then run the .deb installer dpkg -i linux-image-3.1.10-pineapplepie_0.1_armel.deb # which ends in this error Running depmod. Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 3.1.10-pineapplepie /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.10-pineapplepie update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.1.10-pineapplepie Warning: root device /dev/root does not exist I think that I get a working vmlinuz-3.1.10-pineapplepie but initrd.img-3.1.10-pineapplepie.new seems to be no good. it should not be a .new that I know of. Any Ideas on where to go next would be great google is just giving me a lot not related problems like your hard drive is missing and other stuff. Thanks Just Josh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leapole at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 13:08:03 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:08:03 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] Warning: root device /dev/root does not exist - From chroot .deb pkg install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Attaching script. This runs on PogoPlug, Seagate Dockstars,GoFlex Net/Home, and I think zytex Nas system. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Josh wrote: > Heya guys, > > I am working on installing my pogo plugs with kali linux and have got to > the point of just needing to install a kernel and create the vmlinux and > initramfs but i am getting this error and not really finding much. Here is > some background on the situation. > > The Device boots a micro sized debian linux. Then I add a usb stick for > the root filesystem. Using a script I made it mounts, and starts a > debootstrap of Kali linux. Problem is that no kernel shows up that I know > of. So I copy over a .deb of a working kernel and the headers, That I made > for prior installs wheezy, ( it works on wheezy ). So here are the > important parts -- i will attach the script. > > mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/kali > > #Run the debootstrap > > /usr/sbin/debootstrap --verbose --include=$EXTRA_PACKAGES --arch=$ARCH > $RELEASE $ROOT $DEB_MIRROR > > #Then chroot in to install the kernel .debs > > mount -t proc proc /tmp/kali/proc > mount -o bind /dev/ /tmp/kali/dev/ > mount -o bind /dev/pts /tmp/kali/dev/pts > > #copy the .debs to the device and then run the .deb installer > > dpkg -i linux-image-3.1.10-pineapplepie_0.1_armel.deb > > # which ends in this error > > Running depmod. > Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. > run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools > 3.1.10-pineapplepie /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.10-pineapplepie > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.1.10-pineapplepie > Warning: root device /dev/root does not exist > > I think that I get a working vmlinuz-3.1.10-pineapplepie > > but initrd.img-3.1.10-pineapplepie.new seems to be no good. it should not > be a .new that I know of. > > Any Ideas on where to go next would be great google is just giving me a > lot not related problems like your hard drive is missing and other stuff. > > Thanks > > Just Josh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From leapole at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 13:54:20 2013 From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:54:20 -0700 Subject: [GRLUG] Warning: root device /dev/root does not exist - From chroot .deb pkg install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this error is from trying to install a kernel .deb package, to a chrooted environment. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Tim Schmidt wrote: > I got a very similar error recently, while attaching a usb hard drive > to an OpenWRT wireless router. Turned out i needed to install the > kernel module for the ext4 filesystem (kmod-fs-ext4 on OpenWRT). It > was odd indeed to bee able to stat /dev/sdb2 but still get "device > doesn't exist" when attempting to mount it. > > Maybe you're running into something similar? > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It >> was odd indeed to bee able to stat /dev/sdb2 but still get "device >> doesn't exist" when attempting to mount it. >> >> Maybe you're running into something similar? >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidn.wise at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 11:53:53 2013 From: davidn.wise at gmail.com (David Wise) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:53:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] RAM to share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not about the desire to make it. It's about the time. I keep an eye on the socials, I just haven't been available yet. Plus, I'm still a complete N00b so I'm intimidated by all you cool people. -- Dave On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hey Dave, wouldn't the satisfaction from helping others by sharing your > ram be enough to draw you in? Our sharing table is growing and there might > even be something you could use. > > Regards, > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 5:37 AM, David Wise wrote: > > If I ever make it to the social, I think I've got a stack I can give out, > but unfortunately my track record for getting there still remains a perfect > 0. > -- > Dave > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hey ALL, >> >> I have a friend that needs a couple sticks of 1GB PC-2700 333MHZ DIMM >> 184-PIN CL2.5 NON-ECC DDR SDRAM >> If you have it please bring to the next Social. >> >> THANKS!!! >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at demaagd.com Mon Apr 15 12:33:59 2013 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:33:59 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] RAM to share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516C2BF7.4020203@demaagd.com> If you can't make it, that's fine. We're all N00bs at something. Please don't feel intimidated. We have people working on different kinds of projects of many levels of complexity, from beginning to advanced. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. On 4/15/13 11:53 AM, David Wise wrote: > It's not about the desire to make it. It's about the time. I keep an eye > on the socials, I just haven't been available yet. Plus, I'm still a > complete N00b so I'm intimidated by all you cool people. > -- > Dave > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Casey DuBois > wrote: > > Hey Dave, wouldn't the satisfaction from helping others by sharing > your ram be enough to draw you in? Our sharing table is growing and > there might even be something you could use. > > Regards, > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 15 13:43:37 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:43:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] North Korean Missile Test and Win8 Message-ID: <1366047817.1648.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report)?North Korea?s official news agency announced today that the military?s planned missile test had been put on hold because of ?problems with Windows 8.? Intelligence analysts said that the announcement gave rare insight into the inner workings of North Korea?s missile program, which until last year had been running on Windows 95. The announcement from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) did not indicate a new scheduled time for a missile test, saying only that it was ?working with Windows 8 support to resolve the issue.? In the words of one intelligence analyst, ?That means the test has been delayed indefinitely.? A source close to the North Korean regime reported that Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un is furious about the Windows 8 problems and is considering a number of options, including declaring war on Microsoft. From uhawl1 at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 14:10:19 2013 From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:10:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] RAM to share In-Reply-To: <516C2BF7.4020203@demaagd.com> References: <516C2BF7.4020203@demaagd.com> Message-ID: For instance, I'm a noob at everything. :) On Apr 15, 2013 12:34 PM, "Jeff DeMaagd" wrote: > > > If you can't make it, that's fine. > > We're all N00bs at something. > > Please don't feel intimidated. We have people working on different kinds > of projects of many levels of complexity, from beginning to advanced. > > If you have any questions, feel free to ask. > > > > On 4/15/13 11:53 AM, David Wise wrote: > >> It's not about the desire to make it. It's about the time. I keep an eye >> on the socials, I just haven't been available yet. Plus, I'm still a >> complete N00b so I'm intimidated by all you cool people. >> -- >> Dave >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Casey DuBois > > wrote: >> >> Hey Dave, wouldn't the satisfaction from helping others by sharing >> your ram be enough to draw you in? Our sharing table is growing and >> there might even be something you could use. >> >> Regards, >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Plus, I'm still a >>> complete N00b so I'm intimidated by all you cool people. >>> -- >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Casey DuBois >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hey Dave, wouldn't the satisfaction from helping others by sharing >>> your ram be enough to draw you in? Our sharing table is growing and >>> there might even be something you could use. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Casey DuBois >>> 616-808-6942 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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EB From brousch at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 11:39:58 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:39:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mac & ??: reverse-URL file and directory names In-Reply-To: <1366126570.1638.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366126570.1638.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: They are usually Java packages http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/package/namingpkgs.html On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I've come across this occasionally and see it on my Mac--eg, under > Library/Cache: directory and file names that look like reverse urls: > > com.barebones.textwrangler > or > com.adobe.ARM > > I'm not even clear how I would Google for an explanation of when and how > and why this naming convention is used. E.g., if we're naming files on a > computer with no internet connection, why start with 'com'? etc. > > Thanks. > EB > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ From matt at zigg.com Tue Apr 16 11:44:20 2013 From: matt at zigg.com (Matt Behrens) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:44:20 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mac & ??: reverse-URL file and directory names In-Reply-To: <1366126570.1638.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366126570.1638.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I've come across this occasionally and see it on my Mac--eg, under > Library/Cache: directory and file names that look like reverse urls: > > com.barebones.textwrangler > or > com.adobe.ARM > > I'm not even clear how I would Google for an explanation of when and how > and why this naming convention is used. E.g., if we're naming files on a > computer with no internet connection, why start with 'com'? etc. It's a way to leverage the domain name system to create namespaces that organizations can use with a reasonable guarantee of uniqueness, without relying on another registration authority. (For a full guarantee, see tag: URIs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4151) In this way, even if several companies had a software package named e.g. "ARM", they could each create their own folder that they could assert full control over. I believe the backwards bit is a holdover from Java packages, e.g. com.example.package would result in class files being put in com/example/package, which in turn organizes all the packages from example.com in one directory. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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E.g., if we're naming files on a > > computer with no internet connection, why start with 'com'? etc. > > > It's a way to leverage the domain name system to create namespaces that organizations can use with a reasonable guarantee of uniqueness, without relying on another registration authority. (For a full guarantee, see tag: URIs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4151) In this way, even if several companies had a software package named e.g. "ARM", they could each create their own folder that they could assert full control over. > > I believe the backwards bit is a holdover from Java packages, e.g. com.example.package would result in class files being put in com/example/package, which in turn organizes all the packages from example.com in one directory. > _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug Great. Thanks. That clears it up. I just always wondered if it had some mysterious connection to the internet that I was missing. I knew I had seen it in Java stuff. 'Unique namespace' clear it up for me. From desertfrag at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 12:16:59 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Session Message-ID: <1366129019.13749.YahooMailNeo@web162404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm torrenting the new release of PcLinuxOS 64bit with my remote VPS. ?35 gigs yesterday. ?#2 ranked distro over the past 7 days. ?It's?being handled with the GUI version of 'Transmission' under XFCE. ?Remote access is done thru NX client and server. How do I keep Transmission running if I want to close the connection? ?When logging out of XFCE (effectively closing the connection), Transmission stops. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remote access > is done thru NX client and server. > > How do I keep Transmission running if I want to close the connection? > When logging out of XFCE (effectively closing the connection), > Transmission stops. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Wed Apr 17 11:34:35 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:34:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?windows-1252?q?GRLUG/GRMaker=92s_Social_Wednesday_April?= =?windows-1252?q?_17th_=40_The_Warehouse_TONIGHT!!_8PM?= Message-ID: GRLUG/GRMaker?s Social Wednesday April 17th @ The Warehouse *8PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* In order to make room for everyone please carpool when possible or park @ Ottawa Kent Insurance (7472 Main Street, Jenison). To keep informed about our meetings please join our Google Group . You can check out our Photostream on Flickr . Everyone is encouraged to bring their own projects to work on and show off. Follow us on Twitter: @GRMakers Like us on Facebook .Find us on Google+: grmakers We will be making our name tags and will need people to print, cut and laminate. Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 11:39:44 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:39:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) Message-ID: I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to make a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being so exposed. 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I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a case > for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being so > exposed. > If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I > won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans > that take me out of state. > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Dan Widdis > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From signals42 at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 11:42:24 2013 From: signals42 at gmail.com (Kevin McCarthy) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:42:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You mean like these? http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= -Kevin On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to make > a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a > case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being > so exposed. > If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I > won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans > that take me out of state. > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > Dan Widdis > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casey at grlug.org Wed Apr 17 11:45:18 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:45:18 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love my 3D printed Raspberry Pi case better than any of the others I've seen. I'm thinking for a couple bucks to cover the cost of materials you should be able to work a deal with any of the 3D printers. However for anyone that helps me finish my RepRap you can print them for FREE.... On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin McCarthy wrote: > You mean like these? > > http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= > > -Kevin > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > >> I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to make >> a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a >> case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being >> so exposed. >> If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I >> won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans >> that take me out of state. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Sincerely, >> Dan Widdis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 11:45:39 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:45:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, that's what I am looking for. Really any of them look like they'd work I'm not real picky. I just need to know how much $$ is needed to cover the materials and someones time to print it up (oh, and what colors are available). Thanks! Dan On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin McCarthy wrote: > You mean like these? > > http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= > > -Kevin > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > >> I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to make >> a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a >> case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being >> so exposed. >> If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I >> won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans >> that take me out of state. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Sincerely, >> Dan Widdis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Really any of them look like they'd > work I'm not real picky. > I just need to know how much $$ is needed to cover the materials and > someones time to print it up (oh, and what colors are available). > > Thanks! > Dan > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin McCarthy wrote: > >> You mean like these? >> >> http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: >> >>> I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to >>> make a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in >>> getting a case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the >>> electronics being so exposed. >>> If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I >>> won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans >>> that take me out of state. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Dan Widdis >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 11:49:59 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:49:59 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What sort of help do you need? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > I love my 3D printed Raspberry Pi case better than any of the others I've > seen. > I'm thinking for a couple bucks to cover the cost of materials you should be > able to work a deal with any of the 3D printers. > > However for anyone that helps me finish my RepRap you can print them for > FREE.... > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin McCarthy > wrote: >> >> You mean like these? >> >> http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis >> wrote: >>> >>> I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to make >>> a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in getting a >>> case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics being so >>> exposed. >>> If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. I >>> won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel plans >>> that take me out of state. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Dan Widdis >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From casey at grlug.org Wed Apr 17 11:54:24 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:54:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: fixing the over soldiering I did to start.... Ready to hook up electronics and make it move. Next step after that would be to install heat core and start printing. Very close but I've been too busy to spend time with it. My plan once it is finished is to let others learn by using and also print sets of parts for others to make their RepRaps from. Josh and Greg will both have their MakerBot Replicator 2's @ tonight's social and I'm thinking if you want a case it shouldn't be hard to work it out. They both have multiple colors of filament. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > What sort of help do you need? > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > > I love my 3D printed Raspberry Pi case better than any of the others I've > > seen. > > I'm thinking for a couple bucks to cover the cost of materials you > should be > > able to work a deal with any of the 3D printers. > > > > However for anyone that helps me finish my RepRap you can print them for > > FREE.... > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin McCarthy > > wrote: > >> > >> You mean like these? > >> > >> http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+case&sa= > >> > >> -Kevin > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Dan Widdis > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think I heard that someone has some designs for the 3D printers to > make > >>> a Raspberry Pi case. I have a Raspberry Pi and am interested in > getting a > >>> case for it - I've always been a bit concerned with the electronics > being so > >>> exposed. > >>> If anyone knows who I should talk to (phone/email) please let me know. > I > >>> won't make it to tonight's outing or next weeks due to some travel > plans > >>> that take me out of state. