From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Dec  3 19:06:46 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:06:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to build a CentOS VM, but it detects the partition size as exactly
HALF that what is allocated in HyperV.

Don't suppose anyone has seen this sort of behavior and, hopefully, a
work-around?

        TIA,

        Lee

From casey at grlug.org  Tue Dec  4 13:31:47 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:31:47 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG / GRMakers Social this Wednesday December 5th @ The
	Warehouse
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZEsTONX2owrVyyju5EZXXEs6-L=7bhV0D4VSS=ZU+JCAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

YES there is a GRLUG / GRMakers Social THIS WEDNESDAY December 8th @ The
Warehouse from 8PM-Whenever.

WE are working on all of the previous projects and Just Josh is bringing
some X10 stuff for us to play with.

See you TOMORROW!!!

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Dec  4 15:38:44 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:38:44 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG / GRMakers Social this Wednesday December 5th @
	The Warehouse
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZEsTONX2owrVyyju5EZXXEs6-L=7bhV0D4VSS=ZU+JCAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZEsTONX2owrVyyju5EZXXEs6-L=7bhV0D4VSS=ZU+JCAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZHAY-2d01CK77-nbZt=z7r48itP039Hircco-dm5ZnyVw@mail.gmail.com>

Correction to my TYPO BELOW!!!

GRLUG / GRMakers Social THIS WEDNESDAY December 5th @ The Warehouse, 112
Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> YES there is a GRLUG / GRMakers Social THIS WEDNESDAY December 8th @ The
> Warehouse from 8PM-Whenever.
>
> WE are working on all of the previous projects and Just Josh is bringing
> some X10 stuff for us to play with.
>
> See you TOMORROW!!!
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>



-- 
Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 20:52:23 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:52:23 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Torvalds -vs- Tanenbaum
Message-ID: <CAFOq4E+a=ha6yBUFFFgjLJ22rVtZjuJBw=PknXwOVLt-Djt00w@mail.gmail.com>

http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html

Some here might enjoy this.  Started
in 1992, it's mostly historical now.

GNU's hurd hasn't materialized in something
like 25 years.  Mike Bushnell worked on it,
collided with Stallman, changed his name to
Thomas, and is now a monk or some such
thing, although he still does software.  I have
no idea where the hurd stands, might ever go,
etc.  Minix doesn't seem like a serious contender
for a GNU kernel.

Anyway, if you want to get a hint at what all
the shouting was about,  try the link above.

  -- Bob
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Tue Dec  4 21:03:01 2012
From: jtr at jrichards.org (John-Thomas Richards)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:03:01 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Torvalds -vs- Tanenbaum
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4E+a=ha6yBUFFFgjLJ22rVtZjuJBw=PknXwOVLt-Djt00w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4E+a=ha6yBUFFFgjLJ22rVtZjuJBw=PknXwOVLt-Djt00w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121205020301.GC28003@mint>

On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 08:52:23PM -0500, Bob Kline wrote:
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html
> 
> Some here might enjoy this.  Started in 1992, it's mostly historical
> now.

History is interesting.

> GNU's hurd hasn't materialized in something like 25 years.  Mike
> Bushnell worked on it, collided with Stallman, changed his name to
> Thomas, and is now a monk or some such thing, although he still does
> software.  I have no idea where the hurd stands, might ever go, etc.
> Minix doesn't seem like a serious contender for a GNU kernel.
> 
> Anyway, if you want to get a hint at what all the shouting was about,
> try the link above.

Hurd is around.  -ish.  Debian is attempting to have it ready in time
for Wheezy's release.  (I think it's doubtful, but I'm hardly up on the
dev scene within Debian.)
-- 
john-thomas
------
Lots of people think they're charitable if they give away their old clothes
and things they don't want.  It isn't charity to give away things you want
to get rid of and it isn't a sacrifice to do things you don't mind doing.
Myrtle Reed, author (1874-1911)

From topher at codeventure.net  Tue Dec  4 23:26:19 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:26:19 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] printer for sale, needs tinkering
Message-ID: <50BECCEB.60408@codeventure.net>

I have a nice Canon Pixma MP500 that I'd like to get rid of.  It's
worked well for about a year, I got it for free.

Yesterday it said it had the wrong print head in it, and I needed to put
the right one in.  Google told me that means it's dirty, and had nice
instructions on how to clean it.

Cleaning it didn't help.  I'll take Best Offer for it.  Amazon has Used
one for $115. 
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-All-In-One-Printer-Copier-Scanner/dp/B000AYFP6A 
My gut tells me it's a relatively easy fix for a hardware nerd, which I
am not.

I bought a new printer for my wife today, one that does wifi and she can
print from her tablet.

The Canon has about $70 worth of new ink in it that I put in Saturday. 
I have one extra black cart that is still sealed.

Topher


From topher at codeventure.net  Tue Dec  4 23:30:12 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:30:12 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Netflix in Linux
Message-ID: <50BECDD4.2060101@codeventure.net>

I don't remember if anyone posted this or not:
http://www.howtogeek.com/130372/how-to-watch-netflix-on-ubuntu-with-the-netflix-desktop-app/

I waited a few days for it to appear in Arch's User Repo and installed
from my package manager.   Works like a charm.

Topher

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Dec  5 06:09:32 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 06:09:32 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1354705772.4530.6.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>

On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 18:06 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to build a CentOS VM, but it detects the partition size as exactly
> HALF that what is allocated in HyperV.
> Don't suppose anyone has seen this sort of behavior and, hopefully, a
> work-around?

What is the size of the partition?  Perhaps it is really just a
not-using-GPT issue? [assuming the partition is large].

I've never seen anything like half-sized-partitions.


From casey at grlug.org  Wed Dec  5 10:12:47 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:12:47 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ The
Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.

Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth V1 &
V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
Vortex Cannon, X10.

I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but
also want to invite everyone to bring their projects.

Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change and
another member brought in something that needed welding.

Here's a short list of gear that is available:

Welders
Torch
Vehicle Ramps
ForkLift
Table Saw
Wood Planer
Compressor
Air tools
Hand tools

I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:14:13 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:14:13 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>

I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will most 
likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview 
thurs am.

Kelly

On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ 
> The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
>
> Here's what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth 
> V1 & V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, 
> Big Bad Vortex Cannon, X10.
>
> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects 
> but also want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
>
> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change 
> and another member brought in something that needed welding.
>
> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
>
> Welders
> Torch
> Vehicle Ramps
> ForkLift
> Table Saw
> Wood Planer
> Compressor
> Air tools
> Hand tools
>
> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942 <tel:616-808-6942>
> casey at grlug.org <mailto:casey at grlug.org>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:22:07 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:22:07 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
In-Reply-To: <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDzxcaSQJN85bFn+dD8haWbCx=9Rk3Yx2QjNvU1jwtn0Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009656.do

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
<kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will most
> likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview thurs
> am.
>
> Kelly
>
>
> On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ The
> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
>
> Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth V1 &
> V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
> Vortex Cannon, X10.
>
> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but also
> want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
>
> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change and
> another member brought in something that needed welding.
>
> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
>
> Welders
> Torch
> Vehicle Ramps
> ForkLift
> Table Saw
> Wood Planer
> Compressor
> Air tools
> Hand tools
>
> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
:wq

From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Dec  5 10:24:29 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:24:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <1354705772.4530.6.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <1354705772.4530.6.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212050924000.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> What is the size of the partition?  Perhaps it is really just a
> not-using-GPT issue? [assuming the partition is large].
>
250GB

> I've never seen anything like half-sized-partitions.
>
No worries, .. I just made a 50GB system partition and took the default
127GB for /home.

	Lee

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:49:09 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:49:09 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiDzxcaSQJN85bFn+dD8haWbCx=9Rk3Yx2QjNvU1jwtn0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiDzxcaSQJN85bFn+dD8haWbCx=9Rk3Yx2QjNvU1jwtn0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiD-Cd_-qjzNYGejjD9M7uz9srhwMBkpniff4F+h4=fXxA@mail.gmail.com>

Incidentally, I believe they have that at the Grand Rapids Public Library.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009656.do
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will most
>> likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview thurs
>> am.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>> On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ The
>> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
>>
>> Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth V1 &
>> V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
>> Vortex Cannon, X10.
>>
>> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but also
>> want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
>>
>> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change and
>> another member brought in something that needed welding.
>>
>> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
>>
>> Welders
>> Torch
>> Vehicle Ramps
>> ForkLift
>> Table Saw
>> Wood Planer
>> Compressor
>> Air tools
>> Hand tools
>>
>> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
>>
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> --
> :wq



-- 
:wq

From kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:51:23 2012
From: kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com (Kelly Vanderwell)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:51:23 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiD-Cd_-qjzNYGejjD9M7uz9srhwMBkpniff4F+h4=fXxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiDzxcaSQJN85bFn+dD8haWbCx=9Rk3Yx2QjNvU1jwtn0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiD-Cd_-qjzNYGejjD9M7uz9srhwMBkpniff4F+h4=fXxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BF6D7B.1030707@gmail.com>

looks like a bit of "lite bedtime reading"  aka something that'd be too 
hard to understand or put me to sleep.

