From geektoyz at gmail.com  Thu May  1 00:29:16 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:29:16 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
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Geesh!  $300+ for a PSU alone Professor?  I can't imagine what the
whole rig cost?  I'd be a little miffed too.  Anyhoot, sorry we can't
(or perhaps choose not to) be of much help with Win BSOD.  As
previously stated, this is a Linux-interest list/group and though
you'd surely find similar interests in the M$ world here (particularly
as it pertains to gaming), perhaps a Windows-interest list/group may
be more apt/willing to help.

No need to leave this list.  Feel free to post Linux/opensource
questions at will.  They're all welcome!

cheers,
G-

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:05 -0400, Professor Inuyasha wrote:
>  > it is legal vista, I did report and I updated driver, still same issue
>  >
>  > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Rich Nagel <networkman at triton.net> wrote:
>  > > Have you reported any of these problems to Microsoft yet?  It is a legal
>  > > Vista right?
>  > >
>  > > Rich
>
>  Well, to be honest even legal means nothing.
>
>  There have been wide spread problem with the ICH9 and other Sound
>  Systems due to the "DRM" protected and chained outputs. This is by
>  design. There are some sound chipsets that either can't or won't be able
>  to keep up with FULL 9.1 Surround sound output from games, turn down you
>  output to "plain stereo" or something like that. It should help.
>
>  The ACPI thing is well know to typically be a motherboard firmware
>  problem, even in the Linux world.
>
>
> --
>  greg at gregfolkert.net
>  PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>  Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
>  Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
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>
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From adderd at kkmfg.com  Thu May  1 07:17:30 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 07:17:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804301547460.26905@boktor>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804301547460.26905@boktor>
Message-ID: <4819A6CA.1050402@kkmfg.com>

Topher wrote:
> Yes, we've had that a couple times here in the last month.  It's called a 
> Joe Job, you can read about it here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
>
> There's not much you can do about it.  During the fallout from something 
> like that, I *do* blackhole bounce reports.  It's just not worth dealing 
> with them.
>
> Topher
> Manager of Internet Services
> Cornerstone University Radio
>   

I don't know if I'd consider it a Joe Job in so much as it's a massive 
amount of backscatter. But several months back I did come to my senses 
and reconfigure our mailserver to validate email before accepting it. So 
as far as I know we're sending out basically no backscatter. Maybe the 
spammers figure that out and start really using your email as the from 
address (well, to be fair they have it set to the postmaster at our 
domain. But, I get those messages.)

At any rate, it's slowed some now but I still had 400 or more messages 
when I got in this morning.

From adderd at kkmfg.com  Thu May  1 07:36:05 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 07:36:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <4819A6CA.1050402@kkmfg.com>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804301547460.26905@boktor>
	<4819A6CA.1050402@kkmfg.com>
Message-ID: <4819AB25.4010408@kkmfg.com>

Collin wrote:
> Topher wrote:
>   
>> Yes, we've had that a couple times here in the last month.  It's called a 
>> Joe Job, you can read about it here:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
>>
>> There's not much you can do about it.  During the fallout from something 
>> like that, I *do* blackhole bounce reports.  It's just not worth dealing 
>> with them.
>>
>> Topher
>> Manager of Internet Services
>> Cornerstone University Radio
>>   
>>     
>
> I don't know if I'd consider it a Joe Job in so much as it's a massive 
> amount of backscatter. But several months back I did come to my senses 
> and reconfigure our mailserver to validate email before accepting it. So 
> as far as I know we're sending out basically no backscatter. Maybe the 
> spammers figure that out and start really using your email as the from 
> address (well, to be fair they have it set to the postmaster at our 
> domain. But, I get those messages.)
>
> At any rate, it's slowed some now but I still had 400 or more messages 
> when I got in this morning.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>   
Oh... cute... Now I get it... I'm starting to get bounce messages which 
say that the user wouldn't accept email from me (though I didn't send 
it) because my email address is a known spamming address... It really is 
a joe job... Cute.... At least they had the common courtesy to use the 
postmaster address and not my real one. Are spam blockers really so 
stupid as to trust the from address or even pay any attention to it!?!

From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Thu May  1 08:31:23 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:31:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<005e01c8aae2$6fb1c030$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>

thank you godwin, that's what I was look for help, most insult me
about it, but only 3 helped me

reason why people insult me because they have no idea how I felt about
BSOD while I am gamer


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Geesh!  $300+ for a PSU alone Professor?  I can't imagine what the
> whole rig cost?  I'd be a little miffed too.  Anyhoot, sorry we can't
> (or perhaps choose not to) be of much help with Win BSOD.  As
> previously stated, this is a Linux-interest list/group and though
> you'd surely find similar interests in the M$ world here (particularly
> as it pertains to gaming), perhaps a Windows-interest list/group may
> be more apt/willing to help.
>
> No need to leave this list.  Feel free to post Linux/opensource
> questions at will.  They're all welcome!
>
> cheers,
> G-
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:05 -0400, Professor Inuyasha wrote:
> >  > it is legal vista, I did report and I updated driver, still same issue
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Rich Nagel <networkman at triton.net> wrote:
> >  > > Have you reported any of these problems to Microsoft yet?  It is a legal
> >  > > Vista right?
> >  > >
> >  > > Rich
> >
> >  Well, to be honest even legal means nothing.
> >
> >  There have been wide spread problem with the ICH9 and other Sound
> >  Systems due to the "DRM" protected and chained outputs. This is by
> >  design. There are some sound chipsets that either can't or won't be able
> >  to keep up with FULL 9.1 Surround sound output from games, turn down you
> >  output to "plain stereo" or something like that. It should help.
> >
> >  The ACPI thing is well know to typically be a motherboard firmware
> >  problem, even in the Linux world.
> >
> >
> > --
> >  greg at gregfolkert.net
> >  PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
> >  Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
> >  Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
> >  Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >  grlug mailing list
> >  grlug at grlug.org
> >  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ubber::Geek
> http://grlug.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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>



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------------------
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu May  1 08:40:52 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:40:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<005e01c8aae2$6fb1c030$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
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	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Professor Inuyasha
<profinuyasha at gmail.com> wrote:
> thank you godwin, that's what I was look for help, most insult me
>  about it, but only 3 helped me
>
>  reason why people insult me because they have no idea how I felt about
>  BSOD while I am gamer

No one insulted you - despite asking your question in the wrong place.
 How you feel about experiencing BSODs, and the fact that you like to
play games simply aren't relevant.

--tim

From Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com  Thu May  1 10:00:34 2008
From: Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com (Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:00:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <10090457.28961209580421790.JavaMail.root@mail.mtd-inc.com>
Message-ID: <OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>

Members of GRLUG...

I was out of the office yesterday afternoon, so when I arrived this 
morning, I had 98 emails to catch up on.  92 were from GRLUG.
Some were about cat5 cables & a few were about spam, but the vast majority 
were concerning a dialog about a hostile attitude.

While I'm neither qualified to address the Vista issue NOR the purpose of 
this Linux Users Group, I do have a few thoughts I'd like to offer.
Please be advised...these observations are in not in support of either 
camp, but rather intended to offer some helpful insight that may have been 
missed in the conversation. After having read the entire thread in 
sequence, I've come to a few conclusions regarding GRLUG & Linux.

A little background.... I am extremely new to linux.  I've managed to 
install a version from a LiveCD and then promptly render it unusable. I'm 
about 2 weeks into the entire process.  I use WindowsXP for nearly all my 
computing & am by no means, a guru in THAT either.  I am currently 
"registered" at about 5-6 forums/user groups/support sites/ etc. and this 
is only within the last year or so, so this on-line collaboration is also 
quite new to me. 

Now...
I posted a question on a linux forum & after a week of not even a 
response, I "asked if I could ask" the question on another (language) 
forum.
This showed both the courtesy the site deserved, and the preparedness on 
my part to abide by the forums reply.  This was not done here on the GRLUG 
site. 

I was "politely" told that I should go ahead & ask in the chat room, but 
not make it a formal post because while this was not a Linux forum, there 
was a lot of linux knowledge here & they'd be happy to offer what they 
could.  They too, pointed me to several sites that could offer additional 
help.  They also warned me to "be prepared for some good natured tongue 
lashings".  This set the stage completely. All expectations were up front 
& on the table. 

What this illustrated to me was a community that is willing to go the 
extra steps to help a (by this time) very distressed fellow student of the 
*nix world.  Based on the dialog, I feel I'm the very person the GRLUG is 
trying to attract.  I'm attempting to move to the Linux world, and require 
some "mentoring in the process".  However, I'm now left wondering if this 
group can... 1)really offer the help I'm going to need, and  2) if it will 
be worth the price in having to deal with the personality issues. 

I think the professor made some profound misjudgements, but the groups 
"collective" image is at stake with EVERY reply, & I didn't see anywhere, 
where that was even taken into consideration.  Sure, you think Linux is 
better than Windows, and even saying so is not harmful in itself, but if 
the humor is not explicitly stated, then you run the risk of offending 
folks.  The fallout is just not worth the risk, in my opinion.

In the question I referenced earlier, I was "chastised severely" for 
running Linux on an "such antique box".   The idea that it was all in fun, 
was never a question....maybe that's just me, but maybe it's also that the 
folks there understand that the written word holds no tone of voice, hence 
the proliferation of emoticons.  The are always 2,3,4 ways to say the same 
thing, and even if someone like the professor fires the first 
flamethrower, we owe it to the rest of the community to give him/her the 
benefit of the doubt.  When we don't "turn the other cheek" we start the 
downward spiral that only can end in hurt feelings.  The "Where's the 
payback in it" reply was way off  base.  THAT is not why we help each 
other.

Most people would never knowingly adopt a belligerent attitude towards the 
very people they're asking for help.  We must consider this persons 
frustration level, before adding to it by sending a retaliatory response. 
A simple "We're sorry, but that doesn't belong in this forum" even if it 
has to be repeated by 2-3 folks, is a better, more professional way of 
handling this type of issue.  To he "outside world" (ie. me) this dialog 
appeared to be a bunch of gamers bullying the kid in the horned rimmed 
glasses. 

...& professor, you blew it.  These folks here WANT to help you, & they 
offered you what they could, so.... 
if you ever do this again, "I breaka you face".  ;-)

Just my thoughts... thanks for listening.  I hope this "opinion" neither 
offends nor empowers one side or the other, but rather offers that all 
important "disinterested 3rd party observation". 


