From justin.denick at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 07:27:08 2008
From: justin.denick at gmail.com (Justin Denick)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:08 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] SFLUG Donating Open Source computers to schools
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oops, I thought it was only the labor that was being donated, not the
network. That would diminish my suggestion a bit. I work for a
non-profit, and just the other day received a letter from NAEIR, not
sure who they are, but they claim to be donating $100 Million dollars
worth of Hardware and Software to non profit organizations. I don't
want to post the 800 number here, but contact me off list, and I will
give it to you.

jdenick @ rtl.org

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Casey Dubois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
>
>  On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Joe Vanderstelt
>  <thisboyiscrazy at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > But there are other non profits, Love INC for example, that could use
>  >  them and are not as worried about maintenance.
>  >
>  >  This would be a good project for the GRLUG
>
>  I agree.  But before I can make pitches elsewhere to get volunteers, I
>  need to be able to put together a halfway-decent info packet.  And a
>  little prior planning for the project doesn't hurt, either. :-)
>
>  So, with that in mind, here is a list of things to be addressed:
>  * Where are the PCs coming from?
>
>  I would try to find a quantity of identical machines from a local Business or we could take donations and purchase used systems.
>
>
>  * What will be the minimum performance level for the machines?
>
>  This will be determined by what I can get. (what are the suggested minimum I should look for)?
>
>
>  * Can we get parts to upgrade poorer machines to this minimum?
>
>  I would try to get x-tra systems so we can use some for spare parts.
>
>
>  * What distribution will be installed on *all* of the machines?
>  (Determined by the minimum performance level)
>
>  I was thinking Ubuntu like SFLUG
>
>
>  * Who will want the machines?
>
>  I don't think finding a worthy school or non profit would be an issue I liked the Love Inc idea.
>
>
>  * Can they take care of the machines? How do we ensure that we don't
>  become a maintenance crutch. Or do we want to do support?
>
>  We would prefer someone that can take care of them but if they cannot I believe there would be members that could offer affordable support.
>
>
>  * Where will the install fest work take place?
>
>  I have not checked with the boss yet but was thinking of the install fest here @ N-Vint in Caledonia OR I have a location in Jenison with plenty of room.
>
>
>  For my information packet, I'll need to at least know where the
>  machines are coming from, where they'll be going and where people will
>  need to show up in order to help.
>
>  If the group is interested I can offer the following:
>
>  1. Locate systems
>  2. Transport and store the systems
>  3. Locate homes for them
>  4. Provide Install location
>
>  Casey
>
>  --
>
>
> :wq
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>



-- 
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                -- Pliny

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar  4 10:33:36 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey Dubois)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:33:36 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Hello GRLUG,

I am looking for Topics for next week's meeting...

Any suggestions?

Casey


From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 10:34:29 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:34:29 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Casey Dubois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
> Hello GRLUG,
>
>  I am looking for Topics for next week's meeting...
>
>  Any suggestions?

There's the installfest...

-- 
:wq

From ssurdock at engineered-net.com  Tue Mar  4 16:58:13 2008
From: ssurdock at engineered-net.com (Steven Surdock)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:58:13 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>

It looks like I have baby-sitting duty that night.  However, for future
topics, I use OpenBSD (not quite Linux:-) for a variety of purposes.
One of which is for redundant firewalls.  OpenBSD has a built-in
stateful firewall (PF) with active/active or active/passive stateful
failover, patent unencumbered VRRP (CARP) and built-in IPSec (with
simple configuration language).  I can talk on an implementation and
management.  Per our discussion last month I can also give examples and
uses of Cacti for network and system monitoring.

-Steve S.

grlug-bounces at grlug.org wrote:
> Hello GRLUG,
> 
> I am looking for Topics for next week's meeting...
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Casey
> 
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From thisboyiscrazy at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 10:43:31 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:43:31 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
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References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>
Message-ID: <cea1322a0803050743t68836c63q1c2b7d6dc36f96eb@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is not Linux releated but are there any good OpenBSD based
firewall distros?

I am currently using pfSence but that is based on FreeBSD.

Also does any know of any Linux / BSD firewall distro that truely supports IPv6?

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Steven Surdock
<ssurdock at engineered-net.com> wrote:
> It looks like I have baby-sitting duty that night.  However, for future
>  topics, I use OpenBSD (not quite Linux:-) for a variety of purposes.
>  One of which is for redundant firewalls.  OpenBSD has a built-in
>  stateful firewall (PF) with active/active or active/passive stateful
>  failover, patent unencumbered VRRP (CARP) and built-in IPSec (with
>  simple configuration language).  I can talk on an implementation and
>  management.  Per our discussion last month I can also give examples and
>  uses of Cacti for network and system monitoring.
>
>  -Steve S.
>
>
>
>  grlug-bounces at grlug.org wrote:
>  > Hello GRLUG,
>  >
>  > I am looking for Topics for next week's meeting...
>  >
>  > Any suggestions?
>  >
>  > Casey
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > grlug mailing list
>  > grlug at grlug.org
>  > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Wed Mar  5 12:10:08 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:10:08 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
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References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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Message-ID: <1204737008.11661.34.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 10:43 -0500, Joe Vanderstelt wrote:
> I know this is not Linux releated but are there any good OpenBSD based
> firewall distros?
> 
> I am currently using pfSence but that is based on FreeBSD.
> 
> Also does any know of any Linux / BSD firewall distro that truely supports IPv6?

For the foreseeable future, IPv6 is a lame dog in the race. (like 5-7
years minimum)

IPv6 has significant obstacles to yet overcome. It has problems like:

        IPv6 being tunneled via IPv4 links (universally, with
        exceptions)
        IPv6 prefixes aren't even fully agreed upon
        IPv6 will add about a ka-jillion GB of data to the routing
        tables in current form and thinking

One the good side though:
        IPv6 is TRULY supported by Linux and BSDs out of the box

The reason that you are not seeing TRUE IPv6 support for firewalls is
that at this point IPv6 is really ONLY on Internet2 and even then
Michnet is doing Tunneling over IPv4 for that connectivity to various
Research departments of universities.

You can take all of you pfSense rules and put them in the floowing
program and it'll make thing.

Wait pfSense? "pf" *IS* OpenBSD, "ipfilter" is FreeBSD...


Well, I have one thing to say:

        Use fwbuilder

http://www.fwbuilder.org/

It supports

      * iptables (multiple version knowledge for more advanced stuff for
        later versions)
      * ipfw
      * ipfilter
      * pf
      * PIX
      * FWSM

and the follwoing related OSes for them (apropos OS for apropos
filtering tech)

      * FreeBSD
      * OpenBSD
      * Linux (2.4.X and 2.6.X)
      * Cisco FWSM
      * Cisco PIX
      * Mac OSX
      * Solaris
      * Linksys/Sveasoft

Third party extensions are also available. Some being integrated into
fwbuilder. If you write a policy kit for it, say for another firewall
product... it should just work.

It got tons of predefined services and host types, networks and other
stuff.

One feature that won me over was that fact that one customer of mine was
using a Cisco PIX, I created the whole rules set in fwbuilder.

They eventually decided to change to a Linux firewall (at my bidding)
and all I had to do was change the OS and policy kit used and everything
was generated and good to go.

So in summary:

Just build a small cheap OpenBSD box and generate your rules with
fwbuilder, export the "script" install it and run it. Doesn't really
matter what distro you run.
-- 
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From ndrier at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 17:52:41 2008
From: ndrier at gmail.com (Nathan)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:52:41 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
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On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:10 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> For the foreseeable future, IPv6 is a lame dog in the race. (like 5-7
> years minimum)

##Snip##

Isn't the Government mandating that all its networks,  and the networks
of its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?


From verduin at ameritech.net  Wed Mar  5 18:09:38 2008
From: verduin at ameritech.net (George (Skip) VerDuin)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:09:38 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Tonight's meeting
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Nice addition to the wiki Benjamin, I've benefited from the links
several times.

On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 10:40 -0500, Benjamin Flanders wrote:
> I am not a wiki god, but for some reason I was able to create an
> account and I am able to edit the wiki.  
You are standing closer to wiki god than I am -- creating a login for
myself as failed quite completely.

> With that in mind I have
> added a page for the meeting from last night. Please add to it because
> the links I put on it are just from memory.
> 
> http://wiki.grlug.org/index.php?title=2008-02-21#Topics_Covered
> 
When you did that, you DID what I THOUGHT about doing.  I believe you
created a better page than I could have as well.  WIN-WIN?

> 
Perhaps you have taken an important step toward an active wiki for
GRLUG.  I have been dragging my feet at answering notes on this thread
to see how it would develop.  Based on the forum response, there seems
to be little "perception of great need" from the membership, but a few
things to do to scratch a small itch.

Summary:
1) put wiki software into a routine update procedure
2) open up content editing permission (especially members)
3) make formal effort to have someone (plural?) at meeting do what you
did last meeting for future meetings
4) Cull the material on special pages for all users 

Someday I can participate in 3), but wiki god needs to address 1) 2) and
4) on the list (even if the labor is delegated)?  

Warmest regards from here,
George


From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 19:38:33 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:38:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Opportunity to promote Linux to Vice President of a Company
Message-ID: <29156.29134.qm@web80414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Quick question:  Can anyone suggest links to studies
or data to help convince corporate heads to adopt open
source / linux solutions for the company? (Especially
studies/articles about saving $$$$ with linux over
windows)

Background:

I'm not an IT person, I just use Linux/BSD because it
is  practical for my personal use and great fun and
the best OS alternatives out there.  (Minimal virus
risks are a plus too) 

All the IT people at my company are the die-hard
Windoze certified sort who laugh me off as an open
source freak because I insisted that if they could not
let me install linux, that they at least let me
install open source ports of the programs I like to
use.

