From casey at grlug.org  Mon Oct  1 14:57:07 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 14:57:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social Wednesday October 3
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZGOYNVsRKEjgp-nCGKWNmTkaJZ5=bsCBt0MPSOgJyfw_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
Jenison, 8-10PM

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Mon Oct  1 14:57:59 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:57:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] firewall-printer setup disagreement
Message-ID: <1349117879.1764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Trying to set up a printer on my LAN. The "Add a new printer dialog"
tells me:

"FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services
mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall."

The firewall config dialog tells me those services are enabled on the
firewall, gives me the ports that have been enabled, and tells me "The
firewall is enabled. 

I've rebooted the computer and that hasn't helped.

Running Fedora 17.

WTF?

Thanks.


From ebever at researchintegration.org  Mon Oct  1 15:21:34 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:21:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] firewall-printer setup disagreement
In-Reply-To: <1349117879.1764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349117879.1764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349119294.1764.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

??
The printer installed fine through CUPS. So I'll let someone else figure
out why the System Setting tool doesn't work.


On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 14:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Trying to set up a printer on my LAN. The "Add a new printer dialog"
> tells me:
> 
> "FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services
> mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall."
> 
> The firewall config dialog tells me those services are enabled on the
> firewall, gives me the ports that have been enabled, and tells me "The
> firewall is enabled. 
> 
> I've rebooted the computer and that hasn't helped.
> 
> Running Fedora 17.
> 
> WTF?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From casey at grlug.org  Mon Oct  1 15:43:24 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:43:24 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey GRLUG,

I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
linux security expert to give the talk.

Who's interested?

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org

From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 15:47:33 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:47:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDDzD3yH2Cw2JYrHrCpitmv2yGO41hVAK9t-LR2t0q-fw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey GRLUG,
>
> I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
> linux security expert to give the talk.
>
> Who's interested?

Might I suggest you try to get two people involved:

1) An expert in the 'attacker' space. (i.e. a penn tester.)
2) An expert in the 'defender' space. (i.e. a seasoned sysadmin who's
dealt with security concerns.)

Penn testers are single-focused, while the sysadmin has to think about
larger pictures. IMO, you'd really need both for proper chemistry in a
good presentation.

-- 
:wq

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Oct  1 15:58:14 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:58:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiDDzD3yH2Cw2JYrHrCpitmv2yGO41hVAK9t-LR2t0q-fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiDDzD3yH2Cw2JYrHrCpitmv2yGO41hVAK9t-LR2t0q-fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1349121494.3940.13.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:47 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> > Hey GRLUG,
> > I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
> > linux security expert to give the talk.
> > Who's interested?
> Might I suggest you try to get two people involved:
> 1) An expert in the 'attacker' space. (i.e. a penn tester.)
> 2) An expert in the 'defender' space. (i.e. a seasoned sysadmin who's
> dealt with security concerns.)
> Penn testers are single-focused, while the sysadmin has to think about
> larger pictures. IMO, you'd really need both for proper chemistry in a
> good presentation.

+1  I've sat through quite a few 'security' presentations.  Most blew
right past their audiences, or at best it wasn't clear how to use the
information presented [other than "hire us"].   "Security" is such a
broad swath of topics, and depending on the type of organization and
size is approached so many ways, it is hard to address generally in a
meaningful / practicable way.


From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 16:02:35 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:02:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
In-Reply-To: <1349121494.3940.13.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiDDzD3yH2Cw2JYrHrCpitmv2yGO41hVAK9t-LR2t0q-fw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349121494.3940.13.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDHRMuCbF-DuCCMTbZp2UOF=72pE2mZJrwoX_i4qcwH1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:47 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> > Hey GRLUG,
>> > I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
>> > linux security expert to give the talk.
>> > Who's interested?
>> Might I suggest you try to get two people involved:
>> 1) An expert in the 'attacker' space. (i.e. a penn tester.)
>> 2) An expert in the 'defender' space. (i.e. a seasoned sysadmin who's
>> dealt with security concerns.)
>> Penn testers are single-focused, while the sysadmin has to think about
>> larger pictures. IMO, you'd really need both for proper chemistry in a
>> good presentation.
>
> +1  I've sat through quite a few 'security' presentations.  Most blew
> right past their audiences, or at best it wasn't clear how to use the
> information presented [other than "hire us"].   "Security" is such a
> broad swath of topics, and depending on the type of organization and
> size is approached so many ways, it is hard to address generally in a
> meaningful / practicable way.

I was thinking of you when I was thinking 'seasoned sysadmin'. Maybe I
just want to see you call the other guy's BS, and then see him call
yours. It would be a very entertaining way to spend an evening. :)

-- 
:wq

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Mon Oct  1 16:12:55 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:12:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] firewall-printer setup disagreement
In-Reply-To: <1349119294.1764.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349117879.1764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349119294.1764.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349122375.1764.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Well the printer installed, but CUPS is not printing to it. Keep getting
"unable to find printer" or "printer not responding" messages. I can
ping the print server (TrendNet TE-100P-1U) OK, and the setup worked
fine with Fedora 15. I've tried restarting the print server and
restarting the printer. 


Description:	B/W laser printer
Location:	
Driver:	Brother HL-1440 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.9 (grayscale, 2-sided
printing)
Connection:	dnssd://PS-742289-U1._printer._tcp.local/
Defaults:	job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in sides=one-sided

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:21 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> ??
> The printer installed fine through CUPS. So I'll let someone else figure
> out why the System Setting tool doesn't work.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 14:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > Trying to set up a printer on my LAN. The "Add a new printer dialog"
> > tells me:
> > 
> > "FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services
> > mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall."
> > 
> > The firewall config dialog tells me those services are enabled on the
> > firewall, gives me the ports that have been enabled, and tells me "The
> > firewall is enabled. 
> > 
> > I've rebooted the computer and that hasn't helped.
> > 
> > Running Fedora 17.
> > 
> > WTF?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Oct  1 16:18:26 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:18:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZFd=Cq9pUAMyNT9En_shsMZj-92pdzNp2RUnVVg4B90Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210011508430.10063@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 1 Oct 2012, Casey DuBois wrote:

> Hey GRLUG,
>
> I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
> linux security expert to give the talk.
>
> Who's interested?
>
I can highly recommend Josh More from the RJS! He travels a lot and has
presented to our group here in St. Louis twice.

	Lee

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Mon Oct  1 17:30:30 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:30:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] firewall-printer setup disagreement
In-Reply-To: <1349122375.1764.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349117879.1764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349119294.1764.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349122375.1764.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349127030.1682.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Got it:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=159950

"The trick part is to get the printer address right.

Choose for device "AppSocket/HP JetDirect" and as address:

Code: socket://printerIP:9100

Then select the apropriate driver for your model (do not try to use
generic drivers that?s not for your specifc printer)"


On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 16:12 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Well the printer installed, but CUPS is not printing to it. Keep getting
> "unable to find printer" or "printer not responding" messages. I can
> ping the print server (TrendNet TE-100P-1U) OK, and the setup worked
> fine with Fedora 15. I've tried restarting the print server and
> restarting the printer. 
> 
> 
> Description:	B/W laser printer
> Location:	
> Driver:	Brother HL-1440 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.9 (grayscale, 2-sided
> printing)
> Connection:	dnssd://PS-742289-U1._printer._tcp.local/
> Defaults:	job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in sides=one-sided
> 
> On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:21 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > ??
> > The printer installed fine through CUPS. So I'll let someone else figure
> > out why the System Setting tool doesn't work.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 14:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > Trying to set up a printer on my LAN. The "Add a new printer dialog"
> > > tells me:
> > > 
> > > "FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services
> > > mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall."
> > > 
> > > The firewall config dialog tells me those services are enabled on the
> > > firewall, gives me the ports that have been enabled, and tells me "The
> > > firewall is enabled. 
> > > 
> > > I've rebooted the computer and that hasn't helped.
> > > 
> > > Running Fedora 17.
> > > 
> > > WTF?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > grlug mailing list
> > > grlug at grlug.org
> > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 20:51:43 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
Message-ID: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>

Easiest way to get your HAM license. (This time around, you can even
upgrade to General, if you like.)

Copy/pasted from Jeffrey Nawrot's Facebook post (he's the guy in charge):

> HAM In A Day
> Class
> Sponsored by:
> Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services
> When: November 4th 2012
> Time: 1pm to 9pm
> Where: Grand Rapids, MI (further details to follow)
> Cost: $40.00 (includes FCC test fee)
> To register visit:
> http://vrm.cc/hiad
> In one day you can earn your technician level amateur radio license or upgrade


I'll note that there are several people on this list who've expressed
some interest. Here's your chance.

-- 
:wq

From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com  Tue Oct  2 07:13:34 2012
From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:13:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>

I did this a few years ago, it works, you basically go over the exam until you can answer all the questions.
High success rate.

-----Original Message-----
From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Mol
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:52 PM
To: GRLUG, List
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day

Easiest way to get your HAM license. (This time around, you can even
upgrade to General, if you like.)

Copy/pasted from Jeffrey Nawrot's Facebook post (he's the guy in charge):

> HAM In A Day
> Class
> Sponsored by:
> Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services
> When: November 4th 2012
> Time: 1pm to 9pm
> Where: Grand Rapids, MI (further details to follow)
> Cost: $40.00 (includes FCC test fee)
> To register visit:
> http://vrm.cc/hiad
> In one day you can earn your technician level amateur radio license or upgrade


I'll note that there are several people on this list who've expressed
some interest. Here's your chance.

-- 
:wq
_______________________________________________
grlug mailing list
grlug at grlug.org
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 08:11:45 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:11:45 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
In-Reply-To: <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>
References: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EKNqn4VEf2zG8nys+aFWhxmmejA0cefgPmCRvJu5npXFA@mail.gmail.com>

Another example of "teaching to the test?"

    -- Bob


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Bill Pribble <Bill.Pribble at haworth.com>wrote:

> I did this a few years ago, it works, you basically go over the exam until
> you can answer all the questions.
> High success rate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Mol
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:52 PM
> To: GRLUG, List
> Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
>
> Easiest way to get your HAM license. (This time around, you can even
> upgrade to General, if you like.)
>
> Copy/pasted from Jeffrey Nawrot's Facebook post (he's the guy in charge):
>
> > HAM In A Day
> > Class
> > Sponsored by:
> > Kent County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services
> > When: November 4th 2012
> > Time: 1pm to 9pm
> > Where: Grand Rapids, MI (further details to follow)
> > Cost: $40.00 (includes FCC test fee)
> > To register visit:
> > http://vrm.cc/hiad
> > In one day you can earn your technician level amateur radio license or
> upgrade
>
>
> I'll note that there are several people on this list who've expressed
> some interest. Here's your chance.
>
> --
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Tue Oct  2 08:28:38 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:28:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EKNqn4VEf2zG8nys+aFWhxmmejA0cefgPmCRvJu5npXFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>
 <CAFOq4EKNqn4VEf2zG8nys+aFWhxmmejA0cefgPmCRvJu5npXFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1349180918.4442.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 08:11 -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> Another example of "teaching to the test?"

Yes.  I am of the mind that teaching to the test is a *perfectly*
reasonable thing to do, and I have no problems with teaching to the
test.  



From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 08:33:29 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:33:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
In-Reply-To: <1349180918.4442.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>
 <CAFOq4EKNqn4VEf2zG8nys+aFWhxmmejA0cefgPmCRvJu5npXFA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349180918.4442.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EKY+o8AR+sZ_TqZDTe9F8Q_suxHXaYQRA-RDPRyPLxwiA@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed.  Tongue in cheek.  That's how
the secondary schools worked when I
went through, and it seemed to work
just fine.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org>wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 08:11 -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > Another example of "teaching to the test?"
>
> Yes.  I am of the mind that teaching to the test is a *perfectly*
> reasonable thing to do, and I have no problems with teaching to the
> test.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Tue Oct  2 08:51:42 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:51:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] HAM in a Day
In-Reply-To: <1349180918.4442.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CA+czFiAS5-zrR289CxKxpdqNh96djrniOyymjMUg0cx2NYBVnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EC21B128897B714B82C10CC6703CA1B316FE5CC564@nahollex12.NA.Haworthinc.com>
 <CAFOq4EKNqn4VEf2zG8nys+aFWhxmmejA0cefgPmCRvJu5npXFA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349180918.4442.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <20121002125142.GA17286@mint>

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 08:28:38AM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 08:11 -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > Another example of "teaching to the test?"
> 
> Yes.  I am of the mind that teaching to the test is a *perfectly*
> reasonable thing to do, and I have no problems with teaching to the
> test.  

Provided the test is well-written.
-- 
john-thomas
------
When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the
government there is tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 09:34:52 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:34:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>

I've recently encountered an issue
with globbing on my web hosting site.

The problem is that any attempt to
use wild cards when I try to, for example,
delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
results in an error saying "out of memory
while globbing."

In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
means 'Permission denied.' "

Permission to glob?

I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.

Nor does it appear to have to do with the
number of files - no globbing even with one file.

Any suggestions here?

I'll ask the web host provider as well....

   -- Bob
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From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 09:49:41 2012
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:49:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too long" error I see in CentOS at times. Do you see this error on any wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of files ( ie "rm *" versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" ) ? 

If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs: 

ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {} 



Regards, 
Scott 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> 
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM 
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing 

I've recently encountered an issue 
with globbing on my web hosting site. 


The problem is that any attempt to 
use wild cards when I try to, for example, 
delete a bunch of files on the hosting site 
results in an error saying "out of memory 
while globbing." 


In parenthesis it then suggests "This probably 
means 'Permission denied.' " 


Permission to glob? 


I can, for example, delete files one at a time, 
by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards. 


Nor does it appear to have to do with the 
number of files - no globbing even with one file. 


Any suggestions here? 


I'll ask the web host provider as well.... 


-- Bob 




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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 09:56:17 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:56:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+m77KHeU08eHrjsY6zrPXu1rFwuAS=B5BFkE2+k9P0qA@mail.gmail.com>

It happens at the level of one file.
e.g., if I use "ls zz*" for the file zz.jpg
I get a globbing error.  Using "ls zz.jpg,"
I get the usual result.



   -- Bob


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:

> I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too
> long" error I see in CentOS at times.   Do you see this error on any
> wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of
> files ( ie "rm *"  versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" )  ?
>
> If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs:
>
>   ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {}
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> *To: *"Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
> grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM
> *Subject: *[GRLUG] globbing
>
>
> I've recently encountered an issue
> with globbing on my web hosting site.
>
> The problem is that any attempt to
> use wild cards when I try to, for example,
> delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
> results in an error saying "out of memory
> while globbing."
>
> In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
> means 'Permission denied.' "
>
> Permission to glob?
>
> I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
> by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.
>
> Nor does it appear to have to do with the
> number of files - no globbing even with one file.
>
> Any suggestions here?
>
> I'll ask the web host provider as well....
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:17:05 2012
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:17:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+m77KHeU08eHrjsY6zrPXu1rFwuAS=B5BFkE2+k9P0qA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <CAFOq4E+m77KHeU08eHrjsY6zrPXu1rFwuAS=B5BFkE2+k9P0qA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKFjdm4s6ZepnhWFdVOuNGE-zWYmBMOLwWuu-SvL3NMaGxVykg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure what the issue is, but a possible solution may be to use
Filezilla as your FTP client:

http://forum.bplaced.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20662

Good luck and let us know how things go.

Regards,
- Robert

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> It happens at the level of one file.
> e.g., if I use "ls zz*" for the file zz.jpg
> I get a globbing error.  Using "ls zz.jpg,"
> I get the usual result.
>
>
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too
>> long" error I see in CentOS at times.   Do you see this error on any
>> wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of files
>> ( ie "rm *"  versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" )  ?
>>
>> If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs:
>>
>>   ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {}
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
>> <grlug at grlug.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM
>> Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
>>
>>
>> I've recently encountered an issue
>> with globbing on my web hosting site.
>>
>> The problem is that any attempt to
>> use wild cards when I try to, for example,
>> delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
>> results in an error saying "out of memory
>> while globbing."
>>
>> In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
>> means 'Permission denied.' "
>>
>> Permission to glob?
>>
>> I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
>> by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.
>>
>> Nor does it appear to have to do with the
>> number of files - no globbing even with one file.
>>
>> Any suggestions here?
>>
>> I'll ask the web host provider as well....
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:26:35 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:26:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CAKFjdm4s6ZepnhWFdVOuNGE-zWYmBMOLwWuu-SvL3NMaGxVykg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <CAFOq4E+m77KHeU08eHrjsY6zrPXu1rFwuAS=B5BFkE2+k9P0qA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKFjdm4s6ZepnhWFdVOuNGE-zWYmBMOLwWuu-SvL3NMaGxVykg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4ELPY43N5q_bHKiK72oLK194hoXODhB6eop+wPzoZ6nrGw@mail.gmail.com>

The issue is that wildcard expansion
doesn't work during an ftp session.

I've contacted the web hosting provider
as well.  This simply shouldn't happen
at the level of a few dozen, or even a
few hundred, files.

   -- Bob


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> Not sure what the issue is, but a possible solution may be to use
> Filezilla as your FTP client:
>
> http://forum.bplaced.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20662
>
> Good luck and let us know how things go.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It happens at the level of one file.
> > e.g., if I use "ls zz*" for the file zz.jpg
> > I get a globbing error.  Using "ls zz.jpg,"
> > I get the usual result.
> >
> >
> >
> >    -- Bob
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too
> >> long" error I see in CentOS at times.   Do you see this error on any
> >> wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of
> files
> >> ( ie "rm *"  versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" )  ?
> >>
> >> If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs:
> >>
> >>   ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {}
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
> >> <grlug at grlug.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM
> >> Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
> >>
> >>
> >> I've recently encountered an issue
> >> with globbing on my web hosting site.
> >>
> >> The problem is that any attempt to
> >> use wild cards when I try to, for example,
> >> delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
> >> results in an error saying "out of memory
> >> while globbing."
> >>
> >> In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
> >> means 'Permission denied.' "
> >>
> >> Permission to glob?
> >>
> >> I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
> >> by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.
> >>
> >> Nor does it appear to have to do with the
> >> number of files - no globbing even with one file.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions here?
> >>
> >> I'll ask the web host provider as well....
> >>
> >>    -- Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> grlug mailing list
> >> grlug at grlug.org
> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> grlug mailing list
> >> grlug at grlug.org
> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:43:49 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:43:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Chromium for the RPi
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EJbbwPPPZOkxEtHfAJB_MqHqzvPNj-sger9BTDn05KbwA@mail.gmail.com>

 http//hexxeh.net

More generally

http://chromeos.hexxeh.net


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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct  2 10:50:29 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:50:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Chromium for the RPi
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EJbbwPPPZOkxEtHfAJB_MqHqzvPNj-sger9BTDn05KbwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EJbbwPPPZOkxEtHfAJB_MqHqzvPNj-sger9BTDn05KbwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEdcnYhzORwGV0Pjvk+xj+Pk91-qSfgtUW2uQFOSodG9w@mail.gmail.com>

NICE!
Gonna have to try that one.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>  http//hexxeh.net
>
> More generally
>
> http://chromeos.hexxeh.net
>
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 00:30:17 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 00:30:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+Qf8Hv22GBVZzjevR9R0Jm4guo-HgrrNar3yVNZFSBmg@mail.gmail.com>

I discovered that only one directory
is having the globbing problem, and
it is the one with the largest number
of files.  All other directories work
fine, so it does appear that at some
point I've exceeded the number of
files that ftp globbing can handle.

Why there are limits I don't know,
but it's why things like xargs exist.
But not in the ftp package.

I do have a ticket at the web hosting
site, and as soon as they decide I've
supplied enough information, maybe
they'll come back with some kind of
solution.  A remote shell would be nice..

   -- Bob


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:

> I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too
> long" error I see in CentOS at times.   Do you see this error on any
> wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of
> files ( ie "rm *"  versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" )  ?
>
> If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs:
>
>   ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {}
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> *To: *"Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
> grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM
> *Subject: *[GRLUG] globbing
>
>
> I've recently encountered an issue
> with globbing on my web hosting site.
>
> The problem is that any attempt to
> use wild cards when I try to, for example,
> delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
> results in an error saying "out of memory
> while globbing."
>
> In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
> means 'Permission denied.' "
>
> Permission to glob?
>
> I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
> by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.
>
> Nor does it appear to have to do with the
> number of files - no globbing even with one file.
>
> Any suggestions here?
>
> I'll ask the web host provider as well....
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Wed Oct  3 08:33:00 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:33:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+Qf8Hv22GBVZzjevR9R0Jm4guo-HgrrNar3yVNZFSBmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <CAFOq4E+Qf8Hv22GBVZzjevR9R0Jm4guo-HgrrNar3yVNZFSBmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121003123300.GA7048@mint>

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 12:30:17AM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> I discovered that only one directory is having the globbing problem,
> and it is the one with the largest number of files.  All other
> directories work fine, so it does appear that at some point I've
> exceeded the number of files that ftp globbing can handle.
> 
> Why there are limits I don't know, but it's why things like xargs
> exist.  But not in the ftp package.
> 
> I do have a ticket at the web hosting site, and as soon as they decide
> I've supplied enough information, maybe they'll come back with some
> kind of solution.  A remote shell would be nice..

Is the host running Linux?

[snip]
-- 
john-thomas
------
If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you
are the product.
Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969)

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 11:41:38 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:41:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <20121003123300.GA7048@mint>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1268091407.2539689.1349185781298.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <CAFOq4E+Qf8Hv22GBVZzjevR9R0Jm4guo-HgrrNar3yVNZFSBmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121003123300.GA7048@mint>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EK2aTFy8y5YNDrtTSDd4omEFToM5W3o=wfG2yM1weUuCg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:33 AM, John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 12:30:17AM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > I discovered that only one directory is having the globbing problem,
> > and it is the one with the largest number of files.  All other
> > directories work fine, so it does appear that at some point I've
> > exceeded the number of files that ftp globbing can handle.
> >
> > Why there are limits I don't know, but it's why things like xargs
> > exist.  But not in the ftp package.
> >
> > I do have a ticket at the web hosting site, and as soon as they decide
> > I've supplied enough information, maybe they'll come back with some
> > kind of solution.  A remote shell would be nice..
>
> Is the host running Linux?
>

Here's the feedback I've gotten so far:

**

Thank you for your update on this matter. Yes, it could be the large
number of files since you are able to access other directories. Have
you tried using another FTP Client?

**

I don't know the answer to your
question, and have asked.

That it could be the large number of
files is something I mentioned to them,
so this is not going well....

Globbing will fail when the "list" gets
too long - I've seen it before.  I think
it when the lists get to be 100K bytes
long, maybe more.  A shell script might
choke at that point, and then you have
to switch to things like xargs.

But this doesn't really explain why this
is happening even at the level of one
file name now.  At least it doesn't
explain it to me.

It will be a while yet.  Your question is
a good one - they ask me whether I've
tried another version of FTP, but haven't
told me what they use or support.

I use the standard ftp that comes with
Kubuntu 12.04.

Another possibility would be a script
of some kind where I do the globbing
at my end, and then do an ftp session
on a file by file basis.  Maybe use
something like "expect."  Anyone here
know of any possibilities here?

   -- Bob
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 11:56:57 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:56:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK2aTFy8y5YNDrtTSDd4omEFToM5W3o=wfG2yM1weUuCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4E+phCaPF7bFZPYGZ99AQQhyGuCNezh+CPBwAP_2XsVKCw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <20121003123300.GA7048@mint>
 <CAFOq4EK2aTFy8y5YNDrtTSDd4omEFToM5W3o=wfG2yM1weUuCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+U=F-HLUD9NiVzVRNCn4tQzWpLwy+5KnS-Ccgns9JM1g@mail.gmail.com>

Not quite stated correctly.  Globbing
chokes after a certain number of bytes,
not files.  i.e., if you're in the habbit
of using 256 byte file names - or whatever
the current length limit is for a typical
Linux system today - you'll run in to it
with fewer files.

On that basis I'll guess the limit might
be closer to 1MB, based on my own
situation.  If all this is true, I've probably
had it, not matter what the help desk
*doesn't* come back with.

   -- Bob


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:33 AM, John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 12:30:17AM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
>> > I discovered that only one directory is having the globbing problem,
>> > and it is the one with the largest number of files.  All other
>> > directories work fine, so it does appear that at some point I've
>> > exceeded the number of files that ftp globbing can handle.
>> >
>> > Why there are limits I don't know, but it's why things like xargs
>> > exist.  But not in the ftp package.
>> >
>> > I do have a ticket at the web hosting site, and as soon as they decide
>> > I've supplied enough information, maybe they'll come back with some
>> > kind of solution.  A remote shell would be nice..
>>
>> Is the host running Linux?
>>
>
> Here's the feedback I've gotten so far:
>
> **
>
> Thank you for your update on this matter. Yes, it could be the large number of files since you are able to access other directories. Have you tried using another FTP Client?
>
> **
>
> I don't know the answer to your
> question, and have asked.
>
> That it could be the large number of
> files is something I mentioned to them,
> so this is not going well....
>
> Globbing will fail when the "list" gets
> too long - I've seen it before.  I think
> it when the lists get to be 100K bytes
> long, maybe more.  A shell script might
> choke at that point, and then you have
> to switch to things like xargs.
>
> But this doesn't really explain why this
> is happening even at the level of one
> file name now.  At least it doesn't
> explain it to me.
>
> It will be a while yet.  Your question is
> a good one - they ask me whether I've
> tried another version of FTP, but haven't
> told me what they use or support.
>
> I use the standard ftp that comes with
> Kubuntu 12.04.
>
> Another possibility would be a script
> of some kind where I do the globbing
> at my end, and then do an ftp session
> on a file by file basis.  Maybe use
> something like "expect."  Anyone here
> know of any possibilities here?
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
>
>
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 13:29:14 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:29:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
Message-ID: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
"Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
--or-operator)."

Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
"php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
document I'm looking for.

So two questions:
1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
rather than an 'and' search?

2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
desired phrase in it?

<snip>
<?php
//from phpexercises.com/php-exercise-select-field-class.html
//2012-10-03
//includes php return button
</snip>

Thanks.
EB


From knightperson at zuzax.com  Wed Oct  3 13:38:34 2012
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:38:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <506C781A.6050909@zuzax.com>

Would escaping the spaces persuade it to search for that exact phrase 
rather than just finding a document that has all three words in it 
somewhere?

On 10/03/2012 01:29 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> --or-operator)."
>
> Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> document I'm looking for.
>
> So two questions:
> 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> rather than an 'and' search?
>
> 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> desired phrase in it?
>
> <snip>
> <?php
> //from phpexercises.com/php-exercise-select-field-class.html
> //2012-10-03
> //includes php return button
> </snip>
>
> Thanks.
> EB
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Oct  3 13:51:00 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:51:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349286660.4193.3.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:29 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> --or-operator)."
> Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> document I'm looking for.
> So two questions:
> 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> rather than an 'and' search?
> 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> desired phrase in it?

Probably because "return" is a stop word;  it is at least ignored in
indexing.  This is typical of search engines, they will ignore certain
common words.

Does tracker-search "php button" return the expected result?


From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 13:56:14 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:56:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <506C781A.6050909@zuzax.com>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <506C781A.6050909@zuzax.com>
Message-ID: <1349286974.1822.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Doesn't seem to make any difference.
What's strange is that tracker doesn't seem to be updating its index,
even with a reboot of the computer.

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:38 -0400, Mike Williams wrote:
> Would escaping the spaces persuade it to search for that exact phrase 
> rather than just finding a document that has all three words in it 
> somewhere?
> 
> On 10/03/2012 01:29 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> > "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> > --or-operator)."
> >
> > Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> > "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> > 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> > of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> > seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> > document I'm looking for.
> >
> > So two questions:
> > 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> > rather than an 'and' search?
> >
> > 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> > desired phrase in it?
> >
> > <snip>
> > <?php
> > //from phpexercises.com/php-exercise-select-field-class.html
> > //2012-10-03
> > //includes php return button
> > </snip>
> >
> > Thanks.
> > EB
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 14:04:00 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:04:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349286974.1822.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <506C781A.6050909@zuzax.com>
 <1349286974.1822.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349287440.1822.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Strange. I created a short file, flame.html, with the word
'flambolicious' in it. tracker-search did not come up with it, even
after a reboot. Yet if I save that file as flame.txt, tracker-search
does come up with it. And tracker is finding some .php and .html files.