On 12/05/2012 10:49 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> Incidentally, I believe they have that at the Grand Rapids Public Library.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009656.do
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
>> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will most
>>> likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview thurs
>>> am.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ The
>>> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
>>>
>>> Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth V1 &
>>> V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
>>> Vortex Cannon, X10.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but also
>>> want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
>>>
>>> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change and
>>> another member brought in something that needed welding.
>>>
>>> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
>>>
>>> Welders
>>> Torch
>>> Vehicle Ramps
>>> ForkLift
>>> Table Saw
>>> Wood Planer
>>> Compressor
>>> Air tools
>>> Hand tools
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
>>>
>>> Casey DuBois
>>> 616-808-6942
>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>
>


From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:52:44 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:52:44 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
In-Reply-To: <50BF6D7B.1030707@gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHsL7pYYb2jSL9-OyNCo5Ze09dT0iAir0nj+1VursTYEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50BF64C5.3030500@gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiDzxcaSQJN85bFn+dD8haWbCx=9Rk3Yx2QjNvU1jwtn0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiD-Cd_-qjzNYGejjD9M7uz9srhwMBkpniff4F+h4=fXxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50BF6D7B.1030707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiAH4xUgmH2RB28b_8UDuTkrv3RgjFwdQyfJwKoXwz+nZg@mail.gmail.com>

It's a walkthrough book. You're supposed to be sitting at a terminal,
trying the things it's talking about.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
<kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> looks like a bit of "lite bedtime reading"  aka something that'd be too hard
> to understand or put me to sleep.
>
>
> On 12/05/2012 10:49 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>
>> Incidentally, I believe they have that at the Grand Rapids Public Library.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009656.do
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
>>> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will most
>>>> likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview
>>>> thurs
>>>> am.
>>>>
>>>> Kelly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey All,
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @ The
>>>> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
>>>>
>>>> Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth V1
>>>> &
>>>> V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
>>>> Vortex Cannon, X10.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but
>>>> also
>>>> want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
>>>>
>>>> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change
>>>> and
>>>> another member brought in something that needed welding.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
>>>>
>>>> Welders
>>>> Torch
>>>> Vehicle Ramps
>>>> ForkLift
>>>> Table Saw
>>>> Wood Planer
>>>> Compressor
>>>> Air tools
>>>> Hand tools
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Casey DuBois
>>>> 616-808-6942
>>>> casey at grlug.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :wq
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug



-- 
:wq

From leapole at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 11:55:16 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:55:16 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's GRLUG / GRMakers Social
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Here is some video about it, http://hak5.org/episodes/haktip-57, I think
they do all terminal stuff up to number 70.  But just in case no one told
you the tab key is very important and the man pages or command --help.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's a walkthrough book. You're supposed to be sitting at a terminal,
> trying the things it's talking about.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > looks like a bit of "lite bedtime reading"  aka something that'd be too
> hard
> > to understand or put me to sleep.
> >
> >
> > On 12/05/2012 10:49 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> >>
> >> Incidentally, I believe they have that at the Grand Rapids Public
> Library.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009656.do
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Kelly Vanderwell
> >>> <kelly.vanderwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I need help with learning terminal on my linux machine, but I will
> most
> >>>> likely not be there tonight; I have a REALLY important job interview
> >>>> thurs
> >>>> am.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kelly
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/05/2012 10:12 AM, Casey DuBois wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't forget about TONIGHT'S GRLUG / GRMakers Social December 5th @
> The
> >>>> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM-Whenever.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here?s what we will be working on this week: Open Source Photo Booth
> V1
> >>>> &
> >>>> V2, RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad
> >>>> Vortex Cannon, X10.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects
> but
> >>>> also
> >>>> want to invite everyone to bring their projects.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last week one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil change
> >>>> and
> >>>> another member brought in something that needed welding.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a short list of gear that is available:
> >>>>
> >>>> Welders
> >>>> Torch
> >>>> Vehicle Ramps
> >>>> ForkLift
> >>>> Table Saw
> >>>> Wood Planer
> >>>> Compressor
> >>>> Air tools
> >>>> Hand tools
> >>>>
> >>>> I look forward to seeing you ALL soon!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Casey DuBois
> >>>> 616-808-6942
> >>>> casey at grlug.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> grlug mailing list
> >>>> grlug at grlug.org
> >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> grlug mailing list
> >>>> grlug at grlug.org
> >>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> :wq
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
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From grlug at tcowan.net  Thu Dec  6 09:46:39 2012
From: grlug at tcowan.net (grlug at tcowan.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:46:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212050924000.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
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> On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>
>> What is the size of the partition?  Perhaps it is really just a
>> not-using-GPT issue? [assuming the partition is large].
>>
> 250GB
>
>> I've never seen anything like half-sized-partitions.
>>
> No worries, .. I just made a 50GB system partition and took the default
> 127GB for /home.
>
> 	Lee
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>

Anything past 127gb you MUST install the Hyper-V rpms distributed by
Microsoft.

Download the iso here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34603

Mount them to a folder on the box and install them.

They also recommend disabling irqbalance service as well.

chkconfig irqbalance off

Thanks


From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Dec  6 11:35:26 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:35:26 -0600
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <28868.107.1.17.23.1354805199.squirrel@mx1.kdatasystems.net
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References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
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At 08:46 AM 12/6/2012, grlug at tcowan.net wrote:

>Anything past 127gb you MUST install the Hyper-V rpms distributed by
>Microsoft.

Bingo, .. thanks! Another reason CentOS is a headache, .. having 
built/used SuSE for years, but at least we have the reason.

         Thanks!

         Lee 


From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Dec  6 11:39:08 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:39:08 -0600
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <28868.107.1.17.23.1354805199.squirrel@mx1.kdatasystems.net
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References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
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At 08:46 AM 12/6/2012, grlug at tcowan.net wrote:

>They also recommend disabling irqbalance service as well.
>
>chkconfig irqbalance off

Appreciate the info!

Looked for irqbalance in /etc/init.d, nada;  There appears to be no 
irqbalance kernel module (loaded or not), the only reference on the 
system seems to be part of SELinux?

One of the first things I did was disable SELinux, so it would not be an issue?

         Thanks!

         Lee 


From grlug at tcowan.net  Thu Dec  6 14:24:52 2012
From: grlug at tcowan.net (grlug at tcowan.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:24:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GRLUG] CentOS on HyperV
In-Reply-To: <201212061639.qB6Gd5Ft028923@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212031806241.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
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You should be good to go. I noticed no changes when disabling irqbalance.
After installing the RPM files all my problems went away. I shared this
information with you because I did a service call with this exact issue
and RedHat support is horrible and they know nothing. CentOS/Red Hat must
not be using the right hyper-v patches in their default kernel or
something. I never had to install anything on my Debian/Ubuntu installs.
Also Red Hat 5 does not have any problems either. It was very strange, but
I spent probably 8 hours trying to determine the problem. Microsoft calls
it "Linux Integration Services" if you have to look it up for whatever
reason.

I disable selinux a lot just cause it is very temperamental. After you
install those RPM's you should be good to go. They are just loadable
kernel modules for the kernel. Hopefully they get better kernel support
for Hyper-V and Red Hat later on.

Good luck.

> At 08:46 AM 12/6/2012, grlug at tcowan.net wrote:
>
>>They also recommend disabling irqbalance service as well.
>>
>>chkconfig irqbalance off
>
> Appreciate the info!
>
> Looked for irqbalance in /etc/init.d, nada;  There appears to be no
> irqbalance kernel module (loaded or not), the only reference on the
> system seems to be part of SELinux?
>
> One of the first things I did was disable SELinux, so it would not be an
> issue?
>
>          Thanks!
>
>          Lee
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



From bob.kline at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 12:18:47 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:18:47 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>

On a scale of folklore to fact, is
there anything to the notion that
one can burn up a CPU by keeping
it at full throttle for an extended
period?

Consider just nominal clock rates,
not over clocking.

e.g., if someone,  me for example,
was to process SETI data 24/7, is
the CPU likely to smoke?

I can imagine that a particularly
dusty CPU and cooling fin might
pose issues.  Anything else?  Even
that?

Some motherboards have thermal
protection of various kinds. Is there
an open software package that can
display where things are at?  In the
olden days I think a motherboard
would sometimes come with a DOS
or windoz package that would do that.

   -- Bob
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 12:27:41 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:27:41 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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The Pentium 4 was the first modern x86 with built-in thermal
protection reliable and effective enough to save the CPU from damaging
itself in the case of catastrophic heatsink failure - it falling off,
for instance.

All of Intel's stuff prior, and all of AMD's stuff for some time after
that could be convinced to cook themselves under the right
circumstances.  Sometimes with as little effort as a stopped fan, or
dust-clogged heatsink.

--tim

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Fri Dec  7 12:37:23 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:37:23 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com> wrote:
>On a scale of folklore to fact, is
>there anything to the notion that
>one can burn up a CPU by keeping
>it at full throttle for an extended
>period?
>Consider just nominal clock rates,
>not over clocking.
>e.g., if someone,  me for example,
>was to process SETI data 24/7, is
>the CPU likely to smoke?
>I can imagine that a particularly
>dusty CPU and cooling fin might
>pose issues.  Anything else?  Even
>that?

If your box is from the early Pentium Pro vintage than, yes, you can smoke it.  Pretty much impossible on anything newer - at least they will just turn off.


>Some motherboards have thermal
>protection of various kinds. Is there
>an open software package that can
>display where things are at? 


Yes,  this is supported out-of-the-box in most cases.  Usually managed by a package called lmsensors.  Most DE's have widgets for displaying this information - which on modern hardware is never worth the trouble of knowing.



-- 
Adam Tauno Williams, LPI1 / NCLA

From desertfrag at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 12:39:09 2012
From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:39:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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I run a few different distributed computing projects mostly 24/7 on a few quad core cpu's. ?While it's never happened to me I've heard plenty of stories about burning up cpu's but mostly in the old days where it took just seconds, especially if the heat sink was put on improperly or forgotten altogether. ?It seems to be somewhat less of an issue now with lower voltage cpu's, improved heat sinks, better ventilated cases, and thermal monitoring in bios where yes, it many circumstances the default setting was no monitoring.

I monitor temps with the command 'sensors' as well as running the gui equivalent xsensors. ?When the temps go above 58C in the winter it's usually a sign of dust build up so out comes the air compressor for a good blasting. ?Ambients are just too warm during the summer to run fun tilt unless the cpu's are clocked way back.

A lot of people are using gpu's these days to run projects. ?I've heard the failure rate is pretty high as vid cards simply aren't designed to run high loads for such long durations. ?


________________________________
 From: Bob Kline <bob.kline at gmail.com>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
 

On a scale of folklore to fact, is?
there anything to the notion that?
one can burn up a CPU by keeping
it at full throttle for an extended?
period?

Consider just nominal clock rates,
not over clocking.

e.g., if someone, ?me for example,
was to process SETI data 24/7, is
the CPU likely to smoke?

I can imagine that a particularly?
dusty CPU and cooling fin might
pose issues. ?Anything else? ?Even
that?

Some motherboards have thermal
protection of various kinds. Is there
an open software package that can
display where things are at? ?In the
olden days I think a motherboard?
would sometimes come with a DOS
or windoz package that would do that.

? ?-- Bob

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From leapole at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 12:46:09 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:46:09 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CALL8gRbPNURssoEepOONtTw1jYTB51cjRcm8df3vbwskhNRMug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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If you are using linux there are different packages but they most are based
off lm-sensors to get the data from the cpu, motherboard, hard drives, and
graphic cards.  There is a gnome2 panel deal to have it displayed in the
bar on top, or you can also use conky and use scripts to have it displayed
on your desktop.