The other day the corporate VP came by and advised us
that we could email ideas to save money.  Normally my
open source ideas wouldn't have a chance to get past
Tech Support Level 2, but I think this might be a
small possibility of opportunity.  

I know we touch on it often in meetings, but how do
you successfully convince a non-technical windows VP
corporate head to switch over to linux?

This is my basic plan (keeping it short and simple).

First suggest that Open Office be implemented in a
testing phase on the existing windows computers to
replace M$ Office.

Then, after outlining the savings in the cost of
licensing fees for the Office Applications, I would
suggest cost savings over Windows, advising of the
imminent support death of Win XP in a year, and the
pending hardware upgrades that Vista would require.

I would love to hear about things that seemed to work
to sell linux/open source to corporate heads. I'm
still young and idealistic and think that because
something makes more sense that people would naturally
just do it, which, I have already discovered, isn't at
all how the corporate world works.

Maybe studies showing have open source would allow
them more time to play golf would be the most helpful
. . . 

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar  6 09:07:51 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey Dubois)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:07:51 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <1204757561.5849.7.camel@natie>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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Topics:

1. IPv6

Casey



On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:10 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> For the foreseeable future, IPv6 is a lame dog in the race. (like 5-7
> years minimum)

##Snip##

Isn't the Government mandating that all its networks,  and the networks
of its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?

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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 11:00:19 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:00:19 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAB01@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>	<cea1322a0803050743t68836c63q1c2b7d6dc36f96eb@mail.gmail.com>	<1204737008.11661.34.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>	<1204757561.5849.7.camel@natie>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAB01@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <47D01513.8030901@gmail.com>

Casey,

Did you want a demo of a nomachine client and server install? I can 
probably have a vm installed so I wouldn't need network.

Steve

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar  6 11:12:14 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey Dubois)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:12:14 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <47D01513.8030901@gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>
	<cea1322a0803050743t68836c63q1c2b7d6dc36f96eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204737008.11661.34.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<1204757561.5849.7.camel@natie>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAB01@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47D01513.8030901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CABAE@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Steve,
That would be great.
I was actually going to ask if you could.

Casey

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Romanow [mailto:slestak989 at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:00 AM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting

Casey,

Did you want a demo of a nomachine client and server install? I can
probably have a vm installed so I wouldn't need network.

Steve
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 11:11:41 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:11:41 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CABAE@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>	<cea1322a0803050743t68836c63q1c2b7d6dc36f96eb@mail.gmail.com>	<1204737008.11661.34.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>	<1204757561.5849.7.camel@natie>	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAB01@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<47D01513.8030901@gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CABAE@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <47D017BD.9080906@gmail.com>

Casey Dubois wrote:
> Steve,
> That would be great.
> I was actually going to ask if you could.
>
> Casey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Romanow [mailto:slestak989 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:00 AM
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
>
> Casey,
>
> Did you want a demo of a nomachine client and server install? I can
> probably have a vm installed so I wouldn't need network.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>   
Will we have a projector? Would suck to huddle around a laptop :)

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar  6 11:18:51 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey Dubois)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:18:51 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
In-Reply-To: <47D017BD.9080906@gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CA528@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<869F1268DF73444BA076E4FA523AFD613A9CDC@fs01.internal.engineered-net.com>
	<cea1322a0803050743t68836c63q1c2b7d6dc36f96eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204737008.11661.34.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
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	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAB01@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47D01513.8030901@gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CABAE@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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I will have the LCD up and running.
We can connect thru Linksys Wireless or plug straight in.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Romanow [mailto:slestak989 at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:12 AM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting

Casey Dubois wrote:
> Steve,
> That would be great.
> I was actually going to ask if you could.
>
> Casey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Romanow [mailto:slestak989 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:00 AM
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Need Topics for next meeting
>
> Casey,
>
> Did you want a demo of a nomachine client and server install? I can
> probably have a vm installed so I wouldn't need network.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
Will we have a projector? Would suck to huddle around a laptop :)
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 11:49:40 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:49:40 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] dyndns client on ubuntu
Message-ID: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com>

Anyone using dyndns with comcast?  I have been using a virtual host for 
years and have never had any issue.  Since purchasing a new linksys 
router (that has a dyndns client on it), it never updates correctly.

I then installed the ubuntu ddclient (going from memory, I cannot access 
my server bc of the cursed problem), and it sends my local private ip up 
to dyndns.

Whats the best practice now for using dyndns?

Thanks,
Steve

From brousch at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 11:59:58 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:59:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] dyndns client on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com>
References: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930803060859t67971765p91d878a5f1857f1@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I then installed the ubuntu ddclient (going from memory, I cannot access
> my server bc of the cursed problem), and it sends my local private ip up
> to dyndns.
>
> Whats the best practice now for using dyndns?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> <http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug>
>
I think this page will answer your questions:
http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/using_ddclient_with_dyndns_services.html

Basically, you need to tell ddclient to use the public IP address scraped
from your router's status page or from DynDNS's CheckIP service, instead of
using the IP address reported by your hardware.
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From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 12:05:43 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:05:43 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] dyndns client on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com>
References: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080306170543.GA20563@jrichards.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:49:40AM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> Anyone using dyndns with comcast?  I have been using a virtual host for 
> years and have never had any issue.  Since purchasing a new linksys 
> router (that has a dyndns client on it), it never updates correctly.
> 
> I then installed the ubuntu ddclient (going from memory, I cannot access 
> my server bc of the cursed problem), and it sends my local private ip up 
> to dyndns.
> 
> Whats the best practice now for using dyndns?

I have used DynDNS for the past few years with Comcast.  I have a
Linksys router (Vonage) that for a long time would not update
automatically.  I would manually update when I received a warning email
from DynDNS.  I wish I could tell you how I fixed it, but I stopped
receiving those emails; the router seems to be updating automatically.
I am not sure why.
-- 
john-thomas
------
I want everybody to tell me the truth, even if it costs them their jobs.
Samuel Goldwyn

From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 12:46:08 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:46:08 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
> ministry that helps with job placement, tutoring for students, leadership
> development, etc.).  The machine is an IBM NetVista, Pentium III processor,
> and an nVidia card.  I attempted to install XP (he *needs* Quickbooks) for
> him.  The install works fine until the machine reboots and attempts to load
> the GUI.  When it does so, the monitor goes into sleep mode and requires a
> hard reboot (the keyboard becomes unresponsive).  I thought this was odd
> behavior so I got another *identical* machine (literally; he received a
> donation of several identical machines from a local business) and tried
> installing XP onto that blank drive (after formatting, of course).  Again the
> monitor went into sleep mode.  I then booted the machine with a Knoppix CD.
[snip]

After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
(and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
processors :-) for sale?
-- 
john-thomas
------
Better than a thousand days of diligent study is one day with a great
teacher.
Japanese proverb

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar  6 13:20:29 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:20:29 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Next Week - Thursday March 13,
	6-8PM
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

*REMINDER*
GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com> so I can make sure to have enough.
*Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies, Vegetarian, Etc.).
Date and Time:
Thursday March 13th
6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Location:
N-Vint, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
Topics:
Demo of a nomachine client and server install www.nomachine.com<http://www.nomachine.com/> Bring your Notebooks so we can try different distros.
IPv6


 *   Find out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum)
 *   Government mandating that all its networks and the networks of its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?
 *   There are members that have worked with this and could share some knowledge.
Schools promote 'open source' computing

 *   http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th for more info visit www.wmlug.org<http://www.wmlug.org/>
P.S. Could someone update the WIKI with this info please?
Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."

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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:11:19 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:11:19 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] dyndns client on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20080306170543.GA20563@jrichards.org>
References: <47D020A4.5070407@gmail.com> <20080306170543.GA20563@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <47D041D7.7070303@gmail.com>

john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:49:40AM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
>   
>> Anyone using dyndns with comcast?  I have been using a virtual host for 
>> years and have never had any issue.  Since purchasing a new linksys 
>> router (that has a dyndns client on it), it never updates correctly.
>>
>> I then installed the ubuntu ddclient (going from memory, I cannot access 
>> my server bc of the cursed problem), and it sends my local private ip up 
>> to dyndns.
>>
>> Whats the best practice now for using dyndns?
>>     
>
> I have used DynDNS for the past few years with Comcast.  I have a
> Linksys router (Vonage) that for a long time would not update
> automatically.  I would manually update when I received a warning email
> from DynDNS.  I wish I could tell you how I fixed it, but I stopped
> receiving those emails; the router seems to be updating automatically.
> I am not sure why.
>   
If I could get a warning email that would help.  I just find that when I 
try to ssh into my server, I cant reach it. 

That machine is getting finicky, so I may have to take it out and shoot it.

Thanks for the advice guys.

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:12:14 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:12:14 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <47D0420E.409@gmail.com>

john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
>   
>> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
>> ministry that helps with job placement, tutoring for students, leadership
>> development, etc.).  The machine is an IBM NetVista, Pentium III processor,
>> and an nVidia card.  I attempted to install XP (he *needs* Quickbooks) for
>> him.  The install works fine until the machine reboots and attempts to load
>> the GUI.  When it does so, the monitor goes into sleep mode and requires a
>> hard reboot (the keyboard becomes unresponsive).  I thought this was odd
>> behavior so I got another *identical* machine (literally; he received a
>> donation of several identical machines from a local business) and tried
>> installing XP onto that blank drive (after formatting, of course).  Again the
>> monitor went into sleep mode.  I then booted the machine with a Knoppix CD.
>>     
> [snip]
>
> After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
> (and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
> failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
> all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
> with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
> motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
> donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
> hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
> find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
> processors :-) for sale?
>   
I might have access to one.  lemme check.