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Dan Widdis > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grlug mailing list > >>> grlug at grlug.org > >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Casey DuBois > > 616-808-6942 > > casey at grlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at demaagd.com Wed Apr 17 12:08:18 2013 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:08:18 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516EC8F2.3050400@demaagd.com> What parts do you need? On 4/17/13 11:47 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > Thanks Casey, I'm still looking for spare parts (like we talked about) > unfortunately I haven't seen anything come through :( -- Jeff DM-Accessories From jeff at demaagd.com Wed Apr 17 12:09:12 2013 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516EC928.8010908@demaagd.com> I plan to bring a crimper and extra connector ends to do the motor wiring tonight. I hope to make the motors move tonight if possible. On 4/17/13 11:54 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > fixing the over soldiering I did to start.... > Ready to hook up electronics and make it move. > Next step after that would be to install heat core and start printing. > Very close but I've been too busy to spend time with it. > My plan once it is finished is to let others learn by using and also > print sets of parts for others to make their RepRaps from. > Josh and Greg will both have their MakerBot Replicator 2's @ tonight's > social and I'm thinking if you want a case it shouldn't be hard to work > it out. They both have multiple colors of filament. > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dave Chiodo > wrote: > > What sort of help do you need? -- Jeff DM-Accessories From casey at grlug.org Wed Apr 17 12:10:32 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: <516EC928.8010908@demaagd.com> References: <516EC928.8010908@demaagd.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jeff, That sounds great. If we get it moving this week we should be printing next week. Casey On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Jeff DeMaagd wrote: > > > > I plan to bring a crimper and extra connector ends to do the motor wiring > tonight. I hope to make the motors move tonight if possible. > > > > On 4/17/13 11:54 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> fixing the over soldiering I did to start.... >> Ready to hook up electronics and make it move. >> Next step after that would be to install heat core and start printing. >> Very close but I've been too busy to spend time with it. >> My plan once it is finished is to let others learn by using and also >> print sets of parts for others to make their RepRaps from. >> Josh and Greg will both have their MakerBot Replicator 2's @ tonight's >> social and I'm thinking if you want a case it shouldn't be hard to work >> it out. They both have multiple colors of filament. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dave Chiodo > > wrote: >> >> What sort of help do you need? >> > > > > -- > Jeff > DM-Accessories > > ______________________________**_________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 13:14:27 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:14:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Making a case for a Raspberry Pi (3D Printer Question) In-Reply-To: References: <516EC928.8010908@demaagd.com> Message-ID: We're hoping to salvage some Tape Libraries here at SEI (Service Express) and donate the parts for the 3D Printers - unfortunately I haven't seen any come through that we can grab yet. Dan On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Thanks Jeff, > That sounds great. > If we get it moving this week we should be printing next week. > Casey > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Jeff DeMaagd wrote: > >> >> >> >> I plan to bring a crimper and extra connector ends to do the motor wiring >> tonight. I hope to make the motors move tonight if possible. >> >> >> >> On 4/17/13 11:54 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> >>> fixing the over soldiering I did to start.... >>> Ready to hook up electronics and make it move. >>> Next step after that would be to install heat core and start printing. >>> Very close but I've been too busy to spend time with it. >>> My plan once it is finished is to let others learn by using and also >>> print sets of parts for others to make their RepRaps from. >>> Josh and Greg will both have their MakerBot Replicator 2's @ tonight's >>> social and I'm thinking if you want a case it shouldn't be hard to work >>> it out. They both have multiple colors of filament. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dave Chiodo >> > wrote: >>> >>> What sort of help do you need? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff >> DM-Accessories >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mglaske at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 00:39:35 2013 From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:39:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Hey GRLUGERS, > > New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. I've > been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox and > things are working very well. > > However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent chances > are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. > > For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big Bang > Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what happens in > the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. > > So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my files > that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was .avi? > > Make sense? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dagda at pathwaynet.com Thu Apr 18 00:50:03 2013 From: dagda at pathwaynet.com (dagda at pathwaynet.com) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help References: Message-ID: <1152560568.30486.1366260603563.JavaMail.mail@webmail18> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 01:08:36 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:08:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. For instance, if files were Movie1.mp4 Long Movie.mp4 A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi mv Long Long mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case sensitive, but *nix are. Movie.mp4 and Movie.MP4 are two different files on a *nix system and MOVIE.mp4 is yet a third. As far as WHY the xbox doesn't work when the file is called mp4 and does when its avi, its due to MS foolish use of file extensions instead of contents of the file or something more standard to determine what the type of data is. For a really long explanation of the issues, that is written from a Mac perspective (OSX is *nix), see http://arstechnica.com/apple/2001/08/metadata/ (Sadly, its one of those spread-across-multiple-pages aticles and I couldn't find a one-page version of it. Its also quite old, but its points are still valid, even if they are now forgone lost-causes) On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Glaske wrote: > This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. > > for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed > 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done > > If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> >> Hey GRLUGERS, >> >> New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. I've >> been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox and >> things are working very well. >> >> However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent chances >> are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. >> >> For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big Bang >> Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what happens in >> the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. >> >> So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my files >> that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was .avi? >> >> Make sense? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From jjesse at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 10:47:36 2013 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:47:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah most of them have space in them so would either one work? Thanks for the quick response guys :) On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. > > For instance, if files were > > Movie1.mp4 > Long Movie.mp4 > > A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: > > mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi > mv Long Long > mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi > > Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case > sensitive, but *nix are. > > Movie.mp4 and Movie.MP4 are two different files on a *nix system and > MOVIE.mp4 is yet a third. > > As far as WHY the xbox doesn't work when the file is called mp4 and > does when its avi, its due to MS foolish use of file extensions > instead of contents of the file or something more standard to > determine what the type of data is. > > For a really long explanation of the issues, that is written from a > Mac perspective (OSX is *nix), see > http://arstechnica.com/apple/2001/08/metadata/ > > (Sadly, its one of those spread-across-multiple-pages aticles and I > couldn't find a one-page version of it. Its also quite old, but its > points are still valid, even if they are now forgone lost-causes) > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Glaske > wrote: > > This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. > > > > for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed > > 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done > > > > If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse > wrote: > >> > >> Hey GRLUGERS, > >> > >> New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. > I've > >> been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox and > >> things are working very well. > >> > >> However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent chances > >> are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. > >> > >> For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big > Bang > >> Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what happens > in > >> the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. > >> > >> So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my > files > >> that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was .avi? > >> > >> Make sense? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Yeah most of them have space in them so would either one work? > > Thanks for the quick response guys :) > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> >> Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. >> >> For instance, if files were >> >> Movie1.mp4 >> Long Movie.mp4 >> >> A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: >> >> mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi >> mv Long Long >> mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi >> >> Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case >> sensitive, but *nix are. >> >> Movie.mp4 and Movie.MP4 are two different files on a *nix system and >> MOVIE.mp4 is yet a third. >> >> As far as WHY the xbox doesn't work when the file is called mp4 and >> does when its avi, its due to MS foolish use of file extensions >> instead of contents of the file or something more standard to >> determine what the type of data is. >> >> For a really long explanation of the issues, that is written from a >> Mac perspective (OSX is *nix), see >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2001/08/metadata/ >> >> (Sadly, its one of those spread-across-multiple-pages aticles and I >> couldn't find a one-page version of it. Its also quite old, but its >> points are still valid, even if they are now forgone lost-causes) >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Glaske >> wrote: >> > This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. >> > >> > for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed >> > 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done >> > >> > If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey GRLUGERS, >> >> >> >> New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. >> >> I've >> >> been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox and >> >> things are working very well. >> >> >> >> However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent chances >> >> are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. >> >> >> >> For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big >> >> Bang >> >> Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what happens >> >> in >> >> the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. >> >> >> >> So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my >> >> files >> >> that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was .avi? >> >> >> >> Make sense? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grlug mailing list >> >> grlug at grlug.org >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grlug mailing list >> > grlug at grlug.org >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:22:00 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack Message-ID: I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement floor) a stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to the floor? Thanks in advance!! Sincerely, Dan Widdis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:26:38 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:26:38 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete anchors and do it themselves. If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall behind the rack. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement floor) a > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: > http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 > > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to the > floor? > > Thanks in advance!! > > Sincerely, > Dan Widdis > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:29:27 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:29:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do everything for them. They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for some time in May. Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete > anchors and do it themselves. > > If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the > rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. > Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall > behind the rack. > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis > wrote: > > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement > floor) a > > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: > > > http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 > > > > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to the > > floor? > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > > Sincerely, > > Dan Widdis > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at wesorick.com Thu Apr 18 11:32:07 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:32:07 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would imagine any concrete company could do this, although I'm not sure. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do > everything for them. > They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? > They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for > some time in May. > > Dan > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >> anchors and do it themselves. >> >> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >> behind the rack. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >> wrote: >> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >> floor) a >> > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: >> > >> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 >> > >> > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to the >> > floor? >> > >> > Thanks in advance!! >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Dan Widdis >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grlug mailing list >> > grlug at grlug.org >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:33:49 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:33:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay, just let me know once you find out and I'll pass your contact info along to my customer if it'll work. Thanks! Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, John Wesorick wrote: > I would imagine any concrete company could do this, although I'm not sure. > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > >> Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to >> do everything for them. >> They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? >> They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for >> some time in May. >> >> Dan >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> >>> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >>> anchors and do it themselves. >>> >>> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >>> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >>> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >>> behind the rack. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >>> wrote: >>> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >>> floor) a >>> > stand-alone network rack. 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URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Apr 18 11:34:16 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, John Wesorick wrote: > I would imagine any concrete company could do this, although I'm not sure. > Not likely, .. look for a phone or network installation company. Lee From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Thu Apr 18 11:36:21 2013 From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:36:21 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you need any custom braces. I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also. Thanks Bill From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Widdis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do everything for them. They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for some time in May. Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo > wrote: They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete anchors and do it themselves. If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall behind the rack. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis > wrote: > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement floor) a > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: > http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 > > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to the > floor? > > Thanks in advance!! > > Sincerely, > Dan Widdis > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:39:36 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:39:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard network switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the location of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the wall either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the customer with name/phone number. Thanks! Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble wrote: > I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you > need any custom braces.**** > > I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks**** > > Bill**** > > ** ** > > *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Dan Widdis > *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM > *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** > > ** ** > > Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do > everything for them. **** > > They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? > They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for > some time in May.**** > > ** ** > > Dan**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote:* > *** > > They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete > anchors and do it themselves. > > If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the > rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. > Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall > behind the rack.**** > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis > wrote: > > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement > floor) a > > stand-alone network rack. 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URL: From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Thu Apr 18 11:44:36 2013 From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:44:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, I will check with him tonight and get back to you. From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Widdis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:40 AM To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard network switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the location of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the wall either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the customer with name/phone number. Thanks! Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble > wrote: I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you need any custom braces. I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also. Thanks Bill From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Widdis Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM To: Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do everything for them. They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for some time in May. Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo > wrote: They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete anchors and do it themselves. If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall behind the rack. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis > wrote: > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement floor) a > stand-alone network rack. 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URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:45:24 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:45:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome, Thanks Bill! Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Bill Pribble wrote: > Dan, I will check with him tonight and get back to you.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Dan Widdis > *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:40 AM > > *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** > > ** ** > > Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard network > switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the location > of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the wall > either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. **** > > If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the > customer with name/phone number. Thanks!**** > > ** ** > > Dan**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble > wrote:**** > > I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you > need any custom braces.**** > > I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > Bill**** > > **** > > *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Dan Widdis > *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM > *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. > *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** > > **** > > Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to do > everything for them. **** > > They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? > They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for > some time in May.**** > > **** > > Dan**** > > **** > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote:* > *** > > They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete > anchors and do it themselves. > > If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the > rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. > Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall > behind the rack.**** > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis > wrote: > > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement > floor) a > > stand-alone network rack. 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URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Thu Apr 18 11:53:54 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:53:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alternatively they could pay a little more for a four post rack instead of a relay rack. I've had mixed experience bolting relay racks to the floor. The landlords are frequently opposed to the idea and drilling the holes makes a lot of noise. Also you can't be certain of where the structural steel is in the floor and its a bad idea and difficult to drill thru it. Anything you can do to brace it to the wall is a big help. A short piece of ladder rack works well. If the gear will be switches use the center mount holes if possible not the face to keep weight balanced. I would be happy to help but you really need an insured contractor to do the work in case anything goes wrong. On Apr 18, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: > Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard network > switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the location > of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the wall > either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. > If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the > customer with name/phone number. Thanks! > > Dan > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble wrote: > >> I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you >> need any custom braces.**** >> >> I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> Bill**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Dan Widdis >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM >> *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. >> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to >> do everything for them. **** >> >> They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? >> They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for >> some time in May.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dan**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> **** >> >> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >> anchors and do it themselves. >> >> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >> behind the rack.**** >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >> wrote: >> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >> floor) a >> > stand-alone network rack. 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URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 11:57:43 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:57:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So you're thinking more of something like this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051610&p_id=10341&seq=1&format=2 I think that would work and would eliminate (I believe) the need for bolting it down. Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > Alternatively they could pay a little more for a four post rack instead of > a relay rack. > > I've had mixed experience bolting relay racks to the floor. The landlords > are frequently opposed to the idea and drilling the holes makes a lot of > noise. Also you can't be certain of where the structural steel is in the > floor and its a bad idea and difficult to drill thru it. > > Anything you can do to brace it to the wall is a big help. A short piece > of ladder rack works well. If the gear will be switches use the center > mount holes if possible not the face to keep weight balanced. > > I would be happy to help but you really need an insured contractor to do > the work in case anything goes wrong. > On Apr 18, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: > >> Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard network >> switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the location >> of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the wall >> either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. >> If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the >> customer with name/phone number. Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble wrote: >> >>> I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you >>> need any custom braces.**** >>> >>> I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks**** >>> >>> Bill**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Dan Widdis >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM >>> *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. >>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to >>> do everything for them. **** >>> >>> They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? >>> They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for >>> some time in May.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Dan**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >>> anchors and do it themselves. >>> >>> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >>> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >>> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >>> behind the rack.**** >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >>> wrote: >>> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >>> floor) a >>> > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: >>> > >>> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 >>> > >>> > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to >>> the >>> > floor? >>> > >>> > Thanks in advance!! >>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>> > Dan Widdis >>> >**** >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > grlug mailing list >>> > grlug at grlug.org >>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Thu Apr 18 12:06:50 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:06:50 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes exactly.... You can get ones with sides for appearances but generally it is not needed. On a hard level surface it won't need bolting down though braces to the wall might be helpful for wiring and to prevent sliding. Also national electric code requires the rack to be grounded (bonded) to the main electrical service ground...any electrician can do this if you choose to do so. On Apr 18, 2013 11:57 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: > So you're thinking more of something like this: > http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051610&p_id=10341&seq=1&format=2 > > I think that would work and would eliminate (I believe) the need for > bolting it down. > > Dan > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Mark Farver wrote: > >> Alternatively they could pay a little more for a four post rack instead >> of a relay rack. >> >> I've had mixed experience bolting relay racks to the floor. The landlords >> are frequently opposed to the idea and drilling the holes makes a lot of >> noise. Also you can't be certain of where the structural steel is in the >> floor and its a bad idea and difficult to drill thru it. >> >> Anything you can do to brace it to the wall is a big help. A short piece >> of ladder rack works well. If the gear will be switches use the center >> mount holes if possible not the face to keep weight balanced. >> >> I would be happy to help but you really need an insured contractor to do >> the work in case anything goes wrong. >> On Apr 18, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: >> >>> Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard >>> network switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the >>> location of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the >>> wall either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. >>> If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the >>> customer with name/phone number. Thanks! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble >> > wrote: >>> >>>> I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in you >>>> need any custom braces.**** >>>> >>>> I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Thanks**** >>>> >>>> Bill**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Dan Widdis >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM >>>> *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. >>>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us to >>>> do everything for them. **** >>>> >>>> They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? >>>> They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for >>>> some time in May.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Dan**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >>>> anchors and do it themselves. >>>> >>>> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >>>> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >>>> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >>>> behind the rack.**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >>>> wrote: >>>> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >>>> floor) a >>>> > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: >>>> > >>>> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to >>>> the >>>> > floor? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks in advance!! >>>> > >>>> > Sincerely, >>>> > Dan Widdis >>>> >**** >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > grlug mailing list >>>> > grlug at grlug.org >>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 12:09:14 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:09:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome - thanks Mark - that should save us some time. I'll recommend that to the customer instead of the other one. Dan On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Mark Farver wrote: > Yes exactly.... You can get ones with sides for appearances but generally > it is not needed. On a hard level surface it won't need bolting down > though braces to the wall might be helpful for wiring and to prevent > sliding. > > Also national electric code requires the rack to be grounded (bonded) to > the main electrical service ground...any electrician can do this if you > choose to do so. > On Apr 18, 2013 11:57 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: > >> So you're thinking more of something like this: >> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051610&p_id=10341&seq=1&format=2 >> >> I think that would work and would eliminate (I believe) the need for >> bolting it down. >> >> Dan >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Mark Farver wrote: >> >>> Alternatively they could pay a little more for a four post rack instead >>> of a relay rack. >>> >>> I've had mixed experience bolting relay racks to the floor. The >>> landlords are frequently opposed to the idea and drilling the holes makes a >>> lot of noise. Also you can't be certain of where the structural steel is in >>> the floor and its a bad idea and difficult to drill thru it. >>> >>> Anything you can do to brace it to the wall is a big help. A short >>> piece of ladder rack works well. If the gear will be switches use the >>> center mount holes if possible not the face to keep weight balanced. >>> >>> I would be happy to help but you really need an insured contractor to do >>> the work in case anything goes wrong. >>> On Apr 18, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dan Widdis" wrote: >>> >>>> Thank Bill. I know all they're going to mount to this is standard >>>> network switches/hubs. So weight won't be an issue. And at this point the >>>> location of the rack (in my mind) won't lend itself to being mounted to the >>>> wall either. However, mounting to the floor is a must. >>>> If he can do it let me know and again, I'll pass the info along to the >>>> customer with name/phone number. Thanks! >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bill Pribble < >>>> Bill.Pribble at haworth.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a friend who is a metal fabricator that may be interested in >>>>> you need any custom braces.**** >>>>> >>>>> I am sure he could secure the racks to the floor also.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Thanks**** >>>>> >>>>> Bill**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Dan Widdis >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:29 AM >>>>> *To:* Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area. >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately they aren't that experienced - they usually rely on us >>>>> to do everything for them. **** >>>>> >>>>> They'd be willing to pay for the work to be done - anyone interested?? >>>>> They don't have the network rack yet - this would be scheduled likely for >>>>> some time in May.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Dan**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave Chiodo >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> They could just rent a hammer drill and get some proper-sized concrete >>>>> anchors and do it themselves. >>>>> >>>>> If they are going to be mounting anything *remotely* heavy in the >>>>> rack, I would strongly suggest they secure the top of the rack too. >>>>> Best way is with a beam between the top of the rack and the wall >>>>> behind the rack.**** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dan Widdis >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > I have a customer here in town that is looking to mount (to cement >>>>> floor) a >>>>> > stand-alone network rack. Likely it'll be this model: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051601&p_id=8620&seq=1&format=2 >>>>> > >>>>> > Does anyone know who they can call to get the rack mounted/bolted to >>>>> the >>>>> > floor? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks in advance!! >>>>> > >>>>> > Sincerely, >>>>> > Dan Widdis >>>>> >**** >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > grlug mailing list >>>>> > grlug at grlug.org >>>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grlug mailing list >>>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grlug mailing list >>>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Putting it up on the wall is a lot simpler and space effective than a floor-mounted rack. HTH, Lee From danwiddisii at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 12:34:14 2013 From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Mounting Network Rack In-Reply-To: <201304181630.r3IGUKB3011326@Mail.omnitec.net> References: <201304181630.r3IGUKB3011326@Mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: I know there's 10-12 switches/hubs/firewall possibly more (they have a poor layout of the network). It's possible this may work for them - I'll keep that in mind. Thanks Lee! On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 10:57 AM 4/18/2013, Dan Widdis wrote: > >> So you're thinking more of something like this: < >> http://www.monoprice.com/**products/product.asp?c_id=105&** >> cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051610&p_**id=10341&seq=1&format=2 >> >http:/**/www.monoprice.com/products/**product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=** >> 10516&cs_id=1051610&p_id=**10341&seq=1&format=2 >> >> >> I think that would work and would eliminate (I believe) the need for >> bolting it down. >> >> Dan >> > > How much equipment are you putting in the rack? We normally use > wall-mounted racks (up to 16u) - mounting them towards the ceiling helps > keep everything out of the way: > > 15U x 12" deep: > > http://www.falcontech.com/**Wall-Mount-Rack-Middle-** > Atlantic-15U-19-Inch-x-1-p/wm-**15-12.htm > > 15U x 18" deep: > > http://www.falcontech.com/**Wall-Mount-Rack-Middle-** > Atlantic-8U-19-Inch-x-18-p/wm-**8-18.htm > > For cabling, a 12" deep rack will handle most patch panels & switches. > Putting it up on the wall is a lot simpler and space effective than a > floor-mounted rack. > > HTH, > > Lee > ______________________________**_________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hello GRLUG/GRMakers, > > Here's the Casey discount for anyone that has not registered yet!! > Register soon as we are close to cutting off registrations. > > enter GRMakers to receive 15% off for GLSEC > > The Great Lakes Software Excellence Conference > > *Where: *Prince Conference Center at Calvin College > > *When: *April 29th, 7:00 am ? 5:00 pm > glsec.org > > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GRMakers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to grmakers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have a growing collection of items to share and are always interested in more. Regards, Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > I have a large assortment of parts - > resistors in 1/4/ 1/2, and 1 watt sizes, > and most 5% values. Transistor. Things > like 2N2222, 2N3055, etc. Capacitors. > Op amps. Some ICs - 7400 stuff. > > If the group has any interest in them, > or some other group does, let me know > soon. I'm cleaning out a house for an > estate sale, and must move the stuff > quickly. > > If interested, please contact me offline. > I only ask that people pick the stuff up. > > Yes, free. > > -- Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 15:13:03 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:13:03 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Casey -- Jeff DMaagd contacted me too. Between the two of you, you should be able to haul it all off. I can show you what all is available. I'd like to wait until the rain spell is over. I'm spending half my time vacuum up water...... I have other items which I can show you too. Variacs. Ancient and small hard drives - IDE, in the 500 MB to 1GB range. ( No, that's not intended to be a joke, even if it is one.... ) My address is 3426 Fuller Ave SE. -- Bob On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hey Bob, > Ill pick up anything you want to share with the GRLUG/GRMakers. We have a > growing collection of items to share and are always interested in more. > > Regards, > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > > > I have a large assortment of parts - > > resistors in 1/4/ 1/2, and 1 watt sizes, > > and most 5% values. Transistor. Things > > like 2N2222, 2N3055, etc. Capacitors. > > Op amps. Some ICs - 7400 stuff. > > > > If the group has any interest in them, > > or some other group does, let me know > > soon. I'm cleaning out a house for an > > estate sale, and must move the stuff > > quickly. > > > > If interested, please contact me offline. > > I only ask that people pick the stuff up. > > > > Yes, free. > > > > -- Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Apr 18 15:47:16 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:47:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem Message-ID: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to use the SugarCRM community edition silent upgrade. They say to use this command: Usage: php -f silentUpgrade.php [upgradeZipFile] [logFile] [pathToSugarInstance] [adminUser] I guess I'm not running it from the right place or something, since I keep getting "php: command not found" reply. I've tried running it from a number of places including the Document Root. Can anyone tell what I'm missing? Thanks. From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Apr 18 15:54:12 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: iOn Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm trying to use the SugarCRM community edition silent upgrade. They > say to use this command: > > Usage: php -f silentUpgrade.php [upgradeZipFile] [logFile] > [pathToSugarInstance] [adminUser] > > I guess I'm not running it from the right place or something, since I > keep getting "php: command not found" reply. > Normally that would mean php is not installed; if you are running this on the server with SugarCRM, however, php would be requited. Some distros require a separate package for the php cli - see if you have a package like "php5-cli" in your package manager. Lee From patrick at upmerchants.com Thu Apr 18 15:54:32 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:54:32 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <51704F78.90100@upmerchants.com> It basically means that you do not have php installed on the system you are trying to do this on or php is not in your path. Try running it on a computer that has php installed on it or install php on that computer. On 04/18/2013 03:47 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm trying to use the SugarCRM community edition silent upgrade. They > say to use this command: > > Usage: php -f silentUpgrade.php [upgradeZipFile] [logFile] > [pathToSugarInstance] [adminUser] > > I guess I'm not running it from the right place or something, since I > keep getting "php: command not found" reply. > > I've tried running it from a number of places including the Document > Root. > > Can anyone tell what I'm missing? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Apr 18 16:15:10 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:15:10 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <51704F78.90100@upmerchants.com> References: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51704F78.90100@upmerchants.com> Message-ID: <1366316110.1647.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> It looks like both apache and php were installed as part of the sugarcrm installation at /opt/sugarcrm-5.5.4. That directory includes apache2 common htdocs install_summary.txt licenses mysql php silent.log sugarctl.sh uninstall I've tried running the command at that level and also in htdocs and still get the same result. @Lee: I'm trying to use the silent upgrade because the sugarcrm upgrade wizard hung because php didn't have zip support running and I couldn't find any way to add that in the sugar-created php setup. I'm waiting on a post to the sugar forum for an answer to that question. They seem to require moderator approval and I have no idea when that will occur. It seems I'd have to recompile php, but it wasn't clear how to do that with this unique php installation. EB On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 15:54 -0400, Patrick Goupell wrote: > It basically means that you do not have php installed on the system you > are trying to do this on or php is not in your path. > > Try running it on a computer that has php installed on it or install php > on that computer. > > > > On 04/18/2013 03:47 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm trying to use the SugarCRM community edition silent upgrade. They > > say to use this command: > > > > Usage: php -f silentUpgrade.php [upgradeZipFile] [logFile] > > [pathToSugarInstance] [adminUser] > > > > I guess I'm not running it from the right place or something, since I > > keep getting "php: command not found" reply. > > > > I've tried running it from a number of places including the Document > > Root. > > > > Can anyone tell what I'm missing? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > From anabob at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 16:33:41 2013 From: anabob at gmail.com (Ana) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:33:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know for a fact that the Xbox can play mp4 files no problem. I think that the issue lies with minidnla. Taking care of the root issue is always better than putting together a "fix" that you constantly have to do every time you want to add more media. http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/forums/forum/879957/topic/3921557 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MiniDLNA On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > Best to test. > > As Michael suggested, use "echo" in place of the "mv" to see what will > happen. > > I might suggest you get in the habit of normalizing filenames of stuff > you download to avoid spaces and other "special" characters that can > cause problems. > > There are various utilities than can help with that - search on google. > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > Yeah most of them have space in them so would either one work? > > > > Thanks for the quick response guys :) > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> > >> Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. > >> > >> For instance, if files were > >> > >> Movie1.mp4 > >> Long Movie.mp4 > >> > >> A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: > >> > >> mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi > >> mv Long Long > >> mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi > >> > >> Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case > >> sensitive, but *nix are. > >> > >> Movie.mp4 and Movie.MP4 are two different files on a *nix system and > >> MOVIE.mp4 is yet a third. > >> > >> As far as WHY the xbox doesn't work when the file is called mp4 and > >> does when its avi, its due to MS foolish use of file extensions > >> instead of contents of the file or something more standard to > >> determine what the type of data is. > >> > >> For a really long explanation of the issues, that is written from a > >> Mac perspective (OSX is *nix), see > >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2001/08/metadata/ > >> > >> (Sadly, its one of those spread-across-multiple-pages aticles and I > >> couldn't find a one-page version of it. Its also quite old, but its > >> points are still valid, even if they are now forgone lost-causes) > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Glaske > >> wrote: > >> > This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. > >> > > >> > for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed > >> > 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done > >> > > >> > If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey GRLUGERS, > >> >> > >> >> New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. > >> >> I've > >> >> been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox > and > >> >> things are working very well. > >> >> > >> >> However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent > chances > >> >> are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. > >> >> > >> >> For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big > >> >> Bang > >> >> Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what > happens > >> >> in > >> >> the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. > >> >> > >> >> So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my > >> >> files > >> >> that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was > .avi? > >> >> > >> >> Make sense? > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> grlug mailing list > >> >> grlug at grlug.org > >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grlug mailing list > >> > grlug at grlug.org > >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grlug mailing list > >> grlug at grlug.org > >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:15:45 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:15:45 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A Google search for yielded a number of helpful pages; this one specifically addressed spaces in file names: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/renaming-multiple-files-at-a-shell-prompt.html A combination of the results could be extremely helpful, as each one addresses slight variations on the theme. I especially looked up the rename command on the Mac - optional, available as a brew formula. --Don Ellis On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Yeah most of them have space in them so would either one work? > > Thanks for the quick response guys :) > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: >> >> Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. >> >> For instance, if files were >> >> Movie1.mp4 >> Long Movie.mp4 >> >> A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: >> >> mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi >> mv Long Long >> mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi >> >> Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case >> sensitive, but *nix are. ... From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:25:47 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:25:47 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517064DB.5060304@gmail.com> On 04/18/2013 05:15 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > A Google search for yielded a number of > helpful pages; this one specifically addressed spaces in file names: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/renaming-multiple-files-at-a-shell-prompt.html > > A combination of the results could be extremely helpful, as each one > addresses slight variations on the theme. > > I especially looked up the rename command on the Mac - optional, > available as a brew formula. > > --Don Ellis 'rename' is available on Linux, as part of the 'util-linux' package. man 1 rename results in: RENAME(1) User Commands RENAME(1) NAME rename - rename files SYNOPSIS rename [options] expression replacement file... DESCRIPTION rename will rename the specified files by replacing the first occurrence of expression in their name by replacement. OPTIONS -v, --verbose Give visual feedback which files where renamed, if any. -V, --version Display version information and exit. -h, --help Display help text and exit. EXAMPLES Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands rename foo foo0 foo? rename foo foo0 foo?? will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And rename .htm .html *.htm will fix the extension of your html files. WARNING The renaming has no safeguards. If the user has permission to rewrite file names, the com? mand will perform the action without any ques? tions. For example, the result can be quite drastic when the command is run as root in the /lib directory. Always make a backup before running the command, unless you truly know what you are doing. SEE ALSO mmv(1), mv(1) AVAILABILITY The rename command is part of the util-linux package and is available from ftp://ftp.ker? nel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/. util-linux June 2011 RENAME(1) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From richardnienhuis at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:30:18 2013 From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:30:18 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That variac would be pretty handy at the space. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > Hi Casey -- > > Jeff DMaagd contacted me too. Between the > two of you, you should be able to haul it all off. > I can show you what all is available. I'd like to > wait until the rain spell is over. I'm spending > half my time vacuum up water...... > > I have other items which I can show you too. > Variacs. Ancient and small hard drives - IDE, > in the 500 MB to 1GB range. ( No, that's not > intended to be a joke, even if it is one.... ) > > My address is 3426 Fuller Ave SE. > > -- Bob > > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hey Bob, >> Ill pick up anything you want to share with the GRLUG/GRMakers. We have a >> growing collection of items to share and are always interested in more. >> >> Regards, >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Bob Kline wrote: >> >> > I have a large assortment of parts - >> > resistors in 1/4/ 1/2, and 1 watt sizes, >> > and most 5% values. Transistor. Things >> > like 2N2222, 2N3055, etc. Capacitors. >> > Op amps. Some ICs - 7400 stuff. >> > >> > If the group has any interest in them, >> > or some other group does, let me know >> > soon. 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That directory includes > > apache2 common htdocs install_summary.txt licenses mysql php > silent.log sugarctl.sh uninstall > > I've tried running the command at that level and also in htdocs and > still get the same result. > Eric, If php was installed with sugarcrm you might have to specify the full path. e.g. /opt/sugarcrm-5.5.4/php/bin/php -f silentUpgrade.php [upgradeZipFile] [logFile] [pathToSugarInstance] [adminUser] If it's a zip file you may also need to apt-get unzip - not sure how PHP handles that. HTH, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The daemon that runs php normally probably has a PATH setting that includes the php bin directory or equivalent. --Don Ellis On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > It looks like both apache and php were installed as part of the sugarcrm > installation at /opt/sugarcrm-5.5.4. That directory includes > > apache2 common htdocs install_summary.txt licenses mysql php > silent.log sugarctl.sh uninstall > > I've tried running the command at that level and also in htdocs and > still get the same result. > > @Lee: I'm trying to use the silent upgrade because the sugarcrm upgrade > wizard hung because php didn't have zip support running and I couldn't > find any way to add that in the sugar-created php setup. I'm waiting on > a post to the sugar forum for an answer to that question. They seem to > require moderator approval and I have no idea when that will occur. It > seems I'd have to recompile php, but it wasn't clear how to do that with > this unique php installation. > > EB > > On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 15:54 -0400, Patrick Goupell wrote: >> It basically means that you do not have php installed on the system you >> are trying to do this on or php is not in your path. >> >> Try running it on a computer that has php installed on it or install php >> on that computer. ... From bob.kline at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:33:01 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:33:01 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You'll have them - one is 10A I believe, and the other maybe 5A. Casey will make the first pass at picking up material for the group. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Richard Nienhuis wrote: > That variac would be pretty handy at the space. > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > >> Hi Casey -- >> >> Jeff DMaagd contacted me too. Between the >> two of you, you should be able to haul it all off. >> I can show you what all is available. I'd like to >> wait until the rain spell is over. I'm spending >> half my time vacuum up water...... >> >> I have other items which I can show you too. >> Variacs. Ancient and small hard drives - IDE, >> in the 500 MB to 1GB range. ( No, that's not >> intended to be a joke, even if it is one.... ) >> >> My address is 3426 Fuller Ave SE. >> >> -- Bob >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> >>> Hey Bob, >>> Ill pick up anything you want to share with the GRLUG/GRMakers. We have >>> a growing collection of items to share and are always interested in more. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Casey DuBois >>> 616-808-6942 >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Bob Kline wrote: >>> >>> > I have a large assortment of parts - >>> > resistors in 1/4/ 1/2, and 1 watt sizes, >>> > and most 5% values. Transistor. Things >>> > like 2N2222, 2N3055, etc. Capacitors. >>> > Op amps. Some ICs - 7400 stuff. >>> > >>> > If the group has any interest in them, >>> > or some other group does, let me know >>> > soon. I'm cleaning out a house for an >>> > estate sale, and must move the stuff >>> > quickly. >>> > >>> > If interested, please contact me offline. >>> > I only ask that people pick the stuff up. >>> > >>> > Yes, free. >>> > >>> > -- Bob >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > grlug mailing list >>> > grlug at grlug.org >>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Apr 18 17:44:34 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:44:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <1366316110.1647.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51704F78.90100@upmerchants.com> <1366316110.1647.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > @Lee: I'm trying to use the silent upgrade because the sugarcrm upgrade > wizard hung because php didn't have zip support running and I couldn't > find any way to add that in the sugar-created php setup. I'm waiting on > a post to the sugar forum for an answer to that question. They seem to > require moderator approval and I have no idea when that will occur. It > seems I'd have to recompile php, but it wasn't clear how to do that with > this unique php installation. > Basic question - is /usr/bin in your path on that system? On most of ours, the php executable is here: $ which php /usr/bin/php You might try to invoke with the full path (e.g. /usr/bin/php)? It's simple to test - do a "/usr/bin/php -v" and you should see the installed version: $ /usr/bin/php -v PHP 5.3.15 (cli) Copyright (c) 1997-2012 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2012 Zend Technologies Lee From don.ellis at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:56:50 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:56:50 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] sugarcrm silent upgrade problem In-Reply-To: References: <1366314436.1647.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51704F78.90100@upmerchants.com> <1366316110.1647.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > >> @Lee: I'm trying to use the silent upgrade because the sugarcrm upgrade >> wizard hung because php didn't have zip support running and I couldn't >> find any way to add that in the sugar-created php setup. ... >> > Basic question - is /usr/bin in your path on that system? On most of ours, > the php executable is here: > > $ which php > /usr/bin/php On my Mac, it's at /usr/bin/php; on a BSD system (yours, Lee), it's at /usr/local/bin... --Don Ellis From jjesse at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 21:50:24 2013 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:50:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] need some script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hrmm thanks for the link, I wonder if the version in Precise is the "flawed" version as well? Maybe I'll start a separate thread about using something else to stream my video. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Ana wrote: > I know for a fact that the Xbox can play mp4 files no problem. I think > that the issue lies with minidnla. Taking care of the root issue is always > better than putting together a "fix" that you constantly have to do every > time you want to add more media. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/forums/forum/879957/topic/3921557 > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MiniDLNA > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Dave Chiodo wrote: > >> Best to test. >> >> As Michael suggested, use "echo" in place of the "mv" to see what will >> happen. >> >> I might suggest you get in the habit of normalizing filenames of stuff >> you download to avoid spaces and other "special" characters that can >> cause problems. >> >> There are various utilities than can help with that - search on google. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Jesse >> wrote: >> > Yeah most of them have space in them so would either one work? >> > >> > Thanks for the quick response guys :) >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Chiodo >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Gotta be wary of filenames with spaces though. >> >> >> >> For instance, if files were >> >> >> >> Movie1.mp4 >> >> Long Movie.mp4 >> >> >> >> A for-loop on that could easily end up doing: >> >> >> >> mv Movie1.mp4 Movie1.avi >> >> mv Long Long >> >> mv Movie.mp4 Movie.avi >> >> >> >> Also gotta watch for .mp4 vs .MP4 - windows f/s are not case >> >> sensitive, but *nix are. >> >> >> >> Movie.mp4 and Movie.MP4 are two different files on a *nix system and >> >> MOVIE.mp4 is yet a third. >> >> >> >> As far as WHY the xbox doesn't work when the file is called mp4 and >> >> does when its avi, its due to MS foolish use of file extensions >> >> instead of contents of the file or something more standard to >> >> determine what the type of data is. >> >> >> >> For a really long explanation of the issues, that is written from a >> >> Mac perspective (OSX is *nix), see >> >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2001/08/metadata/ >> >> >> >> (Sadly, its one of those spread-across-multiple-pages aticles and I >> >> couldn't find a one-page version of it. Its also quite old, but its >> >> points are still valid, even if they are now forgone lost-causes) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Glaske >> >> wrote: >> >> > This should work.. beware though.. It's untested.. in BASH. >> >> > >> >> > for file in `find . -name \*.mp4`; do mv $file `echo $file | sed >> >> > 's/$.*\.$mp4/\1avi/'` ; done >> >> > >> >> > If you want to test it first, replace 'mv $file' with 'echo'. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Jesse >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey GRLUGERS, >> >> >> >> >> >> New to scripting and all that but hoping to get some help out here. >> >> >> I've >> >> >> been using minidnla on my Ubuntu laptop to stream movies to my xbox >> and >> >> >> things are working very well. >> >> >> >> >> >> However I notice something... If I grab something off bittorent >> chances >> >> >> are it is a MP4 or a MKV file and my xbox can't stream it. >> >> >> >> >> >> For some reason if I rename the same file Big Bang Theory.mp4 to Big >> >> >> Bang >> >> >> Theory.avi the file will play on my xbox. Not quite sure what >> happens >> >> >> in >> >> >> the rename of the file that makes the magic work but it does. >> >> >> >> >> >> So I'm wondering if there is a script guru that could look at all my >> >> >> files >> >> >> that either named *.mp4 or *.mkv and rename it to whatever it was >> .avi? >> >> >> >> >> >> Make sense? >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> grlug mailing list >> >> >> grlug at grlug.org >> >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > grlug mailing list >> >> > grlug at grlug.org >> >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grlug mailing list >> >> grlug at grlug.org >> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grlug mailing list >> > grlug at grlug.org >> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are the only user on the laptop it should be just fine On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Since you guys were so awesome with the scripting question I thought you > could help me out with yet another question. > > No idea why I'm using minidlna but it seems to work mostly and was pretty > easy to setup. > > I have a Dell Laptop w/ 2 hard drives in it 150gb drive as / and a 300gb > drive that mounts as /media/Media upon startup. > > I'v come to fill up my / partition (drive) with iso images, virtual > machines, and other media and would like to use my 300gb for my videos. > > Minidlna allows me to specify the folder separately for music, videos etc > in the minidlna.conf file. > > So if I have a drive /media/Media and a folder called Videos I should be > able to configure minidlna to use /media/Media/Videos/ as my folder to > stream files. > > However I keep getting a permission denied when starting the service. > I've posted on askubuntu.com but don't see to be avle to get it fiugred > out correctly > > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/266033/permissions-for-video-folder-for-minidlna > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yesterday I had to get a pump to relieve my back yard of some water: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223876/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663224162/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223162/in/photostream/ Here's the water levels yesterday in my neighbor's back yard and on Baldwin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662123651/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223524/in/photostream/ And here's those same locations as of 8AM this morning: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663220144/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662122037/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662121459/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663218226/in/photostream/ So in short Baldwin has water on it and if it gets much higher I might have to call in the troops to help me move everything in The Warehouse off the floor. 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Good luck and hopefully you stay dry On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > Hello FRIENDS!!! > > The GRLUG/GRMakers has used The Warehouse to host meetings for several > years now and I may need your help.... > > We are not under water yet but there is talk that the Grand River will > continue to rise till Sunday. > > Yesterday I had to get a pump to relieve my back yard of some water: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223876/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663224162/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223162/in/photostream/ > > Here's the water levels yesterday in my neighbor's back yard and on > Baldwin: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662123651/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223524/in/photostream/ > > And here's those same locations as of 8AM this morning: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663220144/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662122037/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662121459/in/photostream/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663218226/in/photostream/ > > So in short Baldwin has water on it and if it gets much higher I might > have to call in the troops to help me move everything in The Warehouse off > the floor. > > I'm not asking for help today but ask that you watch for any EMERGENCY > ANNOUNCEMENT emails as I may need some assistance tomorrow or Sunday. > > Stay Tuned!! > > Casey DuBois > 616-808-6942 > casey at grlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course I will be there. :) On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Good luck, hope it doesn't rise too much. > > I took my family downtown last night and was amazed at the level of the > Grand River and also how many peope were out taking pictures of them. > > Good luck and hopefully you stay dry > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: > >> Hello FRIENDS!!! >> >> The GRLUG/GRMakers has used The Warehouse to host meetings for several >> years now and I may need your help.... >> >> We are not under water yet but there is talk that the Grand River will >> continue to rise till Sunday. >> >> Yesterday I had to get a pump to relieve my back yard of some water: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223876/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663224162/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223162/in/photostream/ >> >> Here's the water levels yesterday in my neighbor's back yard and on >> Baldwin: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662123651/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663223524/in/photostream/ >> >> And here's those same locations as of 8AM this morning: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663220144/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662122037/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8662121459/in/photostream/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8663218226/in/photostream/ >> >> So in short Baldwin has water on it and if it gets much higher I might >> have to call in the troops to help me move everything in The Warehouse off >> the floor. >> >> I'm not asking for help today but ask that you watch for any EMERGENCY >> ANNOUNCEMENT emails as I may need some assistance tomorrow or Sunday. >> >> Stay Tuned!! >> >> Casey DuBois >> 616-808-6942 >> casey at grlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am only looking for 100 bucks or so, and assisting my dad with getting it out of the basement. It looks like this one http://www.uship.com/popups/profilePic.aspx?path=5a634529-3819-4d0d-a.jpg On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Dan Widdis wrote: > I know there's 10-12 switches/hubs/firewall possibly more (they have a > poor layout of the network). > It's possible this may work for them - I'll keep that in mind. > > Thanks Lee! > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >> At 10:57 AM 4/18/2013, Dan Widdis wrote: >> >>> So you're thinking more of something like this: < >>> http://www.monoprice.com/**products/product.asp?c_id=105&** >>> cp_id=10516&cs_id=1051610&p_**id=10341&seq=1&format=2 >>> >http:/**/www.monoprice.com/products/**product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=** >>> 10516&cs_id=1051610&p_id=**10341&seq=1&format=2 >>> >>> >>> I think that would work and would eliminate (I believe) the need for >>> bolting it down. >>> >>> Dan >>> >> >> How much equipment are you putting in the rack? We normally use >> wall-mounted racks (up to 16u) - mounting them towards the ceiling helps >> keep everything out of the way: >> >> 15U x 12" deep: >> >> http://www.falcontech.com/**Wall-Mount-Rack-Middle-** >> Atlantic-15U-19-Inch-x-1-p/wm-**15-12.htm >> >> 15U x 18" deep: >> >> http://www.falcontech.com/**Wall-Mount-Rack-Middle-** >> Atlantic-8U-19-Inch-x-18-p/wm-**8-18.htm >> >> For cabling, a 12" deep rack will handle most patch panels & switches. >> Putting it up on the wall is a lot simpler and space effective than a >> floor-mounted rack. >> >> HTH, >> >> Lee >> ______________________________**_________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm going to install a new OS (the box has been cranking along on SLES 10), do a regular LAMP install (if not part of the OS install) and then a regular SugarCRM install. Thanks to all. EB On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 16:56 -0500, Don Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > >> @Lee: I'm trying to use the silent upgrade because the sugarcrm upgrade > >> wizard hung because php didn't have zip support running and I couldn't > >> find any way to add that in the sugar-created php setup. > > ... > > >> > > Basic question - is /usr/bin in your path on that system? On most of ours, > > the php executable is here: > > > > $ which php > > /usr/bin/php > > On my Mac, it's at /usr/bin/php; on a BSD system (yours, Lee), it's at > /usr/local/bin... > > --Don Ellis > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From grlugcasey at gmail.com Sat Apr 20 10:25:53 2013 From: grlugcasey at gmail.com (Casey DuBois) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Update on The Warehouse and the GRAND RIVER!!! Message-ID: <318A11E8-406F-40A5-8B94-391BCD088E16@gmail.com> Hello everyone, Thanks for all of your support! The Grand River did come up a little more last night. Baldwin street is still CLOSED and the water is covering all but one lane. I've uploaded some new pictures to my Flickr page feel free to check them out. 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Regards, Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On 04/20/2013 10:25 AM, Casey DuBois wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Thanks for all of your support! >> >> The Grand River did come up a little more last night. >> >> Baldwin street is still CLOSED and the water is covering all but one lane. >> >> I've uploaded some new pictures to my Flickr page feel free to check >> them out. >> >> I'm sending the message from my phone and hoping the link below works >> for you. >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/caseydubois > > Are you going to need any help moving stuff? > > From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 22 12:04:44 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:04:44 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox won't confirm security exception Message-ID: <1366646684.1630.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to access the webconfig page of a new clearos CE. But when I try to make a security exception with Firefox by clicking "Confirm security exception" nothing happens. Firefox 20 on Fedora 17. ?? Thanks. EB From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 22 12:08:14 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:08:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox won't confirm security exception In-Reply-To: <1366646684.1630.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366646684.1630.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1366646894.1630.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> PS: If I uncheck "permanently store exception" it grants the exception for one time. But next time I have to do it again. On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 12:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm trying to access the webconfig page of a new clearos CE. But when I > try to make a security exception with Firefox by clicking "Confirm > security exception" nothing happens. > > Firefox 20 on Fedora 17. > > ?? > > Thanks. > EB > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mfarver at mindbent.org Mon Apr 22 12:13:25 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:13:25 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Firefox won't confirm security exception In-Reply-To: <1366646894.1630.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366646684.1630.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1366646894.1630.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Google this..It seems to be a common problem with Firefox. Most of the fixes seem to advise starting Firefox in safe mode or deleting certificate cache files (cert8.db and cert_override.txt)..... Mark On Apr 22, 2013 12:08 PM, "Eric Beversluis" wrote: > PS: If I uncheck "permanently store exception" it grants the exception > for one time. But next time I have to do it again. > > On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 12:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm trying to access the webconfig page of a new clearos CE. But when I > > try to make a security exception with Firefox by clicking "Confirm > > security exception" nothing happens. > > > > Firefox 20 on Fedora 17. > > > > ?? > > > > Thanks. > > EB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But when I > > try to make a security exception with Firefox by clicking "Confirm > > security exception" nothing happens. > > > > Firefox 20 on Fedora 17. > > > > ?? > > > > Thanks. > > EB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From bob.kline at gmail.com Mon Apr 22 22:34:36 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:34:36 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast Message-ID: Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast stating that the speed has been doubled, "at no additional cost." I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware this until a letter shows up... 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Brad. On Apr 22, 2013 10:34 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast > stating that the speed has been doubled, "at > no additional cost." > > I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware > this until a letter shows up... > > Anyway, in my particular neighborhood it's now > official. > > -- Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megadave at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 00:08:43 2013 From: megadave at gmail.com (Dave Chiodo) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:08:43 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast "no additional cost" Message-ID: Trust me, there is a cost. :P Somewhere, somehow, there is a cost. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bob Kline wrote: > Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast > stating that the speed has been doubled, "at > no additional cost." > > I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware > this until a letter shows up... > > Anyway, in my particular neighborhood it's now > official. > > -- Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From flanderb at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 10:10:05 2013 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is the speed increase only for the upper tiers? I am in Jenison and have the fast(up to 25mbs) service. I just checked and I still get this speed. Just wondering if I should get excited. Realistically 25 is fast enough for everything I do, but faster is always better. Share and Enjoy Ben On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brad DeVries wrote: > I got the same letter last week but I did need to upgrade my > comcast-rented modem. I currently have an old DOCSIS 2 modem, but have > ordered the free upgrade using: > http://www.comcast.com/deviceupgrade/?SCRedirect=true > > I can't wait for the upgrade! > > Brad. > On Apr 22, 2013 10:34 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > >> Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast >> stating that the speed has been doubled, "at >> no additional cost." >> >> I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware >> this until a letter shows up... >> >> Anyway, in my particular neighborhood it's now >> official. >> >> -- Bob >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Realistically 25 is fast enough > for everything I do, but faster is always better. > > Share and Enjoy > Ben > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brad DeVries wrote: > >> I got the same letter last week but I did need to upgrade my >> comcast-rented modem. I currently have an old DOCSIS 2 modem, but have >> ordered the free upgrade using: >> http://www.comcast.com/deviceupgrade/?SCRedirect=true >> >> I can't wait for the upgrade! >> >> Brad. >> On Apr 22, 2013 10:34 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: >> >>> Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast >>> stating that the speed has been doubled, "at >>> no additional cost." >>> >>> I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware >>> this until a letter shows up... >>> >>> Anyway, in my particular neighborhood it's now >>> official. >>> >>> -- Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I will not > complain if they want to increase my speed to either obtain or maintain the > lead. > > Brad. > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > >> Is the speed increase only for the upper tiers? I am in Jenison and have >> the fast(up to 25mbs) service. I just checked and I still get this speed. >> Just wondering if I should get excited. Realistically 25 is fast enough >> for everything I do, but faster is always better. >> >> Share and Enjoy >> Ben >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brad DeVries wrote: >> >>> I got the same letter last week but I did need to upgrade my >>> comcast-rented modem. I currently have an old DOCSIS 2 modem, but have >>> ordered the free upgrade using: >>> http://www.comcast.com/deviceupgrade/?SCRedirect=true >>> >>> I can't wait for the upgrade! >>> >>> Brad. >>> On Apr 22, 2013 10:34 PM, "Bob Kline" wrote: >>> >>>> Just an FYI, I got a letter today from Comcast >>>> stating that the speed has been doubled, "at >>>> no additional cost." >>>> >>>> I'll guess that most of its customers are unaware >>>> this until a letter shows up... >>>> >>>> Anyway, in my particular neighborhood it's now >>>> official. >>>> >>>> -- Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 23 11:24:57 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:24:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1366730697.1675.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 10:40 -0400, Brad DeVries wrote: > Ben, I don't have an upper tier connection here in Hudsonville, > although I feel like it because I pay almost $60/mo, and I just ran 5 > speedtests with the old DOCSIS 2 modem with vastly different results: > I'm not sure how accurate these test are These tests are approaching whichever axis is the 'meaningless' one. But I do generally take someone making a big deal out of a web-site 'speed test' as rather solid evidence that they do not know what they are talking about. Once 'speed test' is mentioned one can comfortably return to one's beverage, you aren't going to miss anything. Meaningful performance metrics are hard, tedious, and full of caveats. Arbitrary, meaningless, and off-the-cuff metrics are easy to do ... but do little other than dilute the conversation and promote pomposity. A meaningful metric must at least be derived from a long-duration sampling as IP throughput tends to be quite wobbly - this is something a web browser cannot accomplish. And to test 'the last mile' the remote node needs to be very very extremely close to, if not at, the other end of your 'last mile'. Gathering SNMP stats for your edge router is probably much more meaningful - what throughput does the interface actually see? Does it hit a ceiling? And Define "speed" - throughput or latency? And throughput to/from where for what traffic pattern? Latency to/from where for what traffic pattern? "speed" is a bogus layman's concept and itself is just not a technically useful term. If you're comfortable with your network's performance - then it has enough 'speed'. From bob.kline at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 11:45:49 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:45:49 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast In-Reply-To: <1366730697.1675.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1366730697.1675.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Adam Tauno Williams < awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 10:40 -0400, Brad DeVries wrote: > > Ben, I don't have an upper tier connection here in Hudsonville, > > although I feel like it because I pay almost $60/mo, and I just ran 5 > > speedtests with the old DOCSIS 2 modem with vastly different results: > > I'm not sure how accurate these test are > > These tests are approaching whichever axis is the 'meaningless' one. > > But I do generally take someone making a big deal out of a web-site > 'speed test' as rather solid evidence that they do not know what they > are talking about. Once 'speed test' is mentioned one can comfortably > return to one's beverage, you aren't going to miss anything. > > Meaningful performance metrics are hard, tedious, and full of caveats. > Arbitrary, meaningless, and off-the-cuff metrics are easy to do ... but > do little other than dilute the conversation and promote pomposity. > > A meaningful metric must at least be derived from a long-duration > sampling as IP throughput tends to be quite wobbly - this is something a > web browser cannot accomplish. And to test 'the last mile' the remote > node needs to be very very extremely close to, if not at, the other end > of your 'last mile'. > > Gathering SNMP stats for your edge router is probably much more > meaningful - what throughput does the interface actually see? Does it > hit a ceiling? > > And Define "speed" - throughput or latency? And throughput to/from > where for what traffic pattern? Latency to/from where for what traffic > pattern? "speed" is a bogus layman's concept and itself is just not a > technically useful term. > Throughput. Obviously there will be time of day, latency, and a server's bandwidth to contend with. No one reasonably expects to get their nominal service speed to all points on the globe at all times of the day. It's the aggregate speed that matters to me. If I have a large file to transfer, I could hardly care whether its done at the nominal speed, or in bursts that are 10X that speed. d=r*t. If I move a 100 MB file in a time that says on average it was 100 Mbps, what else do I really care about? I'll guess that latency depends a lot on what one is doing, but is similarly not under one's direct control. Yes, it would be nice if the Internet was a very uniform beast, and that service speed meant just that, 24/7. But there are times of the day, e.g., 4-6 AM EST, when demand is low, and one gets their service speed and then some. I suppose the 1Gbps Google test city users are occasionally surprised at what that kind of speed actually means in practice. Anyway, until and if the Internet becomes more uniform, one takes some speed when and where they can get it. Technically useful term? Well, if one is suggesting there is no such thing as actual transfer speed, then I guess I'm simply left with the illusion there is such a thing...... > If you're comfortable with your network's performance - then it has > enough 'speed'. > > Uhm, ya, but one has to put a label on it when they order a service. "I just want a speed I'm comfortable with" doesn't help a whole lot. -- Bob > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 20:07:35 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:07:35 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast In-Reply-To: References: <1366730697.1675.