Now I will say running your computer 100 percent for 2 years will be harder
on the equipment than it just running at 10 percent.  As for how much
different it is, I do not know.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Pentium 4 was the first modern x86 with built-in thermal
> protection reliable and effective enough to save the CPU from damaging
> itself in the case of catastrophic heatsink failure - it falling off,
> for instance.
>
> All of Intel's stuff prior, and all of AMD's stuff for some time after
> that could be convinced to cook themselves under the right
> circumstances.  Sometimes with as little effort as a stopped fan, or
> dust-clogged heatsink.
>
> --tim
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 12:51:10 2012
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:51:10 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRuBHvQdigoePkGtMyoUjkQPj7rHWDwtpGa2G4_HzxUwUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I will say running your computer 100 percent for 2 years will be harder
> on the equipment than it just running at 10 percent.  As for how much
> different it is, I do not know.

A 10% duty cycle, where the machine runs flat-out for 1 minute, idles
for 9, and repeats will be much harder on a system than running
full-bore 24/7 - assuming the cooling system is designed to cope with
that (they all should be).  Each swing between temperature extremes
has the potential to induce stress fractures in the solder joints,
unseat heatsinks, and other foul things.

--tim

From jeff at demaagd.com  Fri Dec  7 13:09:58 2012
From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:09:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Burn up the CPU - NOT LINUX
In-Reply-To: <CALL8gRbPNURssoEepOONtTw1jYTB51cjRcm8df3vbwskhNRMug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFOq4EK9eTKkZK4EGnB6gxH96SXkjJyTJNvmpU0bdG5KH_mmrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <50C230F6.5050006@demaagd.com>



I think that saved me a CPU once, the heat sink's fan stalled out and 
the computer would shut down after a while. I don't know why there 
wasn't a warning anywhere though.

I have some computers that immediately shut down if you stall a fan, 
they read a tachometer in the fan.



On 12/7/12 12:27 PM, Tim Schmidt wrote:
> The Pentium 4 was the first modern x86 with built-in thermal
> protection reliable and effective enough to save the CPU from damaging
> itself in the case of catastrophic heatsink failure - it falling off,
> for instance.
>
> All of Intel's stuff prior, and all of AMD's stuff for some time after
> that could be convinced to cook themselves under the right
> circumstances.  Sometimes with as little effort as a stopped fan, or
> dust-clogged heatsink.

-- 
Jeff
DM-Accessories

From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Mon Dec 10 09:33:38 2012
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:33:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] Suggestions for managed / hosted website
In-Reply-To: <1340857102.1082457.1355147958619.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have a couple of friends that own a small automotive performance shop in GR ( lengerracing.com ) and they're looking to outsource their website design and storefront, on a very small budget. They have a wordpress site now, but want something more professional looking and to better sell their products and vendor products. 


They've looked into webshopmanager.com - does anyone in the group have any suggestions for good (and cheap) website creation/hosting, or opinions about Web Shop Manager? 






Thanks, 
Scott 




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From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 09:41:10 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:41:10 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Suggestions for managed / hosted website
In-Reply-To: <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1340857102.1082457.1355147958619.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <CA+czFiCbbGJTsv+tv0SN3JNH+vGZnwCdij0w=nTuan+iV=Ao3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:33 AM,  <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
> I have a couple of friends that own a small automotive performance shop in
> GR ( lengerracing.com ) and they're looking to outsource their website
> design and storefront,  on a very small budget.   They have a wordpress site
> now, but want something more professional looking and to better sell their
> products and vendor products.
>
> They've looked into webshopmanager.com  -  does anyone in the group have any
> suggestions for good (and cheap) website creation/hosting, or opinions about
> Web Shop Manager?

VirtualInterconnect is local. I've worked with them; they're good people. :)

--
:wq

From brousch at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 09:41:57 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:41:57 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Suggestions for managed / hosted website
In-Reply-To: <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1340857102.1082457.1355147958619.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB03prwUif1ED9mCcVO02JbZ2A746iKMH2pfqYTDqtHHHA@mail.gmail.com>

You should ask this on the GRWebDev mailing list.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grwebdev

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:33 AM,  <scott.tanner at comcast.net> wrote:
> I have a couple of friends that own a small automotive performance shop in
> GR ( lengerracing.com ) and they're looking to outsource their website
> design and storefront,  on a very small budget.   They have a wordpress site
> now, but want something more professional looking and to better sell their
> products and vendor products.
>
> They've looked into webshopmanager.com  -  does anyone in the group have any
> suggestions for good (and cheap) website creation/hosting, or opinions about
> Web Shop Manager?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From jeff at demaagd.com  Mon Dec 10 10:22:25 2012
From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:22:25 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Suggestions for managed / hosted website
In-Reply-To: <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1723997109.1083126.1355150018349.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50C5FE31.3080704@demaagd.com>



If you're looking to set up a web store, consider Shopify. I've used it 
for about three years for my shop, as well as my dad's.



On 12/10/12 9:33 AM, scott.tanner at comcast.net wrote:
> I have a couple of friends that own a small automotive performance shop
> in GR ( lengerracing.com ) and they're looking to outsource their
> website design and storefront,  on a very small budget.   They have a
> wordpress site now, but want something more professional looking and to
> better sell their products and vendor products.
>
> They've looked into webshopmanager.com  -  does anyone in the group have
> any suggestions for good (and cheap) website creation/hosting, or
> opinions about Web Shop Manager?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Scott

-- 
Jeff
DM-Accessories

From john at wesorick.com  Mon Dec 10 11:13:07 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:13:07 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
Message-ID: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>

I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I got
my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple hours
to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet? I was able to
play a bunch of my games previously purchased from Humble Bundles, and
bought a few extra games. Everything worked very well, except it handles
dependencies a little screwy, since it doesn't actually handle them while
installing. I am guessing that it just installs everything to your home
directory to avoid needing root privileges  Some games that had unmet
dependencies just failed and didn't open, but others would actually open up
the Software Center and try to install them.

I also had a slight issue with Big Picture mode where when browsing my
games, it would just automatically start the last game played. That may
have been because of my controller too. I'm using an Xbox controller, and a
cheap Chinese wireless adapter. Big Picture Mode is beta on Windows too, so
it may just be a bug too. At any rate, the default view works fine.

As for the actual games, once they were installed, they worked fairly
flawlessly. I ended up buying three extra games to show support. The
graphics were great, no slowdown, etc. I did have a slight issue when
viewing cut scenes in Serious Sam 3, where it would sort of clip the sound
on scene changes. It was slightly distracting, but it didn't really affect
the storytelling, so I am not sure if this is normal or not as I have
nothing to compare it to.

Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain some
ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially support
Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the forums are
getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora, Arch, etc.
-John Wesorick
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From topher at codeventure.net  Mon Dec 10 11:28:32 2012
From: topher at codeventure.net (Topher)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:28:32 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C60DB0.3020302@codeventure.net>

On 12/10/2012 11:13 AM, John Wesorick wrote:
> I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I
> got my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple
> hours to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet? 

<snip>

> Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain
> some ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially
> support Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the
> forums are getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora,
> Arch, etc.

I tried it on Arch64.  It first failed because I needed the 32bit OpenGL
stuff.  That was an easy fix.  It now fails for a different reason, I
don't remember.  I tried playing the free game they're pushing with this
beta, and it started to load and then just bailed.

I'll post more later.


From john at wesorick.com  Mon Dec 10 12:25:23 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
In-Reply-To: <50C60DB0.3020302@codeventure.net>
References: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACrkP+Eecm3yuiKfpxWNgzn6X5MSOcWgxyLJhSZb7WRYU8E40A@mail.gmail.com>

The everything being 32-bit is kind of a fail and annoying, but at least
it's a start. You may also need the newest proprietary graphics card
drivers for your card. I know Valve worked hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to
really improve their Linux drivers. With NVidia, I think I heard that they
doubled the performance in the newest release (310), so that they are
actually *better* than their Windows counterpart now.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

> On 12/10/2012 11:13 AM, John Wesorick wrote:
> > I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I
> > got my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple
> > hours to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet?
>
> <snip>
>
> > Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain
> > some ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially
> > support Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the
> > forums are getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora,
> > Arch, etc.
>
> I tried it on Arch64.  It first failed because I needed the 32bit OpenGL
> stuff.  That was an easy fix.  It now fails for a different reason, I
> don't remember.  I tried playing the free game they're pushing with this
> beta, and it started to load and then just bailed.
>
> I'll post more later.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From desertfrag at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 18:32:52 2012
From: desertfrag at yahoo.com (desert frag)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:32:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+Eecm3yuiKfpxWNgzn6X5MSOcWgxyLJhSZb7WRYU8E40A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CACrkP+Eecm3yuiKfpxWNgzn6X5MSOcWgxyLJhSZb7WRYU8E40A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1355182372.23683.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hardforum.com just started a thread on it here:? http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1732341

Haven't tried it yet, for now I'm content running a dedicated server using CentOS 6.3 split between UT2004 and OpenArena.? Old skool, I know.? It's usually up between 9 pm and 7 am.

Server name:? Grand Rapids MI
IP: 69.208.82.156

Tonight it's OpenArena.

OA server list: http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena





________________________________
 From: John Wesorick <john at wesorick.com>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
 

The everything being 32-bit is kind of a fail and annoying, but at least it's a start. You may also need the newest proprietary graphics card drivers for your card. I know Valve worked hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to really improve their Linux drivers. With NVidia, I think I heard that they doubled the performance in the newest release (310), so that they are actually better than their Windows counterpart now.