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From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Thu May  1 10:23:04 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:23:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
References: <10090457.28961209580421790.JavaMail.root@mail.mtd-inc.com>
	<OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805010723u6f5f7d98h19ae31fe7b4d0a2b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:00 AM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
>
> Members of GRLUG...
>
> I was out of the office yesterday afternoon, so when I arrived this morning,
> I had 98 emails to catch up on.  92 were from GRLUG.
> Some were about cat5 cables & a few were about spam, but the vast majority
> were concerning a dialog about a hostile attitude.
>
> While I'm neither qualified to address the Vista issue NOR the purpose of
> this Linux Users Group, I do have a few thoughts I'd like to offer.
> Please be advised...these observations are in not in support of either camp,
> but rather intended to offer some helpful insight that may have been missed
> in the conversation. After having read the entire thread in sequence, I've
> come to a few conclusions regarding GRLUG & Linux.
>
> A little background.... I am extremely new to linux.  I've managed to
> install a version from a LiveCD and then promptly render it unusable. I'm
> about 2 weeks into the entire process.  I use WindowsXP for nearly all my
> computing & am by no means, a guru in THAT either.  I am currently
> "registered" at about 5-6 forums/user groups/support sites/ etc. and this is
> only within the last year or so, so this on-line collaboration is also quite
> new to me.
>
> Now...
> I posted a question on a linux forum & after a week of not even a response,
> I "asked if I could ask" the question on another (language) forum.
> This showed both the courtesy the site deserved, and the preparedness on my
> part to abide by the forums reply.  This was not done here on the GRLUG
> site.
>
> I was "politely" told that I should go ahead & ask in the chat room, but not
> make it a formal post because while this was not a Linux forum, there was a
> lot of linux knowledge here & they'd be happy to offer what they could.
> They too, pointed me to several sites that could offer additional help.
> They also warned me to "be prepared for some good natured tongue lashings".
> This set the stage completely. All expectations were up front & on the
> table.
>
> What this illustrated to me was a community that is willing to go the extra
> steps to help a (by this time) very distressed fellow student of the *nix
> world.  Based on the dialog, I feel I'm the very person the GRLUG is trying
> to attract.  I'm attempting to move to the Linux world, and require some
> "mentoring in the process".  However, I'm now left wondering if this group
> can... 1)really offer the help I'm going to need, and  2) if it will be
> worth the price in having to deal with the personality issues.
>
> I think the professor made some profound misjudgements, but the groups
> "collective" image is at stake with EVERY reply, & I didn't see anywhere,
> where that was even taken into consideration.  Sure, you think Linux is
> better than Windows, and even saying so is not harmful in itself, but if the
> humor is not explicitly stated, then you run the risk of offending folks.
> The fallout is just not worth the risk, in my opinion.

I still dont care which OS is better, I only want get OS to become
100% stable without any BSOD

>
> In the question I referenced earlier, I was "chastised severely" for running
> Linux on an "such antique box".   The idea that it was all in fun, was never
> a question....maybe that's just me, but maybe it's also that the folks there
> understand that the written word holds no tone of voice, hence the
> proliferation of emoticons.  The are always 2,3,4 ways to say the same
> thing, and even if someone like the professor fires the first flamethrower,
> we owe it to the rest of the community to give him/her the benefit of the
> doubt.  When we don't "turn the other cheek" we start the downward spiral
> that only can end in hurt feelings.  The "Where's the payback in it" reply
> was way off  base.  THAT is not why we help each other.
>
> Most people would never knowingly adopt a belligerent attitude towards the
> very people they're asking for help.  We must consider this persons
> frustration level, before adding to it by sending a retaliatory response.  A
> simple "We're sorry, but that doesn't belong in this forum" even if it has
> to be repeated by 2-3 folks, is a better, more professional way of handling
> this type of issue.  To he "outside world" (ie. me) this dialog appeared to
> be a bunch of gamers bullying the kid in the horned rimmed glasses.
>
> ...& professor, you blew it.  These folks here WANT to help you, & they
> offered you what they could, so....
> if you ever do this again, "I breaka you face".  ;-)

no offense, only 3 people helped me, I only want to get rid of BSOD

"I breaka you face"
Who would say it?

by the way, I've found some gamer in GRLUG so they can help me to solve issue

>
> Just my thoughts... thanks for listening.  I hope this "opinion" neither
> offends nor empowers one side or the other, but rather offers that all
> important "disinterested 3rd party observation".
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

people who went to GRLUG meeting, they recognized me that I am deaf
and they just get deal with it

-- 
------------------
Professor Inuyasha

From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu May  1 10:24:33 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:24:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
References: <10090457.28961209580421790.JavaMail.root@mail.mtd-inc.com>
	<OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805010724o7accb023t183e31c020f40e58@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:00 AM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
> Now...
> I posted a question on a linux forum & after a week of not even a response,
> I "asked if I could ask" the question on another (language) forum.
> This showed both the courtesy the site deserved, and the preparedness on my
> part to abide by the forums reply.  This was not done here on the GRLUG
> site.

Indeed.  An ounce of courtesy goes a long way on the part of the
person requesting a favor.

> What this illustrated to me was a community that is willing to go the extra
> steps to help a (by this time) very distressed fellow student of the *nix
> world.  Based on the dialog, I feel I'm the very person the GRLUG is trying
> to attract.  I'm attempting to move to the Linux world, and require some
> "mentoring in the process".  However, I'm now left wondering if this group
> can... 1)really offer the help I'm going to need, and  2) if it will be
> worth the price in having to deal with the personality issues.

I'm sure someone here can help with almost any issue you might
encounter.  Dealing with other people's personality 'quirks' is the
price of all social interaction.  It's more than fair.

> I think the professor made some profound misjudgements, but the groups
> "collective" image is at stake with EVERY reply, & I didn't see anywhere,
> where that was even taken into consideration.  Sure, you think Linux is
> better than Windows, and even saying so is not harmful in itself, but if the
> humor is not explicitly stated, then you run the risk of offending folks.
> The fallout is just not worth the risk, in my opinion.

Misjudgments indeed.  You yourself appear to assume that we are all
here to maximize the number of people using Linux.  Not so.  I'm here
to help people who - in my opinion - have demonstrated a willingness
to help themselves.  Others have entirely different motivations.

_We are not a singular unit with a singular purpose_

Thinking of us as one leads to many errors in judgment.

> Most people would never knowingly adopt a belligerent attitude towards the
> very people they're asking for help.  We must consider this persons
> frustration level, before adding to it by sending a retaliatory response.  A
> simple "We're sorry, but that doesn't belong in this forum" even if it has
> to be repeated by 2-3 folks, is a better, more professional way of handling
> this type of issue.  To he "outside world" (ie. me) this dialog appeared to
> be a bunch of gamers bullying the kid in the horned rimmed glasses.

If people here didn't _volunteer_ their own hard-earned knowledge and
time, they may be more interested in living up to your definition of
professionalism.

> ...& professor, you blew it.  These folks here WANT to help you, & they
> offered you what they could, so....

Agree entirely.  The only price for all this free help and knowledge
is to learn how to ask for it competently and politely.  Failing to
expend such minimal effort is what earns scorn and derision.  The
relative experience of the questioner has little bearing.

--tim

From networkman at triton.net  Thu May  1 10:40:14 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (networkman at triton.net)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<005e01c8aae2$6fb1c030$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
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Apologies, Professor, if you took offense at any of my comments.

The fact of the matter is, I am still primarily a Windows person, and yes,
I play a number of games too, primarily the "Rainbow Six Three" series,
most recently "Vegas", and while I've not seen any BSOD errors, I do
encounter in-game errors related to my ATI video card(in XP Pro, latest
drivers and patches, yada yada).

But, gamer or no, I still wouldn't take my Microsoft Windows issues to a
Linux Users Group for support.  I've no doubt that there are some very
talented individuals in this group - in fact, I've already seen that in
the work they've done and tried to provide thus far with the IPAQ & the
Geexbox software.  Still, those skills in a totally different OS may not
cross-over to games designed to run in another totally different OS.

If you want to find support for Vista & gaming, I suggest you let your
fingers do the walking as it were and let Google or some other search be
your friend for a while.  Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and any number of
others sites have tons of forums geared specifically to your issues.  Use
them.

'Nuff said.


> thank you godwin, that's what I was look for help, most insult me
> about it, but only 3 helped me
>
> reason why people insult me because they have no idea how I felt about
> BSOD while I am gamer

< SNIP! >



From verduin at ameritech.net  Thu May  1 11:03:29 2008
From: verduin at ameritech.net (George (Skip) VerDuin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:03:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
References: <OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <1209654209.30546.124.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>

Thank you for putting words to this Bill...

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:00 -0400, Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com
wrote:
> 
> Members of GRLUG... 
> 
> I was out of the office yesterday afternoon, so when I arrived this
> morning, I had 98 emails to catch up on.  92 were from GRLUG. 
> Some were about cat5 cables & a few were about spam, but the vast
> majority were concerning a dialog about a hostile attitude. 
Seldom have I seen such expression of testosterone.  I too found the
"hostile" thread late in it's development and came away with similar
feelings as yourself.  You have done yeoman service in presenting a view
that I have little to add to.

My small addition is to underscore two of you points with a slightly
different perspective.

First, I agree professor did bring much upon himself by not heeding the
underlying advise of being in "the wrong spot" for the question he
posed.  OK, the bar thing is in fact "cute", but as you point out humor
is based on experiences perhaps not available to professor and while he
held out his disability as a shield it is not relevant.  I find it sad
his tenacity is blunted by his narrowness of focus.

Second, this group is selective in response and it is sad commentary to
spill so much emotional content over features that even the O/S author
says should be invisible to the computer user.  I too find Linux
superior in many respects to all other offerings, but like others before
me I'll vote with my pocket book and fight for the right of choice.  Let
he who makes choices wrestle with the consequences, and let those who
bring product to market be encumbered with suitable support.

I'm sad you had to resort to other venues for the answers to your
question since this group does in fact seem to contain the talent for a
straight forward response.  Like all other organizations, success or
failure rests with the participants in the venture.  If I were to pray,
my prayer would be for the success of GRLUG as an oasis of knowledge
dispensed by willing partners in a venture that taps the mentoring
spirit in gentile participants.  Attitudes like your own go a long way
toward that vision.


Warmest regards from here,
George


From thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com  Thu May  1 11:32:30 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:32:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ati and Nvidia
Message-ID: <cea1322a0805010832i58ff9a4ao7f9447b786e2de5b@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my situation:

I have a Nvidie GeForce 7600 APG card connected to dual monitors.
I also have a Ati PCI card that I would like to connect for 2 more monitors.

Any ideas on the best way to do this or if it possible or even smart.

I have tried congifuring X to use both the nvidia and open source ati
drivers to no real luck. and the nvidia glx does not like the ati
card. I tried using nvidia drier and the vga driver that didn't really
work ether.

I don't card about hardware acceleration on the ati card but i do on
the nvidia card (my main monitors).

Any ideas?

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu May  1 11:44:44 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:44:44 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ati and Nvidia
In-Reply-To: <cea1322a0805010832i58ff9a4ao7f9447b786e2de5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805010832i58ff9a4ao7f9447b786e2de5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8ba6540805010844m701c79b7yd70e53cb40eb5d09@mail.gmail.com>

What distro are you using?  This certainly looks challenging.