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Adam Tauno Williams > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 10:40 -0400, Brad DeVries wrote: ... >> If you're comfortable with your network's performance - then it has >> enough 'speed'. >> > Uhm, ya, but one has to put a label on it > when they order a service. "I just want a > speed I'm comfortable with" doesn't help > a whole lot. I ran a couple of the popular internet speed tests on a neighbor's Cricket connection, which indicated my neighbor wasn't getting anywhere near the 3Mbps speed advertised. My neighbors are comfortable with that, though I think they would be more comfortable with something closer to what they are paying for. I do believe that the speed tests perform a useful function, though not as much as we would like. --Don Ellis From nivardus at gmail.com Wed Apr 24 19:26:53 2013 From: nivardus at gmail.com (nivardus) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:26:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Letter from Comcast In-Reply-To: References: <1366730697.1675.13.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: Incidentally, I placed an order for Comcast's 50 Mbps residential service just today. AT&T wanted a few dollars less for half the speed and had no higher speed offerings. I haven't heard anyone offer local statistics on this tier, so I'll toss some over here when my service is active. I'm glad to see some vaguely modern speeds come to metro GR, even if they're just advertised values. For what it's worth, U-Verse installation is completely free with most new customers, while Comcast wants $10 to mail a CD, $25 for 2 day shipping (I have a modem already.) -Ben G. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Adam Tauno Williams > > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 10:40 -0400, Brad DeVries wrote: > > ... > > >> If you're comfortable with your network's performance - then it has > >> enough 'speed'. > >> > > Uhm, ya, but one has to put a label on it > > when they order a service. "I just want a > > speed I'm comfortable with" doesn't help > > a whole lot. > > I ran a couple of the popular internet speed tests on a neighbor's > Cricket connection, which indicated my neighbor wasn't getting > anywhere near the 3Mbps speed advertised. My neighbors are comfortable > with that, though I think they would be more comfortable with > something closer to what they are paying for. > > I do believe that the speed tests perform a useful function, though > not as much as we would like. > > --Don Ellis > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Apr 25 14:19:59 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:19:59 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] SugarCRM install: set AllowOverride query Message-ID: <1366913999.2005.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> The installation instructions for the CE of SugarCRM say, "Before you install Sugar, set AllowOverride to All for the Sugar installation directory in the httpd.conf file." But there is no such directory before SugarCRM is installed. Does one have to create it manually before proceeding with the install? From brousch at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 14:27:33 2013 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:27:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] SugarCRM install: set AllowOverride query In-Reply-To: <1366913999.2005.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366913999.2005.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: That is part of your Apache installation. It's typically at something like /etc/apache2/httpd.conf On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > The installation instructions for the CE of SugarCRM say, > "Before you install Sugar, set AllowOverride to All for the Sugar > installation directory in the httpd.conf file." > > But there is no such directory before SugarCRM is installed. Does one > have to create it manually before proceeding with the install? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ben Rousch brousch at gmail.com http://clusterbleep.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Apr 25 15:07:01 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:07:01 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] SugarCRM install: set AllowOverride query In-Reply-To: References: <1366913999.2005.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1366916821.2005.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've found the file. My question is whether I have to go in and manually create the Sugar installation directory at this point. The instructions seem to assume that it exists, which it doesn't. On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 14:27 -0400, Ben Rousch wrote: > That is part of your Apache installation. It's typically at something > like /etc/apache2/httpd.conf > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Beversluis > wrote: > The installation instructions for the CE of SugarCRM say, > "Before you install Sugar, set AllowOverride to All for the > Sugar > installation directory in the httpd.conf file." > > But there is no such directory before SugarCRM is installed. > Does one > have to create it manually before proceeding with the install? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > -- > Ben Rousch > brousch at gmail.com > http://clusterbleep.net/ > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 17:20:15 2013 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:20:15 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Test message Message-ID: <51799E0F.6070507@gmail.com> Someone just gave me a call asking if the mailserver was down; they're trying to send a message to the list. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That from here on out, nature stops deciding who survives and who doesn't, but our own decisions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Thu Apr 25 17:42:30 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:42:30 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] SugarCRM install: set AllowOverride query In-Reply-To: <1366916821.2005.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1366913999.2005.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1366916821.2005.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1366926150.1634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well I went ahead and installed SugarCRM without doing anything about the Override, and afterwards went in and set AllowOverride for the entire /var/www/html directory. SugarCRM is all that will be operating in tht directory anyway. Then I went and fixed the Sugar .htaccess file to look like the one in the installation instructions. Seems to be working OK. On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 15:07 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I've found the file. My question is whether I have to go in and manually > create the Sugar installation directory at this point. The instructions > seem to assume that it exists, which it doesn't. > On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 14:27 -0400, Ben Rousch wrote: > > That is part of your Apache installation. It's typically at something > > like /etc/apache2/httpd.conf > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Beversluis > > wrote: > > The installation instructions for the CE of SugarCRM say, > > "Before you install Sugar, set AllowOverride to All for the > > Sugar > > installation directory in the httpd.conf file." > > > > But there is no such directory before SugarCRM is installed. > > Does one > > have to create it manually before proceeding with the install? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Rousch > > brousch at gmail.com > > http://clusterbleep.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From casey at grlug.org Fri Apr 26 10:30:35 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:30:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Test message In-Reply-To: <51799E0F.6070507@gmail.com> References: <51799E0F.6070507@gmail.com> Message-ID: They need to be registered for the list first and the approval process has been a little behind. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > Someone just gave me a call asking if the mailserver was down; they're > trying to send a message to the list. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Apr 26 12:24:20 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Accessing hosed ntfs partition Message-ID: Trying to recover files from a laptop for a frend, .. fdisk -l shows three partitions, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, & /dev/sda3. sda2 is the HP recovery partition (can be mounted), sda3 is a tiny boot partition, and sda1 is the main filesystem. Trying to mount it (ntfs-3g) returns "No such file or directory", .. ntfsfix reports "failed to startup volume" as does ntfsinfo. Have never seen a partition that could not be accessed with ntfs toold, does anyone have any suggestions for retrieving files? Thanks! Lee From moosebriard at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 13:03:46 2013 From: moosebriard at gmail.com (moosebriard) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:03:46 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Accessing hosed ntfs partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have successfully used testdisk to recover files from unbootable drives. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Trying to recover files from a laptop for a frend, .. > > fdisk -l shows three partitions, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, & /dev/sda3. sda2 > is the HP recovery partition (can be mounted), sda3 is a tiny boot > partition, and sda1 is the main filesystem. > > Trying to mount it (ntfs-3g) returns "No such file or directory", .. > ntfsfix reports "failed to startup volume" as does ntfsinfo. > > Have never seen a partition that could not be accessed with ntfs toold, > does anyone have any suggestions for retrieving files? > > Thanks! > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Apr 26 13:23:18 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:23:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Accessing hosed ntfs partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, moosebriard wrote: > I have successfully used testdisk to recover files from unbootable drives. > Bingo!! Unfortunatley, it still returns "No such file or directory". I will try testdisk again, as there was one probe question about Vista that I did not use. Thanks! Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 14:17:16 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:17:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update Message-ID: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that one when it says it's reading php.ini. Any ideas? Thanks. From binki at gentoo.org Fri Apr 26 14:40:35 2013 From: binki at gentoo.org (Nathan Phillip Brink) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:40:35 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130426184033.GZ15291@ohnopublishing.net> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:17:16PM -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > Any ideas? Since you didn?t mention it explicitly, though I?d be surprised if the issue is this simple: Oftentimes the default values for things like memory_limit and upload_max_filesize are written in the php.ini but commented out. Did you uncomment (remove the semicolon from) the lines when updating them? -- binki Look out for missing or extraneous apostrophes! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Apr 26 14:40:27 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:40:27 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:17 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. You've verified that "/etc/php.ini" is the 'correct' PHP INI file? That is the value displayed by phpinfo() under "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > Any ideas? You can override php.ini settings in either the vhost definition or in the .htaccess file. Is that happening? You can even override values in the PHP code itself [via ini_set(...), or some such] -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 14:44:47 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:47 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <20130426184033.GZ15291@ohnopublishing.net> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20130426184033.GZ15291@ohnopublishing.net> Message-ID: <1367001887.1624.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 18:40 +0000, Nathan Phillip Brink wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:17:16PM -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > > > Any ideas? > > Since you didn?t mention it explicitly, though I?d be surprised if the > issue is this simple: Oftentimes the default values for things like > memory_limit and upload_max_filesize are written in the php.ini but > commented out. Did you uncomment (remove the semicolon from) the lines > when updating them? Interesting suggestion, but no semicolons on those lines. Is the correct syntax '30M' or '30MB'? I think the original was '30M' Thanks. From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 14:47:54 2013 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:47:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367001887.1624.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20130426184033.GZ15291@ohnopublishing.net> <1367001887.1624.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Check your phpInfo() to see the path to your php.ini file. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Eric Beversluis < ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 18:40 +0000, Nathan Phillip Brink wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:17:16PM -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > > > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > > > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > > > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not > showing > > > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > > > > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > > > > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > > > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading > that > > > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Since you didn?t mention it explicitly, though I?d be surprised if the > > issue is this simple: Oftentimes the default values for things like > > memory_limit and upload_max_filesize are written in the php.ini but > > commented out. Did you uncomment (remove the semicolon from) the lines > > when updating them? > Interesting suggestion, but no semicolons on those lines. > Is the correct syntax '30M' or '30MB'? I think the original was '30M' > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Roger Roger Roelofs Know what you value. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 15:04:33 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:04:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:17 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > You've verified that "/etc/php.ini" is the 'correct' PHP INI file? That > is the value displayed by phpinfo() under "Configuration File (php.ini) > Path" Yup. > > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > Any ideas? > > You can override php.ini settings in either the vhost definition or in > the .htaccess file. Is that happening? You can even override values in > the PHP code itself [via ini_set(...), or some such] > .htaccess seems innocent, as far as I can tell: # BEGIN SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS RedirectMatch 403 .*\.log$ RedirectMatch 403 /+not_imported_.*\.txt RedirectMatch 403 /+(soap|cache|xtemplate|data|examples|include|log4php| metadata|modules)/+.*\.(php|tpl) RedirectMatch 403 /+emailmandelivery\.php RedirectMatch 403 /+cache/+upload RedirectMatch 403 /+files\.md5$ # END SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS Is vhost definition in httpd.conf? A grep of that did not show any 'upload'. I also checked possible files in conf.d and didn't see anything. Thanks. From patrick at upmerchants.com Fri Apr 26 15:25:20 2013 From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:25:20 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Accessing hosed ntfs partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517AD4A0.7050100@upmerchants.com> Get a copy of puppy linux and try that. It should provide automounting all of the /dev/sdax partitions and you can then copy what need from it to somewhere else. I think sda3 is the partition that contains the recovery programs when you hit the F10 / F11/F? whatever key it is.for HP computers. If that does not work and you definitely need some data off of the disk do NOT try to do anything else. There are plenty of free software data recovery live cd's available, let me know what you need and I can recommend something.. On 04/26/2013 12:24 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Trying to recover files from a laptop for a frend, .. > > fdisk -l shows three partitions, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2,& /dev/sda3. sda2 > is the HP recovery partition (can be mounted), sda3 is a tiny boot > partition, and sda1 is the main filesystem. > > Trying to mount it (ntfs-3g) returns "No such file or directory", .. > ntfsfix reports "failed to startup volume" as does ntfsinfo. > > Have never seen a partition that could not be accessed with ntfs toold, > does anyone have any suggestions for retrieving files? > > Thanks! > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > -- Patrick Goupell Are you free? Find out at http://www.sedm.org/ Income taxes? Find out at http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 15:44:54 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:44:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 15:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:17 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > > > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > > > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > > > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > > > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > > > You've verified that "/etc/php.ini" is the 'correct' PHP INI file? That > > is the value displayed by phpinfo() under "Configuration File (php.ini) > > Path" > Yup. > > > > > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > > > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > > > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > > Any ideas? > > > > You can override php.ini settings in either the vhost definition or in > > the .htaccess file. Is that happening? You can even override values in > > the PHP code itself [via ini_set(...), or some such] > > > .htaccess seems innocent, as far as I can tell: > > # BEGIN SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS > RedirectMatch 403 .*\.log$ > RedirectMatch 403 /+not_imported_.*\.txt > RedirectMatch 403 /+(soap|cache|xtemplate|data|examples|include|log4php| > metadata|modules)/+.*\.(php|tpl) > RedirectMatch 403 /+emailmandelivery\.php > RedirectMatch 403 /+cache/+upload > RedirectMatch 403 /+files\.md5$ > # END SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS > > Is vhost definition in httpd.conf? A grep of that did not show any > 'upload'. > > I also checked possible files in conf.d and didn't see anything. > Thanks. I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and it worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was using? From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 16:33:57 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:33:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 15:44 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 15:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:17 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > > > I'm trying to update my php.ini file on a clearos CE server. I've gone > > > > into /etc/php.ini and changed upload_max_file size to 30M and > > > > memory_limit to 700M, with vi. I've checked back a couple of times with > > > > cat and the values in the file are correct. But phpinfo() is not showing > > > > the new values and my SugarCRM keeps prompting me to change them. > > > > I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file. > > > > > > You've verified that "/etc/php.ini" is the 'correct' PHP INI file? That > > > is the value displayed by phpinfo() under "Configuration File (php.ini) > > > Path" > > Yup. > > > > > > > > > I'm working with a copy of the original php.ini file with the old one > > > > renamed to Xphp.ini-bak. Presumably apache/php is not still reading that > > > > one when it says it's reading php.ini. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > You can override php.ini settings in either the vhost definition or in > > > the .htaccess file. Is that happening? You can even override values in > > > the PHP code itself [via ini_set(...), or some such] > > > > > .htaccess seems innocent, as far as I can tell: > > > > # BEGIN SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS > > RedirectMatch 403 .*\.log$ > > RedirectMatch 403 /+not_imported_.*\.txt > > RedirectMatch 403 /+(soap|cache|xtemplate|data|examples|include|log4php| > > metadata|modules)/+.*\.