From thisboyiscrazy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:14:21 2008
From: thisboyiscrazy at gmail.com (Joe Vanderstelt)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:14:21 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Next Week - Thursday March 13,
	6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <cea1322a0803061114w6955de9fkf29402c6c4d8a9ee@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> *REMINDER*
>
> GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
>
> Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com so I can make
> sure to have enough.
>
> *Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies, Vegetarian,
> Etc.).
>
> Date and Time:
>
> Thursday March 13th
>
> 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)
>
>  Location:
>  N-Vint, Inc.
>
> 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
>
> Topics:
>
> Demo of a nomachine client and server install www.nomachine.com Bring your
> Notebooks so we can try different distros.
>
> IPv6
>
>
>
> Find out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum)
> Government mandating that all its networks and the networks of its
> contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?
> There are members that have worked with this and could share some knowledge.
>
> Schools promote 'open source' computing
>
> http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
>
> ***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
>
> FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th for more info visit
> www.wmlug.org
>
> P.S. Could someone update the WIKI with this info please?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Casey M. DuBois
>
> N-VINT, Inc.
>
> 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
>
> 616-656-5500 Office
>
> 866-337-2686 Direct
>
> AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
>
> cdubois at n-vint.com
>
>
>
> "To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:14:36 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:14:36 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Next Week - Thursday March 13,
 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <47D0429C.5010307@gmail.com>

Casey DuBois wrote:
>
> **REMINDER**
>
> *GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting*
>
> Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com 
> <mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com> so I can make sure to have enough.
>
> *Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies, 
> Vegetarian, Etc.).
>
> *Date and Time:*
>
> Thursday March 13^th
>
> 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)
> *
> Location:
> *N-Vint, Inc.
>
> 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1 
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1>
>
> *Topics:*
>
> Demo of a nomachine client and server install www.nomachine.com 
> <http://www.nomachine.com/> Bring your Notebooks so we can try 
> different distros.
>
> *IPv6*
>
>     * Find out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum)
>     * Government mandating that all its networks and the networks of
>       its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?
>     * There are members that have worked with this and could share
>       some knowledge.
>
> *Schools promote 'open source' computing*
>
>     * http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
>
> ***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
>
> FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27^th for more info 
> visit www.wmlug.org <http://www.wmlug.org/>
>
> P.S. Could someone update the WIKI with this info please?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> /Casey M. DuBois/
>
> *N-VINT, Inc.*
>
> 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
>
> 616-656-5500 Office
>
> *866-337-2686* Direct
>
> /AOL IM: *CaseyNVINT*/
>
> cdubois at n-vint.com <mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>*//*
>
> ?To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
Is there a rapid bus out to there?

If not, anyone mind if I catch a ride to/from Kentwood. (44th & Beltline)

From mikemol at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:41:04 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:41:04 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Next Week - Thursday March 13,
	6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <47D0429C.5010307@gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47D0429C.5010307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450803061141w13f0f4efsdd7c3e36b439c4ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Casey DuBois wrote:
>  > 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
>  Is there a rapid bus out to there?
>
>  If not, anyone mind if I catch a ride to/from Kentwood. (44th & Beltline)

Looks like the 1 or the 4 are the closest routes, which leaves you
with a couple miles to walk.  So, yeah, you'd need a ride. (I can't,
I'll be coming from clear out in Jenison.)
-- 
:wq

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:42:48 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:42:48 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Next Week - Thursday March 13,
 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803061141w13f0f4efsdd7c3e36b439c4ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B413CAC4B@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<47D0429C.5010307@gmail.com>
	<f5e00c450803061141w13f0f4efsdd7c3e36b439c4ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D04938.3040004@gmail.com>

Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Casey DuBois wrote:
>>  > 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
>>  Is there a rapid bus out to there?
>>
>>  If not, anyone mind if I catch a ride to/from Kentwood. (44th & Beltline)
>>     
>
> Looks like the 1 or the 4 are the closest routes, which leaves you
> with a couple miles to walk.  So, yeah, you'd need a ride. (I can't,
> I'll be coming from clear out in Jenison.)
>   
Cant wait until Spring. I want to get my bike out!

From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 15:23:15 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:23:15 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D0420E.409@gmail.com>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org> <47D0420E.409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080306202315.GA2164@jrichards.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:12:14PM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> >   
[snip]
> > hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
> > find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
> > processors :-) for sale?
> >   
> I might have access to one.  lemme check.

That would be swell.
-- 
john-thomas
------
If money be not thy servant, it will be thy master. The covetous man
cannot so properly be said to possess wealth, as that may be said to
possess him.
Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626)

From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu Mar  6 15:36:33 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:36:33 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>

john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
>> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
>> ministry that helps with job placement, tutoring for students, leadership
>> development, etc.).  The machine is an IBM NetVista, Pentium III processor,
>> and an nVidia card.  I attempted to install XP (he *needs* Quickbooks) for
>> him.  The install works fine until the machine reboots and attempts to load
>> the GUI.  When it does so, the monitor goes into sleep mode and requires a
>> hard reboot (the keyboard becomes unresponsive).  I thought this was odd
>> behavior so I got another *identical* machine (literally; he received a
>> donation of several identical machines from a local business) and tried
>> installing XP onto that blank drive (after formatting, of course).  Again the
>> monitor went into sleep mode.  I then booted the machine with a Knoppix CD.
> [snip]
> 
> After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
> (and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
> failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
> all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
> with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
> motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
> donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
> hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
> find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
> processors :-) for sale?

Please forgive me if you've already "been there and done that", but have
you tried installing Linux on these things? I know you need Windows
eventually, but if you can get a light enough weight Linux up and into
graphical mode, a VMWare Player session could provide you with the
Windows functionality you need. Pentium IIIs are kind of at the low end
of what will run XP in a VM. But, as I said, a light weight (i.e. low
resource demanding) Linux should be able to leave plenty for office work
 in an XP VM. In this case more RAM is really better than a second CPU.
Pentium IIIs start at (I think) 500MHz. I hope you  have at least 750's.

I hope this helps
Raymond McLaughlin




From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 15:50:12 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:50:12 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <20080306202315.GA2164@jrichards.org>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
	<47D0420E.409@gmail.com> <20080306202315.GA2164@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <47D05904.4050502@gmail.com>

john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:12:14PM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
>   
>> john-thomas richards wrote:
>>     
>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
> [snip]
>   
>>> hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
>>> find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
>>> processors :-) for sale?
>>>   
>>>       
>> I might have access to one.  lemme check.
>>     
>
> That would be swell.
>   
I check with my friend that i knew was using a dual p3 rig and he's not 
ready to part with it.  ;)

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 15:53:49 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:53:49 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
	<47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <47D059DD.1010807@gmail.com>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
>>     
>>> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
>>> ministry that helps with job placement, tutoring for students, leadership
>>> development, etc.).  The machine is an IBM NetVista, Pentium III processor,
>>> and an nVidia card.  I attempted to install XP (he *needs* Quickbooks) for
>>> him.  The install works fine until the machine reboots and attempts to load
>>> the GUI.  When it does so, the monitor goes into sleep mode and requires a
>>> hard reboot (the keyboard becomes unresponsive).  I thought this was odd
>>> behavior so I got another *identical* machine (literally; he received a
>>> donation of several identical machines from a local business) and tried
>>> installing XP onto that blank drive (after formatting, of course).  Again the
>>> monitor went into sleep mode.  I then booted the machine with a Knoppix CD.
>>>       
>> [snip]
>>
>> After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
>> (and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
>> failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
>> all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
>> with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
>> motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
>> donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
>> hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
>> find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
>> processors :-) for sale?
>>     
>
> Please forgive me if you've already "been there and done that", but have
> you tried installing Linux on these things? I know you need Windows
> eventually, but if you can get a light enough weight Linux up and into
> graphical mode, a VMWare Player session could provide you with the
> Windows functionality you need. Pentium IIIs are kind of at the low end
> of what will run XP in a VM. But, as I said, a light weight (i.e. low
> resource demanding) Linux should be able to leave plenty for office work
>  in an XP VM. In this case more RAM is really better than a second CPU.
> Pentium IIIs start at (I think) 500MHz. I hope you  have at least 750's.
>
> I hope this helps
> Raymond McLaughlin
>
>
>
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>   
I almost question more that he "needs quickbooks" on such an old 
machine.  I wouldn't keep my offices important financial docs on a shaky 
machine.  There has got to be another way.

From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 16:05:55 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:05:55 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
	<47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <20080306210555.GA6649@jrichards.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 03:36:33PM -0500, Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> >> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
> >> ministry that helps with job placement, tutoring for students, leadership
> >> development, etc.).  The machine is an IBM NetVista, Pentium III processor,
> >> and an nVidia card.  I attempted to install XP (he *needs* Quickbooks) for
> >> him.  The install works fine until the machine reboots and attempts to load
> >> the GUI.  When it does so, the monitor goes into sleep mode and requires a
> >> hard reboot (the keyboard becomes unresponsive).  I thought this was odd
> >> behavior so I got another *identical* machine (literally; he received a
> >> donation of several identical machines from a local business) and tried
> >> installing XP onto that blank drive (after formatting, of course).  Again the
> >> monitor went into sleep mode.  I then booted the machine with a Knoppix CD.
> > [snip]
> > 
> > After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
> > (and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
> > failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
> > all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
> > with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
> > motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
> > donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
> > hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
> > find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
> > processors :-) for sale?
> 
> Please forgive me if you've already "been there and done that", but have
> you tried installing Linux on these things? I know you need Windows
> eventually, but if you can get a light enough weight Linux up and into
> graphical mode, a VMWare Player session could provide you with the
> Windows functionality you need. Pentium IIIs are kind of at the low end
> of what will run XP in a VM. But, as I said, a light weight (i.e. low
> resource demanding) Linux should be able to leave plenty for office work
>  in an XP VM. In this case more RAM is really better than a second CPU.
> Pentium IIIs start at (I think) 500MHz. I hope you  have at least 750's.

