From rh90p at comcast.net  Sun Jun  1 22:41:55 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:41:55 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>

I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.

Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
  1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe) 
  2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black screen a little before the bot completes. 
  3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel panic a little ways in.
  4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package selection using the default package selection but then a package fails to install and it quits.  If I deselect that then another package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30 packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.  Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes tits up.
  5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it on the CUV4X-DLS
  6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.

(caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped support for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID. There are supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant get in to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small but very fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the VIA. 

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
> On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 20:20 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> > What Motherboards do you run Linux on?  I have 3 ASUS machines that I
> > have been unable to install any flavor of Linux on since SuSE 9.3.
> > People I know from work are saying that they have been unable to
> > install on their machines also.  
> > 
> > I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe 64bit dual core 3800+AMD w/ 3GB ram.  On
> > that one Fedora 9 installer goes black screen just after I pick the
> > keyboard type (in graphic mode).  In ran the installer in text mode
> > and got a kernel panic in about the same place.
> > 
> > I also have an ASUS CUV4X-DLS 32bit dual processor 1000 Intel w750MB
> > and an ASUS P3V4X 32bit 600 Intel w/ 512MB ram.  The behavior varies
> > but the result is that I can't install on anything I have using
> > openSuSE 10.1 to 10.3, Fedora 8 to 9, Ubunto, etc.
> > 
> > I am no newbie.  I've been running Linux at home since Redhat 6.2 (the
> > first version that looed serious) and I was the Linux guru for an
> > entire division of a large company.
> 
> Okay, quick question:
> 
> Have you used the same Optical reader and/or the Video Card for them
> all?
> 
> I dealt with a man that said Linux would not load at all on any setups.
> Turns out he was using the same Optical Reader (which had a sticky read
> head in some places) and the same ATI Video card PCI card he took out of
> his Windows machine that had issues in Windows as well.
> 
> Lesson here: Make sure you are using usable hardware.
> -- 
> greg at gregfolkert.net
> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
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> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
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> 
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From driveray at ameritech.net  Mon Jun  2 05:10:48 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:10:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4843B918.1000007@ameritech.net>

rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification
> checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS 
> also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on
> Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
> 
> Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
>   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the
       partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe)
>   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts 
       booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black
       screen a little before the bot completes.
>   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the
       keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel
       panic a little ways in.
>   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package
       selection using the default package selection but then a package
       fails to install and it quits.

Does this failure give a CRC error on the RPM package? The last time I
ran into a SuSE install that bombed in this manner it was on an old
motherboard with capacitors on the verge of failing. That is the kind of
thing that could cause different, strange errors in different situations.

       If I deselect that then another
       package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30
       packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.
       Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes
       tits up.
>   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it
       on the CUV4X-DLS
>   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  
       Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it
       matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has
       an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.
> 
> (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA 
  SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install
  says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the
  machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped
support
  for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID.
There are
  supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant
get in
  to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small
but very
  fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the
VIA.

> 
>

From jd.walsh at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 10:19:25 2008
From: jd.walsh at comcast.net (JD Walsh III)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:19:25 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <4843B918.1000007@ameritech.net>
References: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
	<4843B918.1000007@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <4844016D.4090704@comcast.net>

Perhaps you should try running one of the installers in text mode 
instead of graphical and see what error messages show up. Also, are all 
the motherboards with these errors using the same BIOS?