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:56 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Doesn't seem to make any difference.
> What's strange is that tracker doesn't seem to be updating its index,
> even with a reboot of the computer.
> 
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:38 -0400, Mike Williams wrote:
> > Would escaping the spaces persuade it to search for that exact phrase 
> > rather than just finding a document that has all three words in it 
> > somewhere?
> > 
> > On 10/03/2012 01:29 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> > > "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> > > --or-operator)."
> > >
> > > Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> > > "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> > > 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> > > of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> > > seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> > > document I'm looking for.
> > >
> > > So two questions:
> > > 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> > > rather than an 'and' search?
> > >
> > > 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> > > desired phrase in it?
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > <?php
> > > //from phpexercises.com/php-exercise-select-field-class.html
> > > //2012-10-03
> > > //includes php return button
> > > </snip>
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > EB
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > grlug mailing list
> > > grlug at grlug.org
> > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 14:06:04 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:06:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349286660.4193.3.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349286660.4193.3.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <1349287564.1822.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:51 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:29 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> > "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> > --or-operator)."
> > Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> > "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> > 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> > of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> > seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> > document I'm looking for.
> > So two questions:
> > 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> > rather than an 'and' search?
> > 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> > desired phrase in it?
> 
> Probably because "return" is a stop word;  it is at least ignored in
> indexing.  This is typical of search engines, they will ignore certain
> common words.
> 
> Does tracker-search "php button" return the expected result?
> 

Nope.


From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct  3 15:49:18 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:49:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey GRLUG,

I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
Jenison, 8-10PM

My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before you come.
I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 15:52:10 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:52:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiBQ+nPj7vf7=ibWGTJfWyN9CxaU1vc-LNbJQurSZmJe4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
to the local hardware gurus.

Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
this afternoon.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey GRLUG,
>
> I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
> Jenison, 8-10PM
>
> My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before you come.
> I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
:wq

From uhawl1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:09:57 2012
From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:09:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiBQ+nPj7vf7=ibWGTJfWyN9CxaU1vc-LNbJQurSZmJe4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiBQ+nPj7vf7=ibWGTJfWyN9CxaU1vc-LNbJQurSZmJe4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALC3+TnJG0btRA7N+1ebECs5LK8vUx-mUqkvUE3V5gWxEwuLbg@mail.gmail.com>

If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
> to the local hardware gurus.
>
> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
> this afternoon.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> > Hey GRLUG,
> >
> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
> > Jenison, 8-10PM
> >
> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before
> you come.
> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
> >
> > Casey DuBois
> > 616-808-6942
> > casey at grlug.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:16:59 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:16:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CALC3+TnJG0btRA7N+1ebECs5LK8vUx-mUqkvUE3V5gWxEwuLbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiBQ+nPj7vf7=ibWGTJfWyN9CxaU1vc-LNbJQurSZmJe4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALC3+TnJG0btRA7N+1ebECs5LK8vUx-mUqkvUE3V5gWxEwuLbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADi8XRvHNVNXFzj09wzsp=9JzPMVLT1QS_4gDuQQPG=N50Naeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello grlug,

I am sort on the gas money to get there tonight, So i will gladly pick
someone up if they want to pay for the gas to get to jenison.  I am looking
foward to attending my first meeting once i can swing it.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>
>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>> this afternoon.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> > Hey GRLUG,
>> >
>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>> >
>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before
>> you come.
>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>> >
>> > Casey DuBois
>> > 616-808-6942
>> > casey at grlug.org
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > grlug mailing list
>> > grlug at grlug.org
>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:20:49 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:20:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRvHNVNXFzj09wzsp=9JzPMVLT1QS_4gDuQQPG=N50Naeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiBQ+nPj7vf7=ibWGTJfWyN9CxaU1vc-LNbJQurSZmJe4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALC3+TnJG0btRA7N+1ebECs5LK8vUx-mUqkvUE3V5gWxEwuLbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADi8XRvHNVNXFzj09wzsp=9JzPMVLT1QS_4gDuQQPG=N50Naeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGE0mAsoT3Kspp4OuBFkJZg2Fc_T7Rx7oAGqcOgEKdXRWw@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you coming from Josh?  And welcome to the lug!

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello grlug,
>
> I am sort on the gas money to get there tonight, So i will gladly pick
> someone up if they want to pay for the gas to get to jenison.  I am looking
> foward to attending my first meeting once i can swing it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>
>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>> this afternoon.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>> >
>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>> >
>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before
>>> you come.
>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>> >
>>> > Casey DuBois
>>> > 616-808-6942
>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > grlug mailing list
>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :wq
>>> _______________________________________________
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From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:26:04 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:26:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGE0mAsoT3Kspp4OuBFkJZg2Fc_T7Rx7oAGqcOgEKdXRWw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am in kentwood, just by 131.

Thank you, was wondering where the cool stuff was happening

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where are you coming from Josh?  And welcome to the lug!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello grlug,
>>
>> I am sort on the gas money to get there tonight, So i will gladly pick
>> someone up if they want to pay for the gas to get to jenison.  I am looking
>> foward to attending my first meeting once i can swing it.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>>
>>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>>> this afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>>> >
>>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat
>>>> before you come.
>>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>>> >
>>>> > Casey DuBois
>>>> > 616-808-6942
>>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > grlug mailing list
>>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> :wq
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:29:36 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:29:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRtfvd95SWLfCR8hnUgHpHW6ot=77__J8cn9hv+9s05pEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am in Kentwood as well (and am usually tight with gas also).

I can pick you up or help with your tank.  I pick up another fellow when he
wants to go.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in kentwood, just by 131.
>
> Thank you, was wondering where the cool stuff was happening
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Where are you coming from Josh?  And welcome to the lug!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello grlug,
>>>
>>> I am sort on the gas money to get there tonight, So i will gladly pick
>>> someone up if they want to pay for the gas to get to jenison.  I am looking
>>> foward to attending my first meeting once i can swing it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>>>> this afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin
>>>>> St.,
>>>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat
>>>>> before you come.
>>>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Casey DuBois
>>>>> > 616-808-6942
>>>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > grlug mailing list
>>>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> :wq
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:32:05 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:32:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGGNHp3eJsnD6-uT7o9QJWPKJdx4uDTTDQqSu4djMEfpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yea would love to ride just let me know where and when to be somewhere, or
whatever you think would work best.  Hopefully next month I will be back on
track.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in Kentwood as well (and am usually tight with gas also).
>
> I can pick you up or help with your tank.  I pick up another fellow when
> he wants to go.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am in kentwood, just by 131.
>>
>> Thank you, was wondering where the cool stuff was happening
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Where are you coming from Josh?  And welcome to the lug!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello grlug,
>>>>
>>>> I am sort on the gas money to get there tonight, So i will gladly pick
>>>> someone up if they want to pay for the gas to get to jenison.  I am looking
>>>> foward to attending my first meeting once i can swing it.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>>>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>>>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>>>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>>>>> this afternoon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin
>>>>>> St.,
>>>>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat
>>>>>> before you come.
>>>>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Casey DuBois
>>>>>> > 616-808-6942
>>>>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > grlug mailing list
>>>>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>>>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> :wq
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:50:41 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:50:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CALC3+TnJG0btRA7N+1ebECs5LK8vUx-mUqkvUE3V5gWxEwuLbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZE-GU5sWYGk5kJZnY+qA0vF5ff5pJPqgcsz3ed_M1n8hw@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm set. But I do want to pick your brains...
On Oct 3, 2012 5:10 PM, "Joshua Yuhas" <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>
>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>> this afternoon.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> > Hey GRLUG,
>> >
>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>> >
>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before
>> you come.
>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>> >
>> > Casey DuBois
>> > 616-808-6942
>> > casey at grlug.org
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > grlug mailing list
>> > grlug at grlug.org
>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 18:03:32 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:03:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349287440.1822.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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 <1349286974.1822.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <1349301812.1822.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

It seems from some stuff on line that in fact tracker does not
index .php files. Haven't found any explanation about why not. Did see a
hint to use ack. This does nicely finding the phrase "php return button"
in the php file. Does seem only to work on current working directory and
down, however, so I can't search ~ and /var/www/html at the same time.

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 14:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Strange. I created a short file, flame.html, with the word
> 'flambolicious' in it. tracker-search did not come up with it, even
> after a reboot. Yet if I save that file as flame.txt, tracker-search
> does come up with it. And tracker is finding some .php and .html files.
> 
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:56 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > Doesn't seem to make any difference.
> > What's strange is that tracker doesn't seem to be updating its index,
> > even with a reboot of the computer.
> > 
> > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:38 -0400, Mike Williams wrote:
> > > Would escaping the spaces persuade it to search for that exact phrase 
> > > rather than just finding a document that has all three words in it 
> > > somewhere?
> > > 
> > > On 10/03/2012 01:29 PM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to see how to use tracker. The tracker-search help says,
> > > > "Applies an AND operator to all terms separated by a space (see
> > > > --or-operator)."
> > > >
> > > > Yet when I run 'tracker-search php return button' or 'tracker-search
> > > > "php return button" (I'm trying to find the document that has the phrase
> > > > 'php return button' in it, "build-class.php"), tracker returns all kinds
> > > > of documents, including many from /var/www/html, some of which don't
> > > > seem to have the work 'return' in them anywhere, but not the particular
> > > > document I'm looking for.
> > > >
> > > > So two questions:
> > > > 1. Despite what the help says, is tracker-search doing an 'or' search
> > > > rather than an 'and' search?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Why is it not finding the "build-class.php" document, which has the
> > > > desired phrase in it?
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > <?php
> > > > //from phpexercises.com/php-exercise-select-field-class.html
> > > > //2012-10-03
> > > > //includes php return button
> > > > </snip>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > EB
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > grlug mailing list
> > > > grlug at grlug.org
> > > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > grlug mailing list
> > > grlug at grlug.org
> > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Oct  3 18:14:32 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:14:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349301812.1822.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <506C781A.6050909@zuzax.com>
 <1349286974.1822.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349287440.1822.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349301812.1822.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1349302472.5403.2.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:03 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> It seems from some stuff on line that in fact tracker does not
> index .php files.

They at least make it into the index.  It indexes other types of code
files.

awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-search jsonRPCClient
Results:
  file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Development/PHP/jsonRPCClient.php
  file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Organizations/MI/OGo/CRM%20&%
20Hedera/TireSale/tiresale.py
file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/jsonrpc.py file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/rpcclient.py
...

>  Haven't found any explanation about why not. Did see a
> hint to use ack. This does nicely finding the phrase "php return button"
> in the php file. Does seem only to work on current working directory and
> down, however, so I can't search ~ and /var/www/html at the same time.

What have you set it to index?  I doubt it does /var/www/html by
default.

tracker-preferences -> Location tab

> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 14:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > Strange. I created a short file, flame.html, with the word
> > 'flambolicious' in it. tracker-search did not come up with it, even
> > after a reboot. Yet if I save that file as flame.txt, tracker-search
> > does come up with it. And tracker is finding some .php and .html files.

Has the filesystem miner indexed that file yet?

awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-info ProvisionRabbitMQ.txt
Querying information for entity:'ProvisionRabbitMQ.txt'
  'urn:uuid:913e87ba-85c6-dc00-949c-23a2f00dc81e'
Results:
  'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/date' = '2012-09-25T13:59:41Z'
  'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/source' =
'urn:nepomuk:datasource:9291a450-1d49-11de-8c30-0800200c9a66'
  'tracker:added' = '2012-09-25T13:59:44Z'
...


From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:22:28 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 18:22:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
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sounds like its going to be a good time

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm set. But I do want to pick your brains...
> On Oct 3, 2012 5:10 PM, "Joshua Yuhas" <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>
>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>> this afternoon.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>> >
>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>> >
>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat before
>>> you come.
>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>> >
>>> > Casey DuBois
>>> > 616-808-6942
>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > grlug mailing list
>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :wq
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:33:49 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 18:33:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Reminder GRLUG Social TONIGHT @ The Warehouse
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Never fails.
On Oct 3, 2012 6:23 PM, "Josh" <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> sounds like its going to be a good time
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm set. But I do want to pick your brains...
>> On Oct 3, 2012 5:10 PM, "Joshua Yuhas" <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If no one else is able, I will be able to pick you up, Mike.
>>> On Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to try to make it. I've got some questions I'd like to pose
>>>> to the local hardware gurus.
>>>>
>>>> Tricky part is going to be transportation. Car's in the shop, as it
>>>> was in an accident this morning. (I'm told someone from GRLUG picked
>>>> Dagny up and gave her a lift. Thank you!) Might be able to borrow one
>>>> this afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm hosting this week's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>> > Jenison, 8-10PM
>>>> >
>>>> > My wife has a job now and was unable to make us any food so eat
>>>> before you come.
>>>> > I do have sodas, beer and pretzels for everyone.
>>>> >
>>>> > Casey DuBois
>>>> > 616-808-6942
>>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > grlug mailing list
>>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> :wq
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct  3 20:31:13 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:31:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
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On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:14 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:03 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > It seems from some stuff on line that in fact tracker does not
> > index .php files.
> 
> They at least make it into the index.  It indexes other types of code
> files.
> 
> awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-search jsonRPCClient
> Results:
>   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Development/PHP/jsonRPCClient.php
>   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Organizations/MI/OGo/CRM%20&%
> 20Hedera/TireSale/tiresale.py
> file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/jsonrpc.py file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/rpcclient.py
> ...
> 
> >  Haven't found any explanation about why not. Did see a
> > hint to use ack. This does nicely finding the phrase "php return button"
> > in the php file. Does seem only to work on current working directory and
> > down, however, so I can't search ~ and /var/www/html at the same time.
> 
> What have you set it to index?  I doubt it does /var/www/html by
> default.
> 
> tracker-preferences -> Location tab

I've got tracker indexing both home and html directories. The problem is
that it's not finding the php files, though it finds lots of other files
in /var/www/html. Also, it will find the same file with the extension
changed from .php to .txt immediately. Thus it seems to have indexed
build-class.txt immediately but never indexes build-class.php.

It was ack that didn't seem to have any way to give results from more
than one directory and its subdirectories at a time. ack did find the
php files without any difficulty.

> 
> > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 14:04 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > Strange. I created a short file, flame.html, with the word
> > > 'flambolicious' in it. tracker-search did not come up with it, even
> > > after a reboot. Yet if I save that file as flame.txt, tracker-search
> > > does come up with it. And tracker is finding some .php and .html files.

I take the last sentence back--tracker does not seem to be finding
any .php or .html files.

> 
> Has the filesystem miner indexed that file yet?

It seems to index the .txt files right away. Why would it take longer to
index the .php files? In fact now, several hours later, it's still not
returning any .php files. It does seem to return .php files that have
the search terms in the title (e.g., 'tracker-search build-class'
returns '/var/www/html/build-class.php'.

> 
> awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-info ProvisionRabbitMQ.txt
> Querying information for entity:'ProvisionRabbitMQ.txt'
>   'urn:uuid:913e87ba-85c6-dc00-949c-23a2f00dc81e'
> Results:
>   'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/date' = '2012-09-25T13:59:41Z'
>   'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/source' =
> 'urn:nepomuk:datasource:9291a450-1d49-11de-8c30-0800200c9a66'
>   'tracker:added' = '2012-09-25T13:59:44Z'
> ...
> 
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct  4 05:31:13 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:31:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
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On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 20:31 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:14 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:03 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > It seems from some stuff on line that in fact tracker does not
> > > index .php files.
> > They at least make it into the index.  It indexes other types of code
> > files.
> > awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-search jsonRPCClient
> > Results:
> >   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Development/PHP/jsonRPCClient.php
> >   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Organizations/MI/OGo/CRM%20&%
> > 20Hedera/TireSale/tiresale.py
> > file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/jsonrpc.py file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/rpcclient.py
> > ...

The root the of the issue here is that there is no extractor for PHP
file types;  in Tracker an extractor exists for each file types and
extracts the information from the file [ODT, DOCX, PDF, TXT, etc...] to
be added to the index.  Extractors correspond to MIME types and the MIME
type of a PHP file is, for some queer historical reason,
"application/x-php".   Whereas Python files have a MIME type of
"text/x-python" so if there isn't an extractor for "text/x-python" it
falls back to extracting with "text/*".  Most code files are treated as
text files: "text/x-c", "text/x-c++", "text/x-java", "text/js", etc...
But PHP is "application/*" for which there is, obviously, not default
extractor.

PHP developers, typically, being lower-case-d developers probably aren't
going to write an extractor [which would be done in C].

You can try telling Tracker's text extractor that it can extract PHP
files by editing /usr/share/tracker/extract-rules/90-text-generic.rule
and changing the Mimetypes directive from "text/*" to
"text/*;application.php;".  And then restarting tracker - logging in and
out would probably do that.  Then just touch the PHP files, when the
tracker miner becomes idle again [tracker-control] check one of the PHP
files using tracker-info.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct  4 07:15:52 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:15:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
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On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 16:02 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:47 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> >> > Hey GRLUG,
> >> > I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
> >> > linux security expert to give the talk.
> >> > Who's interested?
> >> Might I suggest you try to get two people involved:
> >> 1) An expert in the 'attacker' space. (i.e. a penn tester.)
> >> 2) An expert in the 'defender' space. (i.e. a seasoned sysadmin who's
> >> dealt with security concerns.)
> >> Penn testers are single-focused, while the sysadmin has to think about
> >> larger pictures. IMO, you'd really need both for proper chemistry in a
> >> good presentation.
> > +1  I've sat through quite a few 'security' presentations.  Most blew
> > right past their audiences, or at best it wasn't clear how to use the
> > information presented [other than "hire us"].   "Security" is such a
> > broad swath of topics, and depending on the type of organization and
> > size is approached so many ways, it is hard to address generally in a
> > meaningful / practicable way.
> I was thinking of you when I was thinking 'seasoned sysadmin'. Maybe I
> just want to see you call the other guy's BS, and then see him call
> yours. It would be a very entertaining way to spend an evening. :)

Could be fun.  But for the record I've never referred to myself as a
"security expert", or for that matter, an "expert" on anything. 

I'm just not certain what I'd have to offer that a GR-ISSA person would
be interested in; they are big corporate theory, regulation, and
expensive tools guys.  I'm a hammer and wrench guy.  No hate, but I'm
not clear what the overlap is.  My security 'advice' is all pretty basic
stuff.


From ebever at researchintegration.org  Thu Oct  4 07:57:41 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:57:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
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On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 05:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 20:31 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:14 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 18:03 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > > It seems from some stuff on line that in fact tracker does not
> > > > index .php files.
> > > They at least make it into the index.  It indexes other types of code
> > > files.
> > > awilliam at linux-nysu:~> tracker-search jsonRPCClient
> > > Results:
> > >   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Development/PHP/jsonRPCClient.php
> > >   file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Organizations/MI/OGo/CRM%20&%
> > > 20Hedera/TireSale/tiresale.py
> > > file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/jsonrpc.py file:///home/awilliam/Documents/Works/Coils.MD/snurtle-code/build/lib/snurtle/rpcclient.py
> > > ...
> 
> The root the of the issue here is that there is no extractor for PHP
> file types;  in Tracker an extractor exists for each file types and
> extracts the information from the file [ODT, DOCX, PDF, TXT, etc...] to
> be added to the index.  Extractors correspond to MIME types and the MIME
> type of a PHP file is, for some queer historical reason,
> "application/x-php".   Whereas Python files have a MIME type of
> "text/x-python" so if there isn't an extractor for "text/x-python" it
> falls back to extracting with "text/*".  Most code files are treated as
> text files: "text/x-c", "text/x-c++", "text/x-java", "text/js", etc...
> But PHP is "application/*" for which there is, obviously, not default
> extractor.
> 
> PHP developers, typically, being lower-case-d developers probably aren't
> going to write an extractor [which would be done in C].
> 
> You can try telling Tracker's text extractor that it can extract PHP
> files by editing /usr/share/tracker/extract-rules/90-text-generic.rule
> and changing the Mimetypes directive from "text/*" to
> "text/*;application.php;".  And then restarting tracker - logging in and
> out would probably do that.  Then just touch the PHP files, when the
> tracker miner becomes idle again [tracker-control] check one of the PHP
> files using tracker-info.
> 
> 
Thanks, Adam.
I'm giving that a try.
Should "text/*;application.php;" be "text/*;application/x-php"?
 Do I have to 'touch' all the .php files to get them to be indexed? Can
I do that with a wildcard ("touch *php")?

Missed you and Dirk at OLF.

EB




From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct  4 08:25:13 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:25:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
In-Reply-To: <1349351861.1671.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1349285354.2060.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 07:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 05:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 20:31 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > The root the of the issue here is that there is no extractor for PHP
> > file types;  in Tracker an extractor exists for each file types and
> > extracts the information from the file [ODT, DOCX, PDF, TXT, etc...] to
> > be added to the index.  Extractors correspond to MIME types and the MIME
> > type of a PHP file is, for some queer historical reason,
> > "application/x-php".   Whereas Python files have a MIME type of
> > "text/x-python" so if there isn't an extractor for "text/x-python" it
> > falls back to extracting with "text/*".  Most code files are treated as
> > text files: "text/x-c", "text/x-c++", "text/x-java", "text/js", etc...
> > But PHP is "application/*" for which there is, obviously, not default
> > extractor.
> > PHP developers, typically, being lower-case-d developers probably aren't
> > going to write an extractor [which would be done in C].
> > You can try telling Tracker's text extractor that it can extract PHP
> > files by editing /usr/share/tracker/extract-rules/90-text-generic.rule
> > and changing the Mimetypes directive from "text/*" to
> > "text/*;application.php;".  And then restarting tracker - logging in and
> > out would probably do that.  Then just touch the PHP files, when the
> > tracker miner becomes idle again [tracker-control] check one of the PHP
> > files using tracker-info.
> I'm giving that a try.
> Should "text/*;application.php;" be "text/*;application/x-php"?
>  Do I have to 'touch' all the .php files to get them to be indexed? Can
> I do that with a wildcard ("touch *php")?

 tracker-control --reindex-mime-type="application/php"

That should cause a reindex of all files of the specified MIME type.

Assuming the MIME type pairing works, it should be available once the
miner becomes idle.


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct  4 08:26:55 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:26:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] OLF [Was: gnome tracker issue]
In-Reply-To: <1349351861.1671.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 07:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Missed you and Dirk at OLF.

Yea, it was a bummer to miss it, but there was just way to much else
going on this year.

And the ideology of the organizers is obviously getting in the way of
their having compelling presenters/presentations.  The schedule of talks
looked pretty lame.  I hope it was better than it looked.


From ebever at researchintegration.org  Thu Oct  4 08:43:21 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:43:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] OLF [Was: gnome tracker issue]
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On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 08:26 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 07:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > Missed you and Dirk at OLF.
> 
> Yea, it was a bummer to miss it, but there was just way to much else
> going on this year.
> 
> And the ideology of the organizers is obviously getting in the way of
> their having compelling presenters/presentations.  The schedule of talks
> looked pretty lame.  I hope it was better than it looked.
> 
I heard a few useful presentations, but then my needs are different than
yours.

I'm thinking of submitting one for next year on "Creating a WordPress
theme from scratch." Not that most people ever will do that, but I found
that building one from scratch (following various online tutorials)
helped me understand better what I was doing when creating child themes
from themes I liked. To do anything in an hour, it would have to assume
LAMP and working knowledge of WP, but not necessarily any experience
with modifying themes. There was a large group at the GIMP basics
presentation, tho it seemed many of them had more experience with GIMP
than the presentation was aimed at.


From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 09:40:45 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:40:45 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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Filezilla was the hosting site's suggestion
when all the dust settled.

The OS on their end is

CentOS 4.9
Pure-FTPD

Not sure what "Pure-FTPD" means, but
probably basic ftp.

I pretty much knew they couldn't do
anything about the basic situation, since
I'd guess CentOS uses the same basic
ftp package every other distribution uses.
At least at the level of a the basic service
that I have.

The better solution would be to have
an ssh connection, but at the lowest
levels of service this doesn't seem to be
an option.  Another order of magnitude,
or even two, of byte limit for globbing
would be nice in today's world. Richard
Stallman argued 30 years ago that
machine's should have full word lengths
as limits, not the silly, arbitrary limits
that people often in fact use.

Today that would mean essentially
unlimited, but of course his appeal didn't
take, and so we have silly little issues
like this one.

  -- Bob




On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> Not sure what the issue is, but a possible solution may be to use
> Filezilla as your FTP client:
>
> http://forum.bplaced.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20662
>
> Good luck and let us know how things go.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It happens at the level of one file.
> > e.g., if I use "ls zz*" for the file zz.jpg
> > I get a globbing error.  Using "ls zz.jpg,"
> > I get the usual result.
> >
> >
> >
> >    -- Bob
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't seen that particular error, but it sounds like the "list too
> >> long" error I see in CentOS at times.   Do you see this error on any
> >> wildcard matching, or just when the wildcard matches a large number of
> files
> >> ( ie "rm *"  versus "rm exact_filename.tx?" )  ?
> >>
> >> If its matching a large number of files, try piping through xargs:
> >>
> >>   ls files2del* | xargs -i rm {}
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area."
> >> <grlug at grlug.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:34:52 AM
> >> Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
> >>
> >>
> >> I've recently encountered an issue
> >> with globbing on my web hosting site.
> >>
> >> The problem is that any attempt to
> >> use wild cards when I try to, for example,
> >> delete a bunch of files on the hosting site
> >> results in an error saying "out of memory
> >> while globbing."
> >>
> >> In parenthesis it then suggests  "This probably
> >> means 'Permission denied.' "
> >>
> >> Permission to glob?
> >>
> >> I can, for example, delete files one at a time,
> >> by typing in the entire name - i.e., no wild cards.
> >>
> >> Nor does it appear to have to do with the
> >> number of files - no globbing even with one file.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions here?
> >>
> >> I'll ask the web host provider as well....
> >>
> >>    -- Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> grlug mailing list
> >> grlug at grlug.org
> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >>
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> >> grlug at grlug.org
> >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
> >
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 09:45:17 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:45:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need Security/Linux Expert for a talk
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 16:02 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
>> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:47 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> >> > Hey GRLUG,
>> >> > I'm wanting to do a joint GRLUG / GR-ISSA meeting and am looking for a
>> >> > linux security expert to give the talk.
>> >> > Who's interested?
>> >> Might I suggest you try to get two people involved:
>> >> 1) An expert in the 'attacker' space. (i.e. a penn tester.)
>> >> 2) An expert in the 'defender' space. (i.e. a seasoned sysadmin who's
>> >> dealt with security concerns.)
>> >> Penn testers are single-focused, while the sysadmin has to think about
>> >> larger pictures. IMO, you'd really need both for proper chemistry in a
>> >> good presentation.
>> > +1  I've sat through quite a few 'security' presentations.  Most blew
>> > right past their audiences, or at best it wasn't clear how to use the
>> > information presented [other than "hire us"].   "Security" is such a
>> > broad swath of topics, and depending on the type of organization and
>> > size is approached so many ways, it is hard to address generally in a
>> > meaningful / practicable way.
>> I was thinking of you when I was thinking 'seasoned sysadmin'. Maybe I
>> just want to see you call the other guy's BS, and then see him call
>> yours. It would be a very entertaining way to spend an evening. :)
>
> Could be fun.  But for the record I've never referred to myself as a
> "security expert", or for that matter, an "expert" on anything.

Anyone who describes themselves as an expert probably doesn't deserve the title.

>
> I'm just not certain what I'd have to offer that a GR-ISSA person would
> be interested in; they are big corporate theory, regulation, and
> expensive tools guys.  I'm a hammer and wrench guy.  No hate, but I'm
> not clear what the overlap is.  My security 'advice' is all pretty basic
> stuff.

That's why I envisioned you for bringing your debate partner (as it
were)'s head out of the clouds.
-- 
:wq

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 09:49:32 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:49:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The shell
is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how long a
command to accept and parse.

When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Oct  4 09:51:08 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 08:51:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Any rsync & cygwin folks on list?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210040848530.10063@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to pull an rsync backup from a W7 VM, .. the setup is working,
however on the command line I get complaints about "uid = -1", however the
log shows completed but with error and nothing gets copied (when testing
on the command line, it does copy files other than the "uid = -1" ones).

Has anyone seen this? Is the general failure related to the bad uid
problem?

	TIA,

	Lee

==================

[03/Oct/2012:09:55:47] touch /.bu/Mainserver/daily.0/
[03/Oct/2012:09:55:47] rm -f /var/run/rsnapshot.pid
[03/Oct/2012:09:55:47] /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily:
ERROR: /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily: completed, but
with some errors
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:10] /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily:
started
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:10] echo 26448 > /var/run/rsnapshot.pid
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:10] mkdir -m 0755 -p /.bu/Mainserver/daily.0/
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:10] /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative
--delete-excluded --exclude=\$* --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh
lvl at Mainserver:/cygdrive/d /.bu/Mainserver/daily.0/./
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:34] /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily:
ERROR: /usr/bin/rsync returned 255 while processing
lvl at Mainserver:/cygdrive/d/
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:34] touch /.bu/Mainserver/daily.0/
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:34] rm -f /var/run/rsnapshot.pid
[03/Oct/2012:09:57:34] /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily:
ERROR: /usr/bin/rsnapshot -v -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf daily: completed, but
with some errors


From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Oct  4 10:29:02 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:29:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 09:49:32AM -0400, Steve Romanow wrote:
> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The shell
> is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how long a
> command to accept and parse.
> 
> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.