Been there, done that.  ;-)  I tried booting with Knoppix, installing
Debian, etc.  Nada.

The processor is a 933MHz (Coppermine core).
-- 
john-thomas
------
Books are the bees which carry the quickening pollen from one to another
mind.
James Russell Lowell, poet, essayist, and diplomat (1819-1891)

From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 16:08:32 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:08:32 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D059DD.1010807@gmail.com>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org>
	<47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net> <47D059DD.1010807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080306210832.GB6649@jrichards.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 03:53:49PM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
[snip]
> I almost question more that he "needs quickbooks" on such an old 
> machine.  I wouldn't keep my offices important financial docs on a shaky 
> machine.  There has got to be another way.

He does not need Quickbooks on such an old machine; he needs
Quickbooks, period.  Feel free to donate a much faster machine.  ;-)
Joel has been working in the inner-city of Grand Rapids for over
fifteen years.  His organization does not have resources to buy
computer hardware.
-- 
john-thomas
------
Don't judge men's wealth or godliness by their Sunday appearance.
Benjamin Franklin, statesman, author, and inventor (1706-1790)

From verduin at ameritech.net  Thu Mar  6 17:27:07 2008
From: verduin at ameritech.net (George (Skip) VerDuin)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:27:07 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D05904.4050502@gmail.com>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org> <47D0420E.409@gmail.com>
	<20080306202315.GA2164@jrichards.org>  <47D05904.4050502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204842427.2825.209.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>

As a "long shot" on this thread:

On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 15:50 -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:12:14PM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> >   
> >> john-thomas richards wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> >>>  >>SNIP<<
> I check with my friend that i knew was using a dual p3 rig and he's not 
> ready to part with it.  ;)
Only after you strike out on the P-III option, I have a couple not
expensive socket A server MoBos not now in use.  I have no experience
how XP might load on it...  AT-extended form factor / dual athalon (one
core) chips / 233mhz ECC memory / PCI & PCI-E slots.  The slowest chip
option is around 1.2ghz & pretty cheap, the fastest is 2.13ghz & maybe
$100/pair?

The only value these things might have is to preserve the cases (etc)
you are starting with?  I have them because it has been hard for me to
find suitable mid-tower cases (on the cheap!) over the past few weeks.

Warmest regards from here,
George


From jtr at jrichards.org  Thu Mar  6 17:51:31 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:51:31 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <1204842427.2825.209.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org> <47D0420E.409@gmail.com>
	<20080306202315.GA2164@jrichards.org> <47D05904.4050502@gmail.com>
	<1204842427.2825.209.camel@tango.gfvhome.org>
Message-ID: <20080306225131.GA13838@jrichards.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:27:07PM -0500, George (Skip) VerDuin wrote:
> As a "long shot" on this thread:
> 
> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 15:50 -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> > john-thomas richards wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:12:14PM -0500, Steve Romanow wrote:
> > >   
> > >> john-thomas richards wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> > >>>  >>SNIP<<
> > I check with my friend that i knew was using a dual p3 rig and he's not 
> > ready to part with it.  ;)
> 
> Only after you strike out on the P-III option, I have a couple not
> expensive socket A server MoBos not now in use.  I have no experience
> how XP might load on it...  AT-extended form factor / dual athalon (one
> core) chips / 233mhz ECC memory / PCI & PCI-E slots.  The slowest chip
> option is around 1.2ghz & pretty cheap, the fastest is 2.13ghz & maybe
> $100/pair?
> 
> The only value these things might have is to preserve the cases (etc)
> you are starting with?  I have them because it has been hard for me to
> find suitable mid-tower cases (on the cheap!) over the past few weeks.

Yes, preserving the existing hardware is the biggest reason for looking
for a Pentium III motherboard.  I already have the RAM, hard drives,
video card, and processors.  If I upgrade the motherboard, I must also
buy new processors and RAM.  Bleh.  Even though Pentium III technology
is "old" it is good enough for a decent desktop machine or a file /
print server.
-- 
john-thomas
------
A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular.
Adlai Stevenson, statesman (1900-1965)

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Thu Mar  6 23:40:05 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:40:05 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] IBM NetVista not booting graphical environment - UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
References: <20071120201801.GA15877@jrichards.org>
	<20080306174608.GA22787@jrichards.org> <47D055D1.3050304@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <1204864805.18847.31.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 15:36 -0500, Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:18:01PM -0500, john-thomas richards wrote:
> >> I am helping a friend with his non-profit's computer (he runs an inner-city
> > [snip]
> > 
> > After pouring much time into this, it has been determined that this
> > (and the other two) motherboard has a very special and very specific
> > failure that keeps it from booting a GUI.  (Mad props to Greg F. for
> > all his help.  He is a Very. Smart. Guy.  Thank you!)  So my friend
> > with the non-profit ministry has some nice hardware but no
> > motherboards.  He was recently offered some more computers by another
> > donor so I thought, hey, why not make a nice server out of the
> > hardware?  To cut this short, dual-Pentium III motherboards are a rare
> > find these days (nada on eBay).  Any of you guys have one (I have the
> > processors :-) for sale?
> 
> Please forgive me if you've already "been there and done that", but have
> you tried installing Linux on these things? I know you need Windows
> eventually, but if you can get a light enough weight Linux up and into
> graphical mode, a VMWare Player session could provide you with the
> Windows functionality you need. Pentium IIIs are kind of at the low end
> of what will run XP in a VM. But, as I said, a light weight (i.e. low
> resource demanding) Linux should be able to leave plenty for office work
>  in an XP VM. In this case more RAM is really better than a second CPU.
> Pentium IIIs start at (I think) 500MHz. I hope you  have at least 750's.

Just to let everyone know... I have a beaten these machines from nearly
every way possible.

The only thing that works is a Linux Distro that DOES NOT change the
Video Mode... and then only until a reboot and only until it sets
"console fonts". Only the older installs got to a point of login. but
eventually DPMS blanking would lock it up.

For the record, here are the things I did:
      * updated the BIOS, which brought back most functionality for a
        while, until a hard lock froze everything up... which turned out
        to be DPMS screen blanking
      * Tried an 800MHz PentiumIII Coppermine processor, a 1GHz
        PentiumIII processor, a 1.13GHz PentiumIII processor
      * Completely different RAM, motherboard capable of 2 sticks,
        everywhere from 32MB to 1GB, different speeds
      * Hard Drives in sizes from 2GB through 120GB, ATA-3 through ATA-6
      * 4 CD-Drives, 2 DVD drives
      * Video cards: Matrox AGP and PCI cards, ATI Rage 128 through
        Radeon 7500, nVidia nv8 through nv27 chipsets, S3 cards, Diamond
        PCI and others
      * New NICs: about 15 different 3Com cards, 10 different Intel E100
        cards, numerous D-Link, many different other chipsets as well.
      * three different power supplies.

And here are the things I ran to see what I could find:

      * KNOPPIX in text mode
      * LIVE-CDs out the wazoo
      * 5 different rescue CDs and the myriad of diags they had, any
        that change the Video mode locked hard.
      * 7 different Distros of Linux and BSDs and a myrid of versions:
              * Debian v2.0 through current SID
              * Redhat V4.0 through v9.0
              * CentOS v2.1 through v5.1
              * Turbolinux Only one version...
              * Slackware Pro(1996) through 11
              * FreeBSD 3.5, 4.11, 5.5, 6.3 but not 7.
              * NetBSD 1.4.3, 1.5.3, 1.6.2, 2.1, 3.1


Now, my feeling here is that these machine when running Windows came
across a site that was probably compromised and the compromiser had it
in for any IBM hardware. Created a BIOS hack and got it to load via
Active-Hex via Infernal Exploiter or Lookout... voila, unfixable
machine.

Since these machine were probably in used one after another as the
failed... all going to the same place, well they all broke the same way.

Side story:
I had an experience one time with some serious IBM Servers with a 5
channel IBM-ServeRAID card in it. IBM replaced the drives, the DASD, the
cage backplanes the processors the memory, pretty much everything except
the RAID Controller.

IBM eventually replaced the whole machine with a newer faster machine.
Five weeks later they finally got back to me, stating that they finally
changed out the $7K RAID controller, there was a Firmware Virus in it.
It was very specific. And the way the thing got on there was when the
original image of Windows on the machine hadn't been updated and when to
some type of a spoof "IBM" site (of which there were many at the time)
and it installed an update using IE v4. something.

Summary:
So... I do know that many people have a serious attitude towards IBM. so
it is possible these Netvistas fall into that category, they were
work-horses for MANY companies, which ticked many people off. And
there-in I believe is what happened.

Now these machine are well made, look decent, are quiet enough and
easily dealt with. except the motherboard is very specifically borkened.