--jd

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
>   
>> I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification
>> checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS 
>> also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on
>> Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
>>
>> Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
>>   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the
>>     
>        partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe)
>   
>>   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts 
>>     
>        booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black
>        screen a little before the bot completes.
>   
>>   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the
>>     
>        keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel
>        panic a little ways in.
>   
>>   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package
>>     
>        selection using the default package selection but then a package
>        fails to install and it quits.
>
> Does this failure give a CRC error on the RPM package? The last time I
> ran into a SuSE install that bombed in this manner it was on an old
> motherboard with capacitors on the verge of failing. That is the kind of
> thing that could cause different, strange errors in different situations.
>
>        If I deselect that then another
>        package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30
>        packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.
>        Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes
>        tits up.
>   
>>   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it
>>     
>        on the CUV4X-DLS
>   
>>   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  
>>     
>        Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it
>        matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has
>        an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.
>   
>> (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA 
>>     
>   SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install
>   says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the
>   machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped
> support
>   for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID.
> There are
>   supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant
> get in
>   to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small
> but very
>   fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the
> VIA.
>
>   
>>     
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>
>   

From tim at izzyig.com  Mon Jun  2 12:21:20 2008
From: tim at izzyig.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060220080241.908.48435DF30002CB440000038C2207020653CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48441E00.1090200@izzyig.com>

rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
>
> Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
>   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe) 
>   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black screen a little before the bot completes. 
>   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel panic a little ways in.
>   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package selection using the default package selection but then a package fails to install and it quits.  If I deselect that then another package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30 packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.  Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes tits up.
>   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it on the CUV4X-DLS
>   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.
>
> (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped support for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID. There are supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant get in to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small but very fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the VIA. 
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
>   
>> On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 20:20 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
>>     
>>> What Motherboards do you run Linux on?  I have 3 ASUS machines that I
>>> have been unable to install any flavor of Linux on since SuSE 9.3.
>>> People I know from work are saying that they have been unable to
>>> install on their machines also.  
>>>
>>> I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe 64bit dual core 3800+AMD w/ 3GB ram.  On
>>> that one Fedora 9 installer goes black screen just after I pick the
>>> keyboard type (in graphic mode).  In ran the installer in text mode
>>> and got a kernel panic in about the same place.
>>>
>>> I also have an ASUS CUV4X-DLS 32bit dual processor 1000 Intel w750MB
>>> and an ASUS P3V4X 32bit 600 Intel w/ 512MB ram.  The behavior varies
>>> but the result is that I can't install on anything I have using
>>> openSuSE 10.1 to 10.3, Fedora 8 to 9, Ubunto, etc.
>>>
>>> I am no newbie.  I've been running Linux at home since Redhat 6.2 (the
>>> first version that looed serious) and I was the Linux guru for an
>>> entire division of a large company.
>>>       
>> Okay, quick question:
>>
>> Have you used the same Optical reader and/or the Video Card for them
>> all?
>>
>> I dealt with a man that said Linux would not load at all on any setups.
>> Turns out he was using the same Optical Reader (which had a sticky read
>> head in some places) and the same ATI Video card PCI card he took out of
>> his Windows machine that had issues in Windows as well.
>>
>> Lesson here: Make sure you are using usable hardware.
>> -- 
>> greg at gregfolkert.net
>> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
>> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
>> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> grlug at grlug.org
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>>     
>
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>   
If you disabled raid in the bios those menu's won't work in POST. Try 
resetting the bios to default. Make sure you have the latest firmware 
for your motherboard also. I've been running Ubuntu on multiple asus 
boards one was an A7V400-MX and the other is an A8N-VM CSM. Had no 
propblems with either but I also wasn't running either with sata drives 
nor raid.

From grlug at tankrip.com  Mon Jun  2 22:33:32 2008
From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:33:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
Message-ID: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>

Not having compiled kernels before, I was hoping someone might be able  
to lend me some insight.  Here's what I've got going.

I am building a firewall/router/ap out of an old watchguard firebox  
700.  I am using pyramid linux (http://pyramid.metrix.net/trac/)as my  
distribution due to it's small stature and default read only booting  
(everything lives on a flash card).  While Pyramid is based on ubuntu,  
it does not have dpkg or apt-get so any compiling needs to be done on  
another system.  I have a ubuntu server setup with the pyramid kernel  
and config for compiling anything I might need to.  So far I have  
successfully compiled a tulip network driver on this box as a kernel  
module, moved it over, loaded it, and got my 3 other nics up.