From adderd at kkmfg.com  Thu May  1 11:50:03 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin Kidder)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:50:03 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805010723u6f5f7d98h19ae31fe7b4d0a2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10090457.28961209580421790.JavaMail.root@mail.mtd-inc.com>	<OF077F4CBF.CCBA1956-ON8525743C.0042E6AB-8525743C.004CF142@spartanstore.com>
	<aecf8abe0805010723u6f5f7d98h19ae31fe7b4d0a2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4819E6AB.6040205@kkmfg.com>


>
> I still dont care which OS is better, I only want get OS to become
> 100% stable without any BSOD
>   

Even linux is not 100% stable without it's equivalent of a BSOD on 
faulty hardware. Heck, I'd bet that it could happen on hardware that is 
otherwise good -- Just not as much as it happens in windows. Asking for 
perfect stability is a pipedream. Even more so if you are referring to 
consumer grade equipment. Server hardware is a lot more fault tolerant 
and redundant.
> no offense, only 3 people helped me, I only want to get rid of BSOD
>
> "I breaka you face"
> Who would say it?
>
> by the way, I've found some gamer in GRLUG so they can help me to solve issue
>   

What exactly makes you think that a "gamer" would somehow make someone 
qualified to help you? Are normal support technicians incapable of 
dealing with hardware and/or software issues? What you need is someone 
familiar with your hardware and with windows diagnosis not someone who 
can beat COD4 blindfolded and with a broken arm. I wish you luck in 
tracking down what's going wrong though!
> people who went to GRLUG meeting, they recognized me that I am deaf
> and they just get deal with it
I'm hard of hearing myself but it has nothing to do with the price of 
tea in China or the phase of the moon. I'd say that your trouble in 
dealing with the people on this list has nothing to do with deafness and 
a lot to do with grammar and overall structure of your replies. I know 
that you are deaf, and that's all well and good, but are you from a 
foreign country as well? I ask in all seriousness as knowing something 
like "yes, I'm from China originally" could be helpful in better 
understanding what you're trying to say.

From thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com  Thu May  1 11:57:12 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:57:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Ati and Nvidia
In-Reply-To: <ef8ba6540805010844m701c79b7yd70e53cb40eb5d09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805010832i58ff9a4ao7f9447b786e2de5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8ba6540805010844m701c79b7yd70e53cb40eb5d09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cea1322a0805010857n2116fd34ob061bf74cec071a8@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu 8.04

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> What distro are you using?  This certainly looks challenging.
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>  grlug at grlug.org
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From Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com  Thu May  1 12:10:05 2008
From: Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com (Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:10:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805010723u6f5f7d98h19ae31fe7b4d0a2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>

OK,  Obviously I'm not the communicator that I thought I was.... my 
bad....

Here's some parting shots (at me) before I finally let this 
go.....sometimes I am helpful TO A FAULT...

Proffessor-

I'm sorry.  The "breaka you face" line, is a slang term used in hollywood 
mafia movies to warn people of impending pain.
I should have been more cogniciant of your english slang knowledge base. 
It won't happen again.

Tim-

I'm sorry you don't consider the "Users GROUP" as a single unit.  Doesn't 
the group at least have an informal if not formal charter, to foster the 
acceptance of Linux, & to increase it's user base. I realize group 
dynamics can't be totally void of personal agendas, but at least in the 
GROUP setting, I thought by deffinition, they should play a subordinate 
role.  I'm glad you help where you can, but in your email, you made it 
sound as though you were part of only a small minority.  I doubt that's 
the case & hence, that whole "benefit of the doubt" thing.  ;-)

George-
"yoeman service" ?  I doubt  it.   I'm just a ol' phart that likes to butt 
in where he thinks he can offer an idea that maybe others have missed... 
NOT because anybody ASK for his opinion.  If I wait till they ask, it'd be 
too late, they would have already made "a horrible mistake". 
Yeah, my wife rolls her eyes like that, too.  ;-)

And that site that offered no help.... that wasn't THIS group.  I asked 
the question "rephrased a bit" a week later & got a little bit better 
response. 
I haven't asked THIS group anything....YET!   But I'm about to...  Just to 
point out again, my extreeme ignorance.  ;-) 

Now, having blabbed waaaaay more that I'd intended...   WHAT exactly is a 
BSOD?  How do I know if mine is failing, about to fail, or if I even have 
one at all?   Thanks.  Feel free to email me if you don't see the need to 
burden the entire GRLUG board with the answer.  Thanks.
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu May  1 12:27:52 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:27:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>
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On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 12:10:05PM -0400, Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com wrote:
> OK,  Obviously I'm not the communicator that I thought I was.... my 
> bad....
> 
> Here's some parting shots (at me) before I finally let this 
> go.....sometimes I am helpful TO A FAULT...
> 
> Proffessor-
> 
> I'm sorry.  The "breaka you face" line, is a slang term used in hollywood 
> mafia movies to warn people of impending pain.
> I should have been more cogniciant of your english slang knowledge base. 
> It won't happen again.
> 
> Tim-
> 
> I'm sorry you don't consider the "Users GROUP" as a single unit.  Doesn't 
> the group at least have an informal if not formal charter, to foster the 
> acceptance of Linux, & to increase it's user base. I realize group 
> dynamics can't be totally void of personal agendas, but at least in the 
> GROUP setting, I thought by deffinition, they should play a subordinate 
> role.  I'm glad you help where you can, but in your email, you made it 
> sound as though you were part of only a small minority.  I doubt that's 
> the case & hence, that whole "benefit of the doubt" thing.  ;-)
> 
> George-
> "yoeman service" ?  I doubt  it.   I'm just a ol' phart that likes to butt 
> in where he thinks he can offer an idea that maybe others have missed... 
> NOT because anybody ASK for his opinion.  If I wait till they ask, it'd be 
> too late, they would have already made "a horrible mistake". 
> Yeah, my wife rolls her eyes like that, too.  ;-)

Bill,

You have acknowledged that you are new to mailing lists.  You have
responded to three separate posts in one email.  This is not a good
idea.  When I got to the "George" paragraph above I had no idea what you
were talking about - until I closed your email and saw, further down in
the thread, an email from George.  Please reply to each email directly
rather than aggregating them.  It messes up threading and makes
following an extended conversation with multiple subthreads very
difficult.

[snip]
> 
> Now, having blabbed waaaaay more that I'd intended...   WHAT exactly is a 
> BSOD?  How do I know if mine is failing, about to fail, or if I even have 
> one at all?   Thanks.  Feel free to email me if you don't see the need to 
> burden the entire GRLUG board with the answer.  Thanks.

It means "Blue Screen Of Death" that often appears when a Windows
machine crashes.  I am sure you have seen it; blue background with
grayish text of an odd assortment of letters and digits that offers
practically zero information to the average user.
-- 
john-thomas
------
In a perfect union the man and woman are like a strung bow. Who is to
say whether the string bends the bow, or the bow tightens the string?
Cyril Connolly, critic and editor (1903-1974)

From verduin at ameritech.net  Thu May  1 12:32:58 2008
From: verduin at ameritech.net (George (Skip) VerDuin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:32:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
Message-ID: <1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>

Very pertinent topic Collin.

On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 15:37 -0400, Collin wrote:
> This is sort of off topic but sort of on topic...
I'm sorry -- I see nothing off topic in your post, and I see many good
thoughts in the thread posted prior to mine.

> 
> I'm getting hundreds upon hundreds of bounce messages from all over the 
> world today. Someone used our email domain as the sender address for not 
> so nice emails (they didn't use our server they just claim to be us). >>SNIP<<
It seems your experience is shared by many of us and our interests are
to protect ourselves from such abuse in the absence of (or the
ineptitude of) protection from others.  The issue you put before us is
tantamount to identity theft, a hard to enforce felony level statute.
It also seems to be a two pronged question of:
a) Discovery
b) Propagation

A) Discovery of email address:
In order for our information to be used by others, it must be ferreted
out by people with either good or bad intentions.  Whatever we do to
protect ourselves from mal-use, it must not disadvantage good-use.

One practice is to obfuscate email addresses on web sites.  For example:
grlug at grlug.org becomes "grlug at grlug dot org", now simple robots pass
over such text and come away empty handed.  I have the desire to learn
more tactics from GRLUG that allow me to put myself out there on the web
with some safety.

B) Propagation of mal intent:
In order for us to blunt the effects of mis-use of our information, we
might need to be proactive at shutting down distribution.  Our present
tools include firewalls and spam filters.  I find it good practice to
shut down abuse, but bad practice to stop at protection and not be
proactive at prevention because inaction is a self defeating
proposition.

One filter put forward is grey-listing and SPF I find interesting.  Like
all solutions, isn't there a price?  For example, to shut down
"undeliverable" now disadvantages legitimate users who mis-spell an
address on valid mail from an organization?  Curious minds...? 

C) What to do later today and tomorrow:
I guess LWN needs to go into my regular reading?  While I can repent, I
also struggle to find the time for information overload...  But perhaps
there is opportunity in this: consultant on the topic, service provider
upstream of the reader, IPv6, SMTP "from" validated against IP address,
email delivery "stamp" with associated cost, giving no quarter at any
ISP with lax attitude (and that might include blacklisting mail from his
domain)...

I find the comments of practiced experts who chide poorly done firewalls
amusing but not very instructional.  My desire is to feel safe so I can
sleep soundly, and feel participative so tomorrow might be a better day
than today.  Casey -- for GRLUG meeting would you consider a round table
on this subject?  I'd love to take notes and post them on wiki.


Warmest regards from here,
George


From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu May  1 12:56:47 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>
References: <aecf8abe0805010723u6f5f7d98h19ae31fe7b4d0a2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805010956r103c5646v119d822bdf7b0a0a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:10 PM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry you don't consider the "Users GROUP" as a single unit.

Well...  it's not.  It's a loosley knit informal group of
self-identified volunteers.

> Doesn't the group at least have an informal if not formal charter, to foster the
> acceptance of Linux, & to increase it's user base.

Personally, I couldn't care less how well Linux is accepted, or how
large it's user base is.  I care about the quality of the software
itself.  Now, the two aren't mutually exclusive, so it's a fine
line...  but the distinction is meant to point out that growing the
user base for the sake of growth itself is unlikely to be worthwhile.
The culture and work ethic that produced Free and Open Source Software
are every bit as important as the software itself.

> I realize group dynamics can't be totally void of personal agendas, but at least in the GROUP
> setting, I thought by deffinition, they should play a subordinate role.

By all means, attempt to get the group to agree on an agenda.  When
you do, we can talk about getting rid of those pesky personal ones.

> I'm glad you help where you can, but in your email, you made it sound as though
> you were part of only a small minority.

Minority of what?  I don't know what you're meaning is here.

--tim

From networkman at triton.net  Thu May  1 13:11:19 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:11:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] BSOD
References: <OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <006001c8abae$6017a280$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>

BSOD = Blue Screen Of Death

The BSOD is characterized by a blue screen with a usually cryptic message in white letters at the top of the screen.  Very popular in the Windows NT days and still highly fashionable in most Microsoft operating systems. :P

Reminds one of "Guru Meditation Mode" from the old C= Amgia days. :)

Rich

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com 
  To: grlug at grlug.org 
  Cc: grlug at grlug.org ; grlug-bounces at grlug.org 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [GRLUG] (no subject)



  OK,  Obviously I'm not the communicator that I thought I was.... my bad.... 

  Here's some parting shots (at me) before I finally let this go.....sometimes I am helpful TO A FAULT... 

  Proffessor- 

  I'm sorry.  The "breaka you face" line, is a slang term used in hollywood mafia movies to warn people of impending pain. 
  I should have been more cogniciant of your english slang knowledge base.  It won't happen again. 