Sooo... there you go.
-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
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From airplanejay at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 13:52:01 2008
From: airplanejay at gmail.com (Jason Kisner)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:52:01 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux SOS
Message-ID: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys, I'm part of GRCC's Computer Club and we run a PC Clinic. Well,
story short, someone from the club installed Fedora on a customer's
computer. The customer wishes to have Windows back but needs to know how to
use Fedora until then. they have a paper due monday and needs to know how to
find what data might be there and so on.

the Fedora release is 8. that's all the info I have. if someone can help
please contact as soon as possible.

-- 
Rensik nosaj si eman ym.
Worromot rof nalp, yadot rof evil.
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Sat Mar  8 14:14:58 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux SOS
In-Reply-To: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1205003698.2272.9.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 13:52 -0500, Jason Kisner wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm part of GRCC's Computer Club and we run a PC Clinic.
> Well, story short, someone from the club installed Fedora on a
> customer's computer. The customer wishes to have Windows back but
> needs to know how to use Fedora until then. they have a paper due
> monday and needs to know how to find what data might be there and so
> on.
> 
> the Fedora release is 8. that's all the info I have. if someone can
> help please contact as soon as possible.

How was Fedora Core 8 installed?

Over top of Windows, meaning everything is gone?
Windows Partition re-sized and Fedora Core 8 installed along side
Windows? If along side... Windows should be a booting option at boot
start.

More info is needed.

Oh, by the way, if they Have a good install of Fedora Core 8, they will
have Open Office on it, which is easily a good substitute for "M$
Office".

If they cannot get into the machine, then they need to find out what the
username and password was that was added for them. Remembering *NIX is
CaSe-SeNsItiVe

a username of: greg

means: greg
not: Greg or GREG or GrEg or GrEG or greG or (ad-infinitum)

And passwords a exactly the same way!

a password of:  Password

means: Password
not: password or PASSWORD or PassWord or (ad-infinitum)

If they know the root user's password...

they can fix the username they have or add one.
-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
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From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 01:32:31 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:32:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux SOS
In-Reply-To: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <721192.16346.qm@web80414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

They want windows back?  Have them install X.Org which
provides open source implementation of the X Window
System (windowing). . . I don't run Fedora, but like
other linux distros, im sure it can generate many
windows.

Here is an unofficial guide to fedora:

http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page

If this is a data recovery issue try a linux based
rescue disk like:

http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

However, I wouldnt recommend this person use that disk
unassisted if he didnt backup his data.

--- Jason Kisner <airplanejay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys, I'm part of GRCC's Computer Club and we
> run a PC Clinic. Well,
> story short, someone from the club installed Fedora
> on a customer's
> computer. The customer wishes to have Windows back
> but needs to know how to
> use Fedora until then. they have a paper due monday
> and needs to know how to
> find what data might be there and so on.
> 
> the Fedora release is 8. that's all the info I have.
> if someone can help
> please contact as soon as possible.
> 
> -- 
> Rensik nosaj si eman ym.
> Worromot rof nalp, yadot rof evil.
> > _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
>
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug


From dnielsen0007 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 20:41:42 2008
From: dnielsen0007 at yahoo.com (dennis nielsen)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] wireless problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.551.1205001810.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
Message-ID: <403467.32302.qm@web58107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a beat up old Dell inspirion 3800 that I have installed SimplyMepis 6.5 on. It works fine and have a wired DSL connection, but have been unable to get my DLink Airplus G wireless card (DWL G630) to connect. 

I am ready to try another linux distro. Any suggestions? 

Brad

       
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 20:53:24 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:53:24 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] wireless problem
In-Reply-To: <403467.32302.qm@web58107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.551.1205001810.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
	<403467.32302.qm@web58107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450803091753h59d10ba1rf91aacda61d13be2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, dennis nielsen <dnielsen0007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a beat up old Dell inspirion 3800 that I have installed SimplyMepis
> 6.5 on. It works fine and have a wired DSL connection, but have been unable
> to get my DLink Airplus G wireless card (DWL G630) to connect.
>
> I am ready to try another linux distro. Any suggestions?

I'm happy to plug Ubuntu; Their network configuration UI supports
wireless fairly decently.

That's assuming it's a wifi configuration issue, though.  Remember
that wireless card manufacturers often change chipsets with few (if
any) outward clues to which chipset the card uses.  What do you get if
you run lspci on the command line?

-- 
:wq

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Mon Mar 10 11:44:04 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:44:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Linux SOS
In-Reply-To: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b9edb810803081052j77026aefk78b88cd41ce56864@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1205163844.13852.5.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 13:52 -0500, Jason Kisner wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm part of GRCC's Computer Club and we run a PC Clinic.
> Well, story short, someone from the club installed Fedora on a
> customer's computer. The customer wishes to have Windows back but
> needs to know how to use Fedora until then. they have a paper due
> monday and needs to know how to find what data might be there and so
> on.
> 
> the Fedora release is 8. that's all the info I have. if someone can
> help please contact as soon as possible.

Did this get resolved?
-- 
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar 11 12:10:25 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:10:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

*REMINDER*
GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com> so I can make sure to have enough.
*Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies, Vegetarian, Etc.).
Date and Time:
Thursday March 13th
6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Location:
N-Vint, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
Topics:
Demo of a nomachine client and server install www.nomachine.com<http://www.nomachine.com/> Bring your Notebooks so we can try different distros.
IPv6


 *   Find out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum)
 *   Government mandating that all its networks and the networks of its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?
 *   There are members that have worked with this and could share some knowledge.
Schools promote 'open source' computing

 *   http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th for more info visit www.wmlug.org<http://www.wmlug.org/>
Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."

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From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 12:43:44 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:43:44 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Custom 1U machines?
Message-ID: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine is looking into having 1U 19" wide by 24" deep case
fabricated, so that he can custom-build a box.

Does anyone have information on companies that do that sort of thing?

-- 
:wq

From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 13:25:43 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:25:43 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Custom 1U machines?
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930803111025p7dde92bcj78f89ea9f74b0778@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend of mine is looking into having 1U 19" wide by 24" deep case
> fabricated, so that he can custom-build a box.
>
> Does anyone have information on companies that do that sort of thing?
>  <http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug>
>

If he has a lot of money to burn, I work for a custom metals shop that can
build a steel or aluminum case. Feel free to have him get in touch with me,
and I will get him a quote.

These photos are the closest thing I could find of something like a computer
case:
http://www.vdiw.net/images/wirebasket/wirebasket1.jpg
http://www.vdiw.net/images/wirebasket/wirebasket2.jpg
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar 11 13:38:49 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Custom 1U machines?
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D119@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

SuperMicro has plenty of 1U Chassis for $100-$200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=supermicro+1U+chassis

Casey


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mol [mailto:mikemol at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:44 PM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: [GRLUG] Custom 1U machines?

A friend of mine is looking into having 1U 19" wide by 24" deep case
fabricated, so that he can custom-build a box.

Does anyone have information on companies that do that sort of thing?

--
:wq
_______________________________________________
grlug mailing list
grlug at grlug.org
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 14:20:23 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:20:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Custom 1U machines?
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D119@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <f5e00c450803110943r304fe1f2na3628e63a13ef6dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D119@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0803111120j7faca0c3t6a834040ae18251@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.protocase.com/

--tim

From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 15:11:41 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:11:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:

>  **REMINDER**
>
> *GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting*
>

OK, I guilted the wife into letting me attend this meeting. I'm looking
forward to meeting many of the faces behind the emails!
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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 15:23:54 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:23:54 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D6DC4A.4080706@gmail.com>

Is there anyone near the beltline that I can catch a ride with?  I am 
near 44th & Beltline (will need ride back to 44th & Kalamazoo)

Thanks,
Steve R


From flanderb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 15:34:27 2008
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:34:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8898d550803111234gcc6eb7dk4c47d5ea033f63ca@mail.gmail.com>

Just wondering if we could use name tags this time.  I know they are
rather uncool, but why should that stop this group?  They would really
help put names to faces.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *REMINDER*
> >
> > GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
>   OK, I guilted the wife into letting me attend this meeting. I'm looking
> forward to meeting many of the faces behind the emails!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
Share and Enjoy
Ben

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar 11 15:39:55 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:39:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <e8898d550803111234gcc6eb7dk4c47d5ea033f63ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8898d550803111234gcc6eb7dk4c47d5ea033f63ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D1C6@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Name Tags and Video Camera are on my list of things for this meeting.
I already have Wireless and Big Screen setup.

Casey

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Flanders [mailto:flanderb at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:34 PM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM

Just wondering if we could use name tags this time.  I know they are
rather uncool, but why should that stop this group?  They would really
help put names to faces.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *REMINDER*
> >
> > GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
>   OK, I guilted the wife into letting me attend this meeting. I'm looking
> forward to meeting many of the faces behind the emails!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



--
Share and Enjoy
Ben
_______________________________________________
grlug mailing list
grlug at grlug.org
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug

From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 15:54:27 2008
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:54:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D1C6@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8898d550803111234gcc6eb7dk4c47d5ea033f63ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D1C6@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <d92a2d930803111254s71792de6wf605ce5114a57d20@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:

> Name Tags and Video Camera are on my list of things for this meeting.
> I already have Wireless and Big Screen setup.
>
>
You have a video camera, or you're looking for one? I have a fairly new
MiniDV video camera and tripod that I could bring, but I cheat and use
iMovie on an old PowerMac to do my editing.
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar 11 16:00:24 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:00:24 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <d92a2d930803111254s71792de6wf605ce5114a57d20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111211t3e842edcp2051d6a17e59b4b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8898d550803111234gcc6eb7dk4c47d5ea033f63ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D1C6@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<d92a2d930803111254s71792de6wf605ce5114a57d20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D1E2@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

I have the camera and tripod, just need to bring them in.