What I'm having trouble with presently is compiling a whole kernel to  
suit some needs.  Those needs are the following:
	1. Add the tulip network driver (in kernel, not module) and remove  
all other unnecessary ones
	2. Add kernel support for APM real mode.  (The box does not reboot  
when I ask it to, I'm hoping this will fix that)

Ok, so...

Not having really compiled full kernels before, what is the "proper"  
method for doing this?  I've tried the following:
	
copy config file to source dir
make clean
make menuconfig (selecting my two requirements in addition to the  
preset config file)
make
Also tried make bzimage
scp kernel to firebox
add line in menu.lst, reboot and select new kernel.

This generally leads me this type of error:

  Booting 'Bzimage'

root (hd0,0)
  Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 console=ttys0,19200n8 reboot=bios

Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS


So, does anyone have any suggestions or anything obvious that I'm  
doing wrong?  Again, I'm a first timer with a kernel so it may be  
something really stupid that I just don't know.  I appreciate any help  
but I'm really looking for help going down the path that I'm headed,  
not "try this distro" or "why don't you just install XXX".  I do want  
this functional eventually but the project itself is more about  
learning for me so I'm trying not to jump ship when things get  
difficult.

Thanks in advance!

-Colin
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From jeffd at i2k.com  Mon Jun  2 22:58:06 2008
From: jeffd at i2k.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:58:06 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
In-Reply-To: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
References: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
Message-ID: <20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>

On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 10:33:32PM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> This generally leads me this type of error:
>
>  Booting 'Bzimage'
>
> root (hd0,0)
>  Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
> kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 console=ttys0,19200n8 reboot=bios
>
> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS

Is the hard disk larger than 8GB?  If so, this has nothing to do with 
your kernel build.  It's actually a message from your bootloader, grub.  
This is a limitation in the old/non-LBA BIOS of the machine.  To prevent 
this, you have to create a small boot partition at the beginning of the 
hard disk, and put the grub boot stages and your kernel(s) there.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>

From grlug at tankrip.com  Mon Jun  2 23:17:52 2008
From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:17:52 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
In-Reply-To: <20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
	<20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <9E87A397-B5C5-40F5-827A-659DCC883997@tankrip.com>

The disk I'm using is a 1GB flash drive with a single partition.  The  
method I used to install is listed here (http://pyramid.metrix.net/trac/wiki/InstallingPyramid/DD 
) but obviously the present working kernel sits on that same partition.


On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Jeff DeFouw wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 10:33:32PM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
>> This generally leads me this type of error:
>>
>> Booting 'Bzimage'
>>
>> root (hd0,0)
>> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
>> kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 console=ttys0,19200n8 reboot=bios
>>
>> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
>
> Is the hard disk larger than 8GB?  If so, this has nothing to do with
> your kernel build.  It's actually a message from your bootloader,  
> grub.
> This is a limitation in the old/non-LBA BIOS of the machine.  To  
> prevent
> this, you have to create a small boot partition at the beginning of  
> the
> hard disk, and put the grub boot stages and your kernel(s) there.
>
> -- 
> Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
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From jeffd at i2k.com  Tue Jun  3 01:02:15 2008
From: jeffd at i2k.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:02:15 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
In-Reply-To: <9E87A397-B5C5-40F5-827A-659DCC883997@tankrip.com>
References: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
	<20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>
	<9E87A397-B5C5-40F5-827A-659DCC883997@tankrip.com>
Message-ID: <20080603050215.GA12430@blorp.plorb.com>

On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 11:17:52PM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> The disk I'm using is a 1GB flash drive with a single partition.  The  
> method I used to install is listed here (http://pyramid.metrix.net/trac/wiki/InstallingPyramid/DD 
> ) but obviously the present working kernel sits on that same partition.