On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:

On 12/10/2012 11:13 AM, John Wesorick wrote:
>> I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I
>> got my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple
>> hours to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet?
>
><snip>
>
>
>> Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain
>> some ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially
>> support Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the
>> forums are getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora,
>> Arch, etc.
>
>I tried it on Arch64. ?It first failed because I needed the 32bit OpenGL
>stuff. ?That was an easy fix. ?It now fails for a different reason, I
>don't remember. ?I tried playing the free game they're pushing with this
>beta, and it started to load and then just bailed.
>
>I'll post more later.
>
>_______________________________________________
>grlug mailing list
>grlug at grlug.org
>http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From davidn.wise at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 09:30:58 2012
From: davidn.wise at gmail.com (David Wise)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:30:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
In-Reply-To: <1355182372.23683.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CACrkP+Eecm3yuiKfpxWNgzn6X5MSOcWgxyLJhSZb7WRYU8E40A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFqr0KzD1GSBDXexz3KtAFcLN2eC9P8+NRv+Aj840SLVab4ntQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've got Steam's Windows client installed on an Ubuntu box at the moment
via WINE. The client runs great, but the only game I've tried installing so
far is Portal 2. Game loads up great, and allows me to start playing, but
the moment it gets past menus and load screen I get a pure white screen and
no progress. Dunno if that's just my box though. It's pretty old. Seems
like until more games get ported to Linux, this still could be a viable
alternative to be able to play.
--
Dave



On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 6:32 PM, desert frag <desertfrag at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hardforum.com just started a thread on it here:
> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1732341
>
> Haven't tried it yet, for now I'm content running a dedicated server using
> CentOS 6.3 split between UT2004 and OpenArena.  Old skool, I know.  It's
> usually up between 9 pm and 7 am.
>
> Server name:  Grand Rapids MI
> IP: 69.208.82.156
>
> Tonight it's OpenArena.
>
> OA server list: http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* John Wesorick <john at wesorick.com>
> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
> grlug at grlug.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 12:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
>
> The everything being 32-bit is kind of a fail and annoying, but at least
> it's a start. You may also need the newest proprietary graphics card
> drivers for your card. I know Valve worked hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to
> really improve their Linux drivers. With NVidia, I think I heard that they
> doubled the performance in the newest release (310), so that they are
> actually *better* than their Windows counterpart now.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/10/2012 11:13 AM, John Wesorick wrote:
> > I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I
> > got my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple
> > hours to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet?
>
> <snip>
>
> > Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain
> > some ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially
> > support Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the
> > forums are getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora,
> > Arch, etc.
>
> I tried it on Arch64.  It first failed because I needed the 32bit OpenGL
> stuff.  That was an easy fix.  It now fails for a different reason, I
> don't remember.  I tried playing the free game they're pushing with this
> beta, and it started to load and then just bailed.
>
> I'll post more later.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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>
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From john at wesorick.com  Tue Dec 11 12:06:47 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:06:47 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAFqr0KzD1GSBDXexz3KtAFcLN2eC9P8+NRv+Aj840SLVab4ntQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACrkP+FwrEZD0f7j=Y3e+eNx7HVVbiUmx8oYqw2m5wFKy-A3jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <50C60DB0.3020302@codeventure.net>
 <CACrkP+Eecm3yuiKfpxWNgzn6X5MSOcWgxyLJhSZb7WRYU8E40A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1355182372.23683.YahooMailNeo@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CACrkP+FeYASVDyyJBk2kKNzU6K+6cxuB64xckZsesM2DUD7XaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes people have had some success running some Steam games through Wine.
Valve even seems to sort of support/encourage it,
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux. The downside to
this is it doesn't show you as a Linux user, when devs go through usage
logs, or see purchases, etc.

It sounds like at least the first Portal should be coming to Linux soon,
http://www.polygon.com/2012/10/29/3573394/steam-linux-beta-feature-portal-team-fortress-2-serious-sam-3.
The beta was apparently supposed to launch with it. Here is the full list
of games now available, (31 including addons)
http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/. Many of these were available
through Humble Bundles. It is still in closed beta, so we can't expect too
much yet, but I have already seen the Serious Sam devs say if
this experiment goes well, they will do more ports, and Valve has said they
plan on porting at least all of their games developed in-house.


On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:30 AM, David Wise <davidn.wise at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got Steam's Windows client installed on an Ubuntu box at the moment
> via WINE. The client runs great, but the only game I've tried installing so
> far is Portal 2. Game loads up great, and allows me to start playing, but
> the moment it gets past menus and load screen I get a pure white screen and
> no progress. Dunno if that's just my box though. It's pretty old. Seems
> like until more games get ported to Linux, this still could be a viable
> alternative to be able to play.
> --
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 6:32 PM, desert frag <desertfrag at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hardforum.com just started a thread on it here:
>> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1732341
>>
>> Haven't tried it yet, for now I'm content running a dedicated server
>> using CentOS 6.3 split between UT2004 and OpenArena.  Old skool, I know.
>> It's usually up between 9 pm and 7 am.
>>
>> Server name:  Grand Rapids MI
>> IP: 69.208.82.156
>>
>> Tonight it's OpenArena.
>>
>> OA server list: http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena
>>
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* John Wesorick <john at wesorick.com>
>> *To:* "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <
>> grlug at grlug.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 12:25 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [GRLUG] Steam for Linux
>>
>> The everything being 32-bit is kind of a fail and annoying, but at least
>> it's a start. You may also need the newest proprietary graphics card
>> drivers for your card. I know Valve worked hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to
>> really improve their Linux drivers. With NVidia, I think I heard that they
>> doubled the performance in the newest release (310), so that they are
>> actually *better* than their Windows counterpart now.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Topher <topher at codeventure.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/10/2012 11:13 AM, John Wesorick wrote:
>> > I know there are some Linux gamers out there who will be interested. I
>> > got my Steam for Linux beta invite on Friday, and actually got a couple
>> > hours to play with it Yesterday. Did anyone else get their's yet?
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > Overall I am very pleased with it so far. I'm happy to see Linux gain
>> > some ground as a gaming platform. Also, although they only officially
>> > support Ubuntu 12.04, I am running 12.10, and several people on the
>> > forums are getting it to work with various other distros, i.e. Fedora,
>> > Arch, etc.
>>
>> I tried it on Arch64.  It first failed because I needed the 32bit OpenGL
>> stuff.  That was an easy fix.  It now fails for a different reason, I
>> don't remember.  I tried playing the free game they're pushing with this
>> beta, and it started to load and then just bailed.
>>
>> I'll post more later.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>
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>
>
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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Dec 11 14:29:43 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:29:43 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Need DSL Router
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZHDRtpN9wi+v_cbZsp9XK7+y5BMuAkTJe7sFLnNntFUdg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

A friend of mine has ATT DSL and his speedstream router died.

Does anyone have an unused router to bring to the GRLUG Social tomorrow??

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 14:33:23 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:33:23 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Need DSL Router
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZHDRtpN9wi+v_cbZsp9XK7+y5BMuAkTJe7sFLnNntFUdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZHDRtpN9wi+v_cbZsp9XK7+y5BMuAkTJe7sFLnNntFUdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDQku2N6hW18S3HL2rA9_26J=ZgHP0myHP_hj8JGHh+eQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> A friend of mine has ATT DSL and his speedstream router died.
>
> Does anyone have an unused router to bring to the GRLUG Social tomorrow??

Maaaybe. If it didn't find its way to CompRenew during our move. And
if I can find it.

--
:wq

From knightperson at zuzax.com  Tue Dec 11 15:16:03 2012
From: knightperson at zuzax.com (=?utf-8?B?TWlrZSBXaWxsaWFtcw==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:16:03 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Need_DSL_Router?=
Message-ID: <20121211201605.52310A745E@quagmire.zuzax.com>

I'm about 90% sure i have one lying around, but it was used with TDS Metrocom rather than AT&T if that matters. I'll see if I can drop it off tomorrow

From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.

----- Reply message -----
From: "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com>
To: "Mailing List for LUG in greater Grand Rapids, MI area." <grlug at grlug.org>
Subject: [GRLUG] Need DSL Router
Date: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:33 pm


On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> A friend of mine has ATT DSL and his speedstream router died.
>
> Does anyone have an unused router to bring to the GRLUG Social tomorrow??

Maaaybe. If it didn't find its way to CompRenew during our move. And
if I can find it.

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From casey at grlug.org  Tue Dec 11 16:11:25 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:11:25 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRMobile Dev/GRLUG/GRMakers Wednesday December 12 @ The
	Warehouse
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZF+OiX0nwDq6AJh6ZYjUL3zf38T3ZcmMTEjq525tM+57Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Everyone,

Here's the info for TOMORROW @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison

6-8PM GRMobile Dev meeting (
http://www.meetup.com/Grand-Rapids-Mobile-Development-Group/)

8-Whenever GRLUG/GRMakers meeting (grlug.org
 / http://grlug.org/mailman/listinfo/grlug) GRMakers email list/google
Group @ https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/grmakers

EVERYONE is welcome so please tell your friends.



Here?s what we have been working on: Open Source Photo Booth V1 & V2,
RepRap 3D Printer, Large Wind Turbine electronic controls, Big Bad Vortex
Cannon, controlling X10 with Linux.



I'm hoping you will want to get involved and help with our projects but
also want to invite everyone to bring their projects.



A couple weeks ago one of our members used our ramps to do a simple oil
change and another member brought in something that needed welding.



Here's a short list of gear that is available:



Welders

Torch

Vehicle Ramps

ForkLift

Table Saw

Wood Planer

Compressor

Air tools

Hand tools

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From davidn.wise at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 09:47:25 2012
From: davidn.wise at gmail.com (David Wise)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:47:25 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
Message-ID: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>

I am having trouble getting access to my Raspberry Pi and I'm wondering if
some of you genuinely smart people can help me out. I have a Model B
(256MB) running Raspian that I downloaded and installed no more than a week
ago. I'm having a little trouble getting a VNC connection over LAN even,
but I'm not particularly concerned there yet. I am late to the game so I
just learned about PuTTY this past weekend and was seriously celebrating
when I found it.

I am able to use PuTTY to connect via SSH from my windows box over the LAN
so I know I am talking over the network. I have the windows box currently
running the No-IP updater and have a hostname at no-ip.org. I have used
this hostname before to VNC into other boxes and even RDP into my Windows7
machine, so I know it's working. I have port 22 forwarded to the Pi's LAN
ip in my router, but any time I try to use PuTTY from elsewhere to connect
I get "Network Error: Connection Timed Out".

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
--
Dave Wise
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From john at wesorick.com  Wed Dec 12 13:57:51 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:57:51 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>

Just a thought. Change the port on the router. Some routers will not route
port 22, as they use it themselves for remote configuration. Also, just
double-check that no-ip has the correct IP address.