I will however need help with the editing and posting.

Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."
________________________________
From: Ben Rousch [mailto:brousch at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:54 PM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>> wrote:
Name Tags and Video Camera are on my list of things for this meeting.
I already have Wireless and Big Screen setup.

You have a video camera, or you're looking for one? I have a fairly new MiniDV video camera and tripod that I could bring, but I cheat and use iMovie on an old PowerMac to do my editing.
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From paulk at teamddm.com  Tue Mar 11 15:52:39 2008
From: paulk at teamddm.com (Paul Kortman)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] disaster recovery plan examples
Message-ID: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>

Hi All,

I need to develop a disaster recovery plan (document). As a SysAdmin I 
know what I would do in a disaster depending on what the disaster 
is/was. But I'm struggling getting what I know in my head out on paper.

I have searched for examples or templates online and have found a few, 
but none really apply, they either are too specific (focus on one 
proprietary technology and how to recover it) or too general saying 
things like "a disaster recovery plan needs to have statements about 
purchasing replacement equipment." Duh. I could have told you this.

I don't have the time or the money to put draft 0 in front of a 
lawyer... instead I'm trying to draft at least version one and two 
before it goes to the lawyer for verification and tightening.

Do you in your various places of employment(s) have Disaster Recovery 
Plans, something that covers a few servers (12+-) and premises etc. ? 
Would you be willing to post it here for us all to use as examples or 
could you send me a copy off list?

I appreciate the knowledge gained from being apart of this local community.

-Paul

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Tue Mar 11 16:47:57 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:47:57 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <1205268477.16137.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:10 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> *REMINDER*
> 
> GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
> 
> Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com so I can
> make sure to have enough. 
> 
> *Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies,
> Vegetarian, Etc.).
> 
> Date and Time:
> 
> Thursday March 13th
> 
> 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Sorry guys, but my world just changed big time.

My Father-in-Law died this morning at 8:01AM EDT.

Will not be able to attend.

-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 16:49:38 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:49:38 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1205268477.16137.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<1205268477.16137.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450803111349t17e3ebb4safd5b7af7efbc41@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
>
>  Sorry guys, but my world just changed big time.
>
>  My Father-in-Law died this morning at 8:01AM EDT.
>
>  Will not be able to attend.

My condolences.  See you next month, hopefully.


-- 
:wq

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Tue Mar 11 16:56:03 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:56:03 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1205268477.16137.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D083@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<1205268477.16137.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D23E@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Greg,
I am sorry to hear about your loss.
If there is anything you need please don't hesitate to call.


Casey
616-808-6942

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Folkert [mailto:greg at gregfolkert.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:48 PM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM


On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:10 -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> *REMINDER*
>
> GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting
>
> Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com so I can
> make sure to have enough.
>
> *Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies,
> Vegetarian, Etc.).
>
> Date and Time:
>
> Thursday March 13th
>
> 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Sorry guys, but my world just changed big time.

My Father-in-Law died this morning at 8:01AM EDT.

Will not be able to attend.

--
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2

From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 12 00:26:00 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D23E@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <850144.51237.qm@web80412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Condolences with deepest sympathy to you and your
family  in this time of loss 
 
--- Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:

> Greg,
> I am sorry to hear about your loss.
> If there is anything you need please don't hesitate
> to call.
> 
> 
> Casey
> 616-808-6942
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Folkert [mailto:greg at gregfolkert.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:48 PM
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting
> *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:10 -0400, Casey DuBois
> wrote:
> > *REMINDER*
> >
> > GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March
> Meeting
> >
> > Food will be provided so please RSVP to
> cdubois at n-vint.com so I can
> > make sure to have enough.
> >
> > *Also let me know if you have any special needs
> (Allergies,
> > Vegetarian, Etc.).
> >
> > Date and Time:
> >
> > Thursday March 13th
> >
> > 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)
> 
> Sorry guys, but my world just changed big time.
> 
> My Father-in-Law died this morning at 8:01AM EDT.
> 
> Will not be able to attend.
> 
> --
> greg at gregfolkert.net
> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66
> 6971 B524 687C
> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841
> 56C5 6356 88C0
> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F
> 9505 2B79 2AB2
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
>
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 


From drehfeldtusa at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 09:23:58 2008
From: drehfeldtusa at gmail.com (Douglas Rehfeldt)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:23:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Name tags uncool?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.560.1205264921.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
References: <mailman.560.1205264921.3996.grlug@grlug.org>
Message-ID: <001101c88444$58b07120$0a115360$@com>

"I know they are rather uncool"  Not mine.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7c54/


From mailtonick at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 10:57:53 2008
From: mailtonick at gmail.com (MailToNick)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:57:53 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] disaster recovery plan examples
In-Reply-To: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>
References: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>
Message-ID: <30bcf8860803120757n12eea8bck933067e66f8a2439@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
Our management would object, for security reasons,  to having such a plan
posted online.
I'll try to show you something with some information scrubbed out. Not sure
if I can get it by tomorrow though. Might have to wait until the next
meeting :(

Nick.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Paul Kortman <paulk at teamddm.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I need to develop a disaster recovery plan (document). As a SysAdmin I
> know what I would do in a disaster depending on what the disaster
> is/was. But I'm struggling getting what I know in my head out on paper.
>
> I have searched for examples or templates online and have found a few,
> but none really apply, they either are too specific (focus on one
> proprietary technology and how to recover it) or too general saying
> things like "a disaster recovery plan needs to have statements about
> purchasing replacement equipment." Duh. I could have told you this.
>
> I don't have the time or the money to put draft 0 in front of a
> lawyer... instead I'm trying to draft at least version one and two
> before it goes to the lawyer for verification and tightening.
>
> Do you in your various places of employment(s) have Disaster Recovery
> Plans, something that covers a few servers (12+-) and premises etc. ?
> Would you be willing to post it here for us all to use as examples or
> could you send me a copy off list?
>
> I appreciate the knowledge gained from being apart of this local
> community.
>
> -Paul
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 11:28:04 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:28:04 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] disaster recovery plan examples
In-Reply-To: <30bcf8860803120757n12eea8bck933067e66f8a2439@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>
	<30bcf8860803120757n12eea8bck933067e66f8a2439@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0803120828w7f1f931q59ff9bfe782183f5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:57 AM, MailToNick <mailtonick at gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul,
> Our management would object, for security reasons,  to having such a plan
> posted online.

Blech.  Like locks, disaster recovery plans should be strong enough to
stand up to public scrutiny, and show improvement for it.

--tim

From ndrier at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 12:02:34 2008
From: ndrier at gmail.com (Nathan)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:02:34 -0500
Subject: [GRLUG] disaster recovery plan examples
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0803120828w7f1f931q59ff9bfe782183f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>
	<30bcf8860803120757n12eea8bck933067e66f8a2439@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0803120828w7f1f931q59ff9bfe782183f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f08d14b0803120902o4ecafc8cm5d3639797eb26e5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:57 AM, MailToNick <mailtonick at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > Paul,
>  > Our management would object, for security reasons,  to having such a plan
>  > posted online.
>
>  Blech.  Like locks, disaster recovery plans should be strong enough to
>  stand up to public scrutiny, and show improvement for it.
>
>  --tim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>

NIST has a good outline for building DR plans,  they even include some examples.

http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-34/sp800-34.pdf

The hard part about finding 'sample' DR plans is that they include
very sensitive information,  and they are usually very specific to a
individual businesses needs.  That said,  a good DR plan is a very,
very important thing to have and can make all the difference when you
need it.

Nate

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 23:30:39 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:30:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <850144.51237.qm@web80412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D23E@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<850144.51237.qm@web80412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10803122030y1c3330bx4a24739b20648540@mail.gmail.com>

God be with you and your loved ones Greg.  Unless you're a
scientologist, then peace and energy to ya.  ;-) Alright, bad taste.
I don't now why, when I lost my mom, all I could do was joke around
with the tons of family members who came.  They all thought I was
being rude, but it was my way of dealing with it all.

Best regards,
Godwin


On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Condolences with deepest sympathy to you and your
>  family  in this time of loss
>
>
>
>  --- Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
>
>  > Greg,
>  > I am sorry to hear about your loss.
>  > If there is anything you need please don't hesitate
>  > to call.
>  >
>  >
>  > Casey
>  > 616-808-6942
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Greg Folkert [mailto:greg at gregfolkert.net]
>  > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:48 PM
>  > To: grlug at grlug.org
>  > Subject: Re: [GRLUG] *Reminder GRLUG Meeting
>  > *Thursday March 13, 6-8PM
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:10 -0400, Casey DuBois
>  > wrote:
>  > > *REMINDER*
>  > >
>  > > GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March
>  > Meeting
>  > >
>  > > Food will be provided so please RSVP to
>  > cdubois at n-vint.com so I can
>  > > make sure to have enough.
>  > >
>  > > *Also let me know if you have any special needs
>  > (Allergies,
>  > > Vegetarian, Etc.).
>  > >
>  > > Date and Time:
>  > >
>  > > Thursday March 13th
>  > >
>  > > 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)
>  >
>  > Sorry guys, but my world just changed big time.
>  >
>  > My Father-in-Law died this morning at 8:01AM EDT.
>  >
>  > Will not be able to attend.
>  >
>  > --
>  > greg at gregfolkert.net
>  > PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>  > Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66
>  > 6971 B524 687C
>  > Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841
>  > 56C5 6356 88C0
>  > Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F
>  > 9505 2B79 2AB2
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > grlug mailing list
>  > grlug at grlug.org
>  >
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>  >
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 