Wow.  This whole thread just came into focus for me.  Thanks!
-- 
john-thomas
------
Here is the test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If
you're alive, it isn't.
Richard Bach, writer (b. 1936)

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct  4 10:36:20 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:36:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gnome tracker issue
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On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 08:25 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 07:57 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 05:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 20:31 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > The root the of the issue here is that there is no extractor for PHP
> > > file types;  in Tracker an extractor exists for each file types and
> > > extracts the information from the file [ODT, DOCX, PDF, TXT, etc...] to
> > > be added to the index.  Extractors correspond to MIME types and the MIME
> > > type of a PHP file is, for some queer historical reason,
> > > "application/x-php".   Whereas Python files have a MIME type of
> > > "text/x-python" so if there isn't an extractor for "text/x-python" it
> > > falls back to extracting with "text/*".  Most code files are treated as
> > > text files: "text/x-c", "text/x-c++", "text/x-java", "text/js", etc...
> > > But PHP is "application/*" for which there is, obviously, not default
> > > extractor.
> > > PHP developers, typically, being lower-case-d developers probably aren't
> > > going to write an extractor [which would be done in C].
> > > You can try telling Tracker's text extractor that it can extract PHP
> > > files by editing /usr/share/tracker/extract-rules/90-text-generic.rule
> > > and changing the Mimetypes directive from "text/*" to
> > > "text/*;application.php;".  And then restarting tracker - logging in and
> > > out would probably do that.  Then just touch the PHP files, when the
> > > tracker miner becomes idle again [tracker-control] check one of the PHP
> > > files using tracker-info.
> > I'm giving that a try.
> > Should "text/*;application.php;" be "text/*;application/x-php"?
> >  Do I have to 'touch' all the .php files to get them to be indexed? Can
> > I do that with a wildcard ("touch *php")?
> 
>  tracker-control --reindex-mime-yype="application/php"

My bad.  The MIME type should be application/x-php.

cat /usr/share/tracker/extract-rules/90-text-generic.rule
[ExtractorRule]
ModulePath=/usr/lib64/tracker-0.14/extract-modules/libextract-text.so
MimeTypes=text/*;application/x-php;

tracker-control --reindex-mime-yype="application/x-php"

It is working for me now, at least I'm seeing PHP files in the search
results.


From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 10:41:19 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:41:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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BASH being GNU's version of the shell, I'd
of thought the limit would be humongous.
As I mentioned, Stallman advocated decades
ago that programs use word lengths as limits.
In 1980 that would have been 8 and 16 bits
for PCs, but of course those didn't run Unix
yet.  But 32-bit machines running Unix did
start to appear about 25 years ago.  32-bits
is a big limit, and today, 64-bits ought to
hold everybody....

Anyway, the support person mentioned the
package FileZilla.  If that uses xargs, then
yes, I agree that is the way to go.  It then
probably gets around globbing altogether.
FTP works fine, even while it's 40 years old,
but for that feature, which I think is outdated
in its implementation.  Perhaps globbing
doesn't scale well at some point.

I'd still prefer an ssh connection, but that
doesn't seem available, at least on low
budget hosting plans like mine.....

   -- Bob


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The shell
> is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how long a
> command to accept and parse.
>
> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 11:40:15 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 08:40:15 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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Justhost.com will give you a shell account after a verification phone call,
on a $45 / year account.  So far, they've been excellent.
On Oct 4, 2012 9:43 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> BASH being GNU's version of the shell, I'd
> of thought the limit would be humongous.
> As I mentioned, Stallman advocated decades
> ago that programs use word lengths as limits.
> In 1980 that would have been 8 and 16 bits
> for PCs, but of course those didn't run Unix
> yet.  But 32-bit machines running Unix did
> start to appear about 25 years ago.  32-bits
> is a big limit, and today, 64-bits ought to
> hold everybody....
>
> Anyway, the support person mentioned the
> package FileZilla.  If that uses xargs, then
> yes, I agree that is the way to go.  It then
> probably gets around globbing altogether.
> FTP works fine, even while it's 40 years old,
> but for that feature, which I think is outdated
> in its implementation.  Perhaps globbing
> doesn't scale well at some point.
>
> I'd still prefer an ssh connection, but that
> doesn't seem available, at least on low
> budget hosting plans like mine.....
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The
>> shell is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how
>> long a command to accept and parse.
>>
>> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
>> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 11:55:55 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:55:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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Good to know.  Nothing like that shows
up on the web page, so I guess you just
have to ask.  The "Unlimited" GBs
of space and transfer lines have stars next
to them, and when I click on the
"Policy" link I get an error.  What to
make of that?

That's a very good price, sans
any gotchas. It's a promo price, so
another question is whether that carries
from year to year.

   -- Bob


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Justhost.com will give you a shell account after a verification phone
> call, on a $45 / year account.  So far, they've been excellent.
> On Oct 4, 2012 9:43 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BASH being GNU's version of the shell, I'd
>> of thought the limit would be humongous.
>> As I mentioned, Stallman advocated decades
>> ago that programs use word lengths as limits.
>> In 1980 that would have been 8 and 16 bits
>> for PCs, but of course those didn't run Unix
>> yet.  But 32-bit machines running Unix did
>> start to appear about 25 years ago.  32-bits
>> is a big limit, and today, 64-bits ought to
>> hold everybody....
>>
>> Anyway, the support person mentioned the
>> package FileZilla.  If that uses xargs, then
>> yes, I agree that is the way to go.  It then
>> probably gets around globbing altogether.
>> FTP works fine, even while it's 40 years old,
>> but for that feature, which I think is outdated
>> in its implementation.  Perhaps globbing
>> doesn't scale well at some point.
>>
>> I'd still prefer an ssh connection, but that
>> doesn't seem available, at least on low
>> budget hosting plans like mine.....
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The
>>> shell is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how
>>> long a command to accept and parse.
>>>
>>> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
>>> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:10:52 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:10:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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I must have talked to the wrong
person.  The chat person said they
did not offer shell accounts....

Did you just call them?  I did not say
that I knew someone that already had
one....

   -- Bob


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Justhost.com will give you a shell account after a verification phone
> call, on a $45 / year account.  So far, they've been excellent.
> On Oct 4, 2012 9:43 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BASH being GNU's version of the shell, I'd
>> of thought the limit would be humongous.
>> As I mentioned, Stallman advocated decades
>> ago that programs use word lengths as limits.
>> In 1980 that would have been 8 and 16 bits
>> for PCs, but of course those didn't run Unix
>> yet.  But 32-bit machines running Unix did
>> start to appear about 25 years ago.  32-bits
>> is a big limit, and today, 64-bits ought to
>> hold everybody....
>>
>> Anyway, the support person mentioned the
>> package FileZilla.  If that uses xargs, then
>> yes, I agree that is the way to go.  It then
>> probably gets around globbing altogether.
>> FTP works fine, even while it's 40 years old,
>> but for that feature, which I think is outdated
>> in its implementation.  Perhaps globbing
>> doesn't scale well at some point.
>>
>> I'd still prefer an ssh connection, but that
>> doesn't seem available, at least on low
>> budget hosting plans like mine.....
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The
>>> shell is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how
>>> long a command to accept and parse.
>>>
>>> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
>>> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:13:33 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:13:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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A P.S., the person said there is no
byte limit, but there is a file limit - 200K.
They don't care how big the files are.
Just the number.

So in effect there is a byte limit, since
there's no obvious way to exploit the
unlimited size.

   -- Bob


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> I must have talked to the wrong
> person.  The chat person said they
> did not offer shell accounts....
>
> Did you just call them?  I did not say
> that I knew someone that already had
> one....
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Justhost.com will give you a shell account after a verification phone
>> call, on a $45 / year account.  So far, they've been excellent.
>>  On Oct 4, 2012 9:43 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BASH being GNU's version of the shell, I'd
>>> of thought the limit would be humongous.
>>> As I mentioned, Stallman advocated decades
>>> ago that programs use word lengths as limits.
>>> In 1980 that would have been 8 and 16 bits
>>> for PCs, but of course those didn't run Unix
>>> yet.  But 32-bit machines running Unix did
>>> start to appear about 25 years ago.  32-bits
>>> is a big limit, and today, 64-bits ought to
>>> hold everybody....
>>>
>>> Anyway, the support person mentioned the
>>> package FileZilla.  If that uses xargs, then
>>> yes, I agree that is the way to go.  It then
>>> probably gets around globbing altogether.
>>> FTP works fine, even while it's 40 years old,
>>> but for that feature, which I think is outdated
>>> in its implementation.  Perhaps globbing
>>> doesn't scale well at some point.
>>>
>>> I'd still prefer an ssh connection, but that
>>> doesn't seem available, at least on low
>>> budget hosting plans like mine.....
>>>
>>>    -- Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this is pretty typical on all the unix's I am aware of.  The
>>>> shell is just a program, and the developer had to choose a size for how
>>>> long a command to accept and parse.
>>>>
>>>> When globbing, it is easy to pass this limit.  The xargs solution the
>>>> support person mentioned is the default answer IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:39:15 2012
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:39:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> Filezilla was the hosting site's suggestion
> when all the dust settled.
>
> The OS on their end is
>
> CentOS 4.9

That should be raising all kinds of red flags.

http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#Release_history

Regards,
- Robert

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:59:00 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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I don't use CentOS or pay any attention
to it.  What are a few of the red flags?

   -- Bob



On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Filezilla was the hosting site's suggestion
> > when all the dust settled.
> >
> > The OS on their end is
> >
> > CentOS 4.9
>
> That should be raising all kinds of red flags.
>
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#Release_history
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:58:08 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:58:08 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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Yep.  Old centos is far from ideal.  There's actually an item in their
control panel for requesting shell access.  Sounds like they don't educate
their sales/tier 1 support well either.  Sadly, neither of these facts
strike me as odd in the hosting business.  :-/
On Oct 4, 2012 11:39 AM, "Robert Citek" <robert.citek at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Filezilla was the hosting site's suggestion
> > when all the dust settled.
> >
> > The OS on their end is
> >
> > CentOS 4.9
>
> That should be raising all kinds of red flags.
>
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#Release_history
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:10:30 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:10:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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Re hosting business, yes.  Like many things,
there are just two states: everything works
satisfactorily, or "support" desk hell.

As for tech savvy, I just checked godaddy.com.
In part it appears to think that supporting a racecar
and having Danica Patrick imply she's going to
strip is good promotion for its webhosting
business.  Like most places, it confuses
"bandwidth" with the number of bytes you can
transfer a month.  It does have a byte storage
limit, but it's 150GB. Of course it also has a
lot of customers, so I suppose it does something
right.

One always hopes - assumes - there is someone
really technically competent running the basics,
but one can only assume that until they get into
trouble.

But then, I'm only will to spend $75 a year or
so to be able to access a remote hard drive, so
perhaps these services are as good as it gets.
I suspect that 95% or more of hobbyist users
don't pester them with any questions anyway....

   -- Bob

P.S., any tips for getting past tier 1?
Something like "can I speak to your manager."





On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep.  Old centos is far from ideal.  There's actually an item in their
> control panel for requesting shell access.  Sounds like they don't educate
> their sales/tier 1 support well either.  Sadly, neither of these facts
> strike me as odd in the hosting business.  :-/
> On Oct 4, 2012 11:39 AM, "Robert Citek" <robert.citek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Filezilla was the hosting site's suggestion
>> > when all the dust settled.
>> >
>> > The OS on their end is
>> >
>> > CentOS 4.9
>>
>> That should be raising all kinds of red flags.
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#Release_history
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Robert
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:11:58 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:11:58 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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They're massively understaffed / funded / motivated?  With a dash of lack
of transparency.   As you can imagine, security updates suffer accordingly.
I wouldn't trust a shared hosting account much anyway, though.

--tim
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:16:46 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:16:46 -0700
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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On Oct 4, 2012 11:11 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> P.S., any tips for getting past tier 1?
> Something like "can I speak to your manager."

The control panel had me call a direct number which was answered
"verification department".  They asked a question or two about account
details (last 4 CC digits sort of security theatre) and I was off to the
SSHing.

--tim
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:17:05 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:17:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
In-Reply-To: <CALL8gRarMJSBZ8OoioYZHnML66Y_pveDXVHLXMj3LkMyWE5CTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Seems like it.

Re trust, no, I don't put anything up
I don't have backed up multiple times
at home, and nothing with any content
I don't want the whole world to see.

An inlaw runs an IT department.  He's
constantly beefing about being able to
hire competent people.  Then there's being
on call 24/7, etc., etc.  It's perhaps amazing
things are as good as they are.....

    -- Bob


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> They're massively understaffed / funded / motivated?  With a dash of lack
> of transparency.   As you can imagine, security updates suffer accordingly.
> I wouldn't trust a shared hosting account much anyway, though.
>
> --tim
>
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From pilcheck at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:38:33 2012
From: pilcheck at gmail.com (Dan Pilcheck)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:38:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> Re hosting business, yes.  Like many things,
> there are just two states: everything works
> satisfactorily, or "support" desk hell.
>
> As for tech savvy, I just checked godaddy.com.
> In part it appears to think that supporting a racecar
> and having Danica Patrick imply she's going to
> strip is good promotion for its webhosting
> business.  Like most places, it confuses
> "bandwidth" with the number of bytes you can
> transfer a month.  It does have a byte storage
> limit, but it's 150GB. Of course it also has a
> lot of customers, so I suppose it does something
> right.
>
> One always hopes - assumes - there is someone
> really technically competent running the basics,
> but one can only assume that until they get into
> trouble.
>
> But then, I'm only will to spend $75 a year or
> so to be able to access a remote hard drive, so
> perhaps these services are as good as it gets.
> I suspect that 95% or more of hobbyist users
> don't pester them with any questions anyway....
>
>    -- Bob
>
> P.S., any tips for getting past tier 1?
> Something like "can I speak to your manager."
>
>

Bob,

Have you considered using a cheap VPS?

I use several - you get ssh and full control.
ChicagoVPS.net has been good & they are close.
Check http://LowEndBox.com/ for deals.

I'm not familiar with your requirements but
it might be worth considering.

-Dan

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 14:05:56 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:05:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] globbing
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Dan Pilcheck <pilcheck at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Re hosting business, yes.  Like many things,
> > there are just two states: everything works
> > satisfactorily, or "support" desk hell.
> >
> > As for tech savvy, I just checked godaddy.com.
> > In part it appears to think that supporting a racecar
> > and having Danica Patrick imply she's going to
> > strip is good promotion for its webhosting
> > business.  Like most places, it confuses
> > "bandwidth" with the number of bytes you can
> > transfer a month.  It does have a byte storage
> > limit, but it's 150GB. Of course it also has a
> > lot of customers, so I suppose it does something
> > right.
> >
> > One always hopes - assumes - there is someone
> > really technically competent running the basics,
> > but one can only assume that until they get into
> > trouble.
> >
> > But then, I'm only will to spend $75 a year or
> > so to be able to access a remote hard drive, so
> > perhaps these services are as good as it gets.
> > I suspect that 95% or more of hobbyist users
> > don't pester them with any questions anyway....
> >
> >    -- Bob
> >
> > P.S., any tips for getting past tier 1?
> > Something like "can I speak to your manager."
> >
> >
>
> Bob,
>
> Have you considered using a cheap VPS?
>
> I use several - you get ssh and full control.
> ChicagoVPS.net has been good & they are close.
> Check http://LowEndBox.com/ for deals.
>
> I'm not familiar with your requirements but
> it might be worth considering.
>
> -Dan
>
>
I'll check this out.  Thanks.

My requirements are simply lots
of storage, and transfer amounts
adequate for my needs.  I only
have hobby websites, but there's a
lot of stuff on them.  Hit rates are
totally modest, so adequate transfer
amounts per month are not large.
Nothing I do would blow any real
service out of the water, but I still
want the basics to be solid - uptime,
storage amounts, ease of transfer
and management.

   -- Bob
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From detrix42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 10:21:29 2012
From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:21:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo install
Message-ID: <CALeuQmefWJk4gZOSC4U2Fi=nrKeW0tHKBd3sgy1Ci5ui+zrQLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone. last week I decided to try Gentoo.  I followed the handbook,
compiled a kernel, but now I need to set up grub2 to find it. How do I do
that?  I have Linux Mint currently installed, which has the grub2.  I have
tried to add the gentoo, but I think I am missing something, like the
initramfs.  I am rechecking the handbook. Ok I did not compile to use the
initramfs, and I almost got it to work. It started booting then errors with
something like:

no filesystem can mount root

root is ext4. So now I am at a loss to what to do.

detrix
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From detrix42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 12:45:04 2012
From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:45:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gentoo install
In-Reply-To: <CALeuQmefWJk4gZOSC4U2Fi=nrKeW0tHKBd3sgy1Ci5ui+zrQLw@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I got on the gentoo irc, and got some help. It was a simple error.
 When I compiled the kernel, I did not enable the ext4 filesystem support.
oops. anyways, now to get a desktop manager.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com <detrix42 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone. last week I decided to try Gentoo.  I followed the handbook,
> compiled a kernel, but now I need to set up grub2 to find it. How do I do
> that?  I have Linux Mint currently installed, which has the grub2.  I have
> tried to add the gentoo, but I think I am missing something, like the
> initramfs.  I am rechecking the handbook. Ok I did not compile to use the
> initramfs, and I almost got it to work. It started booting then errors with
> something like:
>
> no filesystem can mount root
>
> root is ext4. So now I am at a loss to what to do.
>
> detrix
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From megadave at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:49:41 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:49:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
Message-ID: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a laser printer (parallel, I have a usb->parallel adapter)),
a multifunction inkjet/scaner (usb), and a flatbed scanner (scsi, but
I have a usb->scsi adapter). The most convenient place for this is on
the opposite side of the room from where my main workstation is.

Previously, I had a PII with a basic debian install with said devices
connected, running cups and sane, so as to facilitate printing and
scanning over the network.

I have since replaced this with an R-Pi, but for some reason it keeps
crashing. (Yes it has separate powered usb hub for all the USB stuff.
It has a 1000mA power source for the R-Pi itself, and both are on a
UPS)

I'd really prefer a solid state device rather than a PC with drives
and fans - I'd like it quiet and low power.

What I'd *really* like to do is replace this with an inexpensive
device like one of these:

http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=46

http://hawkingtech.com/products/wired_networking/print_servers/hmps1u.html

*BUT* I can't seem to identify one of these types of devices for which
the scanning function is either compatible with SANE-net, or even
allows scanning from a web browser - everything seems to support
scanning only with the included proprietary windows-only tool (some
support Macs too).

If anyone knows of anything like these that doesn't require windows
for scanning, I'd love to hear about it.

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Oct  8 13:54:07 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:54:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 13:49 -0400, megadave wrote:
> *BUT* I can't seem to identify one of these types of devices for which
> the scanning function is either compatible with SANE-net, or even
> allows scanning from a web browser - everything seems to support
> scanning only with the included proprietary windows-only tool (some
> support Macs too).

I have a Brother MFC-9970CDW;  it will scan to SMTP or FTP and possibly
other targets.  It works great.  And you get a scanner with a document
feeder.

And it support IPv6.

<http://www.brothermall.com/MFC/ProdDetail?Model=MFC9970CDW>


From megadave at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:59:15 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:59:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>

Just to clarify:

I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.

I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.



On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 13:49 -0400, megadave wrote:
>> *BUT* I can't seem to identify one of these types of devices for which
>> the scanning function is either compatible with SANE-net, or even
>> allows scanning from a web browser - everything seems to support
>> scanning only with the included proprietary windows-only tool (some
>> support Macs too).
>
> I have a Brother MFC-9970CDW;  it will scan to SMTP or FTP and possibly
> other targets.  It works great.  And you get a scanner with a document
> feeder.
>
> And it support IPv6.
>
> <http://www.brothermall.com/MFC/ProdDetail?Model=MFC9970CDW>
>
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Oct  8 17:47:27 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:47:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
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Message-ID: <1349732847.3854.2.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 13:59 -0400, megadave wrote:
> Just to clarify:
> I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.
> I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
> via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.

At that price point there is no solution.

For ~$50-75 you can get USB-over-IP 'device servers'.

Like
<www.amazon.com/StarTech-Port-Device-Server-USB4000IP/dp/B0024G48MY>

I've talked to people who have used these successfully to control
industrial battery chargers; but your network needs to be really well
put together and the software is twitchy.

I haven't used them first-hand.

> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 13:49 -0400, megadave wrote:
> >> *BUT* I can't seem to identify one of these types of devices for which
> >> the scanning function is either compatible with SANE-net, or even
> >> allows scanning from a web browser - everything seems to support
> >> scanning only with the included proprietary windows-only tool (some
> >> support Macs too).
> > I have a Brother MFC-9970CDW;  it will scan to SMTP or FTP and possibly
> > other targets.  It works great.  And you get a scanner with a document
> > feeder.
> > And it support IPv6.
> > <http://www.brothermall.com/MFC/ProdDetail?Model=MFC9970CDW>


From timschmidt at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 18:47:29 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:47:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <1349732847.3854.2.camel@linux-nysu.site>
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 <1349732847.3854.2.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <CALL8gRYQKFsQ9iDJ1X3z8ECbT38ERTudbWQf=MooA1T12mB3Ag@mail.gmail.com>

There _is_ a solution, and it's a wireless router, running OpenWRT.
These days, many new wireless routers can be had for ~$30, take about
5 minutes to flash with OpenWRT, and have a USB2 port for connecting a
printer, scanner, or USB hub with both.  OpenWRT not only has all the
software for sharing printers and scanners packaged, but makes them
pretty easy to admin from a web interface too.

Check out http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start for a list of devices.
Anything with a USB port should meet your needs.

--tim

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct  9 08:00:33 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Ebever)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:00:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
Message-ID: <ebxfjo0prxmtvfbh7d8x5rcy.1349784033645@email.android.com>

I got up this morning, opened the lid on my Fedora 17 box to bring it out of suspend and got only a blank screen. I powered down and restarted.  Got the Lenovo startup screen and the booting fedora screen but then nothing. Tried this several times to no avail. 

It may have completed the boot, since it seems to go into suspend mode when I put the lid down. 

Unfortunately I'm on the road (in GR) so I don-t have monitor to try it with.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

(Painfully typed on my Xoom.)

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct  9 08:11:02 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Ebever)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:11:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
Message-ID: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>

Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down completely. So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the box booted OK!?

Whatever.

Ebever <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:

>I got up this morning, opened the lid on my Fedora 17 box to bring it out of suspend and got only a blank screen. I powered down and restarted.  Got the Lenovo startup screen and the booting fedora screen but then nothing. Tried this several times to no avail. 
>
>It may have completed the boot, since it seems to go into suspend mode when I put the lid down. 
>
>Unfortunately I'm on the road (in GR) so I don-t have monitor to try it with.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks.
>
>(Painfully typed on my Xoom.)
>_______________________________________________
>grlug mailing list
>grlug at grlug.org
>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From patrick at upmerchants.com  Tue Oct  9 09:22:30 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:22:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>



On 10/08/2012 01:59 PM, megadave wrote:
> Just to clarify:
>
> I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.
>
> I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
> via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.
>
>
>    

Did this make it to the list yesterday?  I did not see it so my 
apologies if this is a double post.

If you were running a small debian pc before, would something like a 
sheevaplug work?

See "Debian on Plug Computers like the SheevaPlug and GuruPlug" at

http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/

Patrick

From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct  9 09:49:38 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:49:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZFJ7Vvy0DV+qNvLtA1oZ4Cq=62MvoEYw2x3oksQ+A+uJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello GRLUG,

GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10 @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.

Until further notice ALL GRLUG Socials will be @ The Warehouse.

Also bookmark the CONGA Calendar to view all of the local events:
http://conga-wm.org/calendar/

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 09:52:20 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:52:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZFJ7Vvy0DV+qNvLtA1oZ4Cq=62MvoEYw2x3oksQ+A+uJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZFJ7Vvy0DV+qNvLtA1oZ4Cq=62MvoEYw2x3oksQ+A+uJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB2cnBt4Fynw0czzTY+a3xx33Yzntk8x3UVG7USbO3qMPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will there be a social on Halloween?

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hello GRLUG,
>
> GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10 @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison.
>
> Until further notice ALL GRLUG Socials will be @ The Warehouse.
>
> Also bookmark the CONGA Calendar to view all of the local events:
> http://conga-wm.org/calendar/
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct  9 09:52:50 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:52:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

It happened again, coming out of suspend.
Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 08:11 -0400, Ebever wrote:
> Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down completely. So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the box booted OK!?
> 
> Whatever.
> 
> Ebever <ebever at researchintegration.org> wrote:
> 
> >I got up this morning, opened the lid on my Fedora 17 box to bring it out of suspend and got only a blank screen. I powered down and restarted.  Got the Lenovo startup screen and the booting fedora screen but then nothing. Tried this several times to no avail. 
> >
> >It may have completed the boot, since it seems to go into suspend mode when I put the lid down. 
> >
> >Unfortunately I'm on the road (in GR) so I don-t have monitor to try it with.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >(Painfully typed on my Xoom.)
> >_______________________________________________
> >grlug mailing list
> >grlug at grlug.org
> >http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Oct  9 10:53:10 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:53:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
 <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210090951030.7298@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Eric Beversluis wrote:

> It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
>
Have seen a similar situation coming out of hibernate with Ubuntu 12.04,
.. the problem appears to be that the X server hangs on restore.

My solution has been to drop to a shell prompt and kill the X daemon,
causing an X restart and a fresh X environment.

BTW -the assumption is that you are hibernating rather than suspending?
Might be good to check your power settings.

	Lee

From megadave at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:04:18 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:04:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
 <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen some info on that.. The problem comes down to being able to
find somewhere to obtain one. Anything I buy needs to be either "buy
in person at local brick&mortar" or order online and have shipped via
USPS only. So many online merchants offer only UPS or worse just vague
"standard shipping".

As it happens, I've done  bit more poking around. Tim suggested
finding a suitable OpenWRT device with USB, and since I'm already
familiar with OpenWRT I decided to do some more research in that area.
Availability is still the trick, but I did manage to find a Linksys
NSLU2 that I think will work for $45. (shipped USPS)

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/08/2012 01:59 PM, megadave wrote:
>>
>> Just to clarify:
>>
>> I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
>> via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Did this make it to the list yesterday?  I did not see it so my apologies if
> this is a double post.
>
> If you were running a small debian pc before, would something like a
> sheevaplug work?
>
> See "Debian on Plug Computers like the SheevaPlug and GuruPlug" at
>
> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/
>
> Patrick
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct  9 11:10:36 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:10:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210090951030.7298@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
 <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210090951030.7298@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1349795436.1650.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:53 -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> 
> > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> >
> Have seen a similar situation coming out of hibernate with Ubuntu 12.04,
> .. the problem appears to be that the X server hangs on restore.
> 
> My solution has been to drop to a shell prompt and kill the X daemon,
> causing an X restart and a fresh X environment.
Seems to be something different, since even restarting the computer
doesn't solve the problem. It's like when I power down using the power
button it doesn't really completely power down.