  Tim- 

  I'm sorry you don't consider the "Users GROUP" as a single unit.  Doesn't the group at least have an informal if not formal charter, to foster the acceptance of Linux, & to increase it's user base. I realize group dynamics can't be totally void of personal agendas, but at least in the GROUP setting, I thought by deffinition, they should play a subordinate role.  I'm glad you help where you can, but in your email, you made it sound as though you were part of only a small minority.  I doubt that's the case & hence, that whole "benefit of the doubt" thing.  ;-) 

  George- 
  "yoeman service" ?  I doubt  it.   I'm just a ol' phart that likes to butt in where he thinks he can offer an idea that maybe others have missed... NOT because anybody ASK for his opinion.  If I wait till they ask, it'd be too late, they would have already made "a horrible mistake".   
  Yeah, my wife rolls her eyes like that, too.  ;-) 

  And that site that offered no help.... that wasn't THIS group.  I asked the question "rephrased a bit" a week later & got a little bit better response. 
  I haven't asked THIS group anything....YET!   But I'm about to...  Just to point out again, my extreeme ignorance.  ;-) 

  Now, having blabbed waaaaay more that I'd intended...   WHAT exactly is a BSOD?  How do I know if mine is failing, about to fail, or if I even have one at all?   Thanks.  Feel free to email me if you don't see the need to burden the entire GRLUG board with the answer.  Thanks. 



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From dond at standalelumber.com  Thu May  1 13:21:04 2008
From: dond at standalelumber.com (Don Wood)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:21:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
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	<1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
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On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 12:32 -0400, George (Skip) VerDuin wrote:

> Very pertinent topic Collin.
> 
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 15:37 -0400, Collin wrote:
> > This is sort of off topic but sort of on topic...
> I'm sorry -- I see nothing off topic in your post, and I see many good
> thoughts in the thread posted prior to mine.
> 
> > 
> > I'm getting hundreds upon hundreds of bounce messages from all over the 
> > world today. Someone used our email domain as the sender address for not 
> > so nice emails (they didn't use our server they just claim to be us). >>SNIP<<
> It seems your experience is shared by many of us and our interests are
> to protect ourselves from such abuse in the absence of (or the
> ineptitude of) protection from others.  The issue you put before us is
> tantamount to identity theft, a hard to enforce felony level statute.
> It also seems to be a two pronged question of:
> a) Discovery
> b) Propagation
> 
> A) Discovery of email address:
> In order for our information to be used by others, it must be ferreted
> out by people with either good or bad intentions.  Whatever we do to
> protect ourselves from mal-use, it must not disadvantage good-use.
> 
> One practice is to obfuscate email addresses on web sites.  For example:
> grlug at grlug.org becomes "grlug at grlug dot org", now simple robots pass
> over such text and come away empty handed.  I have the desire to learn
> more tactics from GRLUG that allow me to put myself out there on the web
> with some safety.
> 
> B) Propagation of mal intent:
> In order for us to blunt the effects of mis-use of our information, we
> might need to be proactive at shutting down distribution.  Our present
> tools include firewalls and spam filters.  I find it good practice to
> shut down abuse, but bad practice to stop at protection and not be
> proactive at prevention because inaction is a self defeating
> proposition.
> 
> One filter put forward is grey-listing and SPF I find interesting.  Like
> all solutions, isn't there a price?  For example, to shut down
> "undeliverable" now disadvantages legitimate users who mis-spell an
> address on valid mail from an organization?  Curious minds...? 
> 
> C) What to do later today and tomorrow:
> I guess LWN needs to go into my regular reading?  While I can repent, I
> also struggle to find the time for information overload...  But perhaps
> there is opportunity in this: consultant on the topic, service provider
> upstream of the reader, IPv6, SMTP "from" validated against IP address,
> email delivery "stamp" with associated cost, giving no quarter at any
> ISP with lax attitude (and that might include blacklisting mail from his
> domain)...
> 
> I find the comments of practiced experts who chide poorly done firewalls
> amusing but not very instructional.  My desire is to feel safe so I can
> sleep soundly, and feel participative so tomorrow might be a better day
> than today.  Casey -- for GRLUG meeting would you consider a round table
> on this subject?  I'd love to take notes and post them on wiki.
> 
> 
> Warmest regards from here,
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


Chiding and amusing? What planet are you from? I was the one who
mentioned poor firewall rules as a possible point to look at. I didn't
chide anyone. It was a pointer to help because that's something I
actually had happen to me in my travels. Get over yourself.


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From adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:38:35 2008
From: adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:38:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] BSOD
In-Reply-To: <006001c8abae$6017a280$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
References: <OF8A26C6C3.74411BB2-ON8525743C.00565ED7-8525743C.0058CCE6@spartanstore.com>
	<006001c8abae$6017a280$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
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> BSOD = Blue Screen Of Death 
> The BSOD is characterized by a blue screen with a usually cryptic
> message in white letters at the top of the screen.  Very popular in
> the Windows NT days and still highly fashionable in most Microsoft
> operating systems. :P

I recently saw a Vista machine crash, and the background was red, not blue.  Is it RSOD now?

Last time I saw a LINUX machine crash the kernel (8 years ago?) the
screen was black with white letters... which would also acronym to BSOD.

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 Contact:awilliam at whitemiceconsulting.com   http://freshmeat.net/projects/consonance/


From verduin at ameritech.net  Thu May  1 13:42:04 2008
From: verduin at ameritech.net (George (Skip) VerDuin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:42:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <1209662464.8137.11.camel@donw-laptop>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
	<1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
	<1209662464.8137.11.camel@donw-laptop>
Message-ID: <1209663724.30546.226.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>

Sorry Don, I was not focused only on your post.

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 13:21 -0400, Don Wood wrote:

> Chiding and amusing? What planet are you from?
Many years right here on Earth...
With lots of opportunities to mingle prior to this thread.

>  I was the one who mentioned poor firewall rules as a possible point
> to look at. I didn't chide anyone.
No you did not chide -- your thought is quite on target.

>  It was a pointer to help because that's something I actually had
> happen to me in my travels.
And me in mine.  The issue for me is to wonder if our solutions resemble
each other and to shorten the learning curve for the next guy to have
them.  Thus I still believe there is more detail to explore on the
topic, maybe at GRLUG face-to-face.

>  Get over yourself.
?


Sorry if you feel slighted, not my intent
George


From Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com  Thu May  1 13:50:27 2008
From: Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com (Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:50:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] BSOD
In-Reply-To: <1209663724.30546.226.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
Message-ID: <OF71CB8F02.A4F5EFCD-ON8525743C.00617648-8525743C.0061FD3C@spartanstore.com>

Thanks to all who pointed out the Blue screen of death.  I am TRUELY 
Blessed, as I have only seen it twice, in the same hour, & once solved via 
a hardware swap, I've not seen one in so long, that I had never 
encountered the acronym.  Can you believe it.  Must've been 6-8-10 years 
ago now.  Although yesterday is getting vague too. ;-)

Thanks also for the tips on the emailings, I'll for sure take them to 
heart.  Hope to meet you all @ the May meeting, but time is still up in 
the air.
Thanks again.
Bill.
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From adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:56:38 2008
From: adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:56:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
	<1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
Message-ID: <1209664598.7430.27.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

> A) Discovery of email address:
> In order for our information to be used by others, it must be ferreted
> out by people with either good or bad intentions.  Whatever we do to
> protect ourselves from mal-use, it must not disadvantage good-use.
> One practice is to obfuscate email addresses on web sites.  For example:
> grlug at grlug.org becomes "grlug at grlug dot org", now simple robots pass
> over such text and come away empty handed.  I have the desire to learn
> more tactics from GRLUG that allow me to put myself out there on the web
> with some safety.

I believe this practice to be (a) a pain and (b) totally bogus.  My
e-mail addresses are trivial to find [search for them on Google] and I
don't get deluged with SPAM.  See - adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com,
awilliam at whitemice.org, and adam at morrison-ind.com.

The purpose of e-mail is communication.  An anti-SPAM practice that gets
in the way of communication isn't a solution, it is a nuscense.

> B) Propagation of mal intent:
> In order for us to blunt the effects of mis-use of our information, we
> might need to be proactive at shutting down distribution.  Our present
> tools include firewalls and spam filters.  I find it good practice to
> shut down abuse, but bad practice to stop at protection and not be
> proactive at prevention because inaction is a self defeating
> proposition.

Agree, SPAM needs to be reported.

> One filter put forward is grey-listing and SPF I find interesting.  Like
> all solutions, isn't there a price?  

Yes.  Greylisting slows down mail and creates problems with old/broken
mail servers that react incorrectly to the 451 response.  It has also,
IMO, had its day.  A couple of years ago it was extremely effective when
SPAMers were using servers to spray messages at the SMTP port.  But now
most SPAM comes from infected bots that seem to dutifully retry after a
451.  It helps,  but not as much as it once did.

> For example, to shut down
> "undeliverable" now disadvantages legitimate users who mis-spell an
> address on valid mail from an organization?  Curious minds...? 

A misspelled address won't get delivered anyway.

> C) What to do later today and tomorrow:
> I guess LWN needs to go into my regular reading? 

Yes.

> I find the comments of practiced experts who chide poorly done firewalls
> amusing but not very instructional. 

A sys-admin needs to understand these things and finding instructions is
pretty easy.

>  My desire is to feel safe so I can
> sleep soundly, and feel participative so tomorrow might be a better day
> than today.  Casey -- for GRLUG meeting would you consider a round table
> on this subject?  I'd love to take notes and post them on wiki.

There is tons and tons of documentation on how to correctly setup DNS,
SMTP (postfix, sendmail, etc...) and firewalls.  The last thing the
world needs is yet-another-Wiki on the subject,  we just need more
people to do it.

-- 
          Consonance: an Open Source .NET OpenGroupware client.
 Contact:awilliam at whitemiceconsulting.com   http://freshmeat.net/projects/consonance/


From erickson.adam.m at gmail.com  Thu May  1 14:26:22 2008
From: erickson.adam.m at gmail.com (Adam M. Erickson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:26:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] wiki - BSOD
Message-ID: <7cd69fdf0805011126g2b423f2exc76b850dd5f5b5bf@mail.gmail.com>

Stories like the ones given earlier on BSOD would be greatly amusing
to have in the wiki.
I would like to volunteer writing pages for the wiki site. Is there a
way to get involved. I have had some experience using Mediawiki and
know most of the formats and some of the etiquette.

I can't remember the linux distro I was playing around with but one of
the screensavers would flash 1 to many different crash screens from
the commadore on up to MS-BSOD it even included game system crash
screens and you could select wich one you wanted for a screensaver.

If any one knows what I'm talking about I would love to know how to
put that one on Ubuntu.

I already use a fake BSOD as my login screen template for Ubuntu. It
shows a BSOD and complains a lot about MS were there should be error
codes..
It has fooled a few people (who don't pay attention) into believing my
system has crashed.