Ubber::Geek
http://grlug.org/

From geektoyz at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 23:36:18 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:36:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] disaster recovery plan examples
In-Reply-To: <7f08d14b0803120902o4ecafc8cm5d3639797eb26e5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47D6E307.9040209@teamddm.com>
	<30bcf8860803120757n12eea8bck933067e66f8a2439@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c97fe9d0803120828w7f1f931q59ff9bfe782183f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f08d14b0803120902o4ecafc8cm5d3639797eb26e5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10803122036s7e01e394v33713eab66ba7c1b@mail.gmail.com>

Amongst other things, ours mainly lists network/server/infrastructure
configuration (hardware, OSes, topology, etc.) and some licensing
info.  Something we can present to the insurance company for
compensation in case of total loss and/or someone else could rebuild
from if I'm not around...  ;-)

G-

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Nathan <ndrier at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:57 AM, MailToNick <mailtonick at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > Paul,
>  >  > Our management would object, for security reasons,  to having such a plan
>  >  > posted online.
>  >
>  >  Blech.  Like locks, disaster recovery plans should be strong enough to
>  >  stand up to public scrutiny, and show improvement for it.
>  >
>  >  --tim
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >  grlug mailing list
>  >  grlug at grlug.org
>  >  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>  >
>
>  NIST has a good outline for building DR plans,  they even include some examples.
>
>  http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-34/sp800-34.pdf
>
>  The hard part about finding 'sample' DR plans is that they include
>  very sensitive information,  and they are usually very specific to a
>  individual businesses needs.  That said,  a good DR plan is a very,
>  very important thing to have and can make all the difference when you
>  need it.
>
>  Nate
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 

Ubber::Geek
http://grlug.org/

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar 13 11:11:01 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:11:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Meeting *TONIGHT - 6-8PM
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D639@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting *TONIGHT
Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com> so I can make sure to have enough.
*Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies, Vegetarian, Etc.).
Date and Time:
Thursday March 13th
6:00 PM - 8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Location:
N-Vint, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Drive SE, Caledonia
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
Topics:
Demo of a nomachine client and server install www.nomachine.com<http://www.nomachine.com/> Bring your Notebooks so we can try different distros.
IPv6


 *   Find out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum)
 *   Government mandating that all its networks and the networks of its contractors go IPV6 by June of this year?
 *   There are members that have worked with this and could share some knowledge.
Schools promote 'open source' computing

 *   http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th for more info visit www.wmlug.org<http://www.wmlug.org/>
Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com<mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."

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From mikemol at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 12:07:15 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:07:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Undeleting on EXT3
Message-ID: <f5e00c450803130907q4e3addf5l6858eca9b9afce3c@mail.gmail.com>

This popped up on a blog aggregator I watch.  Thought you folks might
find it interesting.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

-- 
:wq

From mailtonick at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 12:59:48 2008
From: mailtonick at gmail.com (MailToNick)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:59:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Meeting -Anyone carpooling from Holland/Zeeland?
Message-ID: <30bcf8860803130959g545459cava434a78307943053@mail.gmail.com>

I'm near 196 and Chicago Drive in Zeeland.
Nick ...616-780-3907
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From darth_linux at ameritech.net  Thu Mar 13 13:28:11 2008
From: darth_linux at ameritech.net (darth_linux at ameritech.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:28:11 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Meeting *TONIGHT - 6-8PM
Message-ID: <031320081728.26016.47D9642B0004954F000065A022218675169B0A02D2080C0A9B079D0A030EBF989A020704A1089B9D0E0B@att.net>


 
 <insert stream of explicative> I will be unable to attend as I was roped into work tonight. 

thanks and enjoy

eah
 -------------- Original message from Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com>: --------------


GRLUG (Grand Rapids Linux Users Group) March Meeting *TONIGHT
Food will be provided so please RSVP to cdubois at n-vint.com so I can make sure tohave enough. 
*Also let me know if you have any special needs (Allergies,Vegetarian, Etc.).
Date and Time:
ThursdayMarch 13th
6:00 PM -8:00 PM (food will be ready @ 6:00)

Location:
N-Vint, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park  Drive SE, Caledonia
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3240+Hanna+Lake+Industrial+Park+Drive+SE,+Caledonia,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=24.455808,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=42.847275,-85.580063&spn=0.085205,0.159645&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
Topics:
Demo of anomachine client and server install www.nomachine.comBring your Notebooks so we can try different distros.
IPv6
  Find     out why some think it will be (like 5-7 years minimum) Government     mandating that all its networks and the networks of its contractors go     IPV6 by June of this year? There     are members that have worked with this and could share some knowledge.
Schools promote 'open source' computing http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050312/1002/NEWS01
***Looking for home/fun Linux topics****
FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th formore info visit www.wmlug.org
Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
AOL IM: CaseyNVINT
cdubois at n-vint.com
 
?To err is human, but to really foul things up youneed a computer.? 
   
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar 13 13:49:49 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:49:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Meeting *TONIGHT - 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <031320081728.26016.47D9642B0004954F000065A022218675169B0A02D2080C0A9B079D0A030EBF989A020704A1089B9D0E0B@att.net>
References: <031320081728.26016.47D9642B0004954F000065A022218675169B0A02D2080C0A9B079D0A030EBF989A020704A1089B9D0E0B@att.net>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D6F6@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

When you have a moment could you call me @ 616-808-6942?
I had a couple WIKI questions.
Casey
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Thu Mar 13 13:53:01 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:01 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] FW:  GRLUG Meeting *TONIGHT - 6-8PM
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D6FA@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Sorry LUG,
This message was for EAH.




Eric,

When you have a moment could you call me @ 616-808-6942?
I had a couple WIKI questions.
Casey
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From blubdog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 16:10:12 2008
From: blubdog at gmail.com (Bruce Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:10:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG Meeting *TONIGHT - 6-8PM
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D639@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D639@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <b52f2d360803131310k64d4fb59t95e0700a39b52351@mail.gmail.com>

> FYI - The WMLUG meeting will be Thursday March 27th for more info visit
> www.wmlug.org

Are there two LUG's in Grand Rapids?

What's the difference between them?

Does wmlug have a mailing list?

 - BS

From cdubois at n-vint.com  Fri Mar 14 10:40:33 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:40:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2

Sincerely,
Casey M. DuBois
N-VINT, Inc.
3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
616-656-5500 Office
866-337-2686 Direct
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From jd.walsh at comcast.net  Fri Mar 14 12:06:40 2008
From: jd.walsh at comcast.net (JD Walsh III)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:06:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>

Anybody know a good site detailing general Linux virus vulnerabilities? 
Everything I've found so far is spread over multiple internet sites 
(usually a program creator's site).

--jd

Casey DuBois wrote:
>
> Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2 
> <http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> /Casey M. DuBois/
>
> *N-VINT, Inc.*
>
> 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
>
> 616-656-5500 Office
>
> *866-337-2686* Direct
>
> /AOL IM: *CaseyNVINT*/
>
> cdubois at n-vint.com <mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>*//*
>
> ?To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.?
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 12:44:30 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:44:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
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http://secunia.com/product/

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM, JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net> wrote:
> Anybody know a good site detailing general Linux virus vulnerabilities?
>  Everything I've found so far is spread over multiple internet sites
>  (usually a program creator's site).
>
>  --jd
>
>
>  Casey DuBois wrote:
>  >
>  > Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>  >
>  > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
>  > <http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2>
>  >
>  > Sincerely,
>  >
>  > /Casey M. DuBois/
>  >
>  > *N-VINT, Inc.*
>  >
>  > 3240 Hanna Lake Industrial Park Dr. SE, Caledonia, MI 49316
>  >
>  > 616-656-5500 Office
>  >
>  > *866-337-2686* Direct
>  >
>  > /AOL IM: *CaseyNVINT*/
>  >
>  > cdubois at n-vint.com <mailto:cdubois at n-vint.com>*//*
>
> >
>  > "To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."
>  >
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From cdubois at n-vint.com  Fri Mar 14 13:27:09 2008
From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:27:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>

Am I correct in assuming that MOST of these virus' would not affect Linux systems?

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mol [mailto:mikemol at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:45 PM
To: grlug at grlug.org
Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed

http://secunia.com/product/

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM, JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net> wrote:
> Anybody know a good site detailing general Linux virus vulnerabilities?
>  Everything I've found so far is spread over multiple internet sites
>  (usually a program creator's site).
>
>  --jd
>
>
>  Casey DuBois wrote:
>  >
>  > Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>  >
>  > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
>  > <http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2>
>  >
>  > Sincerely,
>  >
>  > /Casey M. DuBois/
>  >

From jtr at jrichards.org  Fri Mar 14 13:56:35 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:56:35 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <20080314175634.GA26592@jrichards.org>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:27:09PM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that MOST of these virus' would not affect Linux systems?