> 
> BTW -the assumption is that you are hibernating rather than suspending?
> Might be good to check your power settings.
> 
According to gnome-tweak-tool, the setting is for 'suspend' on closing
the lid


From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:17:17 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:17:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
 <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
 <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADi8XRsYZi_W_uYxd=GT9+pVxqU0p9NXREHQKQjVYprcU2k++w@mail.gmail.com>

oh get a pogoplug, you can pick one up for 50 bucks or so from bestbuy,  If
best buy stopped carrying them you can try ebay, or I have one without a
case I no longer need.  You can also use a mk802, or seagate dockstar but
they only have one usb port, they work with a hub.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've seen some info on that.. The problem comes down to being able to
> find somewhere to obtain one. Anything I buy needs to be either "buy
> in person at local brick&mortar" or order online and have shipped via
> USPS only. So many online merchants offer only UPS or worse just vague
> "standard shipping".
>
> As it happens, I've done  bit more poking around. Tim suggested
> finding a suitable OpenWRT device with USB, and since I'm already
> familiar with OpenWRT I decided to do some more research in that area.
> Availability is still the trick, but I did manage to find a Linksys
> NSLU2 that I think will work for $45. (shipped USPS)
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/08/2012 01:59 PM, megadave wrote:
> >>
> >> Just to clarify:
> >>
> >> I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.
> >>
> >> I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
> >> via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Did this make it to the list yesterday?  I did not see it so my
> apologies if
> > this is a double post.
> >
> > If you were running a small debian pc before, would something like a
> > sheevaplug work?
> >
> > See "Debian on Plug Computers like the SheevaPlug and GuruPlug" at
> >
> > http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct  9 11:36:05 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:36:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB2cnBt4Fynw0czzTY+a3xx33Yzntk8x3UVG7USbO3qMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZFJ7Vvy0DV+qNvLtA1oZ4Cq=62MvoEYw2x3oksQ+A+uJA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB2cnBt4Fynw0czzTY+a3xx33Yzntk8x3UVG7USbO3qMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEjNGpeBd+_8YsMT0JeNy2MZ-T_vDu-9wyDRb9ZqYCUDw@mail.gmail.com>

Um yea about that...I'll be trick-or-treating with the kiddies on Halloween
and may not be home by 8PM

And there is NO GRLUG Social on the 24th as the WMLUG meeting is on the
25th.





On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will there be a social on Halloween?
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> > Hello GRLUG,
> >
> > GRLUG Social Wednesday October 10 @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
> Jenison.
> >
> > Until further notice ALL GRLUG Socials will be @ The Warehouse.
> >
> > Also bookmark the CONGA Calendar to view all of the local events:
> > http://conga-wm.org/calendar/
> >
> > Casey DuBois
> > 616-808-6942
> > casey at grlug.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From megadave at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:56:22 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:56:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRsYZi_W_uYxd=GT9+pVxqU0p9NXREHQKQjVYprcU2k++w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
 <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
 <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADi8XRsYZi_W_uYxd=GT9+pVxqU0p9NXREHQKQjVYprcU2k++w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7keuqJrHB+bKK_CvnwHVBZLGcLv_v4iygrqNBSbswFubX7g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

I've ordered a Linksys NSLU2 that I think will work.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
> oh get a pogoplug, you can pick one up for 50 bucks or so from bestbuy,  If
> best buy stopped carrying them you can try ebay, or I have one without a
> case I no longer need.  You can also use a mk802, or seagate dockstar but
> they only have one usb port, they work with a hub.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've seen some info on that.. The problem comes down to being able to
>> find somewhere to obtain one. Anything I buy needs to be either "buy
>> in person at local brick&mortar" or order online and have shipped via
>> USPS only. So many online merchants offer only UPS or worse just vague
>> "standard shipping".
>>
>> As it happens, I've done  bit more poking around. Tim suggested
>> finding a suitable OpenWRT device with USB, and since I'm already
>> familiar with OpenWRT I decided to do some more research in that area.
>> Availability is still the trick, but I did manage to find a Linksys
>> NSLU2 that I think will work for $45. (shipped USPS)
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/08/2012 01:59 PM, megadave wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just to clarify:
>> >>
>> >> I'm not looking to buy a new $600 printer/scanner.
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking to buy a $30 box to connect to an existing printer/scanner
>> >> via USB, and to my network via wired Ethernet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Did this make it to the list yesterday?  I did not see it so my
>> > apologies if
>> > this is a double post.
>> >
>> > If you were running a small debian pc before, would something like a
>> > sheevaplug work?
>> >
>> > See "Debian on Plug Computers like the SheevaPlug and GuruPlug" at
>> >
>> > http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > grlug mailing list
>> > grlug at grlug.org
>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Tue Oct  9 12:38:42 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:38:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
 <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
 <CAFP7ketogLKu7znN2jLHgNVsbe0g2-KbaZKkzPanG6VBcUbQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1349800722.2147.3.camel@p105s6207.site>

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 11:04 -0400, megadave wrote:
> I've seen some info on that.. The problem comes down to being able to
> find somewhere to obtain one. Anything I buy needs to be either "buy
> in person at local brick&mortar" or order online and have shipped via
> USPS only. So many online merchants offer only UPS or worse just vague
> "standard shipping".
> As it happens, I've done  bit more poking around. Tim suggested
> finding a suitable OpenWRT device with USB, and since I'm already
> familiar with OpenWRT I decided to do some more research in that area.
> Availability is still the trick, but I did manage to find a Linksys
> NSLU2 that I think will work for $45. (shipped USPS)

Excellent, be sure to post back later how well this works.

My experience with using OpenWRT to drive devices is that it "works" but
falls apart under real-world load (you can print a man page, but
printing a slide deck - nope).   But I was using a Linksys WRT54GL
[which does have an 'undocumented' USB port].  Maybe the newer WAPs have
more gas, and obviously the software has evolved.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Tue Oct  9 12:42:48 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:42:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").

Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.

> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 08:11 -0400, Ebever wrote:
> > Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down 
>>  completely. 

On steady, or blinking?

How did you "shutdown"?

>> So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the >> box booted
>> OK!?

Yep, that forces a real cold start.

Suspend/resume issues used to be common in Linux, and I think still
plague some video hardware.  But generally it works really well.


From timschmidt at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 12:56:39 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:56:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <1349800722.2147.3.camel@p105s6207.site>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
<awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
> Maybe the newer WAPs have
> more gas, and obviously the software has evolved.

They certainly do.  $70 got me some TP-Link WNR3600(?) wireless
routers recently.  580Mhz MIPS machines w/128Mb ram, 5x gigabit
ethernet ports, dual 300Mbit/s N radios, and 2x 480Mbit/s USB2 ports.
They're significantly more capable than the 200Mhz / 32Mb ram /
12Mbit/s USB machines of yesteryear.

--tim

From megadave at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 13:44:59 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 13:44:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CALL8gRbLEt1uQcXHkqzmfu2ukzEqZm_xiog5eDfBR53ottwo_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
 <50742516.7020206@upmerchants.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFP7ketRvrDggO6dsUmNjWcQfz=8LT=7eHE11xYGmz055ADwAg@mail.gmail.com>

Any thoughts on the NSLU2? (Yes, its a bit late now since its ordered
already.. :)

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
> <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:
>> Maybe the newer WAPs have
>> more gas, and obviously the software has evolved.
>
> They certainly do.  $70 got me some TP-Link WNR3600(?) wireless
> routers recently.  580Mhz MIPS machines w/128Mb ram, 5x gigabit
> ethernet ports, dual 300Mbit/s N radios, and 2x 480Mbit/s USB2 ports.
> They're significantly more capable than the 200Mhz / 32Mb ram /
> 12Mbit/s USB machines of yesteryear.
>
> --tim
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From timschmidt at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 14:00:54 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:00:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketRvrDggO6dsUmNjWcQfz=8LT=7eHE11xYGmz055ADwAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any thoughts on the NSLU2? (Yes, its a bit late now since its ordered
> already.. :)

It's of the older generation.  I was going to send you a
recommendation after I saw you leaning toward it, but I didn't jump
quickly enough.  Still, I have a half dozen similar devices (Netgear
WGT634U running the latest OpenWRT) still toiling away thanklessly,
without so much as a hiccup in years.  I consider a wireless router,
with a USB port, running OpenWRT to be network duct tape.  In a pinch
it can function as anything from a wireless network adapter, bridge,
repeater, ethernet switch, print / scanner server, file server,
network attached web camera, whatever.  You can never have too many at
your disposal.

--tim

From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 15:00:35 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:00:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CALL8gRZbqBg9ErzS54HumO-nt-HaiQNpk3Ln+PhftgY4ak0Diw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1349718847.3872.14.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADi8XRt+9jjPq=y6i0fKQfjO8So39_r58OLj=+uFnFTaCR5Q7A@mail.gmail.com>

great device once you put debian on it, it will be a little slower than the
pi but should work great for what you are doing

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any thoughts on the NSLU2? (Yes, its a bit late now since its ordered
> > already.. :)
>
> It's of the older generation.  I was going to send you a
> recommendation after I saw you leaning toward it, but I didn't jump
> quickly enough.  Still, I have a half dozen similar devices (Netgear
> WGT634U running the latest OpenWRT) still toiling away thanklessly,
> without so much as a hiccup in years.  I consider a wireless router,
> with a USB port, running OpenWRT to be network duct tape.  In a pinch
> it can function as anything from a wireless network adapter, bridge,
> repeater, ethernet switch, print / scanner server, file server,
> network attached web camera, whatever.  You can never have too many at
> your disposal.
>
> --tim
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Tue Oct  9 15:47:21 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:47:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <20121009194721.GB22746@mint>

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:42:48PM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> 
> Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.
> 
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 08:11 -0400, Ebever wrote:
> > > Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down 
> >>  completely. 
> 
> On steady, or blinking?
> 
> How did you "shutdown"?
> 
> >> So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the >> box booted
> >> OK!?
> 
> Yep, that forces a real cold start.
> 
> Suspend/resume issues used to be common in Linux, and I think still
> plague some video hardware.  But generally it works really well.

Sometimes my laptop won't wake up fully.  It stays drowsy; the display
is lighted, but all black.  Most of the time closing the lid for a
moment and then reopening it forces another suspend / wake cycle and all
is well again.  Sometimes (rarely) a hard reset is necessary.  I blame
the nVidia binary drivers.  If Nouveau had a clue about my chipset I'd
consider switching.
-- 
john-thomas
------
We should not write so that it is possible for the reader to understand us,
but so that it is impossible for him to misunderstand us.
Marcus Fabius Quintilianus, rhetorician (c. 35-100)

From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct  9 16:45:56 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:45:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <20121009194721.GB22746@mint>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <1349815556.1705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:47 -0400, John-Thomas Richards wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:42:48PM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> > 
> > Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 08:11 -0400, Ebever wrote:
> > > > Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down 
> > >>  completely. 
> > 
> > On steady, or blinking?
> > 
> > How did you "shutdown"?
> > 
> > >> So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the >> box booted
> > >> OK!?
> > 
> > Yep, that forces a real cold start.
> > 
> > Suspend/resume issues used to be common in Linux, and I think still
> > plague some video hardware.  But generally it works really well.
> 
> Sometimes my laptop won't wake up fully.  It stays drowsy; the display
> is lighted, but all black.  Most of the time closing the lid for a
> moment and then reopening it forces another suspend / wake cycle and all
> is well again.  Sometimes (rarely) a hard reset is necessary.  I blame
> the nVidia binary drivers.  If Nouveau had a clue about my chipset I'd
> consider switching.

I'll try the lid-down bit. Thanks.



From ebever at researchintegration.org  Wed Oct 10 20:18:02 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:18:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Where is warehouse?
Message-ID: <3FB9FC18-4FDA-4510-9451-BE744D8A8260@researchintegration.org>

Mapquest an iPhone put me on Baldwin and back onto 196 toward gr.

Sent from my iPhone

From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 20:19:16 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:19:16 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Where is warehouse?
In-Reply-To: <3FB9FC18-4FDA-4510-9451-BE744D8A8260@researchintegration.org>
References: <3FB9FC18-4FDA-4510-9451-BE744D8A8260@researchintegration.org>
Message-ID: <50761084.6090606@gmail.com>

its at river and baldwin.  theres a house at 112 baldwin.  theres a 
yellow bear in a raincoat at the corner.

it is on baldwin on teh way to the highway.



On 10/10/2012 08:18 PM, Eric wrote:
> Mapquest an iPhone put me on Baldwin and back onto 196 toward gr.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 15:57:45 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:57:45 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] linux friendly print/scan server device?
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRt+9jjPq=y6i0fKQfjO8So39_r58OLj=+uFnFTaCR5Q7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7kess1h2xv-JuhOU5-CqsLcA77hhGUpOkCOc1wfWC0O5MZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFP7kev7yGiT4hKniXcdHZMGFOuksXkyb1i8kJBt0=FZj7h17w@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I got it the other day. I put openwrt on, not debian.

After about a day's worth of screwing around with it I've manage to
get it doing what I wanted it to do.

Due to its very limited internal storage,  I added a USB flash drive
to use as "overlay" for its unionfs.

After some screwing around, (and  bit of swearing) I have hplip, cups,
saned humming along nicely. I decided to leave my parallel laser on
the old jetdirect box I have.

There is no foomatic for cups in openwrt, so I ended up using an
xinetd entry to just make the USB printer appear as a raw
appsocket/jetdirect to cups on my workstation(s), which of course do
have all that. One bit of contention is that openwrt's usb printer
kernel mod conflicts with the one provided by hplip, so that was a bit
of a trick. Also some issues with cups where the permissions on stuff
werent as it assumed they would be.

All told, I'm happy with it.



On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
> great device once you put debian on it, it will be a little slower than the
> pi but should work great for what you are doing
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Any thoughts on the NSLU2? (Yes, its a bit late now since its ordered
>> > already.. :)
>>
>> It's of the older generation.  I was going to send you a
>> recommendation after I saw you leaning toward it, but I didn't jump
>> quickly enough.  Still, I have a half dozen similar devices (Netgear
>> WGT634U running the latest OpenWRT) still toiling away thanklessly,
>> without so much as a hiccup in years.  I consider a wireless router,
>> with a USB port, running OpenWRT to be network duct tape.  In a pinch
>> it can function as anything from a wireless network adapter, bridge,
>> repeater, ethernet switch, print / scanner server, file server,
>> network attached web camera, whatever.  You can never have too many at
>> your disposal.
>>
>> --tim
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 16:39:22 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:39:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Antivirus
Message-ID: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>

I figure i should be for sure and get antivirus/anti malware.  I have 
ubuntu 12.04 LTE.  can anyone reccommend one for me?

Thanks!

Kelly

From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 16:53:10 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:53:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>
References: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7kevpBQSTOzJm3e9Bx2UYiBXwfUC9NknF1kbrJM6L8OWujg@mail.gmail.com>

The only "viruses" for linux exist only as test cases in carefully
controlled lab environments.

There are none "in the wild".

So long as you are using this as a workstation only (not an Internet
server), connected to the net via a normal home router/firewall, there
is almost nothing to be concerned about.


On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Kelly Vanderwell
<kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I figure i should be for sure and get antivirus/anti malware.  I have ubuntu
> 12.04 LTE.  can anyone reccommend one for me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kelly
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Oct 13 18:54:22 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:54:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>
References: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1350168862.3287.2.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>

On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 16:39 -0400, Kelly Vanderwell wrote:
> I figure i should be for sure and get antivirus/anti malware.  I have 
> ubuntu 12.04 LTE.  can anyone reccommend one for me?

The primary malware tool on LINUX/UNIX is CLAMAV;  CLAMAV is packaged on
every mainstream LINUX distribution that I've met [so I assume that
includes Ubuntu].

The homepage of the project is <http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/>

I regularly scan my file library so as to avoid being a vector [there
isn't really any threat to me on a LINUX workstations or server, but you
don't want to store-and-forward tainted files].


From jjesse at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 20:38:01 2012
From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:38:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <1350168862.3287.2.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>
References: <5079D17A.2090000@gmail.com>
 <1350168862.3287.2.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <CAEmRL8X45yGVRBHJo5tK_Cq9DDk9bZrdN=KsLV1K6iWZsR6YNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Adam is correct clamav is packaged for Ubuntu... In the software center
search for clamav all one word.  Silly me tried to split it into 2 words
and was annoyed I couldn't find it.

Its there and is an easy install.

The issue is are receiving files from non-Linux users and storing them on
your desktop/laptop and then sending them or transferring them to Windows
machines?

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org
> wrote:

> On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 16:39 -0400, Kelly Vanderwell wrote:
> > I figure i should be for sure and get antivirus/anti malware.  I have
> > ubuntu 12.04 LTE.  can anyone reccommend one for me?
>
> The primary malware tool on LINUX/UNIX is CLAMAV;  CLAMAV is packaged on
> every mainstream LINUX distribution that I've met [so I assume that
> includes Ubuntu].
>
> The homepage of the project is <http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/>
>
> I regularly scan my file library so as to avoid being a vector [there
> isn't really any threat to me on a LINUX workstations or server, but you
> don't want to store-and-forward tainted files].
>
> _______________________________________________
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From detrix42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 08:46:22 2012
From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 08:46:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
Message-ID: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called "Revolution OS" and
its all about GNU, and Linux, and is available on Netflix. I did like it,
so I want to recommend it for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.

Jeret
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 09:59:18 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:59:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGEmmpWuPz=C1z75GzNHTKLpj_UP+CH8yzVXsmN3T_R6iw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! I will look for it.
On Oct 14, 2012 8:46 AM, "detrix42 at gmail.com" <detrix42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called "Revolution OS" and
> its all about GNU, and Linux, and is available on Netflix. I did like it,
> so I want to recommend it for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.
>
> Jeret
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 12:32:08 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:32:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/

It's an early 2002 documentary, with
a cast of Linux greats.  I wonder what
the big names would say today?

    -- Bob


On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:46 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com <detrix42 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called "Revolution OS" and
> its all about GNU, and Linux, and is available on Netflix. I did like it,
> so I want to recommend it for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.
>
> Jeret
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From kingpoiuy at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 12:52:58 2012
From: kingpoiuy at gmail.com (Clay Ashby)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:52:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>

Is it irony that I can't watch this on Linux?
On Oct 14, 2012 12:32 PM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/
>
> It's an early 2002 documentary, with
> a cast of Linux greats.  I wonder what
> the big names would say today?
>
>     -- Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:46 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com <detrix42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called "Revolution OS"
>> and its all about GNU, and Linux, and is available on Netflix. I did like
>> it, so I want to recommend it for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.
>>
>> Jeret
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From knightperson at zuzax.com  Sun Oct 14 13:12:06 2012
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:12:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507AF266.1080609@zuzax.com>

Most definitely! I don't suppose it's on Hulu Plus or anything?

On 10/14/2012 12:52 PM, Clay Ashby wrote:
>
> Is it irony that I can't watch this on Linux?
>
> On Oct 14, 2012 12:32 PM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bob.kline at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/
>
>     It's an early 2002 documentary, with
>     a cast of Linux greats.  I wonder what
>     the big names would say today?
>
>         -- Bob
>
>
>     On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:46 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:detrix42 at gmail.com> <detrix42 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:detrix42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called
>         "Revolution OS" and its all about GNU, and Linux, and is
>         available on Netflix. I did like it, so I want to recommend it
>         for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.
>
>         Jeret
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         grlug mailing list
>         grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>         http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     grlug mailing list
>     grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Oct 14 13:25:32 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:25:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210141225030.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012, Clay Ashby wrote:

> Is it irony that I can't watch this on Linux?
>
Sure you can - XP VM with VirtualBox Transparent Mode.

	Lee

From steveg at branchadventures.org  Sun Oct 14 15:29:01 2012
From: steveg at branchadventures.org (Steve @ HCS)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:29:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS - link to Google video
In-Reply-To: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507B127D.4020809@branchadventures.org>

Enjoyable...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409

On 10/14/2012 8:46 AM, detrix42 at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi everyone. Last night I watched a documentary called "Revolution OS" 
> and its all about GNU, and Linux, and is available on Netflix. I did 
> like it, so I want to recommend it for all us Linux folks.  Enjoy.
>
> Jeret
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 19:03:23 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:03:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210141225030.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210141225030.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+f9ZZs3x+jBMiSA_2m+ps5MOBhM9ffTvXyYXkk1=ugTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also with a Roku unit, which runs Linux....

  -- Bob



On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012, Clay Ashby wrote:
>
> > Is it irony that I can't watch this on Linux?
> >
> Sure you can - XP VM with VirtualBox Transparent Mode.
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From philip.robar at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 19:15:36 2012
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Robar Philip)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:15:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Revolution OS
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+f9ZZs3x+jBMiSA_2m+ps5MOBhM9ffTvXyYXkk1=ugTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmcjjNBV4S5y5ktccgxgY+uL-CFxMApOhDrvXq9YB-fomA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELsyD66_GnQE2OVOZFUzeZxYj2up0D67Kpr0P9PCQ6tNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2Hr-LAUGJFksm3n5kOtiiknKjmfvNMkKj3qMV4VywkUNkg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210141225030.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAFOq4E+f9ZZs3x+jBMiSA_2m+ps5MOBhM9ffTvXyYXkk1=ugTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAFB8285-497C-4C85-BCEC-1C515A58DA90@gmail.com>


On Oct 14, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also with a Roku unit, which runs Linux?.

Or an Android device, which also runs Linux?

Phil



From ebever at researchintegration.org  Mon Oct 15 09:16:07 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:16:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
 <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>
Message-ID: <1350306967.1668.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 12:42 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> 
> Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.
Where do I set this?



> 
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 08:11 -0400, Ebever wrote:
> > > Strange. I noticed the battery light was on even when it was shut down 
> >>  completely. 
> 
> On steady, or blinking?
> 
> How did you "shutdown"?
> 
> >> So removed batt for a moment. When it was replaced the >> box booted
> >> OK!?
> 
> Yep, that forces a real cold start.
> 
> Suspend/resume issues used to be common in Linux, and I think still
> plague some video hardware.  But generally it works really well.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



From casey at grlug.org  Mon Oct 15 11:30:07 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:30:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Software GR features John Hauck: Cudafy Me - Graphics
 Processor Programming in C# on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E8208B2E4FBFE44A83283C958ADE8126A3276F@MBX06.citservers.local>
References: <f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd80ffae3cc08.20121015145921@mail127.us2.mcsv.net>
 <E8208B2E4FBFE44A83283C958ADE8126A3276F@MBX06.citservers.local>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey GRLUG,
Please register if you can attend......

** **

** **

John Hauck: Cudafy Me - Graphics Processor Programming in C# and Windows 8

When: October 23rd, 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm

Where: Atomic Object, 941 Wealthy Street SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49506

Please RSVP if you'll be
attending<http://softwaregr.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd8&id=c5406ef0c6&e=0ffae3cc08>.
Thanks!****

The ThreadPool is fine for little dips, but this is the year to dive head
first into the GPGPU - the General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit. In
this talk we will be solving the traveling salesman problem by brute force.
That is, we will compute the length of every possible route connecting a
series of cities - to find the shortest one. We will do this entirely in
Visual Studio C# using three techniques: single-threaded CPU,
multi-threaded CPU, and the massively parallel GPGPU. We will spend most of
the time learning how to use NVidia's CUDA with HybridDSP's Cudafy. After
attending this talk you will see the universe as a massively parallel
phenomenon that is ripe for you to model it.****


About the speaker

John Hauck has been developing software professionally in Michigan since
1981, and focused on Windows-based development since 1988. For the past 17
years John has been working at LECO, a scientific laboratory instrument
company, where he manages software development. John also served as the
manager of software development at Zenith Data Systems, and as the Vice
President of software development at TechSmith. John loves the Lord, his
wife, their three kids, and sailing on Lake Michigan.****


       ****

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Oct 15 12:31:47 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:31:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1350306967.1668.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
 <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>
 <1350306967.1668.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1350318707.24018.1.camel@p105s6207.site>

On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 09:16 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 12:42 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> > Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.
> Where do I set this?

At boot, just append to the end of the boot string.


From brousch at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 13:48:07 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:48:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Software GR features John Hauck: Cudafy Me -
 Graphics Processor Programming in C# on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd80ffae3cc08.20121015145921@mail127.us2.mcsv.net>
 <E8208B2E4FBFE44A83283C958ADE8126A3276F@MBX06.citservers.local>
 <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB3AcupZXF6kkA-pAztA5ROPTvzBt2hWvd10AMZCBmuHhw@mail.gmail.com>

Casey must have read that post about how the best way to get help in Linux
is to troll for it. http://bash.org/?152037

So what's a good way to approach this on Linux, and do any of you fine
folks have experience doing so?


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> Hey GRLUG,
> Please register if you can attend......
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hauck: Cudafy Me - Graphics Processor Programming in C# and Windows 8
>
> When: October 23rd, 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm
>
> Where: Atomic Object, 941 Wealthy Street SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49506
>
> Please RSVP if you'll be attending<http://softwaregr.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd8&id=c5406ef0c6&e=0ffae3cc08>.
> Thanks!****
>
> The ThreadPool is fine for little dips, but this is the year to dive head
> first into the GPGPU - the General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit. In
> this talk we will be solving the traveling salesman problem by brute force.
> That is, we will compute the length of every possible route connecting a
> series of cities - to find the shortest one. We will do this entirely in
> Visual Studio C# using three techniques: single-threaded CPU,
> multi-threaded CPU, and the massively parallel GPGPU. We will spend most of
> the time learning how to use NVidia's CUDA with HybridDSP's Cudafy. After
> attending this talk you will see the universe as a massively parallel
> phenomenon that is ripe for you to model it.****
>
>
> About the speaker
>
> John Hauck has been developing software professionally in Michigan since
> 1981, and focused on Windows-based development since 1988. For the past 17
> years John has been working at LECO, a scientific laboratory instrument
> company, where he manages software development. John also served as the
> manager of software development at Zenith Data Systems, and as the Vice
> President of software development at TechSmith. John loves the Lord, his
> wife, their three kids, and sailing on Lake Michigan.****
>
>
>        ****
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/
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From casey at grlug.org  Mon Oct 15 13:57:19 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:57:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Software GR features John Hauck: Cudafy Me -
 Graphics Processor Programming in C# on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB3AcupZXF6kkA-pAztA5ROPTvzBt2hWvd10AMZCBmuHhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd80ffae3cc08.20121015145921@mail127.us2.mcsv.net>
 <E8208B2E4FBFE44A83283C958ADE8126A3276F@MBX06.citservers.local>
 <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB3AcupZXF6kkA-pAztA5ROPTvzBt2hWvd10AMZCBmuHhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZGpwQGkOtgNZU1cStaWc_QdZk84i8GreBw55DDnKL7Yxw@mail.gmail.com>

There seems to be a ton of CUDA programming options but why no Linux
versions lately?

The last Linux article I could find was 2010:
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7791/

Has anyone used Linux on GPU's?

Is there a Linux Version that I'm not aware of?

Casey





On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Casey must have read that post about how the best way to get help in Linux
> is to troll for it. http://bash.org/?152037
>
> So what's a good way to approach this on Linux, and do any of you fine
> folks have experience doing so?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey GRLUG,
>> Please register if you can attend......
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> John Hauck: Cudafy Me - Graphics Processor Programming in C# and Windows 8
>>
>> When: October 23rd, 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm
>>
>> Where: Atomic Object, 941 Wealthy Street SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49506
>>
>> Please RSVP if you'll be attending<http://softwaregr.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd8&id=c5406ef0c6&e=0ffae3cc08>.
>> Thanks!****
>>
>> The ThreadPool is fine for little dips, but this is the year to dive head
>> first into the GPGPU - the General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit. In
>> this talk we will be solving the traveling salesman problem by brute force.
>> That is, we will compute the length of every possible route connecting a
>> series of cities - to find the shortest one. We will do this entirely in
>> Visual Studio C# using three techniques: single-threaded CPU,
>> multi-threaded CPU, and the massively parallel GPGPU. We will spend most of
>> the time learning how to use NVidia's CUDA with HybridDSP's Cudafy. After
>> attending this talk you will see the universe as a massively parallel
>> phenomenon that is ripe for you to model it.****
>>
>>
>> About the speaker
>>
>> John Hauck has been developing software professionally in Michigan since
>> 1981, and focused on Windows-based development since 1988. For the past 17
>> years John has been working at LECO, a scientific laboratory instrument
>> company, where he manages software development. John also served as the
>> manager of software development at Zenith Data Systems, and as the Vice
>> President of software development at TechSmith. John loves the Lord, his
>> wife, their three kids, and sailing on Lake Michigan.****
>>
>>
>>        ****
>>
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 13:59:28 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:59:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Software GR features John Hauck: Cudafy Me -
 Graphics Processor Programming in C# on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZGpwQGkOtgNZU1cStaWc_QdZk84i8GreBw55DDnKL7Yxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd80ffae3cc08.20121015145921@mail127.us2.mcsv.net>
 <E8208B2E4FBFE44A83283C958ADE8126A3276F@MBX06.citservers.local>
 <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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OpenCL is the path to take. But CUDA works if you have the closed nVidia
driver.