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, David Wise <davidn.wise at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am having trouble getting access to my Raspberry Pi and I'm wondering if
> some of you genuinely smart people can help me out. I have a Model B
> (256MB) running Raspian that I downloaded and installed no more than a week
> ago. I'm having a little trouble getting a VNC connection over LAN even,
> but I'm not particularly concerned there yet. I am late to the game so I
> just learned about PuTTY this past weekend and was seriously celebrating
> when I found it.
>
> I am able to use PuTTY to connect via SSH from my windows box over the LAN
> so I know I am talking over the network. I have the windows box currently
> running the No-IP updater and have a hostname at no-ip.org. I have used
> this hostname before to VNC into other boxes and even RDP into my Windows7
> machine, so I know it's working. I have port 22 forwarded to the Pi's LAN
> ip in my router, but any time I try to use PuTTY from elsewhere to connect
> I get "Network Error: Connection Timed Out".
>
> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> --
> Dave Wise
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From davidn.wise at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 14:09:37 2012
From: davidn.wise at gmail.com (David Wise)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:09:37 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFqr0Kz-fW994MLrmDJAs_UN+Y9Vkni5_2zhfkjGgFPVa6LXcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I checked No-IP by RDP onto my main PC. It was up to date. I'll try
changing the port. Would I have to change just the WAN port, or the LAN
port too? If the LAN, then I'll need to look into how to change the RPi to
listen to the new one.
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From john at wesorick.com  Wed Dec 12 14:14:08 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:14:08 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CAFqr0Kz-fW994MLrmDJAs_UN+Y9Vkni5_2zhfkjGgFPVa6LXcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFqr0Kz-fW994MLrmDJAs_UN+Y9Vkni5_2zhfkjGgFPVa6LXcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+HoO_dAWxQKfScpO89m3uOp7==Ebyn_cRM+inBbwZycEg@mail.gmail.com>

Just forward the WAN port (i.e. 722) to port 22 on the LAN. Also, you do
have the proper gateway set up on your Pi, right? i.e. it has internet
access?


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM, David Wise <davidn.wise at gmail.com> wrote:

> I checked No-IP by RDP onto my main PC. It was up to date. I'll try
> changing the port. Would I have to change just the WAN port, or the LAN
> port too? If the LAN, then I'll need to look into how to change the RPi to
> listen to the new one.
> _______________________________________________
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Wed Dec 12 14:28:34 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:28:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212121325420.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012, John Wesorick wrote:

> Just a thought. Change the port on the router. Some routers will not route
> port 22, as they use it themselves for remote configuration. Also, just
> double-check that no-ip has the correct IP address.
>
Do you have access to a Linux box? The best way to figure it out what is
open on the router is to run nmap against the public IP - that will tell
you what ports are open the router for sure.

You can also telnet to that IP & port number, and you will see a response
something like:

telnet <host> <port>
Trying <ip>...
Connected to <host>.
Escape character is '^]'.
SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.6

This indicates the port is open, and there is an ssh server responding.

If you don't have access to a linux box, sent the hostname to me directly
and I'd be happy to run nmap against it.

	Lee

From davidn.wise at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 16:11:14 2012
From: davidn.wise at gmail.com (David Wise)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:11:14 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212121325420.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212121325420.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAFqr0KyU9=h7T9WiMrZEK=mfyL7tffL7Bc69ZGcdPwTzdfreiw@mail.gmail.com>

I've definitely got internet access from it. I was using Midori to google
solutions to my VNC issues yesterday and I just now used it to ping google
successfully. I also am currently able to verify my no-ip hostname is
working correctly because I just used it to connect to my old resurrected
G5 plugged in right next to the Pi.

I tried changing the WAN port to several other options (including 722) to
no avail. I don't have a real solid access to a linux box right now since
it is in process of being packed up and moved. I'll have to check to see if
I have an Ubuntu VM still set up.
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From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 17:19:17 2012
From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:19:17 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SSH to Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <CAFqr0KyU9=h7T9WiMrZEK=mfyL7tffL7Bc69ZGcdPwTzdfreiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFqr0Kx9zHK1wBQMEuFHZGY4KS9zKOcS8mRs6Up8OV4W-JgzuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACrkP+Fy97NoDK3cgPNm6XkHxr2S3VVaLOnTBr614+zHFxbDDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212121325420.9037@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAFqr0KyU9=h7T9WiMrZEK=mfyL7tffL7Bc69ZGcdPwTzdfreiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C902E5.1000209@gmail.com>

A couple thoughts.

Not that I know much about Windows, but it does allow outgoing port 22 
connections, doesn't it?  You didn't mention what version you had that I 
saw.  I keep hearing about firewall issues in Windows itself.

Is sshd running on the Pi?  Can you ssh into it from anywhere else?

Sorry if you've checked these already.



On 12/12/12 4:11 PM, David Wise wrote:
> I've definitely got internet access from it. I was using Midori to 
> google solutions to my VNC issues yesterday and I just now used it to 
> ping google successfully. I also am currently able to verify my no-ip 
> hostname is working correctly because I just used it to connect to my 
> old resurrected G5 plugged in right next to the Pi.
>
> I tried changing the WAN port to several other options (including 722) 
> to no avail. I don't have a real solid access to a linux box right now 
> since it is in process of being packed up and moved. I'll have to 
> check to see if I have an Ubuntu VM still set up.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

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From rpusztai at gmail.com  Thu Dec 13 10:55:01 2012
From: rpusztai at gmail.com (Ryan Pusztai)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:55:01 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] XBMC Pandora Plugin
Message-ID: <CAKZE2hfQCseopEgZ7J+N3J00xhyAOkdwBw+NOU5_kvNA+oK62A@mail.gmail.com>

First,

Thanks Casey and everyone I had a blast last night at the meeting.

Second,

I was talking to some people about how Casey was playing Pandora music and
they told me someone had a Pandora plug-in for XBMC. How can I get that
plugin? It looked sweet!
--
Regards,
Ryan
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From john at wesorick.com  Thu Dec 13 11:18:31 2012
From: john at wesorick.com (John Wesorick)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:18:31 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] XBMC Pandora Plugin
In-Reply-To: <CAKZE2hfQCseopEgZ7J+N3J00xhyAOkdwBw+NOU5_kvNA+oK62A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKZE2hfQCseopEgZ7J+N3J00xhyAOkdwBw+NOU5_kvNA+oK62A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACrkP+Ep3+ER4S+3ATFNSBrHiS2-K2SzfabyZ2JFt8+ecpmXSw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think it's in repos. http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=70471


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Ryan Pusztai <rpusztai at gmail.com> wrote:

> First,
>
> Thanks Casey and everyone I had a blast last night at the meeting.
>
> Second,
>
> I was talking to some people about how Casey was playing Pandora music and
> they told me someone had a Pandora plug-in for XBMC. How can I get that
> plugin? It looked sweet!
> --
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 12:57:55 2012
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:57:55 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Web tech survey's
Message-ID: <CAFOq4EJJo_swov+OxkypZBKwq5W765b4k8X+uN+fhWnA9js_TQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://w3techs.com/

See whether some of your
Linux activities are  "in".

  -- Bob
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 16 21:09:08 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:09:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] lost+found
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>

It looks like a large array we have has a number of lost inodes (ext4), as
lost+found has gotten pretty big.

Normally oI would just delete it and relase those inodes back to the free
pool, but with "rm -rf", it complains directory not empty.

What would be the correct way to clear lost+found? The partition is way
too large to do an fsck, and it would be really nice to not have to
unmount, if possible.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From mrj at plorb.com  Sun Dec 16 21:57:15 2012
From: mrj at plorb.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:57:15 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] lost+found
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <20121217025715.GA23846@blorp.plorb.com>

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 08:09:08PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> It looks like a large array we have has a number of lost inodes (ext4), as
> lost+found has gotten pretty big.
> 
> Normally oI would just delete it and relase those inodes back to the free
> pool, but with "rm -rf", it complains directory not empty.
> 
> What would be the correct way to clear lost+found? The partition is way
> too large to do an fsck, and it would be really nice to not have to
> unmount, if possible.

The fact that you have anything in lost+found means someone or something 
already ran fsck and repaired a damaged filesystem or forced it on a 
mounted filesystem.  Lost inodes should never happen on a journaling 
filesystem such as ext3/ext4 unless the kernel has bugs or the hardware 
is bad.

Clearing lost+found should be as easy as deleting everything in it.  The 
error from rm -rf probably means some file has extra protection enabled, 
such as the immutable flag.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <mrj at plorb.com>

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Dec 16 23:07:15 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:07:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] lost+found
In-Reply-To: <20121217025715.GA23846@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <20121217025715.GA23846@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162203170.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012, Jeff DeFouw wrote:

> The fact that you have anything in lost+found means someone or something
> already ran fsck and repaired a damaged filesystem or forced it on a
> mounted filesystem.  Lost inodes should never happen on a journaling
> filesystem such as ext3/ext4 unless the kernel has bugs or the hardware
> is bad.
>

I have never actually any files in any lost+found directory since ext2
- there is nothing actually *in* lost+found, rather the size of the
directory is the indication of a problem.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Mon Dec 17 05:32:16 2012
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:32:16 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] lost+found
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212162008100.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <1355740336.3471.3.camel@workstation.wmmi.net>

On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 20:09 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> It looks like a large array we have has a number of lost inodes (ext4), as
> lost+found has gotten pretty big.

Have you seen any inode related messages in the log file?  [you should
configure your NMS to generate events on any such messages, if you
haven't already].

> Normally oI would just delete it and relase those inodes back to the free
> pool, but with "rm -rf", it complains directory not empty.

Is this commonplace?  Files in lost+found should be very rare.

Can you identify any of the files?  Are they sockets or 'files'?  If you
use "file" does it identify the content of any of the files?

If you have a growing lost+found then something is *wrong*.  Very likely
you have data somewhere that is now the bad kind of two buck chuck.

> What would be the correct way to clear lost+found? The partition is way
> too large to do an fsck, and it would be really nice to not have to
> unmount, if possible.

I'd consider performing an fsck to be absolutely mandatory.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org>


From uhawl1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:01:35 2012
From: uhawl1 at gmail.com (Joshua Yuhas)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:01:35 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
Message-ID: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS social for
this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past Saturday.  We
are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with Casey.  If you
have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or myself. Thank you
all!

- Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
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From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:24:07 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:24:07 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
In-Reply-To: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB1MsNZc25+nN7Qk1rZSGfFb+OVG95o5GzKqAjVgiVoSHA@mail.gmail.com>

With Casey on the injured reserve, let's pick an alternate location for the
GRLUG Social tomorrow from 8-10PM. Typically we have met at Tim Horton's in
Wyoming (28th and Burlingame), but I'm open to suggestions if you can think
of someplace better. Before you make a suggestion, please make sure the
location is open until 10PM and can seat 10-15 people in a group.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS social
> for this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past Saturday.
> We are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with Casey.  If you
> have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or myself. Thank you
> all!
>
> - Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/
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From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:41:51 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:41:51 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB1MsNZc25+nN7Qk1rZSGfFb+OVG95o5GzKqAjVgiVoSHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>
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That looks good to me,

another option is schmohz, they have beer, open till 12, can seat us all.
 They are on the other side of town thou at 28th and patterson

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> With Casey on the injured reserve, let's pick an alternate location for
> the GRLUG Social tomorrow from 8-10PM. Typically we have met at Tim
> Horton's in Wyoming (28th and Burlingame), but I'm open to suggestions if
> you can think of someplace better. Before you make a suggestion, please
> make sure the location is open until 10PM and can seat 10-15 people in a
> group.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS social
>> for this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past Saturday.
>> We are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with Casey.  If you
>> have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or myself. Thank you
>> all!
>>
>> - Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:44:51 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:44:51 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
In-Reply-To: <CADi8XRtQq7eT0mFVJXePJ0hzKkYHiMhzsc49HJcYFTQTRoz41g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1MsNZc25+nN7Qk1rZSGfFb+OVG95o5GzKqAjVgiVoSHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADi8XRtQq7eT0mFVJXePJ0hzKkYHiMhzsc49HJcYFTQTRoz41g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB3jcx1NNYOiX+chA5kO+FwW4BanKtZv9e+Ya7gpASDqtA@mail.gmail.com>

Darn, I forgot about Shmohz. They worked really well after one of the WMLUG
meetings. So the question is: beer or ice cream?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> That looks good to me,
>
> another option is schmohz, they have beer, open till 12, can seat us all.
>  They are on the other side of town thou at 28th and patterson
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With Casey on the injured reserve, let's pick an alternate location for
>> the GRLUG Social tomorrow from 8-10PM. Typically we have met at Tim
>> Horton's in Wyoming (28th and Burlingame), but I'm open to suggestions if
>> you can think of someplace better. Before you make a suggestion, please
>> make sure the location is open until 10PM and can seat 10-15 people in a
>> group.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS
>>> social for this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past
>>> Saturday.  We are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with
>>> Casey.  If you have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or
>>> myself. Thank you all!
>>>
>>> - Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/
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From leapole at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:47:42 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:47:42 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB3jcx1NNYOiX+chA5kO+FwW4BanKtZv9e+Ya7gpASDqtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALC3+Tnt7SPQ8HxRN8LNf6E-UWxGDf2cxFH3fOhKqp-QG6kn1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOPHfB1MsNZc25+nN7Qk1rZSGfFb+OVG95o5GzKqAjVgiVoSHA@mail.gmail.com>
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root beer floats, black cherry floats and yea stout beer floats also at
schmohz

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Darn, I forgot about Shmohz. They worked really well after one of the
> WMLUG meetings. So the question is: beer or ice cream?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That looks good to me,
>>
>> another option is schmohz, they have beer, open till 12, can seat us all.
>>  They are on the other side of town thou at 28th and patterson
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With Casey on the injured reserve, let's pick an alternate location for
>>> the GRLUG Social tomorrow from 8-10PM. Typically we have met at Tim
>>> Horton's in Wyoming (28th and Burlingame), but I'm open to suggestions if
>>> you can think of someplace better. Before you make a suggestion, please
>>> make sure the location is open until 10PM and can seat 10-15 people in a
>>> group.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS
>>>> social for this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past
>>>> Saturday.  We are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with
>>>> Casey.  If you have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or
>>>> myself. Thank you all!
>>>>
>>>> - Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Ben Rousch
>>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From brousch at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 11:05:01 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:05:01 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Wednesday meeting cancellation...
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 <CADi8XRtQq7eT0mFVJXePJ0hzKkYHiMhzsc49HJcYFTQTRoz41g@mail.gmail.com>
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OK, Shmohz is the place for tonight's GRLUG Social. They have plenty of
tables we can re-arrange if needed, free wifi, and an assortment of beers.
We can also bring our own food (they don't serve any), so bring some
munchies to share. I hope to see you all there!

What: GRLUG Social
When: Tonight (12/19/2012) 8PM - 10PM (or whenever you want to leave)
Where: Shmohz Brewing, 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:

> root beer floats, black cherry floats and yea stout beer floats also at
> schmohz
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Darn, I forgot about Shmohz. They worked really well after one of the
>> WMLUG meetings. So the question is: beer or ice cream?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Josh <leapole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That looks good to me,
>>>
>>> another option is schmohz, they have beer, open till 12, can seat us
>>> all.  They are on the other side of town thou at 28th and patterson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With Casey on the injured reserve, let's pick an alternate location for
>>>> the GRLUG Social tomorrow from 8-10PM. Typically we have met at Tim
>>>> Horton's in Wyoming (28th and Burlingame), but I'm open to suggestions if
>>>> you can think of someplace better. Before you make a suggestion, please
>>>> make sure the location is open until 10PM and can seat 10-15 people in a
>>>> group.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Yuhas <uhawl1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Unfortunately, we are going to have to cancel the GRLUG/GRMAKERS
>>>>> social for this Wednesday due to our host injuring his back this past
>>>>> Saturday.  We are hoping to resume after Christmas if all is well with
>>>>> Casey.  If you have any questions, feel free to mail/text/call Casey or
>>>>> myself. Thank you all!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Josh, a.k.a "Oh My Josh". a.k.a. "Minion"
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  Ben Rousch
>>>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> grlug mailing list
>>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grlug mailing list
>>> grlug at grlug.org
>>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/
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From brousch at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 14:04:05 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:04:05 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Fwd: Call for Speakers -- Grand Rapids DevDay March 2, 2013
In-Reply-To: <394c109a-11a9-4ea6-82bc-6cc856efb66a@googlegroups.com>
References: <394c109a-11a9-4ea6-82bc-6cc856efb66a@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB22N9i2L7cXKCsQr_n_AjoSnP09FtU5o8RtKrukmgXPPA@mail.gmail.com>

GRDevDay is a great local development conference. It used to focus on
DotNET, but starting last year they have opened up to any language. Last
year there were talks from local developers on Python (me), PhoneGap,
Javascript, and much more. I encourage you all to submit a talk proposal
and attend this year (2 March 2013).

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:46 PM, J. Tower <jonathantower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaker applications are now open for GR DevDay 2013.  The deadline to
> apply is *Sunday, January 13*.  Sessions will be selected and speakers
> notified by *Monday, January 21*.  Thanks for supporting GR DevDay!
>
> Submit your abstracts to *http://grdevday.org/Speakers.aspx*<http://grdevday.org/Speakers.aspx>
>
> We will also have a special brewery tour in downtown Grand Rapids for
> speakers as a thank you after the event.
>
> --
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 11:42:53 2012
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:42:53 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
Message-ID: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm helping a friend out with their website (boardgame and comic book
convention) and am starting to research VPS's.  Right now I have the
website, which is written in drupal, on my Dreamhost shared hosting plan.
 The speed of the site does leave something to be desired, the developer
managed to tweak it a bit and speed things up but if they are correct
things are going to heat up and I don't know if this site could stay on the
shared plan.

What VPS's are out there that are a reasonable price.  Next year is the
first year of the convention so right now money is tight.  The Dreamhost
VPS looks good, compared to host gator and Slicehost.

I also looked up Amazon Web Services.  There seems to be a free option that
looks pretty good. http://aws.amazon.com/free/  Is AWS
somewhat equivalent to a vps?  Is this something I should research more?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Share and Enjoy
Ben
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 11:55:24 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCJc99hCEdk_gWLyeS9mqUoSK_47UsGw+D37x=F4jYiUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm helping a friend out with their website (boardgame and comic book
> convention) and am starting to research VPS's.  Right now I have the
> website, which is written in drupal, on my Dreamhost shared hosting plan.
> The speed of the site does leave something to be desired, the developer
> managed to tweak it a bit and speed things up but if they are correct things
> are going to heat up and I don't know if this site could stay on the shared
> plan.
>
> What VPS's are out there that are a reasonable price.  Next year is the
> first year of the convention so right now money is tight.  The Dreamhost VPS
> looks good, compared to host gator and Slicehost.
>
> I also looked up Amazon Web Services.  There seems to be a free option that
> looks pretty good. http://aws.amazon.com/free/  Is AWS somewhat equivalent
> to a vps?  Is this something I should research more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.

EC2 is not for the faint of heart.

Personally, I use prgmr.com. It's very cheap, and my uptime is very
good. There are absolutely no frills, though; you get a server whose
console you access only via ssh, and you get billing invoices via
email that you can pay via paypal or check.

--
:wq

From megadave at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 12:02:47 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:02:47 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP7ketACx7cLeOJ+7BsTYNXf_h-p-7nBXgzBJJN7Zds9p7Ofg@mail.gmail.com>

If you want something that offers a fixed Internet bitrate for a fixed
monthly charge, rather than
charging you per month for "transfer", serveraxis.com offers plans
like that. They have the "transfer" type plans too.


On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm helping a friend out with their website (boardgame and comic book
> convention) and am starting to research VPS's.  Right now I have the
> website, which is written in drupal, on my Dreamhost shared hosting plan.
> The speed of the site does leave something to be desired, the developer
> managed to tweak it a bit and speed things up but if they are correct things
> are going to heat up and I don't know if this site could stay on the shared
> plan.
>
> What VPS's are out there that are a reasonable price.  Next year is the
> first year of the convention so right now money is tight.  The Dreamhost VPS
> looks good, compared to host gator and Slicehost.
>
> I also looked up Amazon Web Services.  There seems to be a free option that
> looks pretty good. http://aws.amazon.com/free/  Is AWS somewhat equivalent
> to a vps?  Is this something I should research more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From matthew at threadlight.com  Mon Dec 24 12:05:02 2012
From: matthew at threadlight.com (Matthew Seeley)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:05:02 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7ketACx7cLeOJ+7BsTYNXf_h-p-7nBXgzBJJN7Zds9p7Ofg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7ketACx7cLeOJ+7BsTYNXf_h-p-7nBXgzBJJN7Zds9p7Ofg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6BD61B6DA4C4EFEA8A87EAFBF853A7A@threadlight.com>

I really like http://linode.com/

Super efficient, super reliable. I've have had zero problems with them. 