How could they?  In order to do something bad, a virus must be
executable.  In order to be executable a virus must be copied to the
Linux box and made executable (chmod) and then *executed*.  Connecting
a device to a Linux box is not going to do this, is it?  I do not know
of a means to do this automatically.  Then again, I do not often ponder
virus creation, either.
-- 
john-thomas
------
The reason men worship God in a casual way is because they do not see
God in His Glory.  If a man has ever had Isaiah's vision of the Holiness
of God, he would be changed in an instant.  But until men have seen God
as He truly is they will be forever guilty of the very same rebuke that
God gave to the wicked in Psalms 50:21: 'You thought I was just like
you'.
Jeremiah Burroughs, pastor and author (1599-1646)

From jtr at jrichards.org  Fri Mar 14 13:59:36 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:59:36 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
Message-ID: <20080314175936.GB26592@jrichards.org>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2

I bought my wife a laptop that came with a virus pre-installed.  I
cannot remove the virus until the warranty is up (strangely, the
manufacturer, HP, voids the warranty if I replace the virus with Linux).
Alas.  In a year or so I can wipe out the virus and put Debian on it.
My wife even asked me if I would.  :-)
-- 
john-thomas
------
Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.
Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist (1825-1895)

From jtr at jrichards.org  Fri Mar 14 14:03:58 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:03:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <20080314175634.GA26592@jrichards.org>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20080314175634.GA26592@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <20080314180358.GC26592@jrichards.org>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:56:35PM -0400, john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:27:09PM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> > Am I correct in assuming that MOST of these virus' would not affect Linux systems?
> 
> How could they?  In order to do something bad, a virus must be
> executable.  In order to be executable a virus must be copied to the
> Linux box and made executable (chmod) and then *executed*.  Connecting
> a device to a Linux box is not going to do this, is it?  I do not know
> of a means to do this automatically.  Then again, I do not often ponder
> virus creation, either.

Here is what I meant: Microsoft Windows is designed to automatically
run *programs* on a device that is connected (autorun for a CD, USB
devices, etc.).  If pop a DVD into my drive, Debian starts a movie
viewer to view the content, but if the DVD/CD/USB device has binaries
on them, Debian (Linux in general) does not automatically run the
binaries.  More involvement from the user is required.  As I mentioned
above, I am not aware of a mechanism in Linux that would automatically
run a binary found on a device that is attached to the system.
-- 
john-thomas
------
You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year
of discussion.
Plato, philosopher (427-347 BCE)

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 14:10:52 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:10:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f5e00c450803141110p4f9fb5b5ydfdc3b4c46408d9d@mail.gmail.com>

It's not a list of Linux viruses, but of vulnerabilities.  You can see
the history of advisories for RHEL WS4, for example:

http://secunia.com/product/4670/

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Casey DuBois <cdubois at n-vint.com> wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that MOST of these virus' would not affect Linux systems?
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Michael Mol [mailto:mikemol at gmail.com]
>  Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:45 PM
>  To: grlug at grlug.org
>  Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
>
>  http://secunia.com/product/
>
>  On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM, JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net> wrote:
>  > Anybody know a good site detailing general Linux virus vulnerabilities?
>  >  Everything I've found so far is spread over multiple internet sites
>  >  (usually a program creator's site).
>  >
>  >  --jd
>  >
>  >
>  >  Casey DuBois wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  > Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>  >  >
>  >  > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
>  >  > <http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2>
>  >  >
>  >  > Sincerely,
>  >  >
>  >  > /Casey M. DuBois/
>  >  >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  grlug mailing list
>  grlug at grlug.org
>  http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 14:34:53 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:53 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803141110p4f9fb5b5ydfdc3b4c46408d9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<f5e00c450803141110p4f9fb5b5ydfdc3b4c46408d9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47DAC54D.9050604@gmail.com>

It would seem that with wine (or cedega, or crossover, all wine-alikes) 
installed, you may have more exposure than you think.

am i wrong?

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 15:00:37 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:00:37 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <47DAC54D.9050604@gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>
	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Steve Romanow <slestak989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It would seem that with wine (or cedega, or crossover, all wine-alikes)
>  installed, you may have more exposure than you think.
>
>  am i wrong?

You're not wrong.  However, there are viruses that won't work under
WINE. (Go figure.)

I recall fanfare over the fact that a virus had failed to work under
WINE, and that there was subsequent debate in the WINE community as to
whether to fix the broken functionality the virus had tried to use.
(Something to do with registry access, IIRC.)


-- 
:wq

From slestak989 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 15:08:03 2008
From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:03 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] mugshot?
Message-ID: <47DACD13.3030901@gmail.com>

Can we consider making a grlug mugshot group?

Anyone use mugshot already?  I am on there.

Steve

From jd.walsh at comcast.net  Fri Mar 14 16:01:58 2008
From: jd.walsh at comcast.net (JD Walsh III)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:01:58 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <20080314175634.GA26592@jrichards.org>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>	<47DAA290.8030805@comcast.net>	<f5e00c450803140944q681afbf6yf4a587ed66e469c@mail.gmail.com>	<1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D9EF@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:27:09PM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
>   
>> Am I correct in assuming that MOST of these virus' would not affect Linux systems?
>>     
>
> How could they?  In order to do something bad, a virus must be
> executable.  In order to be executable a virus must be copied to the
> Linux box and made executable (chmod) and then *executed*.  Connecting
> a device to a Linux box is not going to do this, is it?  I do not know
> of a means to do this automatically.  Then again, I do not often ponder
> virus creation, either.
>   
<rant>
What you say is true. However, I *do* ponder virus creation. Paranoid, 
maybe, but I figure the best defense is a good offense. At this point my 
main concerns with Linux distros are twofold:

1) Trojan Horse programs that a user might be fooled into executing.
2) Files that other programs may use, not realizing that those files 
are, in fact, telling the program to do undesirable things.

The way Linux is designed I think that #2 is clearly the more present 
danger for any Linux distro. Consider what Steve Romanow wrote:
> It would seem that with wine (or cedega, or crossover, all wine-alikes) 
> installed, you may have more exposure than you think.
Tricking wine into running a Windows virus is a perfect example of how 
Linux could be compromised. Other, more likely ones, include exploits in 
such universal programs as Firefox and Thunderbird. (Anyone recall any 
of the warnings regarding GreaseMonkey scripts for Firefox? I think it's 
still an issue.) Or macro viruses. Is there any reason why some hacker 
couldn't write a macro virus for OpenOffice which would compromise 
Linux? Granted, something like that would probably have to target Linux 
specifically, but my point is that we are not invulnerable. This is 
especially true of our internet connections, where we are essentially 
using the same protocols as Windows and every other operating system. My 
router received over 100 Ping of Death attacks in the first three weeks 
of February alone. I don't know about you, but if an attack were to lock 
up my Ethernet card, I wouldn't be much comforted telling myself, "Hey, 
at least my OS is still running."

And don't even get me started on password security...
</rant>

--jd
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From david at pembrook.net  Fri Mar 14 16:48:56 2008
From: david at pembrook.net (David Pembrook)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:48:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <20080314175936.GB26592@jrichards.org>
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john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
>   
>> Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
>>     
>
> I bought my wife a laptop that came with a virus pre-installed.  I
> cannot remove the virus until the warranty is up (strangely, the
> manufacturer, HP, voids the warranty if I replace the virus with Linux).
> Alas.  In a year or so I can wipe out the virus and put Debian on it.
> My wife even asked me if I would.  :-)
>   
Why wait?

You could make those nice restore cd/dvd's that they never bother to 
include any more... Use it with Linux, if it need factory work, restore 
the original os.

Dave

From mikemol at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 17:07:22 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:07:22 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <47DAE4B8.9060809@pembrook.net>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:48 PM, David Pembrook <david at pembrook.net> wrote:
> john-thomas richards wrote:
>  > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
>  >
>  >> Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
>  >>
>  >> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
>  >>
>  >
>  > I bought my wife a laptop that came with a virus pre-installed.  I
>  > cannot remove the virus until the warranty is up (strangely, the
>  > manufacturer, HP, voids the warranty if I replace the virus with Linux).
>  > Alas.  In a year or so I can wipe out the virus and put Debian on it.
>  > My wife even asked me if I would.  :-)
>  >
>  Why wait?
>
>  You could make those nice restore cd/dvd's that they never bother to
>  include any more... Use it with Linux, if it need factory work, restore
>  the original os.

Unless the factory work makes restoration impossible.  This could
happen in the case of a bad CD-ROM drive, bad hard drive, or a variety
of mainboard failures.  True, you might be able to put the hard
drive(assuming it works) in a different box, but that's still more
work than a simple restoration.


-- 
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From bob.kline at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 17:11:11 2008
From: bob.kline at gmail.com (Bob Kline)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:11:11 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Some Viruses Come Pre-Installed
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450803141407r2f85c0e2u8ce46450e58cb283@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BAA77C18160E14CBDF66C8369EDAFDB1B4142D91C@NVMBX01.nvint.local>
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:48 PM, David Pembrook <david at pembrook.net>
> wrote:
> > john-thomas richards wrote:
> >  > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM -0400, Casey DuBois wrote:
> >  >
> >  >> Interesting story about Pre-Installed Viruses on Retail devices.
> >  >>
> >  >> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4446944&page=2
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  > I bought my wife a laptop that came with a virus pre-installed.  I
> >  > cannot remove the virus until the warranty is up (strangely, the
> >  > manufacturer, HP, voids the warranty if I replace the virus with
> Linux).
> >  > Alas.  In a year or so I can wipe out the virus and put Debian on it.
> >  > My wife even asked me if I would.  :-)
> >  >
> >  Why wait?
> >
> >  You could make those nice restore cd/dvd's that they never bother to
> >  include any more... Use it with Linux, if it need factory work, restore
> >  the original os.
>
> Unless the factory work makes restoration impossible.  This could
> happen in the case of a bad CD-ROM drive, bad hard drive, or a variety
> of mainboard failures.  True, you might be able to put the hard
> drive(assuming it works) in a different box, but that's still more
> work than a simple restoration.
>
>

While not included,  you can call HP and
obtain backup disks.  It's an ordeal.  And
you will probably find yourself in India at
some point.  But I've done i