There are a few programs (mostly graphics processing related) which can use
OpenCL or CUDA 'out of the box'. This works pretty much automagically on
Gentoo...I haven't tried it on other distros.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> There seems to be a ton of CUDA programming options but why no Linux
> versions lately?
>
> The last Linux article I could find was 2010:
> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7791/
>
> Has anyone used Linux on GPU's?
>
> Is there a Linux Version that I'm not aware of?
>
> Casey
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Casey must have read that post about how the best way to get help in
>> Linux is to troll for it. http://bash.org/?152037
>>
>> So what's a good way to approach this on Linux, and do any of you fine
>> folks have experience doing so?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey GRLUG,
>>> Please register if you can attend......
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> John Hauck: Cudafy Me - Graphics Processor Programming in C# and Windows
>>> 8
>>>
>>> When: October 23rd, 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm
>>>
>>> Where: Atomic Object, 941 Wealthy Street SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49506
>>>
>>> Please RSVP if you'll be attending<http://softwaregr.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=f3c4b0ffb20d0f119415fffd8&id=c5406ef0c6&e=0ffae3cc08>.
>>> Thanks!****
>>>
>>> The ThreadPool is fine for little dips, but this is the year to dive
>>> head first into the GPGPU - the General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit.
>>> In this talk we will be solving the traveling salesman problem by brute
>>> force. That is, we will compute the length of every possible route
>>> connecting a series of cities - to find the shortest one. We will do this
>>> entirely in Visual Studio C# using three techniques: single-threaded CPU,
>>> multi-threaded CPU, and the massively parallel GPGPU. We will spend most of
>>> the time learning how to use NVidia's CUDA with HybridDSP's Cudafy. After
>>> attending this talk you will see the universe as a massively parallel
>>> phenomenon that is ripe for you to model it.****
>>>
>>>
>>> About the speaker
>>>
>>> John Hauck has been developing software professionally in Michigan since
>>> 1981, and focused on Windows-based development since 1988. For the past 17
>>> years John has been working at LECO, a scientific laboratory instrument
>>> company, where he manages software development. John also served as the
>>> manager of software development at Zenith Data Systems, and as the Vice
>>> President of software development at TechSmith. John loves the Lord, his
>>> wife, their three kids, and sailing on Lake Michigan.****
>>>
>>>
>>>        ****
>>>
>>> Casey DuBois
>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
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> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Oct 15 14:02:54 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:02:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Software GR features John Hauck: Cudafy Me -
 Graphics Processor Programming in C# on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZGpwQGkOtgNZU1cStaWc_QdZk84i8GreBw55DDnKL7Yxw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAH4FDZFHR+DMfYP4Uo=ez6_ftDGhGPih73qZamdoymChrVUS0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1350324174.4564.24.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:57 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> There seems to be a ton of CUDA programming options but why no Linux
> versions lately?

I'm confused by the "tons of CUDA  ... options".  
CUDA = nVidia. 
There can be only one.

There is an Open Source CUDA project <http://cuda-z.sourceforge.net/>
which looks alive.

> Has anyone used Linux on GPU's?

I have not.




From casey at grlug.org  Mon Oct 15 16:48:33 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:48:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to 512MB,
 but will stay at its original price
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to 512MB, but will stay at
its original price
http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/raspberry-pi-now-ships-with-more-ram





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616-808-6942
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From rpusztai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 19:37:28 2012
From: rpusztai at gmail.com (Ryan Pusztai)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:37:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>

This is great news. They also tweaked a couple of other things to. Like CEC
hdmi lines for better signal. :)
--
Regards,
Ryan

Sent from my Droid
On Oct 15, 2012 4:48 PM, "Casey DuBois" <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to 512MB, but will stay
> at its original price
> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/raspberry-pi-now-ships-with-more-ram
>
>
>
>
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From newtoz at mozor.net  Mon Oct 15 20:25:06 2012
From: newtoz at mozor.net (Greg Stoike)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:25:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>

And mine finally shipped last week =/

I have incredible timing. I guess this means I'm going to have to get
another one soon.
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 20:38:11 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:38:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFOq4ELiMDMxP+W+fEP5_+E4=zsKJ4CTG9YH88CHCNA_39PiJw@mail.gmail.com>

What are you going to do with it?

    -- Bob


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:

> And mine finally shipped last week =/
>
> I have incredible timing. I guess this means I'm going to have to get
> another one soon.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From newtoz at mozor.net  Mon Oct 15 21:25:30 2012
From: newtoz at mozor.net (Greg Stoike)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:25:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4ELiMDMxP+W+fEP5_+E4=zsKJ4CTG9YH88CHCNA_39PiJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>

Only ideas I've had were:

Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.

I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one to
work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough time
to completely redo.

I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I stopped
checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it took
them forever and a day to ship mine.


These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 21:40:22 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:40:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELiMDMxP+W+fEP5_+E4=zsKJ4CTG9YH88CHCNA_39PiJw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+Djfc8RzAZD5upG2WPABWd=v1YXRMa34e6cJ6Jh0P4JQ@mail.gmail.com>

What have others in this group done
with them so far?

What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
low cost case?

Has Raspberry caught up with demand
yet? i.e., has the time from order to
delivery shortened any?

    -- Bob



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:

> Only ideas I've had were:
>
> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>
> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
> time to completely redo.
>
> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>
>
> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 22:27:43 2012
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:27:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
	512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+Djfc8RzAZD5upG2WPABWd=v1YXRMa34e6cJ6Jh0P4JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1350354463.94485.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

look at 
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
for now shipping!!


?
There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!


________________________________
 From: Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
 

What have others in this group done
with them so far?

What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a?
low cost case?

Has Raspberry caught up with demand
yet? i.e., has the time from order to?
delivery shortened any?

? ? -- Bob




On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:

Only ideas I've had were:
>
>Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>
>I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough time to completely redo.
>
>I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>
>
>These things will probably turn into the experience I had with Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>
>_______________________________________________
>grlug mailing list
>grlug at grlug.org
>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 23:51:44 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:51:44 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <1350354463.94485.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELiMDMxP+W+fEP5_+E4=zsKJ4CTG9YH88CHCNA_39PiJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFOq4EJnVCwqJ-1iY-cqSp4sGm5DcWY2cYkDMtbN+7K=zQPBfA@mail.gmail.com>

Very interesting.  Nice to see that Sony
is making the boards.

What version of OS ships with the
$64 kit?

   -- Bob


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> look at
> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
> for now shipping!!
>
> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
> grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled
> to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
>
> What have others in this group done
> with them so far?
>
> What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
> low cost case?
>
> Has Raspberry caught up with demand
> yet? i.e., has the time from order to
> delivery shortened any?
>
>     -- Bob
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>
> Only ideas I've had were:
>
> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>
> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
> time to completely redo.
>
> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>
>
> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Tue Oct 16 09:14:00 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:14:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] PIM Help
Message-ID: <507D5D98.7020506@upmerchants.com>

A different kind of help.

I wrote a pim program and it is on sourceforge.net called Yellow PIM.

It is a collection of features found in Efficent PIM, Gnome / KDE pims, 
Outlook, Outlook Express and a few other programs. It features a 
calendar, contacts, diary, events, notes, reminders, tasks and a todo list.

I am looking for comments / feedback on the program.

If you would like to help me out then give it a try.

Thank you.

-- 
Patrick Goupell	

Income taxes?  See this http://www.truthattack.org or this http://www.whatistaxed.com


From ebever at researchintegration.org  Tue Oct 16 09:18:47 2012
From: ebever at researchintegration.org (Eric Beversluis)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:18:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] No screen
In-Reply-To: <1350318707.24018.1.camel@p105s6207.site>
References: <ntc9hlqyjbc9tq6lxk47nchh.1349784662730@email.android.com>
 <1349790770.1664.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1349800968.2147.6.camel@p105s6207.site>
 <1350306967.1668.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <1350318707.24018.1.camel@p105s6207.site>
Message-ID: <1350393527.1731.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 12:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 09:16 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 12:42 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 09:52 -0400, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > > > It happened again, coming out of suspend.
> > > > Any suggestions (other than "don't suspend").
> > > Try booting with acpi_osi=!Linux and see if that makes a difference.
> > Where do I set this?
> 
> At boot, just append to the end of the boot string.
Didn't seem to help.
1. Restarted (forced w/power button)
2. 'Esc' to get to boot commands
3. Select second line, "kernel...."
4. 'e' to edit that line
5.  Add 'acpi_osi=!Linux' to that line.
6. 'Enter' to accept the edits.
7. 'b' to boot

But still there is no display after recovery from suspend.

When I restart and go back to the boot command, the 'acpi_osi=!Linux'
was gone. Presumably it did affect the previous boot.

The strange thing is that this problem came on gradually. I had about a
month when the suspend worked fine. Then I occasionally had the problem
mentioned by John-Thomas where closing the lid again resulted in a
proper recovery from suspend. But then one morning nothing but a restart
would get the video back, and that not all the time.

The graphics card is ATI Technologies Inc AMD Radeon HD 6310
GraphicsATI. 

Should I reinstall the radeon driver? Or try to use the proprietary API
driver? Or is this an acpi problem?

Thanks.



From roger.roelofs at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 09:31:34 2012
From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:31:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] PIM Help
In-Reply-To: <507D5D98.7020506@upmerchants.com>
References: <507D5D98.7020506@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqrsisZ6W+BQ5hsEk_D=Uuu7r6YDJqat7iFynUXHekJfMcJyw@mail.gmail.com>

Patrick,

I gave it the 2 minute scan.  For good or ill, all my data belongs to
Google, so connectivity with the outside world is a must.  Also,
having the primary window take up my entire screen by default was
disappointing.  Those gripes aside, I like where you are going.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Patrick Goupell
<patrick at upmerchants.com> wrote:
> A different kind of help.
>
> I wrote a pim program and it is on sourceforge.net called Yellow PIM.
>
> It is a collection of features found in Efficent PIM, Gnome / KDE pims,
> Outlook, Outlook Express and a few other programs. It features a calendar,
> contacts, diary, events, notes, reminders, tasks and a todo list.
>
> I am looking for comments / feedback on the program.
>
> If you would like to help me out then give it a try.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Patrick Goupell
>
> Income taxes?  See this http://www.truthattack.org or this
> http://www.whatistaxed.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
Roger

Roger Roelofs
Know what you value.

From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct 16 09:39:54 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:39:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZGRr79rHT3cmwaCphNGpdQK48DTvT2QbA=j=UL-ipC4Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison
between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video and stuff
from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).

Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.


Casey

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:

> Only ideas I've had were:
>
> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>
> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
> time to completely redo.
>
> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>
>
> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 09:51:18 2012
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:51:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZGRr79rHT3cmwaCphNGpdQK48DTvT2QbA=j=UL-ipC4Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJdZESpEzPWVAic+dm0ZSy0sVGancdn_sUJzuCMKDYYpbG7fjQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might be
overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's and
the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
with linux and a few of the scripting languages.

I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some movement
sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or closed.  How
about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.



Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

>
> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison
> between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video and stuff
> from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>
> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>
>
> Casey
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>
>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>
>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
>> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
>> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>
>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
>> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
>> time to completely redo.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>
>>
>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct 16 09:54:48 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:54:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESpEzPWVAic+dm0ZSy0sVGancdn_sUJzuCMKDYYpbG7fjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFCC+OnEvbdhcvRGz7VMWriKM0xGQAFoQf0o4oa7+B99ZOV+Yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFOq4ELiMDMxP+W+fEP5_+E4=zsKJ4CTG9YH88CHCNA_39PiJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFCC+Ok3j0-xoHvYywtg0p-evczU7vhi_vkzi_Ps41x8bnxdOA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEpKoFyd_5i0rGF_3jfPFxYfPEZjKofT+_teZc_S_irkg@mail.gmail.com>

Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.

Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?

Casey


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:

> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might be
> overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's and
> the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>
> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some movement
> sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or closed.  How
> about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>
>
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison
>> between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video and stuff
>> from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>
>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>
>>
>> Casey
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>
>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
>>> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
>>> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>
>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
>>> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
>>> time to completely redo.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Tue Oct 16 09:59:13 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:59:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] PIM Help
In-Reply-To: <CAAqrsisZ6W+BQ5hsEk_D=Uuu7r6YDJqat7iFynUXHekJfMcJyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507D5D98.7020506@upmerchants.com>
 <CAAqrsisZ6W+BQ5hsEk_D=Uuu7r6YDJqat7iFynUXHekJfMcJyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507D6831.6000809@upmerchants.com>


On 10/16/2012 09:31 AM, Roger Roelofs wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> I gave it the 2 minute scan.  For good or ill, all my data belongs to
> Google, so connectivity with the outside world is a must.  Also,
> having the primary window take up my entire screen by default was
> disappointing.  Those gripes aside, I like where you are going.
>    
That was quick.

Noted the screen maximized on startup.  Will rethink it.

I don't use google for anything.  So I don't know what kind of data 
connectivity should be provided.  Any suggestions for what would help you?

Thanks for the look at it and feedback.

Patrick

From roger.roelofs at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 10:18:03 2012
From: roger.roelofs at gmail.com (Roger Roelofs)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:18:03 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] PIM Help
In-Reply-To: <507D6831.6000809@upmerchants.com>
References: <507D5D98.7020506@upmerchants.com>
 <CAAqrsisZ6W+BQ5hsEk_D=Uuu7r6YDJqat7iFynUXHekJfMcJyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <507D6831.6000809@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqrsiuYJh1qq+Na7iVJORixb+nSCVb8sm9uT7g=BiqaH=1x7A@mail.gmail.com>

Patrick,

Ideally connecting to google for contacts, calendars and tasks would
be great.  Google offers OAuth so you don't have to ask people for
their usernames and passwords, (but that might be easier).

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Patrick Goupell
<patrick at upmerchants.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/16/2012 09:31 AM, Roger Roelofs wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I gave it the 2 minute scan.  For good or ill, all my data belongs to
>> Google, so connectivity with the outside world is a must.  Also,
>> having the primary window take up my entire screen by default was
>> disappointing.  Those gripes aside, I like where you are going.
>>
>
> That was quick.
>
> Noted the screen maximized on startup.  Will rethink it.
>
> I don't use google for anything.  So I don't know what kind of data
> connectivity should be provided.  Any suggestions for what would help you?
>
> Thanks for the look at it and feedback.
>
> Patrick
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
Roger

Roger Roelofs
Know what you value.

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 10:33:21 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:33:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZEpKoFyd_5i0rGF_3jfPFxYfPEZjKofT+_teZc_S_irkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAH4FDZGRr79rHT3cmwaCphNGpdQK48DTvT2QbA=j=UL-ipC4Aw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJdZESpEzPWVAic+dm0ZSy0sVGancdn_sUJzuCMKDYYpbG7fjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEpKoFyd_5i0rGF_3jfPFxYfPEZjKofT+_teZc_S_irkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EJCtSttjVOKpTjhF69q+HZq5O_hhbiQtjrg7zjCwmptPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Panasonic network camera.
BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
use only."  People are welcome to play
with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
I can't even guarantee that it works...

   -- Bob




On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>
> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>
> Casey
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might be
>> overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's and
>> the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>
>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some movement
>> sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or closed.  How
>> about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Share and Enjoy
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>
>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>
>>>
>>> Casey
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>
>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Casey DuBois
>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:42:15 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:42:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EJCtSttjVOKpTjhF69q+HZq5O_hhbiQtjrg7zjCwmptPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would like
to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few others
where looking at the furnace setup last week.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a Panasonic network camera.
> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
> use only."  People are welcome to play
> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>
>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>
>> Casey
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>
>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some movement
>>> sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or closed.  How
>>> about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Share and Enjoy
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>
>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Casey
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>
>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct 16 13:47:35 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:47:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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If you bring it I'm pretty sure we can get it workin....



On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a Panasonic network camera.
> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
> use only."  People are welcome to play
> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>
>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>
>> Casey
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>
>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some movement
>>> sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or closed.  How
>>> about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Share and Enjoy
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>
>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Casey
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>
>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
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616-808-6942
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From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:53:24 2012
From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:53:24 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've got a pi
I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my Wednesdays are
full already.


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would like
> to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few others
> where looking at the furnace setup last week.
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
>> use only."  People are welcome to play
>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>>
>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>>
>>> Casey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or
>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Share and Enjoy
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Casey
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
>>>>>>
>>>>>
-- 
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Oct 16 13:56:52 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:56:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Will host on days other than Wednesday as soon as my schedule allows.
Casey

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Steven Scherbinski <
steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've got a
> pi I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my Wednesdays
> are full already.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would
>> like to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few
>> others where looking at the furnace setup last week.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
>>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
>>> use only."  People are welcome to play
>>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
>>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>>>
>>>    -- Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>>>
>>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>>>
>>>> Casey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
>>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or
>>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Share and Enjoy
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Casey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> --
> My Blog - http://sscherbinski.blogspot.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From topher at codeventure.net  Tue Oct 16 19:29:46 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:29:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] animated desktop wallpaper
Message-ID: <507DEDEA.9020403@codeventure.net>

I'm running e16, and I want to use one of Digital Blasphemy's mpg
wallpapers as my wallpaper.  I did it once years ago, and I can't
remember how, and google is failing me.

I *think* want I want to do it run mplayer on my X root window playing it.

Anyone know if I'm on the right track, and if so, how I'd run it on the
root window?

From topher at codeventure.net  Tue Oct 16 19:40:04 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:40:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] animated desktop wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <507DEDEA.9020403@codeventure.net>
References: <507DEDEA.9020403@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <507DF054.3020304@codeventure.net>

On 10/16/2012 07:29 PM, Topher wrote:
> I'm running e16, and I want to use one of Digital Blasphemy's mpg
> wallpapers as my wallpaper.  I did it once years ago, and I can't
> remember how, and google is failing me.
>
> I *think* want I want to do it run mplayer on my X root window playing it.
>
> Anyone know if I'm on the right track, and if so, how I'd run it on the
> root window?

I actually got it working, mplayer has a -rootwin flag.  My urxvt
semi-transparent terms still show the wallpaper behind it though.  Such
is life I guess.

From brousch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 08:32:41 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:32:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi into a laptop!
http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Will host on days other than Wednesday as soon as my schedule allows.
> Casey
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Steven Scherbinski
> <steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've got a
>> pi I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my Wednesdays are
>> full already.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would
>>> like to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few
>>> others where looking at the furnace setup last week.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
>>>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
>>>> use only."  People are welcome to play
>>>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
>>>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>>>>
>>>>    -- Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>>>>
>>>>> Casey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
>>>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or
>>>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Share and Enjoy
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Casey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
> --
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> 616-808-6942
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 17 09:45:02 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:45:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <1350354463.94485.YahooMailNeo@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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The MCM Electronics site seems to have the following status for Pi's: On
Backorder (Expected in 21 days)
And FREE shipping for 199 or more.

Casey


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> look at
> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
> for now shipping!!
>
> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
> grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled
> to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
>
> What have others in this group done
> with them so far?
>
> What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
> low cost case?
>
> Has Raspberry caught up with demand
> yet? i.e., has the time from order to
> delivery shortened any?
>
>     -- Bob
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>
> Only ideas I've had were:
>
> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>
> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
> time to completely redo.
>
> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>
>
> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 17 10:32:13 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:32:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Now MCM shows available.
Gonna try to order.





On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> The MCM Electronics site seems to have the following status for Pi's: On
> Backorder (Expected in 21 days)
> And FREE shipping for 199 or more.
>
> Casey
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> look at
>> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
>> for now shipping!!
>>
>> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
>> grlug at grlug.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled
>> to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
>>
>> What have others in this group done
>> with them so far?
>>
>> What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
>> low cost case?
>>
>> Has Raspberry caught up with demand
>> yet? i.e., has the time from order to
>> delivery shortened any?
>>
>>     -- Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>
>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>
>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
>> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
>> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>
>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
>> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
>> time to completely redo.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>
>>
>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>



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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 17 11:10:01 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:10:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey GRLUG,

My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/

How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
afternoon to build some rockets????

I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From brousch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:15:59 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:15:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB2h6VXZOkK3XCY87cq3GhYhru=PBOCDQf9PXo1waRGa_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Count me in. I used to shoot off rockets in high school, but I can't
find my launcher any more.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey GRLUG,
>
> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>
> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
> afternoon to build some rockets????
>
> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From megadave at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:21:52 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:21:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB2h6VXZOkK3XCY87cq3GhYhru=PBOCDQf9PXo1waRGa_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFP7kes4bLwheKHN4mKp9Ty6CPnd__YYycTj1cvGNjPvozR6+w@mail.gmail.com>

My son and I did a rocket or two some time ago.. He is 11, and I'm
sure he'd love to do this some more..  I think we still have a
not-yet-built kit in his room somewhere. (The rocket we had suffered
an unfortunate accident)

If the scheduling works out, we'll try to make it.


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> Count me in. I used to shoot off rockets in high school, but I can't
> find my launcher any more.
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> Hey GRLUG,
>>
>> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>>
>> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>> afternoon to build some rockets????
>>
>> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From greenhulk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:44:40 2012
From: greenhulk at gmail.com (Matthew Whitaker)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:44:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kes4bLwheKHN4mKp9Ty6CPnd__YYycTj1cvGNjPvozR6+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB2h6VXZOkK3XCY87cq3GhYhru=PBOCDQf9PXo1waRGa_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7kes4bLwheKHN4mKp9Ty6CPnd__YYycTj1cvGNjPvozR6+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOXNpG+xKH-LYGt_DKbdtuZwKtJwBTfq0VUyyQxca+kzTJOC8w@mail.gmail.com>

My two older sons would love this, I would definitely make an effort
to be there.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
> My son and I did a rocket or two some time ago.. He is 11, and I'm
> sure he'd love to do this some more..  I think we still have a
> not-yet-built kit in his room somewhere. (The rocket we had suffered
> an unfortunate accident)
>
> If the scheduling works out, we'll try to make it.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Count me in. I used to shoot off rockets in high school, but I can't
>> find my launcher any more.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>> Hey GRLUG,
>>>
>>> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>>> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>>> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>>>
>>> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>>> afternoon to build some rockets????
>>>
>>> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>>> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>>
>>> Casey DuBois
>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
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From mattmichielsen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:11:59 2012
From: mattmichielsen at gmail.com (Matt Michielsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:11:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZFvHwA-fUJ678=4KSc=m4Ch6uyZ+cSs25GXp665C1ifcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH_0ziQs+gdOh-C5SP97A2E2n1NigxNhSCoWeaXojVNvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZE2hcGS+0yyZSNWArPOOqD3_d4bAQ8732494bbSNYTRL2J9g@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll try to swing by tonight for a little bit, but can't make any promises.
If so, I will bring that webcam.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> Now MCM shows available.
> Gonna try to order.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> The MCM Electronics site seems to have the following status for Pi's: On
>> Backorder (Expected in 21 days)
>> And FREE shipping for 199 or more.
>>
>> Casey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> look at
>>> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
>>> for now shipping!!
>>>
>>> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>>>   ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
>>> grlug at grlug.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled
>>> to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
>>>
>>> What have others in this group done
>>> with them so far?
>>>
>>> What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
>>> low cost case?
>>>
>>> Has Raspberry caught up with demand
>>> yet? i.e., has the time from order to
>>> delivery shortened any?
>>>
>>>     -- Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>
>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage that
>>> will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video of a
>>> guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>
>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use one
>>> to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had enough
>>> time to completely redo.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Oct 17 13:14:22 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:14:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
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On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 11:15 -0400, Ben Rousch wrote:
> Count me in. I used to shoot off rockets in high school, but I can't
> find my launcher any more.

Just the other day I found my Yoda action figure;  so if your rocket
happens to crash in some mud [or in a corn field] I'll bring him so he
can levitate it back out for us.


From mglaske at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:14:35 2012
From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:14:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
Message-ID: <CAM2MJO20wCdDwjTUG63y--cd05Kr6OWJk+c=yERHB=R=yMkebA@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a good multifunction printer.  I've had HP printers in the
past, and they have worked well, however, I have become irritated at the
toner/ink logic that makes me replace them with their expensive ink/causes
issues with drivers if you use reman carts, etc.  But I am willing to
consider that they may be the lesser of two evils.  I have used Ricoh
printers in the past and love them, although the toner price is a bit high,
it may be worth it.  I have also used Xerox printers and have hated their
interfaces and drivers.  Basically what I'm looking for is:

1. Color printing, with ink that does not smudge (I have heard that some of
the brother inkjet printers have special ink)
2. Scanning to email that doesn't use an external service.  I want to point
it at my internal SMTP server.
3. Color copying
4. Network ready. Would prefer gigabit ethernet for fast transfer speeds,
but 100Mb is okay too. dont' care about wireless.
5. Must support standard languages (PCL PS), that can be used with generic
drivers if I want to.
6. Duplex option
7. Good paper tray - must hold at least 150-200 sheets of paper.
8. Good output tray - must hold at least 20 sheets or so without spilling
them onto the floor.
9. ADF - must be good and not jam.
10. Toner cost must be reasonable.  I don't want to spend $400 to replace
my 4 cartridges.
11. Must be somewhere between $300 and $600.

:)

Lots of requirements, but I want to buy one that I'll have for awhile.  It
will be replacing what I currently have (WHICH is available for sale if
anyone is interested):

HP Laserjet 2100dn - black and white network laser printer with extra paper
tray and good cartridge - $95 OBO
HP Laserjet 2550dn - color laserjet, I refilled the toners and put their
generic chips in it last time, needs a new drum (small discoloration in top
left quadrant) - $125 OBO
HP OfficeJet 9130 - color multifunction inkjet copier, printer, scanner,
33.6 fax.  Works EXCELLENT, but needs new ink cartridges - $195 OBO
HP ScanJet 5550c - color flat-bed scanner with ADF, works well, USB, - $50
OBO
These all work very well, but I don't want (4) devices anymore.  kept the
color laser because the officejet ink can smudge/run if wet.  Kept the B&W
laser because it's very nice output and fast, and kept the scanjet because
my wife was confused when using the 9130.

Thanks!
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From ptenhoopen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:24:59 2012
From: ptenhoopen at gmail.com (Patrick TenHoopen)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:24:59 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Pretty nifty!

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi into a laptop!
> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> Will host on days other than Wednesday as soon as my schedule allows.
>> Casey
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Steven Scherbinski
>> <steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've got a
>>> pi I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my Wednesdays are
>>> full already.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would
>>>> like to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few
>>>> others where looking at the furnace setup last week.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
>>>>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
>>>>> use only."  People are welcome to play
>>>>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
>>>>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>>>>>
>>>>>    -- Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Casey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It might
>>>>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar with plc's
>>>>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing familiarity
>>>>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
>>>>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are open or
>>>>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Share and Enjoy
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>>>>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC streaming video
>>>>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod phones).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Casey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> My Blog - http://sscherbinski.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



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From ptenhoopen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:30:37 2012
From: ptenhoopen at gmail.com (Patrick TenHoopen)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:30:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
my son were older, we'd be there.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey GRLUG,
>
> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>
> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
> afternoon to build some rockets????
>
> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



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From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:40:10 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:40:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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What they dont talk about is how the usb hub in the laptop dock messes up
the usb on the raspberry pi

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Pretty nifty!
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi into a laptop!
> >
> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> >> Will host on days other than Wednesday as soon as my schedule allows.
> >> Casey
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Steven Scherbinski
> >> <steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've got
> a
> >>> pi I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my
> Wednesdays are
> >>> full already.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would
> >>>> like to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a few
> >>>> others where looking at the furnace setup last week.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
> >>>>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
> >>>>> use only."  People are welcome to play
> >>>>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
> >>>>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    -- Bob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Casey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <
> flanderb at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It
> might
> >>>>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar
> with plc's
> >>>>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing
> familiarity
> >>>>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
> >>>>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are
> open or
> >>>>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security
> system.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Share and Enjoy
> >>>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
> >>>>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC
> streaming video
> >>>>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod
> phones).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Casey
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a
> webpage
> >>>>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat
> youtube video
> >>>>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually
> use
> >>>>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just
> haven't had
> >>>>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the
> device. I
> >>>>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while
> ago since it
> >>>>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
> >>>>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses
> for them. I
> >>>>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> My Blog - http://sscherbinski.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> grlug mailing list
> >>> grlug at grlug.org
> >>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Casey DuBois
> >> 616-808-6942
> >> casey at grlug.org
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From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 13:40:35 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:40:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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I will bring my most of my pie stuff with me tonight.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> What they dont talk about is how the usb hub in the laptop dock messes up
> the usb on the raspberry pi
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Pretty nifty!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi into a laptop!
>> >
>> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> >> Will host on days other than Wednesday as soon as my schedule allows.
>> >> Casey
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Steven Scherbinski
>> >> <steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Any chance we could do these on a day other than Wednesdays?  I've
>> got a
>> >>> pi I haven't done much with, and I would like to come, but my
>> Wednesdays are
>> >>> full already.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I will bring a my r-pis with me tomorrow, a webcam and stuff, I would
>> >>>> like to make my raspberry pi into a garage door opener.  I think a
>> few
>> >>>> others where looking at the furnace setup last week.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have a Panasonic network camera.
>> >>>>> BL-C210.  The wired type.  "For indoor
>> >>>>> use only."  People are welcome to play
>> >>>>> with it if they want.  It's brand new, so
>> >>>>> I can't even guarantee that it works...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    -- Bob
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Using it for security Cameras is something I want to try.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hey MM can U bring that webcam by on Wednesday?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Casey
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Benjamin Flanders <
>> flanderb at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would love to learn how to use the gpio's on these boards.  It
>> might
>> >>>>>>> be overkill to use this device as a plc, but I am not familiar
>> with plc's
>> >>>>>>> and the programming involved with them, but I do have a passing
>> familiarity
>> >>>>>>> with linux and a few of the scripting languages.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'd love to be able to hook this up to the furnace/ac with some
>> >>>>>>> movement sensors and servos have it control which registers are
>> open or
>> >>>>>>> closed.  How about hooking it up to a few cameras for a security
>> system.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Share and Enjoy
>> >>>>>>> Ben
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Stop by tomorrow's GRLUG Social @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St.,
>> >>>>>>>> Jenison between 8 and 10PM to see a raspberryPi with XBMC
>> streaming video
>> >>>>>>>> and stuff from the network (controlled by Apple and Andriod
>> phones).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Greg, bring your Message Board and we'll try to run it with a Pi.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Casey
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a
>> webpage
>> >>>>>>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat
>> youtube video
>> >>>>>>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to
>> eventually use
>> >>>>>>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just
>> haven't had
>> >>>>>>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the
>> device. I
>> >>>>>>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while
>> ago since it
>> >>>>>>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>> >>>>>>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses
>> for them. I
>> >>>>>>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> My Blog - http://sscherbinski.blogspot.com/
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> 616-808-6942
>> >> casey at grlug.org
>> >>
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>> >
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>> >    http://clusterbleep.net/
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 17 13:43:42 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:43:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM doubled to
 512MB, but will stay at its original price
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Sounds GREAT Thanks Matt.