Adam M. Erickson
erickson.adam.m at gmail.com

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:13:48 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:13:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] wiki - BSOD
In-Reply-To: <7cd69fdf0805011126g2b423f2exc76b850dd5f5b5bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7cd69fdf0805011126g2b423f2exc76b850dd5f5b5bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805011613r78543c5dtd575f27934db2c40@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like you can get the BSOD screensaver back:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189447

G-


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Adam M. Erickson
<erickson.adam.m at gmail.com> wrote:
> Stories like the ones given earlier on BSOD would be greatly amusing
>  to have in the wiki.
>  I would like to volunteer writing pages for the wiki site. Is there a
>  way to get involved. I have had some experience using Mediawiki and
>  know most of the formats and some of the etiquette.
>
>  I can't remember the linux distro I was playing around with but one of
>  the screensavers would flash 1 to many different crash screens from
>  the commadore on up to MS-BSOD it even included game system crash
>  screens and you could select wich one you wanted for a screensaver.
>
>  If any one knows what I'm talking about I would love to know how to
>  put that one on Ubuntu.
>
>  I already use a fake BSOD as my login screen template for Ubuntu. It
>  shows a BSOD and complains a lot about MS were there should be error
>  codes..
>  It has fooled a few people (who don't pay attention) into believing my
>  system has crashed.
>
>
>  Adam M. Erickson
>  erickson.adam.m at gmail.com
>  _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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From tehpopa at gmail.com  Fri May  2 00:44:52 2008
From: tehpopa at gmail.com (Justin Popa)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:44:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Hostile Attitudes
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0804301157l44bb8426i6c5244b9bd359a3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550804301026k7ef3cf67n5bf1beb5f238d824@mail.gmail.com>
	<4818B0D0.4090708@kkmfg.com> <4818B1BE.6060208@kkmfg.com>
	<e8898d550804301106l602cd32cn8b3684451a51ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0804301111s26a37fc8y55abdbd586286b9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301121m49120c8fw61277d2bc09353c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8898d550804301136i369716fm26fd673e06b66d2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301143w7b6080afg68d5e456f6fb485e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca1715f80804301153s2d2a9378t2a800e31c669bc12@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301157l44bb8426i6c5244b9bd359a3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca1715f80805012144m5905d2b7md724e8945c85a1cf@mail.gmail.com>

I see my sense of humor is completely lost upon everyone. My solution to
diagnosing windows is to install linux. Sorry for adding more to the fire.
Sorry I didn't read this sooner! :P

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Justin Popa <tehpopa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > we all know how to diagnose Windows(I think?).
>
> You think wrong.  Especially when it comes to Vista.
>
> --tim
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Fri May  2 07:09:46 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:09:46 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Hostile Attitudes
In-Reply-To: <ca1715f80805012144m5905d2b7md724e8945c85a1cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550804301026k7ef3cf67n5bf1beb5f238d824@mail.gmail.com>
	<4818B1BE.6060208@kkmfg.com>
	<e8898d550804301106l602cd32cn8b3684451a51ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0804301111s26a37fc8y55abdbd586286b9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301121m49120c8fw61277d2bc09353c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8898d550804301136i369716fm26fd673e06b66d2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301143w7b6080afg68d5e456f6fb485e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca1715f80804301153s2d2a9378t2a800e31c669bc12@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0804301157l44bb8426i6c5244b9bd359a3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca1715f80805012144m5905d2b7md724e8945c85a1cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805020409m3999b85bx5ec74b53cdbe618@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Justin Popa <tehpopa at gmail.com> wrote:
> I see my sense of humor is completely lost upon everyone. My solution to
> diagnosing windows is to install linux. Sorry for adding more to the fire.

Ah!  My bad.  Perhaps we do all know how to fix Windows after all!

--tim

From thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:52:01 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:52:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] VirtualBox one way bridge
Message-ID: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>

Any VirtualBox Users in the list?

I have setup VirtualBox and I am trying to set up network birdgeing (I
am using ubuntu 8.04). I have tried bother methods out lined in the
manual (using vbox0 and tap0). Both ways give the same result.
Everything works fine on the VM, and everything works fine on the
Host, except I can not ping the VM from the host or the network, the
VM can ping the everything.

Any Ideas?

From brousch at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:59:40 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:59:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] VirtualBox one way bridge
In-Reply-To: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Joe Vanderstelt <
thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com <thisboyiscrazy%2Bgrlug at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Any VirtualBox Users in the list?
>
> I have setup VirtualBox and I am trying to set up network birdgeing (I
> am using ubuntu 8.04). I have tried bother methods out lined in the
> manual (using vbox0 and tap0). Both ways give the same result.
> Everything works fine on the VM, and everything works fine on the
> Host, except I can not ping the VM from the host or the network, the
> VM can ping the everything.
>
> Any Ideas?


Firewall on the host or guest?
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 12:03:58 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:03:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] VirtualBox one way bridge
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8ba6540805020903o4373127di4a4a5d93b311d9fb@mail.gmail.com>

could it maybe just not be responding to icmp?  just a thought.

From thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com  Fri May  2 13:30:51 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:30:51 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] VirtualBox one way bridge
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cea1322a0805021030y2442db1bn94530642b8ae8406@mail.gmail.com>

guest: by default yes and I have turned it off
host: no

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Joe Vanderstelt
> <thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Any VirtualBox Users in the list?
> >
> > I have setup VirtualBox and I am trying to set up network birdgeing (I
> > am using ubuntu 8.04). I have tried bother methods out lined in the
> > manual (using vbox0 and tap0). Both ways give the same result.
> > Everything works fine on the VM, and everything works fine on the
> > Host, except I can not ping the VM from the host or the network, the
> > VM can ping the everything.
> >
> > Any Ideas?
>
> Firewall on the host or guest?
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

From thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com  Fri May  2 13:32:53 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy+grlug at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:32:53 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] VirtualBox one way bridge
In-Reply-To: <ef8ba6540805020903o4373127di4a4a5d93b311d9fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea1322a0805020852r47210616o81a9d5f5f839bd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<d92a2d930805020859s4912ba00p5b154f7da838e970@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <cea1322a0805021032v7833f226qad1624ce35419e18@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> could it maybe just not be responding to icmp?  just a thought.
>  _______________________________________________
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>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

Actually thats correct it does not respond to ICMP but other things
work for example i can mount shares. So not as big of a deal as I
thought, but still I should be able to ping the guest.

From david at pembrook.net  Fri May  2 13:16:05 2008
From: david at pembrook.net (David Pembrook)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:16:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Hostile Attitudes
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0805020409m3999b85bx5ec74b53cdbe618@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550804301026k7ef3cf67n5bf1beb5f238d824@mail.gmail.com>	<4818B1BE.6060208@kkmfg.com>	<e8898d550804301106l602cd32cn8b3684451a51ed9a@mail.gmail.com>	<aecf8abe0804301111s26a37fc8y55abdbd586286b9c@mail.gmail.com>	<2c97fe9d0804301121m49120c8fw61277d2bc09353c3@mail.gmail.com>	<e8898d550804301136i369716fm26fd673e06b66d2a@mail.gmail.com>	<2c97fe9d0804301143w7b6080afg68d5e456f6fb485e@mail.gmail.com>	<ca1715f80804301153s2d2a9378t2a800e31c669bc12@mail.gmail.com>	<2c97fe9d0804301157l44bb8426i6c5244b9bd359a3e@mail.gmail.com>	<ca1715f80805012144m5905d2b7md724e8945c85a1cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805020409m3999b85bx5ec74b53cdbe618@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4C55.3040205@pembrook.net>

Tim Schmidt wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Justin Popa <tehpopa at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I see my sense of humor is completely lost upon everyone. My solution to
>> diagnosing windows is to install linux. Sorry for adding more to the fire.
>>     
>
> Ah!  My bad.  Perhaps we do all know how to fix Windows after all!
>
> --tim
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>   
each has a place.. we all have preferences.. I've fixed screwed up linux 
desktops with windows too LOL

From casey at grlug.org  Fri May  2 15:01:43 2008
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:01:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Local Support for Linux Desktops
Message-ID: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>

Hello LUG,

During the AIM West meeting on Open Source someone asked if anyone
knew of a local vendor that offered support for Linux Desktops and no
one knew of any.

Does anyone on the list offer Linux support or know of anyone that does?

Casey

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri May  2 15:10:14 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:10:14 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG]  Local Support for Linux Desktops
In-Reply-To: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18459.26390.148829.991494@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

They might check GPC.  I know that a few months ago they were trying
out selling Ubuntu-loaded machines.  I have not heard how this
experiment went and whether they are still doing it.  I may even be
able to claim partial credit for the suggestion.

-- 
John Foerch

Casey DuBois writes:
 > Hello LUG,
 > 
 > During the AIM West meeting on Open Source someone asked if anyone
 > knew of a local vendor that offered support for Linux Desktops and no
 > one knew of any.
 > 
 > Does anyone on the list offer Linux support or know of anyone that does?
 > 
 > Casey
 > _______________________________________________
 > grlug mailing list
 > grlug at grlug.org
 > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From brousch at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:18:12 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:18:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Local Support for Linux Desktops
In-Reply-To: <18459.26390.148829.991494@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<18459.26390.148829.991494@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930805021218s19d33412ic9520232ad4b5bfd@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> They might check GPC.  I know that a few months ago they were trying
> out selling Ubuntu-loaded machines.  I have not heard how this
> experiment went and whether they are still doing it.  I may even be
> able to claim partial credit for the suggestion.
>

I heard a rumor that GPC has been sold to a new owner, so past experience
with GPC may no longer apply. I have not been down there to check it out
since I heard about the sale.
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From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:21:04 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:21:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <4982.69.11.205.103.1209652814.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<005e01c8aae2$6fb1c030$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I found why cause BSOD, it was video card's RAM that was
underclock, for example, video card ram speed supposed be 1100mhz
instead 1000mhz, so it was along GPU RAM  issue

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM,  <networkman at triton.net> wrote:
> Apologies, Professor, if you took offense at any of my comments.
>
> The fact of the matter is, I am still primarily a Windows person, and yes,
> I play a number of games too, primarily the "Rainbow Six Three" series,
> most recently "Vegas", and while I've not seen any BSOD errors, I do
> encounter in-game errors related to my ATI video card(in XP Pro, latest
> drivers and patches, yada yada).
>
> But, gamer or no, I still wouldn't take my Microsoft Windows issues to a
> Linux Users Group for support.  I've no doubt that there are some very
> talented individuals in this group - in fact, I've already seen that in
> the work they've done and tried to provide thus far with the IPAQ & the
> Geexbox software.  Still, those skills in a totally different OS may not
> cross-over to games designed to run in another totally different OS.
>
> If you want to find support for Vista & gaming, I suggest you let your
> fingers do the walking as it were and let Google or some other search be
> your friend for a while.  Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and any number of
> others sites have tons of forums geared specifically to your issues.  Use
> them.
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
>
> > thank you godwin, that's what I was look for help, most insult me
> > about it, but only 3 helped me
> >
> > reason why people insult me because they have no idea how I felt about
> > BSOD while I am gamer
>
> < SNIP! >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
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Professor Inuyasha

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:23:48 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:23:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<005e01c8aae2$6fb1c030$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
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	<aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8ba6540805021223x96e990cs6fc85c2476710543@mail.gmail.com>

good job.  i dont think I would've found that.