--
Matthew Seeley
Threadlight Systems
PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501
(616) 328 - 5649


On Monday, December 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM, megadave wrote:

> If you want something that offers a fixed Internet bitrate for a fixed
> monthly charge, rather than
> charging you per month for "transfer", serveraxis.com (http://serveraxis.com) offers plans
> like that. They have the "transfer" type plans too.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com (mailto:flanderb at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > I'm helping a friend out with their website (boardgame and comic book
> > convention) and am starting to research VPS's. Right now I have the
> > website, which is written in drupal, on my Dreamhost shared hosting plan.
> > The speed of the site does leave something to be desired, the developer
> > managed to tweak it a bit and speed things up but if they are correct things
> > are going to heat up and I don't know if this site could stay on the shared
> > plan.
> > 
> > What VPS's are out there that are a reasonable price. Next year is the
> > first year of the convention so right now money is tight. The Dreamhost VPS
> > looks good, compared to host gator and Slicehost.
> > 
> > I also looked up Amazon Web Services. There seems to be a free option that
> > looks pretty good. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ Is AWS somewhat equivalent
> > to a vps? Is this something I should research more?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> > 
> > Share and Enjoy
> > Ben
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > grlug mailing list
> > grlug at grlug.org (mailto:grlug at grlug.org)
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org (mailto:grlug at grlug.org)
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 


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From mikemol at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 12:11:50 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:11:50 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
In-Reply-To: <D6BD61B6DA4C4EFEA8A87EAFBF853A7A@threadlight.com>
References: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFP7ketACx7cLeOJ+7BsTYNXf_h-p-7nBXgzBJJN7Zds9p7Ofg@mail.gmail.com>
 <D6BD61B6DA4C4EFEA8A87EAFBF853A7A@threadlight.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiCzury8ACvsobP_iqb3nv=Mz-fGSq6X192GUt4irvJLJg@mail.gmail.com>

This is true. Linode is a good service provider.

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Matthew Seeley
<matthew at threadlight.com> wrote:
> I really like http://linode.com/
>
> Super efficient, super reliable. I've have had zero problems with them.
>
> --
> Matthew Seeley
> Threadlight Systems
> PO Box 2909 Grand Rapids, MI. 49501
> (616) 328 - 5649
>
> On Monday, December 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM, megadave wrote:
>
> If you want something that offers a fixed Internet bitrate for a fixed
> monthly charge, rather than
> charging you per month for "transfer", serveraxis.com offers plans
> like that. They have the "transfer" type plans too.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm helping a friend out with their website (boardgame and comic book
> convention) and am starting to research VPS's. Right now I have the
> website, which is written in drupal, on my Dreamhost shared hosting plan.
> The speed of the site does leave something to be desired, the developer
> managed to tweak it a bit and speed things up but if they are correct things
> are going to heat up and I don't know if this site could stay on the shared
> plan.
>
> What VPS's are out there that are a reasonable price. Next year is the
> first year of the convention so right now money is tight. The Dreamhost VPS
> looks good, compared to host gator and Slicehost.
>
> I also looked up Amazon Web Services. There seems to be a free option that
> looks pretty good. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ Is AWS somewhat equivalent
> to a vps? Is this something I should research more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
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>
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From ajhekman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 08:52:18 2012
From: ajhekman at gmail.com (AJ Hekman)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:52:18 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Shared to VPS questions
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiCJc99hCEdk_gWLyeS9mqUoSK_47UsGw+D37x=F4jYiUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdZESp0eF6ocXCVK_Qrca6XSTEEOUSwzZPaiRtnMgBqeCn4DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+czFiCJc99hCEdk_gWLyeS9mqUoSK_47UsGw+D37x=F4jYiUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50D9AF92.8020402@gmail.com>


On 12/24/12 11:55 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> EC2 is not for the faint of heart. Personally, I use prgmr.com. It's
> very cheap, and my uptime is very good. There are absolutely no
> frills, though; you get a server whose console you access only via
> ssh, and you get billing invoices via email that you can pay via
> paypal or check. 
Could you expand on this? I haven't found EC2 to be any more difficult
to work with. Is there a gotcha I'm missing?

Ben,
The free tier of AWS gives you a micro EC2 instance suitable for bursts
of activity. It may not perform to your expectations if your load is
constant. If you don't need the other parts of the AWS family, going
with linode may be a good place to start out. You could also offload
your static resources to AWS S3/Cloudfront while keeping your dynamic
resources on linode. You can CNAME your S3 to make it look more polished
to anyone who might see it's address.

From edwardo.fuentes at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 11:07:25 2012
From: edwardo.fuentes at gmail.com (Edwardo Fuentes)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:07:25 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Android App with Raspbian
Message-ID: <CAMHcAro2=q5=B6hdc1D2t9SDVS=+sjAmt_iOJqgdveigmRo54A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All, Hope the holiday time is treating you well.

I would like to use my nexus 7 as a Bluetooth Keyboard and possible mouse
on Raspbian.
I have a Bluetooth Dongle not sure if anyone has seen this combination work?
Looking to utilize what i have @ home and not buy a mini keyboard and mouse
combo.


Thanks for your time.

Edwardo
616.834.3023
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From brousch at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 14:46:18 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:46:18 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social and GRMakers Tonight
Message-ID: <CAOPHfB0k50Knvyhvnjz4RG0STTU24ySbg-JS8mbGhuDzTQwFmw@mail.gmail.com>

Casey is still hurting, and unfortunately I will not be able to make
it tonight due to one of my infrequent bowling obligations. Very few
people (5) attended last week's meeting at Shmohz, but I think the
location worked well. There was plenty of seating, good music (not too
loud), and a lot of good beer. So if you're free tonight, head over
there to hang out with your fellow geeks and show off your new
gadgets.

What: GRLUG social and GRMakers Meeting
Where:  Shmohz Brewing, 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546
When: 8PM - 10PM (or whenever you feel like leaving)

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 18:59:04 2012
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:59:04 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social and GRMakers Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAOPHfB0k50Knvyhvnjz4RG0STTU24ySbg-JS8mbGhuDzTQwFmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOPHfB0k50Knvyhvnjz4RG0STTU24ySbg-JS8mbGhuDzTQwFmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+czFiBN_5Y_rJyS8hem+cuTTiQAsfoF8QbjWw8zfdFOdozCvQ@mail.gmail.com>

With the roads what they are, I *strongly* recommend to everyone that
they stay home tonight.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> Casey is still hurting, and unfortunately I will not be able to make
> it tonight due to one of my infrequent bowling obligations. Very few
> people (5) attended last week's meeting at Shmohz, but I think the
> location worked well. There was plenty of seating, good music (not too
> loud), and a lot of good beer. So if you're free tonight, head over
> there to hang out with your fellow geeks and show off your new
> gadgets.
>
> What: GRLUG social and GRMakers Meeting
> Where:  Shmohz Brewing, 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546
> When: 8PM - 10PM (or whenever you feel like leaving)
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>
> --
>
>



-- 
:wq

From scott.tanner at comcast.net  Wed Dec 26 21:29:22 2012
From: scott.tanner at comcast.net (scott.tanner at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:29:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social and GRMakers Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiBN_5Y_rJyS8hem+cuTTiQAsfoF8QbjWw8zfdFOdozCvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1721052969.1653248.1356575362514.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'll second that - after having an unexpected meeting with a curb tonight. Anyone need 3 good rims? 




Scott 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com> 
To: "Ben Rousch" <brousch at gmail.com> 
Cc: "GR Makers" <grmakers at googlegroups.com>, "Grand Rapids Linux Users Group" <grlug at grlug.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:59:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] GRLUG Social and GRMakers Tonight 

With the roads what they are, I *strongly* recommend to everyone that 
they stay home tonight. 

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Casey is still hurting, and unfortunately I will not be able to make 
> it tonight due to one of my infrequent bowling obligations. Very few 
> people (5) attended last week's meeting at Shmohz, but I think the 
> location worked well. There was plenty of seating, good music (not too 
> loud), and a lot of good beer. So if you're free tonight, head over 
> there to hang out with your fellow geeks and show off your new 
> gadgets. 
> 
> What: GRLUG social and GRMakers Meeting 
> Where: Shmohz Brewing, 2600 Patterson Ave SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 
> When: 8PM - 10PM (or whenever you feel like leaving) 
> 
> -- 
> Ben Rousch 
> brousch at gmail.com 
> http://clusterbleep.net/ 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 



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From casey at grlug.org  Fri Dec 28 12:29:24 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:29:24 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday January 2
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZESEtFVw13Etf6uq20E22PcF7QqLohf1LMUBxG+67PmLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all of my GRLUG and GRMakers friends,

I am sorry about not being able to host for the past 2 weeks and want to
remind everyone about our next meeting on Wednesday January 2nd @ The
Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM till Whenever.

See you then.

Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From casey at grlug.org  Fri Dec 28 14:38:58 2012
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:38:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday January 2
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZESEtFVw13Etf6uq20E22PcF7QqLohf1LMUBxG+67PmLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZESEtFVw13Etf6uq20E22PcF7QqLohf1LMUBxG+67PmLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4FDZHU+nrETdG93QKscfnJ+jbn7YUoEbLSK5juLCiMdCYNSw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got my motors to build a RepRap... Also purchased an extra set incase
anybody else wanted to build one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8318353939/in/photostream/

Getting my back into place by hanging around:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8319409426/in/photostream/



On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> Hello all of my GRLUG and GRMakers friends,
>
> I am sorry about not being able to host for the past 2 weeks and want to
> remind everyone about our next meeting on Wednesday January 2nd @ The
> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM till Whenever.
>
> See you then.
>
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>



-- 
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616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 16:02:40 2012
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:02:40 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday January 2
In-Reply-To: <CAH4FDZHU+nrETdG93QKscfnJ+jbn7YUoEbLSK5juLCiMdCYNSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZESEtFVw13Etf6uq20E22PcF7QqLohf1LMUBxG+67PmLA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4FDZHU+nrETdG93QKscfnJ+jbn7YUoEbLSK5juLCiMdCYNSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuMJGELeL1azNGhVBcGKk+A8rFyEFVx_2Yae5pMwH5ENPf4fA@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is going from Kentwood, I'd like to tag along if possible.