(php|tpl) > > RedirectMatch 403 /+emailmandelivery\.php > > RedirectMatch 403 /+cache/+upload > > RedirectMatch 403 /+files\.md5$ > > # END SUGARCRM RESTRICTIONS > > > > Is vhost definition in httpd.conf? A grep of that did not show any > > 'upload'. > > > > I also checked possible files in conf.d and didn't see anything. > > Thanks. > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and it > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was > using? > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that apache was using? From awilliam at whitemice.org Fri Apr 26 16:40:12 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:40:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and it > > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was > > using? > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that > apache was using? If you still have both do a diff and see what the differences are. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From ebever at researchintegration.org Fri Apr 26 21:33:02 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:33:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 16:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and it > > > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was > > > using? > > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or > > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web > > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that > > apache was using? > > If you still have both do a diff and see what the differences are. > The only difference that seems significant to me is that I uncommented a variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather than changing it further down where it is actually set, not realizing that where I found it wasn't the place to set it. So that still leave me with my question, why did it run with the old settings rather than just crash? From roger.roelofs at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 22:31:00 2013 From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:31:00 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Is there any chance you didn't restart Apache after each change? On Apr 26, 2013 9:33 PM, "Eric Beversluis" wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 16:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and > it > > > > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I > was > > > > using? > > > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or > > > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web > > > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that > > > apache was using? > > > > If you still have both do a diff and see what the differences are. > > > The only difference that seems significant to me is that I uncommented a > variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather than > changing it further down where it is actually set, not realizing that > where I found it wasn't the place to set it. > > So that still leave me with my question, why did it run with the old > settings rather than just crash? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 22:31 -0400, Roger Roelofs wrote: > Is there any chance you didn't restart Apache after each change? > > On Apr 26, 2013 9:33 PM, "Eric Beversluis" > wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 16:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the > changes there, and it > > > > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied > php.ini file I was > > > > using? > > > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't > apache crash or > > > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the > sugarcrm web > > > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini > somewhere that > > > apache was using? > > > > If you still have both do a diff and see what the > differences are. > > > The only difference that seems significant to me is that I > uncommented a > variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather > than > changing it further down where it is actually set, not > realizing that > where I found it wasn't the place to set it. > > So that still leave me with my question, why did it run with > the old > settings rather than just crash? > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From binki at gentoo.org Sat Apr 27 12:05:44 2013 From: binki at gentoo.org (Nathan Phillip Brink) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:05:44 +0000 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130427160544.GA15291@ohnopublishing.net> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 09:33:02PM -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 16:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > > I restored Xphp.ini-bak to /etc/php.ini, made the changes there, and it > > > > worked. So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was > > > > using? > > > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or > > > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web > > > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that > > > apache was using? > > > > If you still have both do a diff and see what the differences are. > > > The only difference that seems significant to me is that I uncommented a > variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather than > changing it further down where it is actually set, not realizing that > where I found it wasn't the place to set it. > > So that still leave me with my question, why did it run with the old > settings rather than just crash? Did you check apache?s error_log for information from PHP? I think the default setup would be for php?s errors to go there. What I expected to happen and what appears to be happening can be observed by by quickly poking around with my PHP?s CLI. I uncommented the entire ?variables_order? paragraph in the ?Quick Reference Section? of my CLI php.ini and got the following: ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ php -a PHP: syntax error, unexpected '"' in /etc/php/cli-php5.4/php.ini on line 175 Interactive shell php > echo ini_get('upload_max_filesize') . PHP_EOL; 2M php > exit ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ grep -e max_filesize /etc/php/cli-php5.4/php.ini upload_max_filesize = 20M ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ # as root I fixed the directive ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ php -a Interactive shell php > echo ini_get('upload_max_filesize') . PHP_EOL; 20M The original values in your php.ini were the defaults from the PHP installation. You can see the default for upload_max_filesize at http://docs.php.net/upload-max-filesize (scroll up to the ?File Uploads? section heading under which this setting is grouped). The parsing error was so bad that PHP was unwilling to parse the rest of the php.ini file in question. The error message, which the CLI writes to stderr, was (likely) written to apache?s error_log?not to the browser. I suggest that you experiment a bit more with php.ini. Put the syntax error back in on purpose, restart apache, and then look in your logs for the syntax error message. I was able to find ?PHP: syntax error, unexpected '"' in /etc/php/apache2-php5.4/php.ini on line 136? in my error_log when purposefully creating a syntax error there. This would have led you straight to the problem line in the .ini and helped you avoid a lot of trouble ;-). 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So something must have corrupted the copied php.ini file I was > > > > > using? > > > > Curious: if the php.ini file was corrupted, why didn't apache crash or > > > > at least, php (and hence the webconfig page and the sugarcrm web > > > > interface) crash? Is there a cached version of php.ini somewhere that > > > > apache was using? > > > > > > If you still have both do a diff and see what the differences are. > > > > > The only difference that seems significant to me is that I uncommented a > > variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather than > > changing it further down where it is actually set, not realizing that > > where I found it wasn't the place to set it. > > > > So that still leave me with my question, why did it run with the old > > settings rather than just crash? > > Did you check apache?s error_log for information from PHP? I think the > default setup would be for php?s errors to go there. > > What I expected to happen and what appears to be happening can be > observed by by quickly poking around with my PHP?s CLI. I uncommented > the entire ?variables_order? paragraph in the ?Quick Reference > Section? of my CLI php.ini and got the following: > > ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ php -a > PHP: syntax error, unexpected '"' in /etc/php/cli-php5.4/php.ini on line 175 > Interactive shell > > php > echo ini_get('upload_max_filesize') . PHP_EOL; > 2M > php > exit > ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ grep -e max_filesize /etc/php/cli-php5.4/php.ini > upload_max_filesize = 20M > ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ # as root I fixed the directive > ohnobinki at ohnopublishing /tmp/check-0.9.10 $ php -a > Interactive shell > > php > echo ini_get('upload_max_filesize') . PHP_EOL; > 20M > > The original values in your php.ini were the defaults from the PHP > installation. You can see the default for upload_max_filesize at > http://docs.php.net/upload-max-filesize (scroll up to the ?File > Uploads? section heading under which this setting is grouped). The > parsing error was so bad that PHP was unwilling to parse the rest of > the php.ini file in question. The error message, which the CLI writes > to stderr, was (likely) written to apache?s error_log?not to the > browser. > > I suggest that you experiment a bit more with php.ini. Put the syntax > error back in on purpose, restart apache, and then look in your logs > for the syntax error message. I was able to find ?PHP: syntax error, > unexpected '"' in /etc/php/apache2-php5.4/php.ini on line 136? in my > error_log when purposefully creating a syntax error there. This would > have led you straight to the problem line in the .ini and helped you > avoid a lot of trouble ;-). If you cannot find these errors, > double-check the value of your php.ini?s error_log directive and also > that its log_errors directive is ?On?. > Good tips. Thanks. So there are built-in defaults which obtain if php.ini doesn't work. That's the particular thing I was wondering about. Thanks for the tips about where to find error info. From awilliam at whitemice.org Sat Apr 27 13:29:56 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:29:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367066172.1672.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367066172.1672.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1367083796.5126.17.camel@linux-22wg.site> On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 08:36 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > From my initial posting of this topic: > "I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file." Ok > >> If you still have both do a diff and see what the > >>differences are. > >The only difference that seems significant to me is that I > >uncommented a > >variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather > >than > >changing it further down where it is actually set, not > >realizing that where I found it wasn't the place to set it. But here you are making a serious tactical error: "The only difference ****that >>>>seems<<<< significant to >>>>me<<<<****". Use the tools! I might make a tee-shirt that says that... The diff tool is installed, I believe, by default [or nearly] on any UNIX host. diff the old and new files to see the total of the *actual* differences between the files; I speak from long experience, using the available tools will help avoid the many problems resulting from 'apparent significance'. If you or I can look at something and NOT SEE the *significant* difference than either (a) we are looking at the wrong thing [aka - something else changed] or (b) our 'significance filter' is getting in the way. It could be weird line breaks, a missing comment symbol you've overlooked, non-printable characters, or some other change you forgot about - some of those changes may not even be visible when staring at the file [especially for the 100th time]. But diff will tell you that A is different from B in these 1-2-3.. ways. That computers are too stupid to give a whit about 'significance' is a feature, not a bug; our ventromedial cortex's signal tagging is awesome when spotting the 500lb dirk cat crouching in the bushes and about to make a meal out of you and your cave family [picked out and highlighted from all the other myriad non-threatening things we see at the same time, and immediately forget about / overlook] - but is *sucks* when it comes to sitting at a desk and staring at config files. If diff was sitting next to you on that rock - he'd be dinner. Fortunately, no one has sighted a dirk cat in /usr/bin for a very long time. -- Adam Tauno Williams From ebever at researchintegration.org Sat Apr 27 13:52:37 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:52:37 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] php.ini won't update In-Reply-To: <1367083796.5126.17.camel@linux-22wg.site> References: <1367000236.1624.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367001627.11234.3.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367003073.1624.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367005494.1624.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008437.1679.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367008812.11234.4.camel@linux-86wr.site> <1367026382.1679.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367066172.1672.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1367083796.5126.17.camel@linux-22wg.site> Message-ID: <1367085157.1635.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 13:29 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 08:36 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote: > > From my initial posting of this topic: > > "I've restarted apache and restarted the server several times. That > > hasn't helped. Checking Loaded Configuration File indicates that in > > fact /etc/php.ini is the loaded file." > > Ok > > > >> If you still have both do a diff and see what the > > >>differences are. > > >The only difference that seems significant to me is that I > > >uncommented a > > >variables_order option in the "Quick Reference Section" rather > > >than > > >changing it further down where it is actually set, not > > >realizing that where I found it wasn't the place to set it. > > But here you are making a serious tactical error: "The only difference > ****that >>>>seems<<<< significant to >>>>me<<<<****". > > Use the tools! I might make a tee-shirt that says that... > > The diff tool is installed, I believe, by default [or nearly] on any > UNIX host. diff the old and new files to see the total of the > *actual* > differences between the files; I speak from long experience, using the > available tools will help avoid the many problems resulting from > 'apparent significance'. If you or I can look at something and NOT > SEE > the *significant* difference than either (a) we are looking at the > wrong > thing [aka - something else changed] or (b) our 'significance filter' > is > getting in the way. It could be weird line breaks, a missing comment > symbol you've overlooked, non-printable characters, or some other > change > you forgot about - some of those changes may not even be visible when > staring at the file [especially for the 100th time]. But diff will > tell > you that A is different from B in these 1-2-3.. ways. That computers > are too stupid to give a whit about 'significance' is a feature, not a > bug; our ventromedial cortex's signal tagging is awesome when spotting > the 500lb dirk cat crouching in the bushes and about to make a meal > out > of you and your cave family [picked out and highlighted from all the > other myriad non-threatening things we see at the same time, and > immediately forget about / overlook] - but is *sucks* when it comes to > sitting at a desk and staring at config files. If diff was sitting > next > to you on that rock - he'd be dinner. Fortunately, no one has sighted > a > dirk cat in /usr/bin for a very long time. > I did look at all the diffs. Since I didn't have to fix the file, having reverted to the original, I was just hypothesizing that this change was the problem. Next time I'll know to check the logs as Nathan suggests. 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For PHP one nice trick is : php -r 'print_r(ini_get_all());' Save the results of that to a file so you can compare it to the results later. It is a *@^*&$^*&H@ when an upgrade changes an *implied* default; unless implied defaults are documented you sit there baffled by why things are broken. [aside: this is like "testparm --verbose" for Samba, it dumps your config and all the implied defaults, a handy trick for discovering when releases change the *implied* defaults] From desertfrag at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 11:17:24 2013 From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRLUG] can't login Message-ID: <1367162244.84561.YahooMailNeo@web162403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm trying to login to my CentOS 6.4 server remotely over ssh and can do so ONLY if I login to the server AT the server first. ?What should I be looking at to get this resolved? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From don.ellis at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 16:22:16 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:22:16 -0500 Subject: [GRLUG] modems etc In-Reply-To: <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> References: <5169D1F3.9000207@codeventure.net> <5169EF71.1040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't been to Micro Center yet to ask a floor rep, but looked on the Web site, finding these responses: http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=docsis&N= I don't particularly want a router tied into the modem for $10 extra (router fails, so you lose your modem), so I'm just looking at the modem-only items (Zoom & Linksys, $30 difference). Using the compare feature, I noticed a lot of N/A entries for the Linksys, and some seem inconsistent (ex: Linksys has N/A for Network Data Transfer Rate, while Zoom shows 10,100,1000). Interesting that the Linksys indicates twice the downlink rate, while the Zoom shows twice the uplink rate. How many on this list have experience with both these modems (or either), and just how significant are the differences? (especially, are the differences worth $30 in the Linksys's favor?) [I figure that, before I ask the sales person if Charter will work with a user-provided DOCSIS 3, I should know what they have and which one I would want.] --Don Ellis On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Joseph VanDerStelt wrote: > Charter Rep Here! > > With Charters "new" 30/4Mbps internet package we now require the customer to > have a Charter provided DOCSIS 3.0 modem. However, we no longer charge a > modem lease fee. The standard rate for the 30Mbps service is 54.99 alone, or > 49.99 when bundled with phone or TV. As far as I know the self provisioning > will not allow for non-Charter provided modems to be provisioned but I > cannot promise that is true. I have seen customer accounts where the MAC ID > for the modem we provided was not responding and at deeper look there was a > different device/MAC ID provisioned and their internet seemed to be > functioning fine. If you do purchase a modem (and assuming your on the new > internet package, as the legacy package will allow customer owned modems) > let me know if you are able to get it provisioned. > > > On 4/13/2013 6:12 PM, Don Ellis wrote: >> >> I had heard some time ago that our cable provider (Charter) would >> require a new DOCSIS3 to be procured through the Cable Company, but I >> didn't believe it, and would be willing to try buying one and >> returning it to MicroCenter with a complaint if it turned out to be >> true. I prefer to own my own equipment these days, contrary to their >> promise that leasing is better than owning. Haven't had enough >> failures or other troubles to justify continuing long-term payments on >> top of the base rates. >> >> I have not yet upgraded [most of] my APs - just the main one that I >> use as a router, which is a relatively new D-Link. The WRT54G I use at >> the other end of the house doesn't seem to be a bottleneck. For the >> most part I use hard connections for security reasons. At that end, I >> seem to not be getting GigaBIt speeds on several links, which I plan >> to diagnose and see if I can correct. >> >> --Don Ellis ... From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 29 19:25:30 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? Message-ID: Finally getting the bug to move to VOIP here in the shop, .. I can build an Asterisk system, NP, but need HW with things like analog extensions (one or two). Can anyone recommend a basic end Asterisk IP PBX? Every time I try to look at h/w online there is absolutely no info on things like the web UI. Thanks! Lee From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 29 20:05:14 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1367280314.1651.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Let me talk to you about the CyberAccess Edge (www.cyberacc.com)--or better, have Bill Vasu, the president, talk to you. The Edgebox lets you handle several land lines/analogue extensions and/or several VOIP lines (SIP trunks), integrate them into one system, manage all your office extensions, forward calls to cell phones, etc. All from a quite elegant Webconfig interface. Throws in mail server, webserver and file server. All Asterisk & Linux based. Comes in different sizes depending on enterprise needs. We aim to package this with a bunch of office productivity suites, but also have clients who just use the phone capacities of the Edgebox. EB On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 18:25 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Finally getting the bug to move to VOIP here in the shop, .. I can build > an Asterisk system, NP, but need HW with things like analog extensions > (one or two). > > Can anyone recommend a basic end Asterisk IP PBX? Every time I try to > look at h/w online there is absolutely no info on things like the web UI. > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From ebever at researchintegration.org Mon Apr 29 21:50:39 2013 From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1367286639.1651.