On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Matt Michielsen
<mattmichielsen at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'll try to swing by tonight for a little bit, but can't make any
> promises. If so, I will bring that webcam.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Now MCM shows available.
>> Gonna try to order.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The MCM Electronics site seems to have the following status for Pi's: On
>>> Backorder (Expected in 21 days)
>>> And FREE shipping for 199 or more.
>>>
>>> Casey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joseph McLaughlin <jwm8351 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> look at
>>>> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
>>>> for now shipping!!
>>>>
>>>> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
>>>> grlug at grlug.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] The Raspberry Pi Model B has had its RAM
>>>> doubled to 512MB, but will stay at its original price
>>>>
>>>> What have others in this group done
>>>> with them so far?
>>>>
>>>> What's the prevailing solution, if any, for a
>>>> low cost case?
>>>>
>>>> Has Raspberry caught up with demand
>>>> yet? i.e., has the time from order to
>>>> delivery shortened any?
>>>>
>>>>     -- Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Greg Stoike <newtoz at mozor.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Only ideas I've had were:
>>>>
>>>> Use it as an internet radio device that I can control via a webpage
>>>> that will play through my stereo in my bedroom. I saw a neat youtube video
>>>> of a guy using xbmc for this that I'm going to try out first.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how possible this will be, but I want to eventually use
>>>> one to work with my message board that I aquirred but just haven't had
>>>> enough time to completely redo.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure I'll start thinking of more as soon as I get the device. I
>>>> stopped checking out what people were doing with them a while ago since it
>>>> took them forever and a day to ship mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These things will probably turn into the experience I had with
>>>> Atoms/Zacates. Once I got my hands on one, I kept finding uses for them. I
>>>> now have 2 Atoms and 2 Zacates. Marvelous creatures.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Oct 17 14:03:17 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:03:17 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
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On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 13:14 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote:
> Looking for a good multifunction printer.  I've had HP printers in the
> past, and they have worked well, however, I have become irritated at
> the toner/ink logic that makes me replace them with their expensive
> ink/causes issues with drivers if you use reman carts, etc.  But I am
> willing to consider that they may be the lesser of two evils.  I have
> used Ricoh printers in the past and love them, although the toner
> price is a bit high, it may be worth it.  I have also used Xerox
> printers and have hated their interfaces and drivers.  Basically what
> I'm looking for is:

Brother MFC-9970CDW

> 1. Color printing, with ink that does not smudge (I have heard that
> some of the brother inkjet printers have special ink)

Laser printer, so no smudging.  Good color consistency.

> 2. Scanning to email that doesn't use an external service.  I want to
> point it at my internal SMTP server.

Yep, I do that.

> 3. Color copying

Yep.

> 4. Network ready. Would prefer gigabit ethernet for fast transfer
> speeds, but 100Mb is okay too. dont' care about wireless.

Network ready, and support IPv6.

> 5. Must support standard languages (PCL PS), that can be used with
> generic drivers if I want to.

Yep.

> 6. Duplex option

Yep.

> 7. Good paper tray - must hold at least 150-200 sheets of paper.

Not sure what the count is.

> 8. Good output tray - must hold at least 20 sheets or so without
> spilling them onto the floor.

Absolutely, I print manuals.


> 9. ADF - must be good and not jam.

Yes, works great.

> 10. Toner cost must be reasonable.  I don't want to spend $400 to
> replace my 4 cartridges.

Same prices as every other printer I've owned or own.

> 11. Must be somewhere between $300 and $600.


High end of that, but you get what you pay for in printer land.  And the
touch-screen user interface is great.



From bob.kline at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 14:15:11 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:15:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
In-Reply-To: <1350496997.5181.5.camel@linux-nysu.site>
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_19?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=brother+mfc-9970cdw&sprefix=Brother+MFC-9970CDW%2Caps%2C198

Free shipping too, and no tax.

   -- Bob


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org
> wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 13:14 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote:
> > Looking for a good multifunction printer.  I've had HP printers in the
> > past, and they have worked well, however, I have become irritated at
> > the toner/ink logic that makes me replace them with their expensive
> > ink/causes issues with drivers if you use reman carts, etc.  But I am
> > willing to consider that they may be the lesser of two evils.  I have
> > used Ricoh printers in the past and love them, although the toner
> > price is a bit high, it may be worth it.  I have also used Xerox
> > printers and have hated their interfaces and drivers.  Basically what
> > I'm looking for is:
>
> Brother MFC-9970CDW
>
> > 1. Color printing, with ink that does not smudge (I have heard that
> > some of the brother inkjet printers have special ink)
>
> Laser printer, so no smudging.  Good color consistency.
>
> > 2. Scanning to email that doesn't use an external service.  I want to
> > point it at my internal SMTP server.
>
> Yep, I do that.
>
> > 3. Color copying
>
> Yep.
>
> > 4. Network ready. Would prefer gigabit ethernet for fast transfer
> > speeds, but 100Mb is okay too. dont' care about wireless.
>
> Network ready, and support IPv6.
>
> > 5. Must support standard languages (PCL PS), that can be used with
> > generic drivers if I want to.
>
> Yep.
>
> > 6. Duplex option
>
> Yep.
>
> > 7. Good paper tray - must hold at least 150-200 sheets of paper.
>
> Not sure what the count is.
>
> > 8. Good output tray - must hold at least 20 sheets or so without
> > spilling them onto the floor.
>
> Absolutely, I print manuals.
>
>
> > 9. ADF - must be good and not jam.
>
> Yes, works great.
>
> > 10. Toner cost must be reasonable.  I don't want to spend $400 to
> > replace my 4 cartridges.
>
> Same prices as every other printer I've owned or own.
>
> > 11. Must be somewhere between $300 and $600.
>
>
> High end of that, but you get what you pay for in printer land.  And the
> touch-screen user interface is great.
>
>
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From mglaske at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 14:26:26 2012
From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:26:26 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
In-Reply-To: <1350496997.5181.5.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CAM2MJO20wCdDwjTUG63y--cd05Kr6OWJk+c=yERHB=R=yMkebA@mail.gmail.com>
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Cool!  Do you know what the conditions are for replacing the toner
cartridges?

Looks like Amazon users (who I know are probably just the complainers),
seem to indicate problems with paper curl, and the toner cartridges
expiring after a few months, one even said they did without printing color
to it..

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org
> wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 13:14 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote:
> > Looking for a good multifunction printer.  I've had HP printers in the
> > past, and they have worked well, however, I have become irritated at
> > the toner/ink logic that makes me replace them with their expensive
> > ink/causes issues with drivers if you use reman carts, etc.  But I am
> > willing to consider that they may be the lesser of two evils.  I have
> > used Ricoh printers in the past and love them, although the toner
> > price is a bit high, it may be worth it.  I have also used Xerox
> > printers and have hated their interfaces and drivers.  Basically what
> > I'm looking for is:
>
> Brother MFC-9970CDW
>
> > 1. Color printing, with ink that does not smudge (I have heard that
> > some of the brother inkjet printers have special ink)
>
> Laser printer, so no smudging.  Good color consistency.
>
> > 2. Scanning to email that doesn't use an external service.  I want to
> > point it at my internal SMTP server.
>
> Yep, I do that.
>
> > 3. Color copying
>
> Yep.
>
> > 4. Network ready. Would prefer gigabit ethernet for fast transfer
> > speeds, but 100Mb is okay too. dont' care about wireless.
>
> Network ready, and support IPv6.
>
> > 5. Must support standard languages (PCL PS), that can be used with
> > generic drivers if I want to.
>
> Yep.
>
> > 6. Duplex option
>
> Yep.
>
> > 7. Good paper tray - must hold at least 150-200 sheets of paper.
>
> Not sure what the count is.
>
> > 8. Good output tray - must hold at least 20 sheets or so without
> > spilling them onto the floor.
>
> Absolutely, I print manuals.
>
>
> > 9. ADF - must be good and not jam.
>
> Yes, works great.
>
> > 10. Toner cost must be reasonable.  I don't want to spend $400 to
> > replace my 4 cartridges.
>
> Same prices as every other printer I've owned or own.
>
> > 11. Must be somewhere between $300 and $600.
>
>
> High end of that, but you get what you pay for in printer land.  And the
> touch-screen user interface is great.
>
>
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 17 15:35:43 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:35:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
> my son were older, we'd be there.
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> > Hey GRLUG,
> >
> > My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
> > 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
> >
> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
> >
> > How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
> > afternoon to build some rockets????
> >
> > I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
> > bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
> >
> > Casey DuBois
> > 616-808-6942
> > casey at grlug.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
> END OF LINE.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From brousch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 15:40:10 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:40:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Holy crap. What kind of rockets were you launching?! Mine looked like
http://www.amazon.com/Estes-302220-Electron-Launch-Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher...
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> > Hey GRLUG,
>> >
>> > My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>> > 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>> >
>> > http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>> >
>> > How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>> > afternoon to build some rockets????
>> >
>> > I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>> > bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>> >
>> > Casey DuBois
>> > 616-808-6942
>> > casey at grlug.org
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > grlug mailing list
>> > grlug at grlug.org
>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> END OF LINE.
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 15:41:52 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:41:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDA-JWUrocwEH88NrmDwi6AxM_ekk3p1jmhRBBM2BsNCA@mail.gmail.com>

And now, ladies and gentlemen, a lesson in how not to be seen...

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher...
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> > Hey GRLUG,
>> >
>> > My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>> > 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>> >
>> > http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>> >
>> > How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>> > afternoon to build some rockets????
>> >
>> > I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>> > bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>> >
>> > Casey DuBois
>> > 616-808-6942
>> > casey at grlug.org
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > grlug mailing list
>> > grlug at grlug.org
>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> END OF LINE.
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
:wq

From ptenhoopen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:10:02 2012
From: ptenhoopen at gmail.com (Patrick TenHoopen)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:10:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA4ca765HuYYerWyqcvoLGrF0iH3yt_iMyZEV5n0pYry7aHymA@mail.gmail.com>

Ya, mine are like Ben's.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> Holy crap. What kind of rockets were you launching?! Mine looked like
> http://www.amazon.com/Estes-302220-Electron-Launch-Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
>> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher...
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>> > Hey GRLUG,
>>> >
>>> > My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>>> > 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>>> >
>>> > How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>>> > afternoon to build some rockets????
>>> >
>>> > I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>>> > bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>> >
>>> > Casey DuBois
>>> > 616-808-6942
>>> > casey at grlug.org
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > grlug mailing list
>>> > grlug at grlug.org
>>> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> END OF LINE.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
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From knightperson at zuzax.com  Wed Oct 17 16:17:28 2012
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:17:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507F1258.2030606@zuzax.com>

And the one I remember using, longer ago than I care to admit, was at 
least as primitive as that. It was a plastic harness that clipped onto 
the top of a marine battery, with a cable-connected remote control the 
size of a small candy bar for launching from a safe distance. I can't 
even remember if there was anything besides the weight of the battery to 
keep the apparatus upright long enough to get the rocket into the air!

On 10/17/2012 03:40 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
> Holy crap. What kind of rockets were you launching?! Mine looked like
> http://www.amazon.com/Estes-302220-Electron-Launch-Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
>> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher..
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey GRLUG,
>>>>
>>>> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>>>> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/
>>>>
>>>> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or Sunday
>>>> afternoon to build some rockets????
>>>>
>>>> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and will
>>>> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>>>
>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> END OF LINE.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>


From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:19:10 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:19:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <507F1258.2030606@zuzax.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <507F1258.2030606@zuzax.com>
Message-ID: <507F12BE.9090705@gmail.com>

I'd be interested in seeing if my 11 year old brother would be 
interested - it'd have to be a saturday.  and i would make dad come 
along so i can have fun.

On 10/17/2012 04:17 PM, Mike Williams wrote:
> And the one I remember using, longer ago than I care to admit, was at 
> least as primitive as that. It was a plastic harness that clipped onto 
> the top of a marine battery, with a cable-connected remote control the 
> size of a small candy bar for launching from a safe distance. I can't 
> even remember if there was anything besides the weight of the battery 
> to keep the apparatus upright long enough to get the rocket into the air!
>
> On 10/17/2012 03:40 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>> Holy crap. What kind of rockets were you launching?! Mine looked like
>> http://www.amazon.com/Estes-302220-Electron-Launch-Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/
>>> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher..
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen 
>>> <ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>>>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey GRLUG,
>>>>>
>>>>> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of 
>>>>> ordering a
>>>>> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/ 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or 
>>>>> Sunday
>>>>> afternoon to build some rockets????
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work 
>>>>> and will
>>>>> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>>>>
>>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> END OF LINE.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Casey DuBois
>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From richardnienhuis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:31:32 2012
From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:31:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Rocket night
In-Reply-To: <507F12BE.9090705@gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZG25Y-S_b9h_+0q0ar1TxCbA70Sz4=qtmyvW=6Z0uw3dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4ca77HtAEsrwa77ZEYMuFheHeFiNCBzb7297f5F5338v22LQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZEozY2qyJA93Mna3pXYakfcZ=-fSSK+67BLm8PvnwOgTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1czO61QG-gyuO8t5QdQrMmb_HksXYsdAHYDfTO78Kv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <507F1258.2030606@zuzax.com> <507F12BE.9090705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJd2Bx-xAe3UPDTcOb=bp2RVDH72MO=n8OdqtzkCVN1KqYNA2A@mail.gmail.com>

You guys could do KNO3 and sugar rockets as well.  Fairly stable and cheap
to make.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Kelly Vanderwell <
kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested in seeing if my 11 year old brother would be interested
> - it'd have to be a saturday.  and i would make dad come along so i can
> have fun.
>
>
> On 10/17/2012 04:17 PM, Mike Williams wrote:
>
>> And the one I remember using, longer ago than I care to admit, was at
>> least as primitive as that. It was a plastic harness that clipped onto the
>> top of a marine battery, with a cable-connected remote control the size of
>> a small candy bar for launching from a safe distance. I can't even remember
>> if there was anything besides the weight of the battery to keep the
>> apparatus upright long enough to get the rocket into the air!
>>
>> On 10/17/2012 03:40 PM, Ben Rousch wrote:
>>
>>> Holy crap. What kind of rockets were you launching?! Mine looked like
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Estes-**302220-Electron-Launch-**
>>> Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50<http://www.amazon.com/Estes-302220-Electron-Launch-Controller/dp/B0006NAQ50>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's some pictures of my launcher that needs some help:
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**caseydubois/8097780700/in/**photostream<http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097780700/in/photostream>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**caseydubois/8097781800/in/**photostream/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097781800/in/photostream/>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**caseydubois/8097782782/in/**photostream/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097782782/in/photostream/>
>>>> Hope I can find the key to operate the launcher..
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**caseydubois/8097775399/in/**photostream/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8097775399/in/photostream/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Patrick TenHoopen <
>>>> ptenhoopen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rockets are cool!  I have a few that I haven't flown in a while.  If
>>>>> my son were older, we'd be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey GRLUG,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My son is 8 and interested in Rockets and I was thinking of ordering a
>>>>>> 12-pack of some skill level 1 rockets from:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.midwesttechnology.**com/categories/Technology-**
>>>>>> Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%**26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-**
>>>>>> Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-**Series/<http://www.midwesttechnology.com/categories/Technology-Products/Rocketry%2C-Flight-%26-Aerodynamics/Rockets/Skill-Level-1-Rockets-%252d-Beta-Series/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people would bring their kid/kids over on a Saturday or
>>>>>> Sunday
>>>>>> afternoon to build some rockets????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a launcher with copper contacts that should still work and
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> bring it out at tonight's GRLUG Social (will post pictures tomorrow)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug<http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> END OF LINE.
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug<http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Oct 18 09:24:26 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:24:26 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
In-Reply-To: <CAM2MJO2R8ygjwbK3NRLje6L-5wGaBJ=_LYdM6Wg7tWzDvs+yjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2MJO20wCdDwjTUG63y--cd05Kr6OWJk+c=yERHB=R=yMkebA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1350496997.5181.5.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAM2MJO2R8ygjwbK3NRLje6L-5wGaBJ=_LYdM6Wg7tWzDvs+yjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1350566666.5119.4.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 14:26 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote:
> Cool!  Do you know what the conditions are for replacing the toner
> cartridges?

We have numerous of these [MFC-9970CDW] in an office environment; we
have not experienced anything related to 'paper curl' or significant
toner issues [only if people buy discount non-OEM crap, but there is no
better way than that to destroy any printer].  Also don't try to print
on toilet paper.

I've been happy enough with these that I purchased one for myself.

We do see paper curl all the time for users who print on the same page
repeatedly - you have to buy more expensive paper for that to work -
regardless of the printer.  And they are always doing it because they
are the cheapskates who bought the cheapest paper in the first place and
are reprinting on the page to try to save money [let us not factor in
the time consumed in this effort].

> Looks like Amazon users (who I know are probably just the
> complainers), seem to indicate problems with paper curl, and the toner
> cartridges expiring after a few months, one even said they did without
> printing color to it..  




From casey at grlug.org  Thu Oct 18 10:13:48 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:13:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux for the next couple weeks
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZH2xwdVGbNaHg-UC6s3cmqr8KWuiue6ZkA7L74+3SmzZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

Another great time @ The GRLUG Social last night.

Thanks to Josh (Just Josh) we did this: Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi
into a laptop!
http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html

AND Josh (Oh My Josh) was able to get the CEC on the TV to control the
RaspberryPi with the TV's Remote!!!

*Next week there will NOT be a GRLUG Social because of the WMLUG (
www.wmlug.org) meeting on Thursday 10/25.*
*
*
*Also NO GRLUG Social on Halloween.*

See you back @ The Warehouse on November 7th.

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From mglaske at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 10:16:01 2012
From: mglaske at gmail.com (Michael Glaske)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:16:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Good multifunction printer...
In-Reply-To: <1350566666.5119.4.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <CAM2MJO20wCdDwjTUG63y--cd05Kr6OWJk+c=yERHB=R=yMkebA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1350496997.5181.5.camel@linux-nysu.site>
 <CAM2MJO2R8ygjwbK3NRLje6L-5wGaBJ=_LYdM6Wg7tWzDvs+yjg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1350566666.5119.4.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <CAM2MJO3a98jxLrYuh_m7n1PCMQt3-Of=mnunMKcx3U8EHbO13Q@mail.gmail.com>

Alright! Pretty sure I'll get one, thanks for the details. I was kinda
hoping to print on toilet paper though.. easy to recycle.. :)  Last
question, do you know if the cartridges expire after a time? (like for my
home usage, a set would probably last me all year).

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org
> wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 14:26 -0400, Michael Glaske wrote:
> > Cool!  Do you know what the conditions are for replacing the toner
> > cartridges?
>
> We have numerous of these [MFC-9970CDW] in an office environment; we
> have not experienced anything related to 'paper curl' or significant
> toner issues [only if people buy discount non-OEM crap, but there is no
> better way than that to destroy any printer].  Also don't try to print
> on toilet paper.
>
> I've been happy enough with these that I purchased one for myself.
>
> We do see paper curl all the time for users who print on the same page
> repeatedly - you have to buy more expensive paper for that to work -
> regardless of the printer.  And they are always doing it because they
> are the cheapskates who bought the cheapest paper in the first place and
> are reprinting on the page to try to save money [let us not factor in
> the time consumed in this effort].
>
> > Looks like Amazon users (who I know are probably just the
> > complainers), seem to indicate problems with paper curl, and the toner
> > cartridges expiring after a few months, one even said they did without
> > printing color to it..
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From brousch at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 11:15:41 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:15:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux for the next couple weeks
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZH2xwdVGbNaHg-UC6s3cmqr8KWuiue6ZkA7L74+3SmzZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZH2xwdVGbNaHg-UC6s3cmqr8KWuiue6ZkA7L74+3SmzZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB3dfJtBQ2cwf3KgEQpd8sQ3o7jqavqb=Q-B-fc4OxNKJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also, there will be an Ubuntu 12.10 release party at Schmohz Brewing
immediately after the WMLUG meeting. Stop by for drinks and such, but
please RSVP so I have some idea of how many people will be there.
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2051/detail/

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Another great time @ The GRLUG Social last night.
>
> Thanks to Josh (Just Josh) we did this: Now you can turn the Raspberry Pi
> into a laptop!
> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html
>
> AND Josh (Oh My Josh) was able to get the CEC on the TV to control the
> RaspberryPi with the TV's Remote!!!
>
> Next week there will NOT be a GRLUG Social because of the WMLUG
> (www.wmlug.org) meeting on Thursday 10/25.
>
> Also NO GRLUG Social on Halloween.
>
> See you back @ The Warehouse on November 7th.
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Oct 18 14:28:55 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:28:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] RO /boot?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181328360.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to update a system we built earlier this year, .. but the boot
partition is read only!

1) Tried unmounting & remounting
block device /dev/md126p1 is write-protected

2) Trying to fsck fails also:
You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root

I'm not sure why it was built as md - is this the problem?

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Oct 18 16:27:18 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:27:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Any Fedora chaps online?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181526090.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>

Can anyone give me a clue as to where kernel-devel installed the kernel
sources in Fedora 9? Trying to build a kernel module that thinks they are
in /usr/src/redhat, but nothing there.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From mrj at plorb.com  Fri Oct 19 02:05:30 2012
From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:05:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] RO /boot?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181328360.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181328360.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <20121019060530.GA5235@blorp.plorb.com>

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:28:55PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to update a system we built earlier this year, .. but the boot
> partition is read only!
> 
> 1) Tried unmounting & remounting
> block device /dev/md126p1 is write-protected
> 
> 2) Trying to fsck fails also:
> You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
> 
> I'm not sure why it was built as md - is this the problem?

md is software RAID.  An md device can be write-protected.  What does 
/proc/mdstat say?

Is this within the running system before the update, after partial 
updates, or in an update environment?  A change in the md software or 
configuration that doesn't match the original environment may have 
caused a problem detecting the complete array.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <mrj at plorb.com>

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Fri Oct 19 09:11:46 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:11:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Any Fedora chaps online?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181526090.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181526090.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <20121019091146.Horde._H4ZOZeICrNQgVGSMNZznVA@aleph.wmmi.net>

Quoting "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net>:
> Can anyone give me a clue as to where kernel-devel installed the kernel
> sources in Fedora 9? Trying to build a kernel module that thinks they are
> in /usr/src/redhat, but nothing there.

rpm -ql kernel-devel ?


From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Oct 19 12:32:33 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:32:33 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] RO /boot?
In-Reply-To: <20121019060530.GA5235@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210181328360.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <20121019060530.GA5235@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <201210191632.q9JGWlFt009846@Mail.omnitec.net>

At 01:05 AM 10/19/2012, Jeff DeFouw wrote:

>md is software RAID.  An md device can be write-protected.  What does
>/proc/mdstat say?

Did not check it before setting it rw, ..

>Is this within the running system before the update, after partial
>updates, or in an update environment?  A change in the md software or
>configuration that doesn't match the original environment may have
>caused a problem detecting the complete array.

That *could* have been part of the problem, as the ro status occurred 
during update (which was required to install the iSCSI client).

         TFTR!

         Lee 


From applyonline at dice.com  Sat Oct 20 07:15:06 2012
From: applyonline at dice.com (brousch@gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:15:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Check out this dice.com position: NK_80123
Message-ID: <566646819.37704.1350731706158.JavaMail.endeca@app2.prod.dice.com>

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From detrix42 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 19:31:58 2012
From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:31:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] to Casey's Minion
Message-ID: <CALeuQmeG0JPtNZeSnFf-EyzARZxLN4g+MSt_Dg4a4Nk1f698kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, Josh, I download the DVDfab decrypter, technically I think the whole
thing (trial period), though the decrypter is there and not a trial.  I see
no way to just use the decrypter.  What am I missing???

Jeret
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From detrix42 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 20:12:22 2012
From: detrix42 at gmail.com (detrix42 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:12:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday
Message-ID: <CALeuQmc3im5-CbSEQf3Rh3dOabDBsKLXDBzNF5Rt=rYvFyni0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I know there is no GRLUG this wednesday, but, Casey, would it be alright if
I stopped by wednesday?  I need to get my Avengers Blu-ray movie from Josh.

Jeret
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From grlugcasey at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 20:56:25 2012
From: grlugcasey at gmail.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:56:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday
In-Reply-To: <CALeuQmc3im5-CbSEQf3Rh3dOabDBsKLXDBzNF5Rt=rYvFyni0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALeuQmc3im5-CbSEQf3Rh3dOabDBsKLXDBzNF5Rt=rYvFyni0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26E3C8BB-2AB3-4111-AB3D-C2C606E4D2ED@gmail.com>

Yo Jeret,

I should be here.  

Regards,
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942

On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "detrix42 at gmail.com" <detrix42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know there is no GRLUG this wednesday, but, Casey, would it be alright if I stopped by wednesday?  I need to get my Avengers Blu-ray movie from Josh. 
> 
> Jeret
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From mikemol at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 21:43:30 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:43:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] [notlinux] moving day.
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCbspAvXZtNee-Bb=bAE2=ADmKoUtL5xVKstf9DhO-dBg@mail.gmail.com>

So, I'm moving next week Saturday. I've sent emails to a few of you,
but I know there were a few who were plausibly interested in helping
who I forgot. Pop me an email if you'd like me to forward the details.
I'm not sending the full details to the list. :)

-- 
:wq

From topher at codeventure.net  Sun Oct 21 11:39:40 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:39:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
Message-ID: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>

I have a win7 vm on my desktop.  I want to be able to ssh home, start it
up, and then VNC into it.  I've never messed with headless, is that what
I want?  I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that
xserver, and then vnc to it.

So, question one, is headless what I want?

Question too, if I need to ssh in and start it on that Xserver, how
would I tell it to use that Xserver?

Topher

From leapole at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 11:44:11 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:44:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
In-Reply-To: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
References: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <CADi8XRvUE6iTK5sU49g4Awm82_kRjrO-+BoC0xxpYqZRhYVTng@mail.gmail.com>

you can ssh in and start is with a command something like

virtualbox --start $NAME --headless

I believe there is an option for starting fullscreen or not, pretty sure
you need to have X already running and it will start there.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> I have a win7 vm on my desktop.  I want to be able to ssh home, start it
> up, and then VNC into it.  I've never messed with headless, is that what
> I want?  I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that
> xserver, and then vnc to it.
>
> So, question one, is headless what I want?
>
> Question too, if I need to ssh in and start it on that Xserver, how
> would I tell it to use that Xserver?
>
> Topher
> _______________________________________________
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Oct 21 11:48:35 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:48:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
In-Reply-To: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
References: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210211045040.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Topher wrote:

> I have a win7 vm on my desktop.  I want to be able to ssh home, start it
> up, and then VNC into it.  I've never messed with headless, is that what
> I want?  I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that
> xserver, and then vnc to it.
>
> So, question one, is headless what I want?
>
Technically, VBox is *only* headless - you have no connection to the VM
desktop until you launch one via RDP (preferred), VNC, or one of the
admin tools..