From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:26:35 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:26:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <ef8ba6540805021223x96e990cs6fc85c2476710543@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>
	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4982.69.11.205.103.1209652814.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>
	<aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8ba6540805021223x96e990cs6fc85c2476710543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805021226p428d07b6v1ca2d14562107fd1@mail.gmail.com>

for your info in future of windows

IF video card's memory speed under manufacturer's speed, then you must
overclock it by automatically or manually

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> good job.  i dont think I would've found that.
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
------------------
Professor Inuyasha

From grlugcasey at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:28:57 2008
From: grlugcasey at gmail.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:28:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Local Support for Linux Desktops
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930805021218s19d33412ic9520232ad4b5bfd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<18459.26390.148829.991494@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<d92a2d930805021218s19d33412ic9520232ad4b5bfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0ffba670805021228x685d6954n724e08181f27027a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > They might check GPC.  I know that a few months ago they were trying
> > out selling Ubuntu-loaded machines.  I have not heard how this
> > experiment went and whether they are still doing it.  I may even be
> > able to claim partial credit for the suggestion.
> >
>
> I heard a rumor that GPC has been sold to a new owner, so past experience
> with GPC may no longer apply. I have not been down there to check it out
> since I heard about the sale.
>
>


Update -
I just spoke with the new owner of GPC and he was not sure.
His tech will call me to discuss.

C

From grlug at tankrip.com  Fri May  2 15:29:07 2008
From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:29:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Test
Message-ID: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>

Just sending a test email.  No need to reply from anyone, I'll see it  
hit the list if it works properly.  I switched my email address after  
all the cruft this week.  Let's just say I'll won't be paying  
attention as closely anymore. 

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:41:10 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:41:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Local Support for Linux Desktops
In-Reply-To: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805021241h73ba0740yc1c425865f6829a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
> Hello LUG,
>
>  During the AIM West meeting on Open Source someone asked if anyone
>  knew of a local vendor that offered support for Linux Desktops and no
>  one knew of any.
>
>  Does anyone on the list offer Linux support or know of anyone that does?
>
>  Casey

There's the Linux Box, but they're out of Detroit (I think).  They
advertise on Michigan Radio.

http://www.linuxbox.com/tiki/

Hmm...Pretty spiffy appearance for tikiwiki.  I should rework my wiki's theme.
-- 
:wq

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri May  2 15:42:29 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:42:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>
References: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>
Message-ID: <1209757349.27450.0.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> Just sending a test email.  No need to reply from anyone, I'll see it  
> hit the list if it works properly.  I switched my email address after  
> all the cruft this week.  Let's just say I'll won't be paying  
> attention as closely anymore. 

What did you write? I didn't hear you. Could you write louder please? I
was paying close attention.
-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
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From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:46:20 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:46:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <1209757349.27450.0.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>
	<1209757349.27450.0.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805021246h50fba998p6f340acf27356538@mail.gmail.com>

Can you please go store buy jackhammer subwoofer and get it connect to
stereo system then grab microphone and repeat what you said :)

I sitll cant hear you.....no matter if jackhammer subwoofer can try

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> > Just sending a test email.  No need to reply from anyone, I'll see it
> > hit the list if it works properly.  I switched my email address after
> > all the cruft this week.  Let's just say I'll won't be paying
> > attention as closely anymore.
>
> What did you write? I didn't hear you. Could you write louder please? I
> was paying close attention.
> --
> greg at gregfolkert.net
> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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------------------
Professor Inuyasha

From drehfeldtusa at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:48:10 2008
From: drehfeldtusa at gmail.com (Douglas Rehfeldt)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:48:10 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] RE to: Need help to stop BSOD - Solution
In-Reply-To: <mailman.788.1209755333.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
References: <mailman.788.1209755333.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
Message-ID: <1209757691.6697.12.camel@redtop>

Professor Inuyasha,

I'm glad that you found a solution to your problem.  Even more so, I'm
happy that you posted your fix to this list.  If the solution only helps
one more person, and that person helps one more...well, you get idea.
And it was nice to see some more life in this list.  Finally, I hope I
never have to ask about video problems for my onboard 32MB video
processor when playing pong_curses.   :)  

-- 
Best regards,

Douglas Rehfeldt
e-mail:  douglas.rehfeldt at gmail.com


From adderd at kkmfg.com  Fri May  2 15:57:29 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:57:29 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <aecf8abe0805021226p428d07b6v1ca2d14562107fd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>	<aecf8abe0804300956p4c1b43ffl808ea97bbcb202c1@mail.gmail.com>	<001f01c8aae4$26107fa0$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>	<4982.69.11.205.103.1209652814.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>	<aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>	<ef8ba6540805021223x96e990cs6fc85c2476710543@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805021226p428d07b6v1ca2d14562107fd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B7229.3020405@kkmfg.com>

This seems rather odd though. I've heard of system problems with OVER 
clocked video cards but never underclocked. In fact, my video card auto 
throttles the clock speeds when you aren't using it for anything really 
important. So this is a new one to me.

Professor Inuyasha wrote:
> for your info in future of windows
>
> IF video card's memory speed under manufacturer's speed, then you must
> overclock it by automatically or manually
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> good job.  i dont think I would've found that.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri May  2 16:03:34 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:03:34 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Need help to stop BSOD
In-Reply-To: <481B7229.3020405@kkmfg.com>
References: <aecf8abe0804300906i18c485b8oa4e0e0f2170a16@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0804301005l5aa545c5o924032b51d5c6f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209594290.3965.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10804302129v6d7d87f3v98fffae621e1b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805010531h46c09056tc5335132a54fe1e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4982.69.11.205.103.1209652814.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>
	<aecf8abe0805021221q554acab1n964f7152d17ea3a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8ba6540805021223x96e990cs6fc85c2476710543@mail.gmail.com>
	<aecf8abe0805021226p428d07b6v1ca2d14562107fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B7229.3020405@kkmfg.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805021303o1ea23e64p196c72fc68c396c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Collin <adderd at kkmfg.com> wrote:
> This seems rather odd though. I've heard of system problems with OVER
>  clocked video cards but never underclocked. In fact, my video card auto
>  throttles the clock speeds when you aren't using it for anything really
>  important. So this is a new one to me.

If the GPU was expecting a certain maximum latency proportional to its
own clock speed, then if the memory's speed wasn't sufficiently
increased to meet that latency requirement, problems would likely
result.


-- 
:wq

From adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com  Fri May  2 16:07:23 2008
From: adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:07:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Local Support for Linux Desktops
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450805021241h73ba0740yc1c425865f6829a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0ffba670805021201w304f7581s677622d71c9a1e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5e00c450805021241h73ba0740yc1c425865f6829a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

> >  During the AIM West meeting on Open Source someone asked if anyone
> >  knew of a local vendor that offered support for Linux Desktops and no
> >  one knew of any.
> >  Does anyone on the list offer Linux support or know of anyone that does?

Define "support"?

> There's the Linux Box, but they're out of Detroit (I think).  They
> advertise on Michigan Radio.

I've seen a couple of presentations by Linux Box people.  It seems like
a very top-notch and high-end organization.  My *impression* is that
most of their work is server oriented (lots of Kerberos & AFS work).

The presentations I saw are both available form their site:
<http://linuxbox.com/drupal/files/downloads/tco-kalamazoo-itech.pdf> &
<http://linuxbox.com/drupal/files/downloads/LIDS.pdf>

> http://www.linuxbox.com/tiki/
> Hmm...Pretty spiffy appearance for tikiwiki.  I should rework my wiki's theme.
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams, Network & Systems Administrator
Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com
Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org


From jtr at jrichards.org  Fri May  2 16:20:32 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:20:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>
References: <9AF1B1DF-E84B-4BC1-B223-2343675EFBDC@tankrip.com>
Message-ID: <20080502202032.GA16780@jrichards.org>

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:29:07PM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> Just sending a test email.  No need to reply from anyone, I'll see it  
> hit the list if it works properly.  I switched my email address after  
> all the cruft this week.  Let's just say I'll won't be paying  
> attention as closely anymore. 

Please understand the following questions for what they are and no more.
It is my attempt to understand human behavior more clearly.  There is no
malice or ill will or backhanded reprimand intended.  There is no spite
or ruffled feathers or anything of the sort.  I am genuinely puzzled by
your email.

If the "cruft" on this list bothers you so much, why did you
resubscribe?  Also, if you did not wish for a reply to your "test" why
did you include the last two sentences in your email?  What, exactly,
are you testing?
-- 
john-thomas
------
A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a
sign of weakness and malady.
Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:52:45 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:52:45 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] RE to: Need help to stop BSOD - Solution
In-Reply-To: <1209757691.6697.12.camel@redtop>
References: <mailman.788.1209755333.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
	<1209757691.6697.12.camel@redtop>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805021252r205a6a69v9a369b264dd1f4c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Douglas Rehfeldt <drehfeldtusa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Professor Inuyasha,
>
>  I'm glad that you found a solution to your problem.  Even more so, I'm
>  happy that you posted your fix to this list.  If the solution only helps
>  one more person, and that person helps one more...well, you get idea.
>  And it was nice to see some more life in this list.  Finally, I hope I
>  never have to ask about video problems for my onboard 32MB video
>  processor when playing pong_curses.   :)

You've *got* to try AALib Quake on a GeForce 8600 GT... It's pure bliss.

-- 
:wq

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Sat May  3 00:23:40 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:23:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>

Totally ripped from here:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2765/ubuntu_enable_dvd_playback

sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh

Ah, I remember the days, many a moon a go, when getting DVD playback
was one ugly hack...  ;-)

cheers,
G-

-- 

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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Sat May  3 07:34:32 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:34:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:23 -0400, Godwin wrote:
> Totally ripped from here:
> http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2765/ubuntu_enable_dvd_playback
> 
> sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
> 
> Ah, I remember the days, many a moon a go, when getting DVD playback
> was one ugly hack...  ;-)

Or if on debian, you have debian-multimedia.org setup

apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3

maxime:/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3# dpkg -L libdvdread3
/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/copyright
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/TODO
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3.2.1
/usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3

All done.