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Lee, your email is not accepting my reply. EB On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 18:25 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Finally getting the bug to move to VOIP here in the shop, .. I can build > an Asterisk system, NP, but need HW with things like analog extensions > (one or two). > > Can anyone recommend a basic end Asterisk IP PBX? Every time I try to > look at h/w online there is absolutely no info on things like the web UI. > > Thanks! > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From scott.tanner at comcast.net Mon Apr 29 23:32:24 2013 From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1013124877.115188.1367292744065.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I inherited an Altigen PBX Server last year; its in a 4U chassis with several line cards. I never powered it up and I'm not sure if any of the hardware is compatible with Asterisk ( and its probably old enough to legally drive in most states ) but your welcome to it! Regards, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lammert, L. V." To: "GRLUG" Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:25:30 PM Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? Finally getting the bug to move to VOIP here in the shop, .. I can build an Asterisk system, NP, but need HW with things like analog extensions (one or two). Can anyone recommend a basic end Asterisk IP PBX? Every time I try to look at h/w online there is absolutely no info on things like the web UI. Thanks! Lee _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1013124877.115188.1367292744065.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1013124877.115188.1367292744065.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 scott.tanner at comcast.net wrote: > I inherited an Altigen PBX Server last year; its in a 4U chassis with > several line cards. I never powered it up and I'm not sure if any of the > hardware is compatible with Asterisk ( and its probably old enough to > legally drive in most states ) but your welcome to it! > > Regards, > Scott > Hi Scott, Thanks for the offer, .. but we would not have any room for something that big. Looking for more something on the order of a small router size, .. as we only need one or two analog lines; incoming and phones will be SIP. Lee From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Apr 29 23:46:40 2013 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? In-Reply-To: <1367286639.1651.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1367286639.1651.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Eric Beversluis wrote: > Lee, your email is not accepting my reply. > EB > Eric, Looks like you server at omnis was blacklisted here in 2008, .. fixed. Thanks! Lee From rlauzon at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 05:20:12 2013 From: rlauzon at gmail.com (Ron Lauzon) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:20:12 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The last time I had a UPS blow, I found that, for the consumer-grade UPSs, 99% of the cost of the UPS was the battery. So it was simply cheaper to get a new UPS. Repairing the old UPS was actually more expensive. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, wrote: > Can anyone recommend a local company to repair a failed APC UPS? I had > one die last weekend and its currently only used in my personal test > network at work, so its not likely to get replaced. The batteries are > fine, so its probably a more serious issue. > > > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/ Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/ DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some sort of job." - Ann Coulter Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001 Running Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The batteries are > fine, so its probably a more serious issue. > > > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 09:26:58 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:26:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: To the point, has anyone seen a UPS unit with a set of external terminals that one can use to attach their own batteries? Say an inverter with the ability to switch between mains electricity and the battery? -- Bob On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Ron Lauzon wrote: > The last time I had a UPS blow, I found that, for the consumer-grade UPSs, > 99% of the cost of the UPS was the battery. So it was simply cheaper to > get a new UPS. > Repairing the old UPS was actually more expensive. > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a local company to repair a failed APC UPS? I had >> one die last weekend and its currently only used in my personal test >> network at work, so its not likely to get replaced. The batteries are >> fine, so its probably a more serious issue. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org > Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/ > Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/ > > DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening > > "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in > audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some > sort of job." - Ann Coulter > > Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001 > Running Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64 > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Apr 30 09:35:53 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:35:53 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Some of the larger APC smartups have a two pole connector for adding additional battery modules. Or just extend the wires from the internal battery. You'll probably need an external charger, since the UPS's own charger will not have enough capacity for a larger battery. Also note that many units are underbuilt and will not supply rated power continuously. The manufacturer assumes the unit will only have to deliver rated power until the small battery is depleted, then the unit will have time to cool off. Inverters with a built in transfer switch and high wattage output are common in the RV industry. They deliver excellent power quality but are expensive. Some may not switch fast enough to prevent a reboot. Mark On Apr 30, 2013 9:27 AM, "Bob Kline" wrote: > To the point, has anyone seen a UPS > unit with a set of external terminals that > one can use to attach their own batteries? > > Say an inverter with the ability to switch > between mains electricity and the battery? > > -- Bob > > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Ron Lauzon wrote: > >> The last time I had a UPS blow, I found that, for the consumer-grade >> UPSs, 99% of the cost of the UPS was the battery. So it was simply cheaper >> to get a new UPS. >> Repairing the old UPS was actually more expensive. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, wrote: >> >>> Can anyone recommend a local company to repair a failed APC UPS? I had >>> one die last weekend and its currently only used in my personal test >>> network at work, so its not likely to get replaced. The batteries are >>> fine, so its probably a more serious issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Scott >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org >> Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/ >> Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/ >> >> DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening >> >> "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in >> audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some >> sort of job." - Ann Coulter >> >> Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001 >> Running Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at wesorick.com Tue Apr 30 09:38:42 2013 From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:38:42 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Bob, there are a lot of UPSs that you can add external batteries to. Usually they are more expensive models though. You generally have to buy their model/brand of battery though. There are also a lot of UPSs that allow you to switch from mains to battery without loss of power. A Liebert I had actually had the power input/output as a module, so you can take the whole UPS out (leaving just the module and running off mains) without disrupting power, assuming nothing happens to your mains. If you mean one that you can also attach a car battery, phone battery, or some rechargeable AA's you have laying around, etc. then I have never heard of that. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > To the point, has anyone seen a UPS > unit with a set of external terminals that > one can use to attach their own batteries? > > Say an inverter with the ability to switch > between mains electricity and the battery? > > -- Bob > > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Ron Lauzon wrote: > >> The last time I had a UPS blow, I found that, for the consumer-grade >> UPSs, 99% of the cost of the UPS was the battery. So it was simply cheaper >> to get a new UPS. >> Repairing the old UPS was actually more expensive. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, wrote: >> >>> Can anyone recommend a local company to repair a failed APC UPS? I had >>> one die last weekend and its currently only used in my personal test >>> network at work, so its not likely to get replaced. The batteries are >>> fine, so its probably a more serious issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Scott >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org >> Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/ >> Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/ >> >> DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening >> >> "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in >> audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some >> sort of job." - Ann Coulter >> >> Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001 >> Running Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.kline at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 09:49:19 2013 From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:49:19 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I was getting at the last sentence - a car battery or deep discharge marine battery. But as I recently learned, one has to be careful about the type of battery. A deep discharge marine battery is made to be taken way down. But attach one to a common inverter, and once the battery voltage goes down a few volts the inverter doesn't have enough overhead and stops working. A car battery won't be much different if used on its own. I suspect the actual solution will be rather more expensive. One could imagine two batteries in series, with a regulator, which would then dissipate a lot of the energy in dropping the voltage so the inverter can use it. Or a built in switching mechanism that will go from battery to battery. Of course UPS's are really designed just to give your computers time to shut down in an orderly fashion, so perhaps all of this is beside the point, and the reason no one offers a UPS with more endurance. -- Bob On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:38 AM, John Wesorick wrote: > Bob, there are a lot of UPSs that you can add external batteries to. > Usually they are more expensive models though. You generally have to buy > their model/brand of battery though. There are also a lot of UPSs that > allow you to switch from mains to battery without loss of power. A Liebert > I had actually had the power input/output as a module, so you can take the > whole UPS out (leaving just the module and running off mains) without > disrupting power, assuming nothing happens to your mains. If you mean one > that you can also attach a car battery, phone battery, or some rechargeable > AA's you have laying around, etc. then I have never heard of that. > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > >> To the point, has anyone seen a UPS >> unit with a set of external terminals that >> one can use to attach their own batteries? >> >> Say an inverter with the ability to switch >> between mains electricity and the battery? >> >> -- Bob >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Ron Lauzon wrote: >> >>> The last time I had a UPS blow, I found that, for the consumer-grade >>> UPSs, 99% of the cost of the UPS was the battery. So it was simply cheaper >>> to get a new UPS. >>> Repairing the old UPS was actually more expensive. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone recommend a local company to repair a failed APC UPS? I >>>> had one die last weekend and its currently only used in my personal test >>>> network at work, so its not likely to get replaced. The batteries are >>>> fine, so its probably a more serious issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grlug mailing list >>>> grlug at grlug.org >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org >>> Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/ >>> Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> DNRC: Lord of All Things That Are Fattening >>> >>> "To be sure, conservative radio talk show hosts have a built-in >>> audience unavailable to liberals: People driving cars to some >>> sort of job." - Ann Coulter >>> >>> Microsoft Free since July 06, 2001 >>> Running Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grlug mailing list >>> grlug at grlug.org >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 30 14:07:46 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:07:46 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1367345266.1654.11.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 09:49 -0400, Bob Kline wrote: > I was getting at the last sentence - a car battery > or deep discharge marine battery. > But as I recently learned, one has to be careful > about the type of battery. Yep, I've cooked a couple things in my time learning that. > I suspect the actual solution will be rather more > expensive. One could imagine two batteries in > series, with a regulator, which would then dissipate > a lot of the energy in dropping the voltage so the > inverter can use it. Or a built in switching mechanism > that will go from battery to battery. 'high' capacity MOFSET and other voltage regulators / current limiters are 'inexpensive'. > Of course UPS's are really designed just to give > your computers time to shut down in an orderly > fashion, so perhaps all of this is beside the point, > and the reason no one offers a UPS with more > endurance. I dunno; in the past I have kept computers running using multiple UPS and cycling through them, always having two charging and rotating them as they got low. Even those not every powerful UPSs would run a server for more than 30 minutes - I'd consider 30 minutes is a long time. The limitation is just batteries - batteries suck [and despite a constant stream of heraldic articles in Science Weekly about battery tech - it hasn't really gotten much better]. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From pilcheck at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 15:07:02 2013 From: pilcheck at gmail.com (Dan Pilcheck) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:07:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Asterisk? In-Reply-To: References: <1013124877.115188.1367292744065.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:42 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 scott.tanner at comcast.net wrote: > > > I inherited an Altigen PBX Server last year; its in a 4U chassis with > > several line cards. I never powered it up and I'm not sure if any of the > > hardware is compatible with Asterisk ( and its probably old enough to > > legally drive in most states ) but your welcome to it! > > > > Regards, > > Scott > > > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the offer, .. but we would not have any room for something that > big. > > Looking for more something on the order of a small router size, .. as we > only need one or two analog lines; incoming and phones will be SIP. > > Lee > > Lee, If you can put together an Asterisk box but must keep a few must-have analogs you can use a simple ATA to make them SIP addressable. Such as this: http://www.telephonydepot.com/Grandstream-HandyTone-701-HT701 You could also keep it server side by using (more expensive) FXO/FXS analog cards in the box. If space is a true concern... there's always the Raspberry Pi! http://nerdvittles.com/?p=3026 That should handle a couple dozen extensions and some channels without an issue. Extension recording would kill such a low end device I assume. If you are receiving incoming via SIP then you're sitting fairly simple. Hope that Helps, (P.S. I have dozens of Polycom IP 301 phones if you or anyone else needs them) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Apr 30 16:00:16 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:00:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bob Kline wrote: > But as I recently learned, one has to be careful > about the type of battery. A deep discharge > marine battery is made to be taken way down. What you need is a battery capable of high current and deep cycle. Automotive start batteries are high current, but only take a few deep discharges before they fail and do not have much capacity. Deep cycle marine batteries and most RV batteries are designed for long, slow and deep discharges, running a few lights or a small trolling motor. What you need is a "traction" battery. Something capable of high peak currents, and deep discharges. In the lead acid world these are sold as golf cart, floor sweeper or forklift batteries. They are almost always "wet" cells, and as such are not ideal for indoors. They are also large, and heavy. On the plus side, they are rugged, and you can often find ones that are no longer suitable for their intended purpose but still have plenty of capacity for your needs. Think of a forklift battery that no longer runs an entire shift. (A friend once used a 2000lb used forklift battery in his garage to run his house off grid for a week at a time.) Unfortunately lead commodity prices have risen a lot in the last 7 years, and lead batteries are not as cheap as they once were. Mark From awilliam at whitemice.org Tue Apr 30 20:27:16 2013 From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:16 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1367368036.2170.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 16:00 -0400, Mark Farver wrote: > What you need is a "traction" battery. Something capable of high peak > currents, and deep discharges. In the lead acid world these are sold > as golf cart, floor sweeper or forklift batteries. They are almost > always "wet" cells, and as such are not ideal for indoors. They are > also large, and heavy. On the plus side, they are rugged, and you can > often find ones that are no longer suitable for their intended purpose > but still have plenty of capacity for your needs. Think of a forklift > battery that no longer runs an entire shift. (A friend once used a > 2000lb used forklift battery in his garage to run his house off grid > for a week at a time.) Unfortunately lead commodity prices have risen > a lot in the last 7 years, and lead batteries are not as cheap as they > once were. Yep. And 2000lb sounds about right - they are heavy. My employer would be happy to sell you forklift batteries, possibly used ones. The latest generation of forklift batteries have computerized monitoring and discharge control in every cell - the charge times are VERY fast and the efficiency unbelievable. They are also extremely expensive and completely proprietary. I do not believe there is any problem operating a "wet" cell indoors so long as it is properly maintained and regularly inspected; tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of such batteries are in use indoors at any given moment. Improperly maintained a forklift battery is a potentially dangerous device no matter what or where you are using it. -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA From mfarver at mindbent.org Tue Apr 30 21:32:03 2013 From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:32:03 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Local APC UPS Repair In-Reply-To: <1367368036.2170.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> References: <780840379.115470.1367293346532.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1367368036.2170.8.camel@linux-86wr.site> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > I do not believe there is any problem operating a "wet" cell indoors so > long as it is properly maintained and regularly inspected; tens, if not > hundreds, of thousands of such batteries are in use indoors at any given > moment. Improperly maintained a forklift battery is a potentially > dangerous device no matter what or where you are using it. Not so much a safety issue as the potential for off-gassing of acid vapor. With careful charging this is not a big issue, but the vapor will tend to accelerate corrosion of nearby things. In a large warehouse no one notices, but in an enclosed garage it can be a bit annoying. Electric cars back in the lead acid powered days usually rusted from the inside out. Mark From casey at grlug.org Tue Apr 30 23:50:58 2013 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:50:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?windows-1252?q?GRLUG/GRMaker=92s_Social_Wednesday_May_1?= =?windows-1252?q?st_=40_The_Warehouse?= Message-ID: GRLUG/GRMaker?s Social Wednesday May 1st @ The Warehouse *8PM ? Midnight @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.* The GRMobile Dev will also be meeting from 6-8PM Please register on Meetup: Storyboarding and iOS EVERYONE needs to come! We will have Shauna Wilson from The Henry Ford Museum to talk with us about MakerFaire Detroit and what projects we might want to bring. 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