What you want is either vboxtool (shell script), or phpVirtualBox (a web
GUI for VB). First requirement - create a separate vbox user that will
"own" the VMs, as VB hides it's config under the user directory no matter
where you store the physical machine diks.

We have migrated to a simpler approach with SuSE/Xen - it is integrated at
the system level and comes built-in shell management, no need to fuss with
userspace. It also provides an OpenStack migration path.

	Lee

From brousch at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 14:11:13 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:11:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210211045040.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210211045040.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB2vX8q84i821594f=CpvGPCqxkNG9NudFjBgfbj8zFdZA@mail.gmail.com>

You can do it by sshing to the user that owns the virtual machines and then:
$ vboxmanage startvm mywinxpvm --type headless

Then, assuming you already have a VNC server running on Windows in the
virtual machine, you forward port 5900 from that VM through your
firewall and connect remotely to it via VNC. Keep in mind that is an
unecrypted VNC connection, so it's not ideal. To encrypt it, you
connect port 5900 on the VM to a port on your Linux desktop, then ssh
tunnel that to your remote computer.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Topher wrote:
>
>> I have a win7 vm on my desktop.  I want to be able to ssh home, start it
>> up, and then VNC into it.  I've never messed with headless, is that what
>> I want?  I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that
>> xserver, and then vnc to it.
>>
>> So, question one, is headless what I want?
>>
> Technically, VBox is *only* headless - you have no connection to the VM
> desktop until you launch one via RDP (preferred), VNC, or one of the
> admin tools..
>
> What you want is either vboxtool (shell script), or phpVirtualBox (a web
> GUI for VB). First requirement - create a separate vbox user that will
> "own" the VMs, as VB hides it's config under the user directory no matter
> where you store the physical machine diks.
>
> We have migrated to a simpler approach with SuSE/Xen - it is integrated at
> the system level and comes built-in shell management, no need to fuss with
> userspace. It also provides an OpenStack migration path.
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From don.ellis at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 16:05:05 2012
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:05:05 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB2vX8q84i821594f=CpvGPCqxkNG9NudFjBgfbj8zFdZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5084173C.70505@codeventure.net>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210211045040.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAOPHfB2vX8q84i821594f=CpvGPCqxkNG9NudFjBgfbj8zFdZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALKyAeu+diFhKhdp=nzfxbBcsD-pKvtY5ABk1DcgzHfAx+0ecA@mail.gmail.com>

One thing not mentioned is using the -X switch when connecting ssh (X has
to be available on the remote machine). Would this be sufficient for the
VNC session to be encrypted (as Ben describes)?

Lee, check on the Xen server -- last time I looked, I got the impression
that Windows was not supported as a guest. Maybe I need to check later
documentation...

In VBox, port 3390 is the default for RDP; you can set a different port in
the GUI or command line, but you have to turn on the RDP server for any VM
you want to use (default is off). Later versions show setting a range of
ports, and an unused one is assigned by VBox.

Also, I would use vboxtool AND phpVirtualBox -- vboxtool starts VMs
headless without user intervention and phpVB makes the RDP connections
easily available (and gives GUI management for all VB settings). If you
just need to connect without VNC or RDP (or are ok with manual/direct RDP
 connections), you can ssh directly to the VM once it's started. phpVB is
where I saw a range of RDP ports being assigned. Of course, you need to be
able to discover the IP address of the VM to ssh into it, and I haven't
found an easy way to do that other than to assign something manually,
either with DHCP/DNS or just RDPing into the VM and asking what the IP is.

At any rate, using the VBox GUI is pretty much required to set up initial
settings and [for example] upgrade the VBox version, although you can do
that remotely by starting VBox in an X session (ssh -X into the remote box,
then say 'virtualbox' on the command line). However, I have found times
that trying to do VBox GUI upgrades remotely can lead to some problems, and
it seems easier/more reliable to do it on a physical console on the VBox
host.

Any clarification on VBox, I have a lot of answers (too many?).

Bottom line is, VBox has been running pretty well for a simple setup, with
just a few kinks that may be easy to fix once the answers are known (I may
have some of them down). I still need more practice with Xen.

--Don Ellis


On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can do it by sshing to the user that owns the virtual machines and
> then:
> $ vboxmanage startvm mywinxpvm --type headless
>
> Then, assuming you already have a VNC server running on Windows in the
> virtual machine, you forward port 5900 from that VM through your
> firewall and connect remotely to it via VNC. Keep in mind that is an
> unecrypted VNC connection, so it's not ideal. To encrypt it, you
> connect port 5900 on the VM to a port on your Linux desktop, then ssh
> tunnel that to your remote computer.
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Topher wrote:
> >
> >> I have a win7 vm on my desktop.  I want to be able to ssh home, start it
> >> up, and then VNC into it.  I've never messed with headless, is that what
> >> I want?  I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that
> >> xserver, and then vnc to it.
> >>
> >> So, question one, is headless what I want?
> >>
> > Technically, VBox is *only* headless - you have no connection to the VM
> > desktop until you launch one via RDP (preferred), VNC, or one of the
> > admin tools..
> >
> > What you want is either vboxtool (shell script), or phpVirtualBox (a web
> > GUI for VB). First requirement - create a separate vbox user that will
> > "own" the VMs, as VB hides it's config under the user directory no matter
> > where you store the physical machine diks.
> >
> > We have migrated to a simpler approach with SuSE/Xen - it is integrated
> at
> > the system level and comes built-in shell management, no need to fuss
> with
> > userspace. It also provides an OpenStack migration path.
>
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From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Sun Oct 21 22:24:27 2012
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:24:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely
In-Reply-To: <CALKyAeu+diFhKhdp=nzfxbBcsD-pKvtY5ABk1DcgzHfAx+0ecA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134060799.532540.1350872667237.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

We've been running Windows 2003 Server guests on Xen for at least 4 years now., no problems. 


Regards, 
Scott 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Ellis" <don.ellis at gmail.com> 
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:05:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Starting virtualbox remotely 

One thing not mentioned is using the -X switch when connecting ssh (X has to be available on the remote machine). Would this be sufficient for the VNC session to be encrypted (as Ben describes)? 


Lee, check on the Xen server -- last time I looked, I got the impression that Windows was not supported as a guest. Maybe I need to check later documentation... 



In VBox, port 3390 is the default for RDP; you can set a different port in the GUI or command line, but you have to turn on the RDP server for any VM you want to use (default is off). Later versions show setting a range of ports, and an unused one is assigned by VBox. 

Also, I would use vboxtool AND phpVirtualBox -- vboxtool starts VMs headless without user intervention and phpVB makes the RDP connections easily available (and gives GUI management for all VB settings). If you just need to connect without VNC or RDP (or are ok with manual/direct RDP connections), you can ssh directly to the VM once it's started. phpVB is where I saw a range of RDP ports being assigned. Of course, you need to be able to discover the IP address of the VM to ssh into it, and I haven't found an easy way to do that other than to assign something manually, either with DHCP/DNS or just RDPing into the VM and asking what the IP is. 


At any rate, using the VBox GUI is pretty much required to set up initial settings and [for example] upgrade the VBox version, although you can do that remotely by starting VBox in an X session (ssh -X into the remote box, then say 'virtualbox' on the command line). However, I have found times that trying to do VBox GUI upgrades remotely can lead to some problems, and it seems easier/more reliable to do it on a physical console on the VBox host. 


Any clarification on VBox, I have a lot of answers (too many?). 


Bottom line is, VBox has been running pretty well for a simple setup, with just a few kinks that may be easy to fix once the answers are known (I may have some of them down). I still need more practice with Xen. 


--Don Ellis 




On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ben Rousch < brousch at gmail.com > wrote: 


You can do it by sshing to the user that owns the virtual machines and then: 
$ vboxmanage startvm mywinxpvm --type headless 

Then, assuming you already have a VNC server running on Windows in the 
virtual machine, you forward port 5900 from that VM through your 
firewall and connect remotely to it via VNC. Keep in mind that is an 
unecrypted VNC connection, so it's not ideal. To encrypt it, you 
connect port 5900 on the VM to a port on your Linux desktop, then ssh 
tunnel that to your remote computer. 



On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, L. V. Lammert < lvl at omnitec.net > wrote: 
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Topher wrote: 
> 
>> I have a win7 vm on my desktop. I want to be able to ssh home, start it 
>> up, and then VNC into it. I've never messed with headless, is that what 
>> I want? I was thinking that I would need to start it normally on that 
>> xserver, and then vnc to it. 
>> 
>> So, question one, is headless what I want? 
>> 
> Technically, VBox is *only* headless - you have no connection to the VM 
> desktop until you launch one via RDP (preferred), VNC, or one of the 
> admin tools.. 
> 
> What you want is either vboxtool (shell script), or phpVirtualBox (a web 
> GUI for VB). First requirement - create a separate vbox user that will 
> "own" the VMs, as VB hides it's config under the user directory no matter 
> where you store the physical machine diks. 
> 
> We have migrated to a simpler approach with SuSE/Xen - it is integrated at 
> the system level and comes built-in shell management, no need to fuss with 
> userspace. It also provides an OpenStack migration path. 



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From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Oct 22 22:29:24 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:29:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] LVM/ext3 problem
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210222123120.22821@Mail.omnitec.net>

Have a serious problem with a LVM, .. we tried to extend the LVM onto a
PV, but the resize2fs failed for some reason.

Managed to rconfigure the VG without that physical volume, however as the
resize2fs was in progress, the original file system shows a size much
greater than it is physically.

Tried resize2fs with the old size, but it fails ("Can't read an block
bitmap while trying to resize"); e2fsck also chokes as it complains
about the invalid size in the superblock.

Is anyone aware of a way TO set the proper filesystem size?

	Thanks!

	Lee

From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 24 11:30:19 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:30:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] NO GRLUG tonight but mark your calendars for tomorrows
	WMLUG Meeting
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEr9eqyAtjsKJm=BAWrOZZL4_K7edsYyH+GNRva6+yeMA@mail.gmail.com>

NO GRLUG Meeting tonight but everyone is invited to TOMORROW's WMLUG
meeting (details below).


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <president at wmlug.org>
Date: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Subject: October WMLUG Meeting
To: president at wmlug.org


Hey everyone,

Next week Thursday, 10/25, is the next WMLUG meeting.

Ben Rousch has been continuing his exploration of Python and Android and is
back for an update.  He'll show you how to create an Android app with
Python embedded right inside the APK and also how to make a full screen GUI
for your app.

As usual, we will be meeting at New Horizons in room 1 at 6 pm.  The
address is 630 Kenmoor Ave SE, Suite 201, Grand Rapids MI 49546.  Snacks
and pop will be provided.  Please let us know if you plan on attending.
Note:  If you get there after 6:30 and the doors are locked, please call my
cell at 616-295-5168 so we can let you in.

Then...

Join the Ubuntu Michigan LoCo at Schmohz Brewing after the meeting to
celebrate the release of Ubuntu 12.10, the Quantal Quetzal.  Please
register at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2051/detail/ if
you plan on hanging out.

Thanks,

Pat

Patrick TenHoopen
President - West Michigan Linux Users Group
http://www.wmlug.org
president at wmlug.org
ptenhoopen at gmail.com
+ptenhoopen on Google+
ptenhoopen on Twitter
616-295-5168



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616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 24 11:32:12 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:32:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Name Tags for GR GiveCamp
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZF0Aqi0GS1Vg=vEE4pB5KJC3oA+U6buD0MGZAnO+15xwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey GRLUG,

NO GRLUG meeting tonight however some of us will be @ The Warehouse after
8PM to make name tags for GR GiveCamp.

Anyone that wants to help is welcome to come by after 8.


Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 11:33:41 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:33:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Name Tags for GR GiveCamp
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZF0Aqi0GS1Vg=vEE4pB5KJC3oA+U6buD0MGZAnO+15xwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZF0Aqi0GS1Vg=vEE4pB5KJC3oA+U6buD0MGZAnO+15xwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50880A55.701@gmail.com>

where/when/what exactly is givecamp?  i heard about it but idk if i know 
anything to participate with.....

On 10/24/2012 11:32 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
> Hey GRLUG,
>
> NO GRLUG meeting tonight however some of us will be @ The Warehouse 
> after 8PM to make name tags for GR GiveCamp.
>
> Anyone that wants to help is welcome to come by after 8.
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942 <tel:616-808-6942>
> casey at grlug.org <mailto:casey at grlug.org>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 24 11:36:48 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Name Tags for GR GiveCamp
In-Reply-To: <50880A55.701@gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZF0Aqi0GS1Vg=vEE4pB5KJC3oA+U6buD0MGZAnO+15xwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <50880A55.701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZG=KXKih99Wh1UTM6XNoDH_BD164gj52ho6DQ9EtU+nEA@mail.gmail.com>

GrGiveCamp is this weekend @ The Factory.
Here is their site: http://grgivecamp.org/

Technical and non Technical volunteers are welcome and as always I've got
some great food lined up for the weekend.

Regards,
Casey

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kelly Vanderwell <
kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:

>  where/when/what exactly is givecamp?  i heard about it but idk if i know
> anything to participate with.....
>
>
> On 10/24/2012 11:32 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>
> Hey GRLUG,
>
>  NO GRLUG meeting tonight however some of us will be @ The Warehouse
> after 8PM to make name tags for GR GiveCamp.
>
>  Anyone that wants to help is welcome to come by after 8.
>
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing listgrlug at grlug.orghttp://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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616-808-6942
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From casey at grlug.org  Wed Oct 24 13:32:30 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:32:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Just Josh is FAMOUS!!
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZGV=SUfi_rUEd36gYqbhMggsp7T+Nr+WVCw7G+Z7F+c0g@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the GrrCON article from CIO magazine.

Our very own Just Josh is getting his 15 minutes of fame.

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:57:15 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:57:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Name Tags for GR GiveCamp
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZG=KXKih99Wh1UTM6XNoDH_BD164gj52ho6DQ9EtU+nEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZF0Aqi0GS1Vg=vEE4pB5KJC3oA+U6buD0MGZAnO+15xwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <50880A55.701@gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZG=KXKih99Wh1UTM6XNoDH_BD164gj52ho6DQ9EtU+nEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50882BFB.8090606@gmail.com>

I'll probably see you tonight - I signed up to volunteer in the evenings....

On 10/24/2012 11:36 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
> GrGiveCamp is this weekend @ The Factory.
> Here is their site: http://grgivecamp.org/
>
> Technical and non Technical volunteers are welcome and as always I've 
> got some great food lined up for the weekend.
>
> Regards,
> Casey
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kelly Vanderwell 
> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com <mailto:kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     where/when/what exactly is givecamp?  i heard about it but idk if
>     i know anything to participate with.....
>
>
>     On 10/24/2012 11:32 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>>     Hey GRLUG,
>>
>>     NO GRLUG meeting tonight however some of us will be @ The
>>     Warehouse after 8PM to make name tags for GR GiveCamp.
>>
>>     Anyone that wants to help is welcome to come by after 8.
>>
>>     Casey DuBois
>>     616-808-6942 <tel:616-808-6942>
>>     casey at grlug.org <mailto:casey at grlug.org>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     grlug mailing list
>>     grlug at grlug.org  <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     grlug mailing list
>     grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
>     http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org <mailto:casey at grlug.org>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 12:14:54 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:14:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
Message-ID: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.

But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.

It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
old used monitors, which have only VGA.

Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
been around long enough to be cheap yet.

From johnwesorick at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 12:20:10 2012
From: johnwesorick at gmail.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:20:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>

DVI and HDMI are the same spec, if I remember correctly. You just need a $2
adapter to go between the two. That should open up your options.
On Oct 27, 2012 12:15 PM, "megadave" <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>
> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>
> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>
> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> _______________________________________________
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From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 12:29:22 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:29:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7keu0bDOBAwqAoGrh7Rx16Vh2uPmAADWe-Nes3H_GicQspA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I've tried that.. I know it is *supposed* to work, but it didn't.

I had just such an adapter, and got nothing. I took it back to Best
Buy, tested it with a brand new monitor that had a DVI input.

Nothing.  Yes, the monitor was DVI-D.

They let me return the adapter for a replacement. Opened it, tried it,
still nothing.

They could offer no explanation for why it shouldn't work.



On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM, John Wesorick <johnwesorick at gmail.com> wrote:
> DVI and HDMI are the same spec, if I remember correctly. You just need a $2
> adapter to go between the two. That should open up your options.
>
> On Oct 27, 2012 12:15 PM, "megadave" <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
>> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>>
>> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>>
>> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
>> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>>
>> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
>> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
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From nic at nicj.net  Sat Oct 27 12:37:01 2012
From: nic at nicj.net (Nic Jansma)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:37:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <508C0DAD.6080504@nicj.net>

I've had good luck with CompRenew.  Recently bought a 15" LCD from them 
for $40.  You could probably get one with DVI input and use a HDMI->DVI 
converter.
http://comprenew.org/

- Nic
http://nicj.net/
@NicJ

On 10/27/2012 12:14 PM, megadave wrote:
> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>
> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>
> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>
> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> _______________________________________________
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From nic at nicj.net  Sat Oct 27 12:37:01 2012
From: nic at nicj.net (Nic Jansma)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:37:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508C0DAD.6080504@nicj.net>

I've had good luck with CompRenew.  Recently bought a 15" LCD from them 
for $40.  You could probably get one with DVI input and use a HDMI->DVI 
converter.
http://comprenew.org/

- Nic
http://nicj.net/
@NicJ

On 10/27/2012 12:14 PM, megadave wrote:
> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>
> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>
> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>
> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

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From jwm8351 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 12:51:40 2012
From: jwm8351 at yahoo.com (Joseph McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1351356700.74588.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

how cheap?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+19%22+Class+-+LCD+-+720p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/1457277.p?id=1218429316492&skuId=1457277


?I got something at best buy on sale - (probably?not this one) and my Pi works & I get tv & I get vga - bring pi & hdmi cable to best buy & head to the tv dept!


There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!


________________________________
 From: megadave <megadave at gmail.com>
To: Grand Rapids Linux User Group - Mailing List <grlug at grandrapids-lug.org> 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:14 PM
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
 
Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.

But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.

It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
old used monitors, which have only VGA.

Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
been around long enough to be cheap yet.
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From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 13:18:27 2012
From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:18:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <1351356700.74588.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1351356700.74588.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <508C1763.3050209@gmail.com>

I think I read somewhere that the RPi doesn't implement the whole hdmi 
standard.  Which is probably one reason not everything works.

On 10/27/12 12:51 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
> how cheap?
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+19%22+Class+-+LCD+-+720p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/1457277.p?id=1218429316492&skuId=1457277
>  I got something at best buy on sale - (probably not this one) and my 
> Pi works & I get tv & I get vga - bring pi & hdmi cable to best buy & 
> head to the tv dept!
>
>
> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* megadave <megadave at gmail.com>
> *To:* Grand Rapids Linux User Group - Mailing List 
> <grlug at grandrapids-lug.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:14 PM
> *Subject:* [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
>
> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>
> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>
> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>
> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org <mailto:grlug at grlug.org>
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
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From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 14:07:00 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:07:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <508C1763.3050209@gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1351356700.74588.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <508C1763.3050209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7kevjQZLapTGK7dNR0_TBzSaJTWQLZ=2OSu1Q0YY48tBUMg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Steven Scherbinski
<steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I read somewhere that the RPi doesn't implement the whole hdmi
> standard.  Which is probably one reason not everything works.

Ok.. That certainly could be part of the issue (I note that I was also
trying to test the HDMI -> DVI-D adapter with a tablet I have that has
an HDMI output port, also without any success)

I suppose I will have to see if I can find any info on what parts of
the standard or does or does not support, and how that affects its
compatibility with DVI-D

>
>
> On 10/27/12 12:51 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
>
> how cheap?
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+19%22+Class+-+LCD+-+720p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/1457277.p?id=1218429316492&skuId=1457277
>  I got something at best buy on sale - (probably not this one) and my Pi
> works & I get tv & I get vga - bring pi & hdmi cable to best buy & head to
> the tv dept!
>
>
> There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
> ________________________________
> From: megadave <megadave at gmail.com>
> To: Grand Rapids Linux User Group - Mailing List <grlug at grandrapids-lug.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:14 PM
> Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
>
> Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
>
> But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
>
> It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> old used monitors, which have only VGA.
>
> Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
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From leapole at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 14:37:10 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:37:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kevjQZLapTGK7dNR0_TBzSaJTWQLZ=2OSu1Q0YY48tBUMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1351356700.74588.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <508C1763.3050209@gmail.com>
 <CAFP7kevjQZLapTGK7dNR0_TBzSaJTWQLZ=2OSu1Q0YY48tBUMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADi8XRuda0c9ePZ0rxegs2ZH3fP75Z+yVPGhbUH3uVKCB663jQ@mail.gmail.com>

You might need to set the hdmi drive level in your config options to 2 so
there enought power coming out of the r-pi to start the display

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 2:07 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Steven Scherbinski
> <steve.scherbinski at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think I read somewhere that the RPi doesn't implement the whole hdmi
> > standard.  Which is probably one reason not everything works.
>
> Ok.. That certainly could be part of the issue (I note that I was also
> trying to test the HDMI -> DVI-D adapter with a tablet I have that has
> an HDMI output port, also without any success)
>
> I suppose I will have to see if I can find any info on what parts of
> the standard or does or does not support, and how that affects its
> compatibility with DVI-D
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/27/12 12:51 PM, Joseph McLaughlin wrote:
> >
> > how cheap?
> >
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Coby+-+19%22+Class+-+LCD+-+720p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/1457277.p?id=1218429316492&skuId=1457277
> >  I got something at best buy on sale - (probably not this one) and my Pi
> > works & I get tv & I get vga - bring pi & hdmi cable to best buy & head
> to
> > the tv dept!
> >
> >
> > There is still a bug in the program must use RAID!
> > ________________________________
> > From: megadave <megadave at gmail.com>
> > To: Grand Rapids Linux User Group - Mailing List <
> grlug at grandrapids-lug.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
> >
> > Does anyone know of somewhere local one can pick up an inexpensive TV
> > or Monitor? It doesn't have to be very big, 15" would be plenty.
> >
> > But it absolutely has to have an HDMI input.
> >
> > It seems sad to me that a cheap computer (r-Pi) cannot be used with
> > old used monitors, which have only VGA.
> >
> > Composite is so old its almost impossible to find, and HDMI hasn't
> > been around long enough to be cheap yet.
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
> >
> >
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From philip.robar at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 14:57:51 2012
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Robar Philip)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:57:51 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7keu0bDOBAwqAoGrh7Rx16Vh2uPmAADWe-Nes3H_GicQspA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7keu0bDOBAwqAoGrh7Rx16Vh2uPmAADWe-Nes3H_GicQspA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <920D831C-45AE-424D-B422-A2D1B72326C6@gmail.com>


On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I've tried that.. I know it is *supposed* to work, but it didn't.
> 
> I had just such an adapter, and got nothing. I took it back to Best
> Buy, tested it with a brand new monitor that had a DVI input.
> 
> Nothing.  Yes, the monitor was DVI-D.

I did a search on ?raspberry pi hdmi not working? and found lots of useful discussions. One problem in particular has to do with inexpensive HDMI cables that don?t have proper ground wires. They work with most computers, TVs and monitors, but not the RPi. Several people reported success with HDMI to DVI cables.

Goodwill sells 15-17? LCD monitors for $15. Most are VGA only, but I?ve purchased a couple that had DVI. I don?t know about the Grand Rapids area, but I?ve had the most success finding them in the better off neighborhoods of the Chicago suburbs. Unfortunately most computer stores that sell used/refurbished monitors want $40 to $90, but that probably gets you some type of guarantee beyond returning it if it?s DOA. Other than that Craig?s List is an obvious place to look.

HDMI to VGA convertors start at around $30.


Phil


From danwiddisii at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 00:15:07 2012
From: danwiddisii at gmail.com (Dan Widdis)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:15:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <920D831C-45AE-424D-B422-A2D1B72326C6@gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7keu0bDOBAwqAoGrh7Rx16Vh2uPmAADWe-Nes3H_GicQspA@mail.gmail.com>
 <920D831C-45AE-424D-B422-A2D1B72326C6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqqkEH6LMYxM+Oyw3QKL3MRVnFOqv09bv7GWEYYh4KC93PXFA@mail.gmail.com>

Comp Renew sells LCD's for around $30-50ea. I have picked up a couple with
hdmi or DVI and they work great with r-pi.
On Oct 27, 2012 2:58 PM, "Robar Philip" <philip.robar at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I've tried that.. I know it is *supposed* to work, but it didn't.
> >
> > I had just such an adapter, and got nothing. I took it back to Best
> > Buy, tested it with a brand new monitor that had a DVI input.
> >
> > Nothing.  Yes, the monitor was DVI-D.
>
> I did a search on ?raspberry pi hdmi not working? and found lots of useful
> discussions. One problem in particular has to do with inexpensive HDMI
> cables that don?t have proper ground wires. They work with most computers,
> TVs and monitors, but not the RPi. Several people reported success with
> HDMI to DVI cables.
>
> Goodwill sells 15-17? LCD monitors for $15. Most are VGA only, but I?ve
> purchased a couple that had DVI. I don?t know about the Grand Rapids area,
> but I?ve had the most success finding them in the better off neighborhoods
> of the Chicago suburbs. Unfortunately most computer stores that sell
> used/refurbished monitors want $40 to $90, but that probably gets you some
> type of guarantee beyond returning it if it?s DOA. Other than that Craig?s
> List is an obvious place to look.
>
> HDMI to VGA convertors start at around $30.
>
>
> Phil
>
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From anabob at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 01:52:19 2012
From: anabob at gmail.com (Ana Bohrer)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 01:52:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Used/Cheap monitor with HDMI?
In-Reply-To: <CAMqqkEH6LMYxM+Oyw3QKL3MRVnFOqv09bv7GWEYYh4KC93PXFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP7ketOBcHX9wHKq91H1j9m-s0BO=poQuuAOdczPsiVQhC+mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+G4ko68NoLbh+YCU_XqeQuu3-Q4KiPiATOdzPpoAKFauA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7keu0bDOBAwqAoGrh7Rx16Vh2uPmAADWe-Nes3H_GicQspA@mail.gmail.com>
 <920D831C-45AE-424D-B422-A2D1B72326C6@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C12AEC08-FBB2-455D-B6A1-88A290E4CDC4@gmail.com>

I have a 15" dell LCD I could part with that has a dvi input. 

I just got a pretty cheap 22" with dvi/VGA combo on Craigslist, so that is worth a shot. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Dan Widdis <danwiddisii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Comp Renew sells LCD's for around $30-50ea. I have picked up a couple with hdmi or DVI and they work great with r-pi.
> 
> On Oct 27, 2012 2:58 PM, "Robar Philip" <philip.robar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, megadave <megadave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Yeah, I've tried that.. I know it is *supposed* to work, but it didn't.
>> >
>> > I had just such an adapter, and got nothing. I took it back to Best
>> > Buy, tested it with a brand new monitor that had a DVI input.
>> >
>> > Nothing.  Yes, the monitor was DVI-D.
>> 
>> I did a search on ?raspberry pi hdmi not working? and found lots of useful discussions. One problem in particular has to do with inexpensive HDMI cables that don?t have proper ground wires. They work with most computers, TVs and monitors, but not the RPi. Several people reported success with HDMI to DVI cables.
>> 
>> Goodwill sells 15-17? LCD monitors for $15. Most are VGA only, but I?ve purchased a couple that had DVI. I don?t know about the Grand Rapids area, but I?ve had the most success finding them in the better off neighborhoods of the Chicago suburbs. Unfortunately most computer stores that sell used/refurbished monitors want $40 to $90, but that probably gets you some type of guarantee beyond returning it if it?s DOA. Other than that Craig?s List is an obvious place to look.
>> 
>> HDMI to VGA convertors start at around $30.
>> 
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:00:54 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>

For Nexus 7 owners:

*  What do you use to clean the screen
   after it gets all gooped up and slimy?

*  Flashplayer is not supported on the
   version of Android I have, and apparently
   there is no intention of supporting it in the
   future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
   at the moment I can't play movies or music.

I gather people have attempted to use a
previous version of flashplayer, but with
various levels of success.