-- 
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From geektoyz at gmail.com  Sat May  3 12:01:57 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:01:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting... "install-css.sh" not there in Debian.  :-(

G-


On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
>
>  On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:23 -0400, Godwin wrote:
>  > Totally ripped from here:
>  > http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2765/ubuntu_enable_dvd_playback
>  >
>  > sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
>  > sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
>  >
>  > Ah, I remember the days, many a moon a go, when getting DVD playback
>  > was one ugly hack...  ;-)
>
>  Or if on debian, you have debian-multimedia.org setup
>
>
>  apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
>
>  maxime:/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3# dpkg -L libdvdread3
>  /.
>  /usr
>  /usr/share
>  /usr/share/doc
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.gz
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/copyright
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/TODO
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
>  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.Debian.gz
>  /usr/lib
>  /usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3.2.1
>  /usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3
>
>  All done.
>
>  --
>  greg at gregfolkert.net
>  PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
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From geektoyz at gmail.com  Sat May  3 12:03:11 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:03:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805030903o1b93c450sf1d09fdd734d831@mail.gmail.com>

Ooh!  Debian ::  http://bash.cyberciti.biz/desktop/install-libdvdcss/

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting... "install-css.sh" not there in Debian.  :-(
>
>  G-
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
>  >
>  >  On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:23 -0400, Godwin wrote:
>  >  > Totally ripped from here:
>  >  > http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2765/ubuntu_enable_dvd_playback
>  >  >
>  >  > sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
>  >  > sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
>  >  >
>  >  > Ah, I remember the days, many a moon a go, when getting DVD playback
>  >  > was one ugly hack...  ;-)
>  >
>  >  Or if on debian, you have debian-multimedia.org setup
>  >
>  >
>  >  apt-get install totem-xine libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdread3
>  >
>  >  maxime:/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3# dpkg -L libdvdread3
>  >  /.
>  >  /usr
>  >  /usr/share
>  >  /usr/share/doc
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.gz
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/copyright
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/TODO
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
>  >  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/changelog.Debian.gz
>  >  /usr/lib
>  >  /usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3.2.1
>  >  /usr/lib/libdvdread.so.3
>  >
>  >  All done.
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  greg at gregfolkert.net
>  >  PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>  >  Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
>  >  Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
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>  >
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> >
>
>
>
>  --
>
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>



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From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 12:10:04 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:10:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his old
inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont know
much about this but I would guess he would need to get
a new Jack and solder it on, something I know nothing
about. Googling I found the following: 

http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html

Any ideas to get it repaired?  

From timschmidt at gmail.com  Sat May  3 12:18:03 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:18:03 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:10 PM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his old
>  inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont know
>  much about this but I would guess he would need to get
>  a new Jack and solder it on, something I know nothing
>  about. Googling I found the following:
>
>  http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html
>
>  Any ideas to get it repaired?

Invest in a quality soldering iron.  Like this one:

http://www.all-spec.com/1/viewitem/WES51/ALLSPEC/prodinfo/w3path=cat

Ladyada recommends it here: http://www.ladyada.net/library/equipt/

I've worked with two, and I have to say that they'll allow a novice
fairly excellent results.  $30 Radio shack irons are nowhere near as
forgiving.

--tim

From mikemol at gmail.com  Sat May  3 13:18:27 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:18:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805031018i356b59e1v465baf3ec2f7b68f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:10 PM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his old
>  inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont know
>  much about this but I would guess he would need to get
>  a new Jack and solder it on, something I know nothing
>  about. Googling I found the following:
>
>  http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html
>
>  Any ideas to get it repaired?

It's a tricky, tricky job.  I've had it happen on three laptops.  Each
time, I had it fixed by a different person.  Two out of the three were
successful, but one laptop wound up junked.

It's an easy job to royally mess up; I wouldn't touch it if you don't
have a reasonable amount of experience with soldering.

OTOH, I can ask a guy I trust (one who didn't break a laptop) if he'd
be willing to fix it for a fee.  He was the guy I had doing laptop
repair at the GRCC PC Clinic, but, for liability reasons, GRCC is
clamping down on students doing internal repairs on PCs.

-- 
:wq

From jeffd at i2k.com  Sat May  3 13:13:11 2008
From: jeffd at i2k.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:13:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080503171311.GA27328@blorp.plorb.com>

On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 12:01:57PM -0400, Godwin wrote:
> Interesting... "install-css.sh" not there in Debian.  :-(

debian-multimedia.org has a libdvdcss2 package.  It's even suggested 
when you install libdvdread3.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>

From jtr at jrichards.org  Sat May  3 14:49:02 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:49:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>

On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 04:18:03PM +0000, Tim Schmidt wrote:
[snip]
> I've worked with two, and I have to say that they'll allow a novice
> fairly excellent results.  $30 Radio shack irons are nowhere near as
> forgiving.

In what sense can a soldering iron be "forgiving?"  I am sure I am
showing my ignorance, but a soldering iron gets hot enough to melt
solder, right?  What is the scope of forgiveness here?
-- 
john-thomas
------
In times when the government imprisons any unjustly, the true place for
a just man is also the prison.
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

From timschmidt at gmail.com  Sat May  3 14:53:26 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:53:26 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805031153r75f75far3a7cd1c8985e5245@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM, john-thomas richards <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
>  In what sense can a soldering iron be "forgiving?"  I am sure I am
>  showing my ignorance, but a soldering iron gets hot enough to melt
>  solder, right?  What is the scope of forgiveness here?

There are HUGE differences.  I won't claim to know what all of them
are, as I'm a novice myself...  all I can tell you is that I've owned
a few $15 cheapies, and worked with a $35 model, and two of the
Wellers, and the wellers are the only ones I've (with my limited
experience) been able to consistently get good results with.

--tim

From tehpopa at gmail.com  Sat May  3 20:05:51 2008
From: tehpopa at gmail.com (Justin Popa)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:05:51 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <ca1715f80805031705o447f94eexbbb9856b8224587d@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest difference between the $15 or $50 cheapies at RS, and a decent
Weller unit is as follows:

1) Adjustable temperature
2) Swap different tips in and out


That's the biggest advantage. Sure the $50 RS unit is adjustable, but you'll
see that they usually carry only 1-2 styles of tips. On that note as well,
small soldering(thinking surface mount) require far finer tips than the ones
you can get at RS.

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:49 PM, john-thomas richards <jtr at jrichards.org>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 04:18:03PM +0000, Tim Schmidt wrote:
> [snip]
> > I've worked with two, and I have to say that they'll allow a novice
> > fairly excellent results.  $30 Radio shack irons are nowhere near as
> > forgiving.
>
> In what sense can a soldering iron be "forgiving?"  I am sure I am
> showing my ignorance, but a soldering iron gets hot enough to melt
> solder, right?  What is the scope of forgiveness here?
> --
> john-thomas
> ------
> In times when the government imprisons any unjustly, the true place for
> a just man is also the prison.
> Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
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From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 22:56:28 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450805031018i356b59e1v465baf3ec2f7b68f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <988195.54791.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

They shut it down for liability reasons?  That seems
odd. I think they still have an auto repair area. . .

If he wants to provide a quote for it Ill run it past
my brother, otherwise he'll probably mail it to some
guy in MN.

I need soldering lessons and tools :).  I havent
soldered since I played with telephone wires when I
was younger.  Looks like many good recommendations on
the thread.

--- Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:10 PM, John Harig
> <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his
> old
> >  inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont
> know
> >  much about this but I would guess he would need
> to get
> >  a new Jack and solder it on, something I know
> nothing
> >  about. Googling I found the following:
> >
> > 
>
http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html
> >
> >  Any ideas to get it repaired?
> 
> It's a tricky, tricky job.  I've had it happen on
> three laptops.  Each
> time, I had it fixed by a different person.  Two out
> of the three were
> successful, but one laptop wound up junked.
> 
> It's an easy job to royally mess up; I wouldn't
> touch it if you don't
> have a reasonable amount of experience with
> soldering.
> 
> OTOH, I can ask a guy I trust (one who didn't break
> a laptop) if he'd
> be willing to fix it for a fee.  He was the guy I
> had doing laptop
> repair at the GRCC PC Clinic, but, for liability
> reasons, GRCC is
> clamping down on students doing internal repairs on
> PCs.
> 
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sat May  3 23:22:56 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:22:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <988195.54791.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <f5e00c450805031018i356b59e1v465baf3ec2f7b68f@mail.gmail.com>
	<988195.54791.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805032022o744482ecv2f691e9f6d68d215@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> They shut it down for liability reasons?  That seems
>  odd. I think they still have an auto repair area. . .

It's not entirely shut down, but they're now more limited in what
they're allowed to do.

>
>  If he wants to provide a quote for it Ill run it past
>  my brother, otherwise he'll probably mail it to some
>  guy in MN.
>
>  I need soldering lessons and tools :).  I havent
>  soldered since I played with telephone wires when I
>  was younger.  Looks like many good recommendations on
>  the thread.
>
>
>
>  --- Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:10 PM, John Harig
>  > <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > > Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his
>  > old
>  > >  inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont
>  > know
>  > >  much about this but I would guess he would need
>  > to get
>  > >  a new Jack and solder it on, something I know
>  > nothing
>  > >  about. Googling I found the following:
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html
>  > >
>  > >  Any ideas to get it repaired?
>  >
>  > It's a tricky, tricky job.  I've had it happen on
>  > three laptops.  Each
>  > time, I had it fixed by a different person.  Two out
>  > of the three were
>  > successful, but one laptop wound up junked.
>  >
>  > It's an easy job to royally mess up; I wouldn't
>  > touch it if you don't
>  > have a reasonable amount of experience with
>  > soldering.
>  >
>  > OTOH, I can ask a guy I trust (one who didn't break
>  > a laptop) if he'd
>  > be willing to fix it for a fee.  He was the guy I
>  > had doing laptop
>  > repair at the GRCC PC Clinic, but, for liability
>  > reasons, GRCC is
>  > clamping down on students doing internal repairs on
>  > PCs.
>  >
>  > --
>  > :wq
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
>  > grlug mailing list
>  > grlug at grlug.org
>  >
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>  >
>
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>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sat May  3 23:29:11 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:29:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <988195.54791.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <f5e00c450805031018i356b59e1v465baf3ec2f7b68f@mail.gmail.com>
	<988195.54791.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450805032029l5b626540ncab234a8dcffdb93@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> They shut it down for liability reasons?  That seems
>  odd. I think they still have an auto repair area. . .
>
>  If he wants to provide a quote for it Ill run it past
>  my brother, otherwise he'll probably mail it to some
>  guy in MN.

I forwarded your earlier email to him.  I'm copying him this one, too.

>
>  I need soldering lessons and tools :).  I havent
>  soldered since I played with telephone wires when I
>  was younger.  Looks like many good recommendations on
>  the thread.
>
>
>
>  --- Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:10 PM, John Harig
>  > <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > > Hi my brother is suffering a loose AC jack on his
>  > old
>  > >  inspiron 5150 laptop so it wont charge. I dont
>  > know
>  > >  much about this but I would guess he would need
>  > to get
>  > >  a new Jack and solder it on, something I know
>  > nothing
>  > >  about. Googling I found the following:
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  http://pomeroycomputing.blogspot.com/2007/10/dell-inspiron-5150.html
>  > >
>  > >  Any ideas to get it repaired?
>  >
>  > It's a tricky, tricky job.  I've had it happen on
>  > three laptops.  Each
>  > time, I had it fixed by a different person.  Two out
>  > of the three were
>  > successful, but one laptop wound up junked.
>  >
>  > It's an easy job to royally mess up; I wouldn't
>  > touch it if you don't
>  > have a reasonable amount of experience with
>  > soldering.
>  >
>  > OTOH, I can ask a guy I trust (one who didn't break
>  > a laptop) if he'd
>  > be willing to fix it for a fee.  He was the guy I
>  > had doing laptop
>  > repair at the GRCC PC Clinic, but, for liability
>  > reasons, GRCC is
>  > clamping down on students doing internal repairs on
>  > PCs.
>  >
>  > --
>  > :wq
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
>  > grlug mailing list
>  > grlug at grlug.org
>  >
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>  >
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From geektoyz at gmail.com  Sun May  4 01:25:40 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:25:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <20080503171311.GA27328@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503171311.GA27328@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805032225r1b5db41ej69cb5e6858b2fcd5@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, tre' kewl.