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> I've got my motors to build a RepRap... Also purchased an extra set incase
> anybody else wanted to build one.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8318353939/in/photostream/
>
> Getting my back into place by hanging around:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8319409426/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all of my GRLUG and GRMakers friends,
>>
>> I am sorry about not being able to host for the past 2 weeks and want to
>> remind everyone about our next meeting on Wednesday January 2nd @ The
>> Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM till Whenever.
>>
>> See you then.
>>
>> Casey DuBois
>> 616-808-6942
>> casey at grlug.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Casey DuBois
> 616-808-6942
> casey at grlug.org
>
> --
>
>
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Fri Dec 28 18:38:23 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:38:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>

Trying to build a 'clone' server that our guys can use to manage disks for
embedded machines, .. I had *thought* that partitionmanager would provide
that level of functionality, but it does not.3D

Is there any tool out there to backup/restore a *partition* from the GUI?
If that were possible, I can do a few quick scripts to backup/restore the
MBR via dd.

	Thanks!

	Lee

From f32cpe at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 28 18:59:37 2012
From: f32cpe at hotmail.com (mike langeweg)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:59:37 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday January 2
In-Reply-To: <CAAuMJGELeL1azNGhVBcGKk+A8rFyEFVx_2Yae5pMwH5ENPf4fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4FDZESEtFVw13Etf6uq20E22PcF7QqLohf1LMUBxG+67PmLA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAH4FDZHU+nrETdG93QKscfnJ+jbn7YUoEbLSK5juLCiMdCYNSw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAAuMJGELeL1azNGhVBcGKk+A8rFyEFVx_2Yae5pMwH5ENPf4fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU171-W6683C449598AA87AFB4076DE3F0@phx.gbl>



I plan on going, I will have to wait till the last minute though. I am coming from 76th and Eastern.
Mike.616-560-1126
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:02:40 -0500
From: slestak989 at gmail.com
To: casey at grlug.org
CC: grmakers at googlegroups.com; grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GRMakers Social Wednesday January 2

If anyone is going from Kentwood, I'd like to tag along if possible.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

I've got my motors to build a RepRap... Also purchased an extra set incase anybody else wanted to build one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8318353939/in/photostream/



Getting my back into place by hanging around: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseydubois/8319409426/in/photostream/





On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:


Hello all of my GRLUG and GRMakers friends,
I am sorry about not being able to host for the past 2 weeks and want to remind everyone about our next meeting on Wednesday January 2nd @ The Warehouse, 112 Baldwin St., Jenison from 8PM till Whenever.



See you then. Casey DuBois
616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org



-- 
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616-808-6942
casey at grlug.org



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From megadave at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 00:14:00 2012
From: megadave at gmail.com (megadave)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:14:00 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CAFP7kesv=XWjB5aB2YLF-DxnD-_7K_LwXeRca6gkh91Ow4ReoA@mail.gmail.com>

Does it HAVE to be a gui?

dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc

(substituting the correct specific drive devices for your situation, of course)

You could even run this as a non-root user, give user write permission
to the specific /dev/sdX that the target drives will be on, but NOT
for the system/OS drive...

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> Trying to build a 'clone' server that our guys can use to manage disks for
> embedded machines, .. I had *thought* that partitionmanager would provide
> that level of functionality, but it does not.3D
>
> Is there any tool out there to backup/restore a *partition* from the GUI?
> If that were possible, I can do a few quick scripts to backup/restore the
> MBR via dd.
>
>         Thanks!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 08:01:01 2012
From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:01:01 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <50DEE98D.1020700@gmail.com>

Are you trying to backup/restore the partition itself or the partition 
table?  You could clone the whole disk with dd, or you could 
backup/restore the partition table with fdisk.  If it is a mountable 
file system, just restore files with tar or zip.

Or maybe I'm not understanding the question, which since I haven't had 
much coffee yet, is entirely possible.


On 12/28/12 6:38 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Trying to build a 'clone' server that our guys can use to manage disks for
> embedded machines, .. I had *thought* that partitionmanager would provide
> that level of functionality, but it does not.3D
>
> Is there any tool out there to backup/restore a *partition* from the GUI?
> If that were possible, I can do a few quick scripts to backup/restore the
> MBR via dd.
>
> 	Thanks!
>
> 	Lee
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 08:47:07 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:47:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
In-Reply-To: <CAFP7kesv=XWjB5aB2YLF-DxnD-_7K_LwXeRca6gkh91Ow4ReoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CAFP7kesv=XWjB5aB2YLF-DxnD-_7K_LwXeRca6gkh91Ow4ReoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212290745420.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, megadave wrote:

> Does it HAVE to be a gui?
>
Preferred - that way I can do a procedure for the guys to use.

> dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc
>
That is a *copy*, not a *backup*; a backup copies/compresses to a file.

partimage does pretty much what we need, but there is no way to make it
run at a 'windoze admin' level.

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 08:54:27 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:54:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
In-Reply-To: <50DEE98D.1020700@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <50DEE98D.1020700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212290750040.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Steven Scherbinski wrote:

> Are you trying to backup/restore the partition itself or the partition
> table?  You could clone the whole disk with dd, or you could
> backup/restore the partition table with fdisk.  If it is a mountable
> file system, just restore files with tar or zip.
>
A partition and MBR, actually; the entire idea is to provide a 'procedure'
that our guys can use to copy or restore a disk for an embedded system.

The main problem is that Clonezilla is pretty locked into simple
operations; partimage pretty much does what we need, but it has requires a
stand-alone boot.

What we need is to something in XFCE, where there is a nice file manager
to see the backups for a given project.

> Or maybe I'm not understanding the question, which since I haven't had
> much coffee yet, is entirely possible.
>
Make sense? I tried frmanage (<?>from Google Code), which SEEMED promising
until I found out it does not work (it kept thinking the destination file
was a block device, sheesh).

	Lee

From steve.scherbinski at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 10:09:13 2012
From: steve.scherbinski at gmail.com (Steven Scherbinski)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:09:13 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212290750040.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212281735050.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <50DEE98D.1020700@gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1212290750040.14949@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <50DF0799.3010501@gmail.com>

It does, but I'm afraid I'm not much of a Windows person.  I did a quick 
look for frmanage, but couldn't find it.

I assume you've tried ping?  http://ping.windowsdream.com/  and looked 
at the wikipedia page for disk cloning software?   Not that it looks 
that helpful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disk_cloning_software




On 12/29/12 8:54 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Make sense? I tried frmanage (<?>from Google Code), which SEEMED promising
> until I found out it does not work (it kept thinking the destination file
> was a block device, sheesh).
>
> 	Lee


From patrick at upmerchants.com  Sat Dec 29 10:12:13 2012
From: patrick at upmerchants.com (Patrick Goupell)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:12:13 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On 12/29/2012 08:47 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, megadave wrote:
>
>> Does it HAVE to be a gui?
>>
> Preferred - that way I can do a procedure for the guys to use.
>
>> dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc
>>
> That is a *copy*, not a *backup*; a backup copies/compresses to a file.
>
> partimage does pretty much what we need, but there is no way to make it
> run at a 'windoze admin' level.
>
> 	Lee
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>
Have you looked at clonezilla?  It has a graphical frontend.

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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 10:24:55 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:24:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Steven Scherbinski wrote:

> It does, but I'm afraid I'm not much of a Windows person.  I did a quick
> look for frmanage, but couldn't find it.
>
It did not work, so I mentally 'discarded' it after removing & cleaning.

Came from a Google Code project is what I remember, I even looked at the
code for the error - it was buried well after the open test so I discarded
it.

> I assume you've tried ping?  http://ping.windowsdream.com/  and looked
> at the wikipedia page for disk cloning software?   Not that it looks
> that helpful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disk_cloning_software
>
The request was for something that would run under a GUI (IOW booted OS,
X windows, so the Windoze level admins can have their GUI); .. sysrescue
does most of what we need, but it is standalone and not 'Winadmin
friendly'.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 10:26:17 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:26:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Patrick Goupell wrote:

> Have you looked at clonezilla?  It has a graphical frontend.
>
Of course, .. but it is only suited for direct disk-to-disk copies; have
NEVER been able to get disk-to-image to work except for the simplest
usage.

partimage is MUCH more flexible than Clonezilla, ..

	Lee

From brousch at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 10:53:55 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:53:55 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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Partimage has an extensive command line functionality. Why not create
a simple GUI that does just what you need to call partimage on the
command line?

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:26 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Patrick Goupell wrote:
>
>> Have you looked at clonezilla?  It has a graphical frontend.
>>
> Of course, .. but it is only suited for direct disk-to-disk copies; have
> NEVER been able to get disk-to-image to work except for the simplest
> usage.
>
> partimage is MUCH more flexible than Clonezilla, ..
>
>         Lee
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From leapole at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 12:39:58 2012
From: leapole at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:39:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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Here is the dd command with compression

dd bs=4m if=/dev/sda | gzip -9 > /backups/disk.gz

at that point you can make a script or have a gui that does what is needed



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

Partimage has an extensive command line functionality. Why not create
> a simple GUI that does just what you need to call partimage on the
> command line?
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:26 AM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Patrick Goupell wrote:
> >
> >> Have you looked at clonezilla?  It has a graphical frontend.
> >>
> > Of course, .. but it is only suited for direct disk-to-disk copies; have
> > NEVER been able to get disk-to-image to work except for the simplest
> > usage.
> >
> > partimage is MUCH more flexible than Clonezilla, ..
> >
> >         Lee
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> > grlug at grlug.org
> > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 13:04:06 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:04:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ben Rousch wrote:

> Partimage has an extensive command line functionality. Why not create
> a simple GUI that does just what you need to call partimage on the
> command line?
>
Only complication is that it does not run on a disteo, requiring it's own
iso FWIK.

   vLee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 14:50:29 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:50:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Josh wrote:

> Here is the dd command with compression
>
> dd bs=4m if=/dev/sda | gzip -9 > /backups/disk.gz
>
> at that point you can make a script or have a gui that does what is needed
>
Doesn't make sense to use dd to copy an entire partition - you're copying
raw data instead of the file system. At least partimage 'understands' the
file system and ensures an intact copy.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From brousch at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 16:20:52 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:20:52 -0500
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ben Rousch wrote:
>
>> Partimage has an extensive command line functionality. Why not create
>> a simple GUI that does just what you need to call partimage on the
>> command line?
>>
> Only complication is that it does not run on a disteo, requiring it's own
> iso FWIK.

Works for me:
sudo apt-get install partimage
sudo partimage

-- 
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Dec 29 16:25:45 2012
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:25:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Partition Backup
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ben Rousch wrote:

> Works for me:
> sudo apt-get install partimage
> sudo partimage
>
Didn't on OpenSuSE, .. thanks!

	Lee