   -- Bob
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:03:02 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:03:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGE+j66bmY3fpqyhr1uPUXMkAu_J88sPwnT+64jQdmuNuw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bottle of photography lens cleaner i use on my electronics.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> For Nexus 7 owners:
>
> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>
> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>
> I gather people have attempted to use a
> previous version of flashplayer, but with
> various levels of success.
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:05:01 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:05:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGE+j66bmY3fpqyhr1uPUXMkAu_J88sPwnT+64jQdmuNuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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It is X-Clean, available online at www.millrivercompany.com

I am about out.  Anyone interested in splitting a case?

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have a bottle of photography lens cleaner i use on my electronics.
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>
>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>
>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>
>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>> various levels of success.
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Mon Oct 29 11:08:56 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:08:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121029150856.GA8455@mint>

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00:54AM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> For Nexus 7 owners:
> 
> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?

Er...what causes the screen to get gooped up and slimy?  I'm not a Nexus
7 owner but I find a simple microfiber cleaning cloth to be extremely
effective in cleaning fingerprints and such off electronics.  I've never
dealt with goop and slime, however.

> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
> 
> I gather people have attempted to use a
> previous version of flashplayer, but with
> various levels of success.

Can't help you there.
-- 
john-thomas
------
If the world ever advances beyond what it is today, it must be led by men
who express their real opinions.
Robert G. Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899)

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:27:01 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:27:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <20121029150856.GA8455@mint>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121029150856.GA8455@mint>
Message-ID: <CAFOq4ELeAyNPDNdKsu=h+ZX+G_xBWX3O5PMZraGb+tHZs7sGuA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:08 AM, John-Thomas Richards <jtr at jrichards.org>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00:54AM -0400, Bob Kline wrote:
> > For Nexus 7 owners:
> >
> > *  What do you use to clean the screen
> >    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>
> Er...what causes the screen to get gooped up and slimy?  I'm not a Nexus
> 7 owner but I find a simple microfiber cleaning cloth to be extremely
> effective in cleaning fingerprints and such off electronics.  I've never
> dealt with goop and slime, however.
>

Goop & slime is more or less what
people were eating when they used
the unit.

Look at people's keyboards where you
work and you'll see a spectrum of
grunginess. Some people's are always
clean, others have entire meals on them,
spilled drinks, etc.



>
> > *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
> >    version of Android I have, and apparently
> >    there is no intention of supporting it in the
> >    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
> >    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
> >
> > I gather people have attempted to use a
> > previous version of flashplayer, but with
> > various levels of success.
>
> Can't help you there.
> --
> john-thomas
> ------
> If the world ever advances beyond what it is today, it must be led by men
> who express their real opinions.
> Robert G. Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899)
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From don.ellis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:28:49 2012
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:28:49 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALKyAeu8BENuhSL5J7m6wgVOVCvXwUZ3bNVs537SBdTycBAvDA@mail.gmail.com>

I use OmniCleanz, from a local St Louis (MO) company RadTech (
http://www.radtech.us). Before the president gave a presentation at GAMUG,
I used iKlear from Meridrew Enterprises (https://www.klearscreen.com); John
at RadTech knows about it and says his product is better. After using
iKlear, I had to breath on the screen and polish it. Don't have to do that
after using OminCleanz.

--Don Ellis


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> For Nexus 7 owners:
>
> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>
> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>
> I gather people have attempted to use a
> previous version of flashplayer, but with
> various levels of success.
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
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From rlauzon at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:38:05 2012
From: rlauzon at gmail.com (Ron Lauzon)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:38:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>

I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
 On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> For Nexus 7 owners:
>
> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>
> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>
> I gather people have attempted to use a
> previous version of flashplayer, but with
> various levels of success.
>
>    -- Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From kingpoiuy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 11:39:58 2012
From: kingpoiuy at gmail.com (Clay Ashby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:39:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>

My sleeve...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>
>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>
>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>
>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>> various levels of success.
>>
>>    -- Bob
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
-Clay
"technologically promiscuous"
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From guyotll at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 12:49:49 2012
From: guyotll at gmail.com (Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:49:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>

"soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
infection control!
On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:

> My sleeve...
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>
>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>
>>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>>
>>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>>> various levels of success.
>>>
>>>    -- Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Clay
> "technologically promiscuous"
>
>
>
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 12:53:56 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:53:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:

> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
> infection control!
> On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My sleeve...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>
>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>
>>>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>>>
>>>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>>>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>>>> various levels of success.
>>>>
>>>>    -- Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Clay
>> "technologically promiscuous"
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
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From leapole at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 12:57:20 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:57:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGG0=t4qYe21rcCF6kG-1RT4G0H3VQqOfPJaoaroeRZotw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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lick screen, wipe with t-shirt

mmmm tasty, but it works

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
>> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
>> infection control!
>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My sleeve...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>>
>>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>>
>>>>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>>>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>>>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>>>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>>>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>>>>
>>>>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>>>>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>>>>> various levels of success.
>>>>>
>>>>>    -- Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Clay
>>> "technologically promiscuous"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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>
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 12:59:13 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:59:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRsjAmOpYvuK+WcUb8871XznraVytLL7nb-wrZcQxXrYhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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yuck

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> lick screen, wipe with t-shirt
>
> mmmm tasty, but it works
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
>>> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
>>> infection control!
>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My sleeve...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the
>>>>>>    version of Android I have, and apparently
>>>>>>    there is no intention of supporting it in the
>>>>>>    future.  What are you using instead?  i.e.,
>>>>>>    at the moment I can't play movies or music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gather people have attempted to use a
>>>>>> previous version of flashplayer, but with
>>>>>> various levels of success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    -- Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> -Clay
>>>> "technologically promiscuous"
>>>>
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From don.ellis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:06:00 2012
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:06:00 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGG0=t4qYe21rcCF6kG-1RT4G0H3VQqOfPJaoaroeRZotw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALKyAet8JbWKXbFrupOzg5Fx8er6VH31n-87XxQo6MO9y=-R_Q@mail.gmail.com>

The literature related to Klear Screen products was emphatic about avoiding
products like Windex because of the permanent, irreversible damage they can
do to plastic surfaces. Current technology may not have those restrictions
when it's made from glass. Why not try it for a while and let us know the
results? Worst case - permanent cloudiness or dullness...

Woud be good to know if their advice still applies, but would have to test
different brands & models to know for sure.

Major ingredient in some of the specialized cleaners is distilled water;
mineral content leaves residue. Soft cloths for polishing is a good idea. I
often use my t-shirt (very soft fabric). RadTech describes their polishing
cloths (which they've incorporated in a number of products) as being
suitable for polishing optical mirrors (as in telescopes).

--Don Ellis


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
>> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
>> infection control!
>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My sleeve...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>>
>>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>>
>>>> ...
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:08:36 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:08:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGHrsDzqUw+2NisVvm3Vp_3kFxeA52cnzhy2qK3wA2nvUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAuMJGG0=t4qYe21rcCF6kG-1RT4G0H3VQqOfPJaoaroeRZotw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADi8XRsjAmOpYvuK+WcUb8871XznraVytLL7nb-wrZcQxXrYhw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALL8gRZ2QUQpR4bSP8Y-v4ht_++XadUKpSz-n=mK4JXScKR7tQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> yuck

Rattlesnake poison has been shown to be quite effective at removing
protienous stains.

/badadvice

--tim

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:09:23 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:09:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CALKyAet8JbWKXbFrupOzg5Fx8er6VH31n-87XxQo6MO9y=-R_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAuMJGG0=t4qYe21rcCF6kG-1RT4G0H3VQqOfPJaoaroeRZotw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALKyAet8JbWKXbFrupOzg5Fx8er6VH31n-87XxQo6MO9y=-R_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGG6BS40BO9GVD5J4+GTyPvkGZ1Vt2ZFs_EHhUXz1L6XdQ@mail.gmail.com>

The product I mentioned claims to be biodegradable and non-harsh.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Don Ellis <don.ellis at gmail.com> wrote:

> The literature related to Klear Screen products was emphatic about
> avoiding products like Windex because of the permanent, irreversible damage
> they can do to plastic surfaces. Current technology may not have those
> restrictions when it's made from glass. Why not try it for a while and let
> us know the results? Worst case - permanent cloudiness or dullness...
>
> Woud be good to know if their advice still applies, but would have to test
> different brands & models to know for sure.
>
> Major ingredient in some of the specialized cleaners is distilled water;
> mineral content leaves residue. Soft cloths for polishing is a good idea. I
> often use my t-shirt (very soft fabric). RadTech describes their polishing
> cloths (which they've incorporated in a number of products) as being
> suitable for polishing optical mirrors (as in telescopes).
>
> --Don Ellis
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
>>> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
>>> infection control!
>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My sleeve...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Oct 29 13:23:31 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:23:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210291222370.24644@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Lloyd wrote:

> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
> infection control!
>
Ahh, .. *NEVER* use any sort of paper product on a screen! No matter how
soft, they can scratch.

A clean cotton cloth (or wipe designed for that) is the only thing that
should touch a screen.

	Lee

From bob.kline at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:33:43 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:33:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CALKyAet8JbWKXbFrupOzg5Fx8er6VH31n-87XxQo6MO9y=-R_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwpJyZK5DT-dghqGhsuJNO69-XA_AMwXH6HsYDaVXyfm1cCpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGvG2HqJosq0gDYAMhZMPxxuS9nPFBGJwQnaP5D_T=atmLVhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAfXPNfFVqWn28+2HgYOfmh2+3P-=5TS2ashQ0dr-hc1Zv-Dig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAuMJGG0=t4qYe21rcCF6kG-1RT4G0H3VQqOfPJaoaroeRZotw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFOq4EKNOewN8ryDY9JagAtf3PDMCij9=qfEU3Y=fY6xrEmmGw@mail.gmail.com>

Re optical mirrors, the issue in
most cases is the coating on a
surface.  Most things like paper
towels and t-shirts are not going
to scratch glass, but could do a
job on an anti-reflecting coating.

   -- Bob



On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Don Ellis <don.ellis at gmail.com> wrote:

> The literature related to Klear Screen products was emphatic about
> avoiding products like Windex because of the permanent, irreversible damage
> they can do to plastic surfaces. Current technology may not have those
> restrictions when it's made from glass. Why not try it for a while and let
> us know the results? Worst case - permanent cloudiness or dullness...
>
> Woud be good to know if their advice still applies, but would have to test
> different brands & models to know for sure.
>
> Major ingredient in some of the specialized cleaners is distilled water;
> mineral content leaves residue. Soft cloths for polishing is a good idea. I
> often use my t-shirt (very soft fabric). RadTech describes their polishing
> cloths (which they've incorporated in a number of products) as being
> suitable for polishing optical mirrors (as in telescopes).
>
> --Don Ellis
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Be careful with ammonia based cleaners.  They can wreck havoc on plastics.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Lloyd <guyotll at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
>>> microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides some
>>> infection control!
>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:40 AM, "Clay Ashby" <kingpoiuy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My sleeve...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Lauzon <rlauzon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use the same wipes I use to clean my eye glasses.
>>>>>  On Oct 29, 2012 11:01 AM, "Bob Kline" <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For Nexus 7 owners:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>>>>>>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From philip.robar at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:37:00 2012
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Robar Philip)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:37:00 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E18E5F1-5EC4-4B0B-B72D-1170FF99B9E6@gmail.com>


On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:

> For Nexus 7 owners:
> 
> *  Flashplayer is not supported on the version of Android I have, and apparently 
>    there is no intention of supporting it in the future. What are you using instead?
>    i.e., at the moment I can?t play movies or music.

There?s Google ?Play Movie and TV?, but one of the most popular is MX Player. It?s been my default for months now. It gets updated regularly. (Make sure you install the appropriate codec package if needed.)

VLC for Android is still in beta, but you might want to give it a try: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-android.html

Phil


From don.ellis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 13:44:22 2012
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:44:22 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1210291222370.24644@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:23 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Lloyd wrote:
>
> > "soft" paper towel moistened with Windex followed by a wipe with a
> > microfiber. Removes whatever mess my kids make and hopefully provides
> some
> > infection control!
> >
> Ahh, .. *NEVER* use any sort of paper product on a screen! No matter how
> soft, they can scratch.
>
> A clean cotton cloth (or wipe designed for that) is the only thing that
> should touch a screen.


Agreed!

The Klear Screen product I mentioned  was available in bottles, with
special cleaning cloths (non-woven fabric product), and also in
single-serving packets, with a pair of moist towelettes (two packets with
different solutions and cloths). There is also the specialized cleaner and
lens tissues we used to get for coated camera lenses, that might be
overkill for this kind of daily application, but would certainly be
suitable.

--Don Ellis
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From tomewarren+grlug at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 14:45:31 2012
From: tomewarren+grlug at gmail.com (Tom Warren)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:45:31 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Nexus 7 questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK34xoX1HDZXyQLXTK0a=Lt78yTHTRJcx0EZgbn93vYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMQOa2DdAOsrR=JLaTi6jkzMJK=1gV20Hfz3UKhVostusoeyrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
> For Nexus 7 owners:
>
> *  What do you use to clean the screen
>    after it gets all gooped up and slimy?

For my phone (Android) and my eye glasses I make a solution of 1 parts
Rubbing Alcohol and 1 part Distilled water. I also take used up
t-shirts, cut them to size and use that to wipe the screen. I've been
doing this on electronics for 20 years now.

--
Tom Warren
tomewarren at gmail.com
Dell - Storage Architect                         Red Hat Certified
Engineer (RHCE)
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These opinions are mine and not necessarily those of my employer, Dell

From flanderb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 18:01:16 2012
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:01:16 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gitlab or I know just enough to get me in trouble
Message-ID: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a little atom based home server that I like to play around with.  It
has ubuntu 12.10 on it and I wanted to try gitlab on it.  The install
instructions are pretty good.  I have it installed and everything looks
good except that I had to stop apache to get nginx running.

This turning off apache and starting nginx seemed to mess with a couple
other services I had running.  Owncloud and ruTorrent just showed a
"welcome to nginx" screen.  Like I said in the subject, I know enough to
get me i trouble, but not enough to know what I am actually doing.  I don't
even know why I had to install nginx for gitlab, I turned it off and
everything still works.

So my question is, where would I get a good tutorial about how to set up
apache and/or nginx, exactly what they do and how they do it.  Or maybe we
have some experts in the house that would be willing to do a presentation
or work with a few newbie's?

Share and Enjoy
Ben
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Mon Oct 29 18:49:18 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:49:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gitlab or I know just enough to get me in trouble
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508F07EE.4010305@upmerchants.com>



On 10/29/2012 06:01 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
>
>
> So my question is, where would I get a good tutorial about how to set 
> up apache and/or nginx, exactly what they do and how they do it.  Or 
> maybe we have some experts in the house that would be willing to do a 
> presentation or work with a few newbie's?
>

If you do a google search for "nginx apache2 tutorial howtoforge" you 
will get some results which should help you out.

Howtoforge.com has a large repository of linux based tutorials.

Patrick

From flanderb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:29:06 2012
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:29:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gitlab or I know just enough to get me in trouble
In-Reply-To: <508F07EE.4010305@upmerchants.com>
References: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <508F07EE.4010305@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdZESq3=zFOtnFC-16w6hVSk4338R6hunrnZAjKDxSf==8ZJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You,
I was hoping for some vetted information.  Google shows a lot of info and I
don't know what is good information and what is out of date.  I'll look
through howtoforge that you.



Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Patrick Goupell <patrick at upmerchants.com>wrote:

>
>
> On 10/29/2012 06:01 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So my question is, where would I get a good tutorial about how to set up
>> apache and/or nginx, exactly what they do and how they do it.  Or maybe we
>> have some experts in the house that would be willing to do a presentation
>> or work with a few newbie's?
>>
>>
> If you do a google search for "nginx apache2 tutorial howtoforge" you will
> get some results which should help you out.
>
> Howtoforge.com has a large repository of linux based tutorials.
>
> Patrick
> ______________________________**_________________
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From spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:37:07 2012
From: spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com (scott woods)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:37:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
Message-ID: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>


does anyone have experience with LVM installation (in openSUSE 12.2)? Im plenty familiar with partitioning, but I couldn?t get a /boot outside the LVM. The only ready configuration that I could get to acknowledge was having the 1TB HDD devoted to LVM w/0 extending sda 1,2,3 ect for /boot. Phenom II x4 #egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo   ,returns A-ok for compatibility. openSUSE has 1,500 pgs of PDF just studying up for future LVM & KVM setup.
 		 	   		  
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From patrick at upmerchants.com  Tue Oct 30 11:35:55 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:35:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gitlab or I know just enough to get me in trouble
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESq3=zFOtnFC-16w6hVSk4338R6hunrnZAjKDxSf==8ZJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <508F07EE.4010305@upmerchants.com>
 <CAJdZESq3=zFOtnFC-16w6hVSk4338R6hunrnZAjKDxSf==8ZJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508FF3DB.6080403@upmerchants.com>

Linux News (www.lxer.com) just put up a link to an article that should  
fit you really well.

Patrick

From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:55:09 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:55:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] gitlab or I know just enough to get me in trouble
In-Reply-To: <508FF3DB.6080403@upmerchants.com>
References: <CAJdZESq7XezE0U=tVE-S5nZAV7LTkD_MHSr4YonxE7UdjVrxTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <508F07EE.4010305@upmerchants.com>
 <CAJdZESq3=zFOtnFC-16w6hVSk4338R6hunrnZAjKDxSf==8ZJQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <508FF3DB.6080403@upmerchants.com>
Message-ID: <CADi8XRvcZiXJuAoR=Wu9vVZKoKAetJqp7Q11bxTdz1r8weVhew@mail.gmail.com>

hey guys,

i think you need to edit the server tags in you nginx.conf file

For my understanding apache uses some .conf files to set up extra webpages
--


/etc/apache2/conf.d/zoneminder.conf  - thats for the webpage zoneminder

I think they look like this


<VirtualHost *:80>
    ServerAdmin ramesh at thegeekstuff.com
    DocumentRoot "/usr/local/apache2/docs/thegeekstuff"
    ServerName thegeekstuff.com
    ServerAlias www.thegeekstuff.com
    ErrorLog "logs/thegeekstuff/error_log"
    CustomLog "logs/thegeekstuff/access_log" common
</VirtualHost>


In nginx that is in the nginx.conf file and should look something like this

    #server {
    #    listen       8000;
    #    listen       somename:8080;
    #    server_name  somename  alias  another.alias;

    #    location / {
    #        root   html;
    #        index  index.html index.htm;
    #    }
    #}


Those are default setting but you just need to mod them to your needs, Now
I will not comment on if you need passenger or other things like that




On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Patrick Goupell
<patrick at upmerchants.com>wrote:

> Linux News (www.lxer.com) just put up a link to an article that should
>  fit you really well.
>
>
> Patrick
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Oct 30 11:55:25 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:55:25 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <201210301555.q9UFtPFt009104@Mail.omnitec.net>

At 10:37 AM 10/30/2012, scott woods wrote:
>does anyone have experience with LVM installation (in openSUSE 
>12.2)? Im plenty familiar with partitioning, but I couldn't get a 
>/boot outside the LVM. The only ready configuration that I could get 
>to acknowledge was having the 1TB HDD devoted to LVM w/0 extending 
>sda 1,2,3 ect for /boot. Phenom II x4 #egrep '(vmx|svm)' 
>/proc/cpuinfo   ,returns A-ok for compatibility. openSUSE has 1,500 
>pgs of PDF just studying up for future LVM & KVM setup.

Just create a 1G or 2G partition *first* on the disk, format ext4 and 
assign to /boot; then create swap space, *then* the LVM partition.

         Lee 


From ajhekman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 12:40:44 2012
From: ajhekman at gmail.com (Aj Hekman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:40:44 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
Message-ID: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>

My hp laptop isn't booting. I can't even get into The bios menu. All I
get is the HP logo when it first fires up, then a blinking cursor.

Any advice from the hardware enthusiasts? Is it done for?

- AJ

From spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 12:43:39 2012
From: spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com (scott woods)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:43:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
In-Reply-To: <201210301555.q9UFtPFt009104@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>,
 <201210301555.q9UFtPFt009104@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W57BA965209DC3B6CF5B2E9C3620@phx.gbl>


Alright, I'll see if adding swap with /boot outside of LVM helps it. I was so close, spent 12+ hours but the struggle bus prevailed. Ill give it another go. 

> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:55:25 -0500
> To: grlug at grlug.org; grlug at grlug.org
> From: lvl at omnitec.net
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
> 
> At 10:37 AM 10/30/2012, scott woods wrote:
> >does anyone have experience with LVM installation (in openSUSE 
> >12.2)? Im plenty familiar with partitioning, but I couldn't get a 
> >/boot outside the LVM. The only ready configuration that I could get 
> >to acknowledge was having the 1TB HDD devoted to LVM w/0 extending 
> >sda 1,2,3 ect for /boot. Phenom II x4 #egrep '(vmx|svm)' 
> >/proc/cpuinfo   ,returns A-ok for compatibility. openSUSE has 1,500 
> >pgs of PDF just studying up for future LVM & KVM setup.
> 
> Just create a 1G or 2G partition *first* on the disk, format ext4 and 
> assign to /boot; then create swap space, *then* the LVM partition.
> 
>          Lee 
> 
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Tue Oct 30 12:50:25 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:50:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1351615825.5615.0.camel@p105s6207.site>

On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 11:37 -0400, scott woods wrote:
> does anyone have experience with LVM installation (in openSUSE 12.2)?
> Im plenty familiar with partitioning, but I couldn?t get a /boot
> outside the LVM. 

?? I do such a setup all the time.

I just have a /boot partition as the first physical partition and all
the rest is LVM; it works fine.

> The only ready configuration that I could get to acknowledge was
> having the 1TB HDD devoted to LVM w/0 extending sda 1,2,3 ect
> for /boot. Phenom II x4 #egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo   ,returns
> A-ok for compatibility. openSUSE has 1,500 pgs of PDF just studying up
> for future LVM & KVM setup.



From richardnienhuis at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 12:51:31 2012
From: richardnienhuis at gmail.com (Richard Nienhuis)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:51:31 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAJd2Bx-mkMvCxjiyS2LqnoS+RrAjbs3DASsk2gpcTeD8QK-G=g@mail.gmail.com>

Unplug battery and power.  Hold power button in for thirty seconds.
 Release then plug back in and boot up.  Works all the time 80% percent of
the time.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Aj Hekman <ajhekman at gmail.com> wrote:

> My hp laptop isn't booting. I can't even get into The bios menu. All I
> get is the HP logo when it first fires up, then a blinking cursor.
>
> Any advice from the hardware enthusiasts? Is it done for?
>
> - AJ
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From john at wesorick.com  Tue Oct 30 12:57:37 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:57:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <CAJd2Bx-mkMvCxjiyS2LqnoS+RrAjbs3DASsk2gpcTeD8QK-G=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
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Message-ID: <CACrkP+EN30m4zVPa3Hm2bm4XsXo+ZW=ZEnhR40kQb5Y+25KfzA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Richard. I think I've seen this a lot more on Gateways though.
I think it's just an easy way to wipe the BIOS without cracking the case
and pulling the BIOS battery.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Richard Nienhuis <
richardnienhuis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unplug battery and power.  Hold power button in for thirty seconds.
>  Release then plug back in and boot up.  Works all the time 80% percent of
> the time.
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Aj Hekman <ajhekman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My hp laptop isn't booting. I can't even get into The bios menu. All I
>> get is the HP logo when it first fires up, then a blinking cursor.
>>
>> Any advice from the hardware enthusiasts? Is it done for?
>>
>> - AJ
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 13:02:14 2012
From: spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com (scott woods)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:02:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W26649156C2A5CFC5F27367C3620@phx.gbl>


The only reliable trick I know is resetting the cmos chip-battery. In a desktop this is done most often by simply removing the "watch size" battery thus resetting bios to POST- as by defaults. In a laptop however this can be done with 2 Contact points that can be Delicately "shorted" together, to perform the same reset. You tube has many tutorials Id look for a model specific tutorial.

> From: ajhekman at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:40:44 -0400
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
> 
> My hp laptop isn't booting. I can't even get into The bios menu. All I
> get is the HP logo when it first fires up, then a blinking cursor.
> 
> Any advice from the hardware enthusiasts? Is it done for?
> 
> - AJ
> _______________________________________________
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From mrj at plorb.com  Tue Oct 30 13:04:50 2012
From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:04:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <20121030170450.GA28081@blorp.plorb.com>

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:40:44PM -0400, Aj Hekman wrote:
> My hp laptop isn't booting. I can't even get into The bios menu. All I
> get is the HP logo when it first fires up, then a blinking cursor.
> 
> Any advice from the hardware enthusiasts? Is it done for?

If removing the battery for a little while doesn't help, I would try 
reseating anything easy to get to: RAM, hard disks, optical drives.  If 
that doesn't work, take it apart and reseat any other connections you 
can find, such as a graphics card, keyboard, etc.  I've seen a BIOS lock 
up when something unimportant had a partial connection.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <mrj at plorb.com>

From spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 13:13:57 2012
From: spiritkind2012 at hotmail.com (scott woods)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:13:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
In-Reply-To: <1351615825.5615.0.camel@p105s6207.site>
References: <SNT123-W63B8DD7F4BBC197CD0FE21C3620@phx.gbl>,
 <1351615825.5615.0.camel@p105s6207.site>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W6CFA77723060C88993B00C3620@phx.gbl>


Yup I was equally stumped. As soon as I set a Partition prior to LVM, It returned that LVM did not have an adequate space to use. Just needs looked into. Looking forward to having an LVM setup for drive bay upgrades.

> From: awilliam at whitemice.org
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:50:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] keen on LVM
> 
> On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 11:37 -0400, scott woods wrote:
> > does anyone have experience with LVM installation (in openSUSE 12.2)?
> > Im plenty familiar with partitioning, but I couldn?t get a /boot
> > outside the LVM. 
> 
> ?? I do such a setup all the time.
> 
> I just have a /boot partition as the first physical partition and all
> the rest is LVM; it works fine.
> 
> > The only ready configuration that I could get to acknowledge was
> > having the 1TB HDD devoted to LVM w/0 extending sda 1,2,3 ect
> > for /boot. Phenom II x4 #egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo   ,returns
> > A-ok for compatibility. openSUSE has 1,500 pgs of PDF just studying up
> > for future LVM & KVM setup.
> 
> 
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Tue Oct 30 16:25:13 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:25:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <CAJd2Bx-mkMvCxjiyS2LqnoS+RrAjbs3DASsk2gpcTeD8QK-G=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
 <CAJd2Bx-mkMvCxjiyS2LqnoS+RrAjbs3DASsk2gpcTeD8QK-G=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1351628713.9521.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>

On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 12:51 -0400, Richard Nienhuis wrote:
> Unplug battery and power.  Hold power button in for thirty seconds.
>  Release then plug back in and boot up.  Works all the time 80%
> percent of the time.

And make sure you have all USB devices disconnection;  on one of my
previous HP laptops having my phone connected to the USB port would hang
the laptop at the boot screen.



From adam at openfad.com  Tue Oct 30 17:39:04 2012
From: adam at openfad.com (Adam M. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:39:04 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Laptop not booting
In-Reply-To: <1351628713.9521.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
References: <1085639593202556327@unknownmsgid>
 <CAJd2Bx-mkMvCxjiyS2LqnoS+RrAjbs3DASsk2gpcTeD8QK-G=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1351628713.9521.1.camel@linux-nysu.site>
Message-ID: <CAFmXNSR-1Hj9wrQBaXDt91tdMHswU4OWXrE9vyvwoTn2UFH_Yg@mail.gmail.com>

+1

> And make sure you have all USB devices disconnection;  on one of my
> previous HP laptops having my phone connected to the USB port would hang
> the laptop at the boot screen.

Thumb drives, Printers with media card readers, & Cameras have given
me problems in the past with HP. They do not need to be boot-able, I
just had "boot to USB" switch on in the BOIS for this to become
irritating enough to shut it off in the BIOS.

From john at wesorick.com  Wed Oct 31 15:58:56 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:58:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Codeweavers Crossover Linux Free Today
Message-ID: <CACrkP+GrQy-nM6AFk6YJXApMBT1ykzAQVM=Cg7YdTpit2qh4fA@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who need to run Windows programs on Linux for some reason
(gaming, professional, etc), I just noticed that Codeweavers is offering 1
year of support/updates for Crossover Linux (or Crossover Mac, for those
people) today only. If you don't know, Crossover is basically
Wine/Winetricks/PlayOnLinux, but has better support and is not free (in
either sense). I do believe they help improve Wine as well.

Their website: http://codeweavers.com/ <http://flock.codeweavers.com/>
Link to the giveaway: http://flock.codeweavers.com/
Press Release: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/

It works pretty well, they had a giveaway 4 years ago, when the price of
gas dropped below $3. I used it for a while to get Office working on my
home computer when I was working in an MS shop.

-John
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