G-

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 12:01:57PM -0400, Godwin wrote:
>  > Interesting... "install-css.sh" not there in Debian.  :-(
>
>  debian-multimedia.org has a libdvdcss2 package.  It's even suggested
>  when you install libdvdread3.
>
>  --
>  Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>  grlug at grlug.org
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Sun May  4 10:41:15 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:41:15 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <ca1715f80805031705o447f94eexbbb9856b8224587d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
	<ca1715f80805031705o447f94eexbbb9856b8224587d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0805040741j116b078bm2a9a19611bb3ba1b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Justin Popa <tehpopa at gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest difference between the $15 or $50 cheapies at RS, and a decent
> Weller unit is as follows:
>
> 1) Adjustable temperature
> 2) Swap different tips in and out

It's not just that...  at least the weller tip seems to stay tinned
for MUCH longer than the RS units - probably made out of a different
material.  Also, the weller seems to have much less of a problem
maintaining a steady temperature - even while pouring heat into big
joints.  Those two things alone made a giant difference for some of my
first projects.

--tim

From adderd at kkmfg.com  Mon May  5 07:54:21 2008
From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 07:54:21 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Email overload
In-Reply-To: <1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
References: <4818CA6A.8060205@kkmfg.com>
	<1209659578.30546.186.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
Message-ID: <481EF56D.3010904@kkmfg.com>

  A follow up to the discussion on this:

I just saw on /. that they were talking about this same thing. Here is a 
link to a post talking about how to filter out backscatter while still 
allowing legit bounces to get through:

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=543134&cid=23298538

Essentially, the idea is to add a custom header to all emails you send. 
Then only accept bounce messages which have the custom header in them. 
This seems like a good plan to me.

From tehpopa at gmail.com  Mon May  5 09:18:35 2008
From: tehpopa at gmail.com (Justin Popa)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:18:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Loose AC jack on Dell laptop repair
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0805040741j116b078bm2a9a19611bb3ba1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1209758843.5393.12.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
	<596323.53377.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805030918l39999d8ek39a7571e6a770fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503184902.GA25645@jrichards.org>
	<ca1715f80805031705o447f94eexbbb9856b8224587d@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0805040741j116b078bm2a9a19611bb3ba1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca1715f80805050618x2cb67e83m9e54dbee2da99521@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I didn't go that in depth, because my two reasons to own a weller are
above. It's really handy to have a tip that can do surface mount in the
event that you ever have to replace a smd component. However, you also have
a great point. I've used mine for a few small projects, and a dozens of
simple fixes over the years, and I've only had to replace a tip once I
think.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Justin Popa <tehpopa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The biggest difference between the $15 or $50 cheapies at RS, and a
> decent
> > Weller unit is as follows:
> >
> > 1) Adjustable temperature
> > 2) Swap different tips in and out
>
> It's not just that...  at least the weller tip seems to stay tinned
> for MUCH longer than the RS units - probably made out of a different
> material.  Also, the weller seems to have much less of a problem
> maintaining a steady temperature - even while pouring heat into big
> joints.  Those two things alone made a giant difference for some of my
> first projects.
>
> --tim
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Mon May  5 11:51:48 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:51:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] DVD playing in Ubuntu (quick how-to)
In-Reply-To: <20080503171311.GA27328@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805022123i3b068e68g8eaff3a3ceb18484@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209814472.29305.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<8b72b8d10805030901i2ce945aam1f4fb2139fe9ad71@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080503171311.GA27328@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <1210002708.6210.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

I have suggests automagically turned on for install. Sorry, I shoulda
clarified that.


On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 13:13 -0400, Jeff DeFouw wrote:
> On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 12:01:57PM -0400, Godwin wrote:
> > Interesting... "install-css.sh" not there in Debian.  :-(
> 
> debian-multimedia.org has a libdvdcss2 package.  It's even suggested 
> when you install libdvdread3.
> 
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From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Tue May  6 11:43:47 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:43:47 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some advice/comment
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0805060843w6d3dc534j441d1c310676d656@mail.gmail.com>

I was think about give some comment to GRLUG member, I dont care if
they against me but I want to say

1: When I asked GRLUG for help with BSOD, I know I emailed at wrong place.
Question: IF I ASKED WRONG PLACE
Advice: Dont be angry and blaming on their operation system, just
GUIDE them to right place from wrong place.
Comment: Few people blamed me about Vista (I am not tell you who did,
it is against policy for tell who)

and I have one thing to say for GRLUG

most of GRLUG think Linux is best than Windows, I know it is but...

Any of OS can get BSOD
Linux bsod: http://www.miguelcarrasco.net/miguelcarrasco/WindowsLiveWriter/LinuxCrashTop10_AAB/linux_crash_1_thumb.jpg

However, NEXT TIME, dont lose your temper when someone asked wrong
place for help, just guide them to right place before you can lose
temper


Joke for you:
IF you lose your temper, I definitely will call firefighter and send
them to see you then grab hose and blow you with cold water that will
cool your temper down :)

P.S. I know my english is not good, but I use American Sign Language
more than English.

-- 
------------------
Professor Inuyasha

From networkman at triton.net  Tue May  6 12:28:50 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:28:50 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some advice/comment
References: <aecf8abe0805060843w6d3dc534j441d1c310676d656@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801c8af96$44f32600$7e0aa8c0@kdl.net>

It would've been nice to have just let this go as was, but since the 
Professor has brought it up again...

You emailed the wrong place for support of a Windows question.  Great - 
we've all figured that out.  Additionally, bad attitudes both by the 
original poster and some of those responding were also present.  Great - got 
that too.

*I* was one of the folks to say that I was NOT running Vista, nor would I 
ever CARE TO at this point, and I cheerfully gladly say it AGAIN RIGHT NOW!! 
And I'm still primarily a Microsoft Windows user/tech!  Vista just doesn't 
offer me anything that I can't already do via the stable and mature product 
in XP Pro.  That may not hold true for some, but it does for me. 
Additionally, nearly every technician I've spoken to has held a similar view 
of Vista, plus it's got problems and shortcomings that far outweigh any of 
the negligible benefits; many of these same techs are spending inordinate 
amounts of time fixing problems that just don't exist in XP Pro with the 
same applications, be they productivity or entertainment related.  Add to 
this the fact that Microsoft is practically shoving Vista down our throats 
with all new systems and you have the makings for very upset technicians and 
support staff, as well as ticked off end-users who can't play their games 
and get equally as upset.  One can then easily understand the reason that 
some would say, "Hey, check out Linux!"  And I'm quite happy they have, 
because it's part of the reason that I'm more seriously looking at it[Linux] 
as an alternative.

Although my attitude at first may not have been the best(for the above 
reason(s)), I did stil choose to be involved and provide additional links to 
resources to assist you with your request.

I'm not following your "joke", but perhaps there is a translation issue 
somewhere along the way.. or maybe some dropped packets.

Rich


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Professor Inuyasha" <profinuyasha at gmail.com>
To: <grlug at grlug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: [GRLUG] Some advice/comment


>I was think about give some comment to GRLUG member, I dont care if
> they against me but I want to say
>
> 1: When I asked GRLUG for help with BSOD, I know I emailed at wrong place.
> Question: IF I ASKED WRONG PLACE
> Advice: Dont be angry and blaming on their operation system, just
> GUIDE them to right place from wrong place.
> Comment: Few people blamed me about Vista (I am not tell you who did,
> it is against policy for tell who)
>
> and I have one thing to say for GRLUG
>
> most of GRLUG think Linux is best than Windows, I know it is but...
>
> Any of OS can get BSOD
> Linux bsod: 
> http://www.miguelcarrasco.net/miguelcarrasco/WindowsLiveWriter/LinuxCrashTop10_AAB/linux_crash_1_thumb.jpg
>
> However, NEXT TIME, dont lose your temper when someone asked wrong
> place for help, just guide them to right place before you can lose
> temper
>
>
> Joke for you:
> IF you lose your temper, I definitely will call firefighter and send
> them to see you then grab hose and blow you with cold water that will
> cool your temper down :)
>
> P.S. I know my english is not good, but I use American Sign Language
> more than English.
>
> -- 
> ------------------
> Professor Inuyasha
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
> 


From geektoyz at gmail.com  Wed May  7 12:38:19 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:38:19 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Split multiplage postscript into individual pages
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>

So, the goal is to take a 500 or so page PS file and split it into 500
individual pages.  I know, you're thinking "dude, easy!  Just type
this:

gs -r600 -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=outfile_%03d.ps -dNOPAUSE
inputfile.ps -c quit

and voila!"

Yeah, but the output is "binary" postscript not "text", so I lose the
ability to search for strings like "John Doe".  Does anyone know how
to split to "text" PS and keep layout/form?

thanks,
G-

-- 

Ubber::Geek
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Wed May  7 13:14:55 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:14:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Split multiplage postscript into individual pages
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1210180495.14999.25.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 12:38 -0400, Godwin wrote:
> So, the goal is to take a 500 or so page PS file and split it into 500
> individual pages.  I know, you're thinking "dude, easy!  Just type
> this:
> 
> gs -r600 -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=outfile_%03d.ps -dNOPAUSE
> inputfile.ps -c quit
> 
> and voila!"
> 
> Yeah, but the output is "binary" postscript not "text", so I lose the
> ability to search for strings like "John Doe".  Does anyone know how
> to split to "text" PS and keep layout/form?

Convert it to 500 - 1 page PDFs and then inline it to "formatted text"?

I'm working on a couple hours of sleep since Monday... so I amy be out
of the ball park.
-- 
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Wed May  7 13:18:02 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:18:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG]  Split multiplage postscript into individual pages
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18465.58442.85366.156638@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Godwin writes:
 > So, the goal is to take a 500 or so page PS file and split it into 500
 > individual pages.  I know, you're thinking "dude, easy!  Just type
 > this:
 > 
 > gs -r600 -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=outfile_%03d.ps -dNOPAUSE
 > inputfile.ps -c quit
 > 
 > and voila!"
 > 
 > Yeah, but the output is "binary" postscript not "text", so I lose the
 > ability to search for strings like "John Doe".  Does anyone know how
 > to split to "text" PS and keep layout/form?
 > 
 > thanks,
 > G-

If you convert your ps to pdf, you can use pdftk:

  pdftk in.pdf burst

-- 
John Foerch

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 13:43:28 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:43:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Split multiplage postscript into individual pages
In-Reply-To: <18465.58442.85366.156638@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
	<18465.58442.85366.156638@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <ef8ba6540805071043o3e203421wf5573ba9412a8656@mail.gmail.com>

or ps2pdf

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Wed May  7 17:36:23 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:36:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Split multiplage postscript into individual pages
In-Reply-To: <ef8ba6540805071043o3e203421wf5573ba9412a8656@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b72b8d10805070938l3a2bcf1at977768fb677f8630@mail.gmail.com>
	<18465.58442.85366.156638@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<ef8ba6540805071043o3e203421wf5573ba9412a8656@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d108