Flash media sometimes reports odd geometry.  Either grub or the BIOS is 
handling it incorrectly.  Check the output of the "geometry" command 
("geometry (hd0)" probably) in grub and make sure the numbers add up.  
Based on my search results, you can try overriding the geometry in grub, 
to something more like 125/255/63, in the grub setup procedure.  There 
wasn't any good news in the search results though.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>

From jd.walsh at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 07:43:48 2008
From: jd.walsh at comcast.net (JD Walsh III)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:43:48 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
Message-ID: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>

Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I 
will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject 
it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then 
the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're 
hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first 
time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts 
it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work 
just fine.

As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a 
low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's 
happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the 
motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. I suppose it's possible that 
there's a linux-related problem here somewhere, but my money says that 
the drive is going bad. Anyone have any thoughts?

--jd

From profinuyasha at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 09:21:49 2008
From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:21:49 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
In-Reply-To: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
References: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <aecf8abe0806030621w7e993e1lffc3c1ad2d3a0588@mail.gmail.com>

seem like you need new ROM, I have couple of ROM and I can sell for $10

most is CD-rom, few is cd burner and DVD burner

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net> wrote:

> Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I
> will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject
> it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then
> the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're
> hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first
> time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts
> it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work
> just fine.
>
> As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a
> low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's
> happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the
> motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. I suppose it's possible that
> there's a linux-related problem here somewhere, but my money says that
> the drive is going bad. Anyone have any thoughts?
>
> --jd
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From flanderb at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 09:29:08 2008
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:29:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
In-Reply-To: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
References: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e8898d550806030629g2d7ddb57h121b746e46df46e5@mail.gmail.com>

I would say hardware related issue.  The only time I have had the
drive open up again after inserting is if I put the cd in wrong and it
is over hanging the specified cd area and the CD door can't close.
Maybe you have a faulty sensor and the drive thinks it can't close, or
something like that.

Anyway, I would say just pick up a new drive, they are pretty cheap
now days, or if you don't want to buy one on the chance it isn't the
drive, I'm sure someone here might possibly have an extra one laying
around and would be willing to give/loan it to you for trouble
shooting purposes.  We meet about once a month.



On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net> wrote:
> Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I
> will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject
> it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then
> the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're
> hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first
> time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts
> it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work
> just fine.
>
> As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a
> low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's
> happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the
> motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. I suppose it's possible that
> there's a linux-related problem here somewhere, but my money says that
> the drive is going bad. Anyone have any thoughts?
>
> --jd
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



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From grlug at tankrip.com  Tue Jun  3 09:34:33 2008
From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:34:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
In-Reply-To: <20080603050215.GA12430@blorp.plorb.com>
References: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
	<20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>
	<9E87A397-B5C5-40F5-827A-659DCC883997@tankrip.com>
	<20080603050215.GA12430@blorp.plorb.com>
Message-ID: <31A0858A-8C98-4786-A21A-E648CB5A98C0@tankrip.com>

Forgive me for stupid questions...

If I already have a working kernel on the flash drive, doesn't that  
negate grub or my bios being an issue?  Is there something in the  
actual compilation of the kernel that I have to take in to  
consideration?


On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Jeff DeFouw wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 11:17:52PM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
>> The disk I'm using is a 1GB flash drive with a single partition.  The
>> method I used to install is listed here (http://pyramid.metrix.net/trac/wiki/InstallingPyramid/DD
>> ) but obviously the present working kernel sits on that same  
>> partition.
>
> Flash media sometimes reports odd geometry.  Either grub or the BIOS  
> is
> handling it incorrectly.  Check the output of the "geometry" command
> ("geometry (hd0)" probably) in grub and make sure the numbers add up.
> Based on my search results, you can try overriding the geometry in  
> grub,
> to something more like 125/255/63, in the grub setup procedure.  There
> wasn't any good news in the search results though.
>
> -- 
> Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>
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From jeffd at i2k.com  Tue Jun  3 11:42:20 2008
From: jeffd at i2k.com (Jeff DeFouw)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:42:20 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Kernel help
In-Reply-To: <31A0858A-8C98-4786-A21A-E648CB5A98C0@tankrip.com>
References: <4D6975C2-3037-4F71-8795-09C71B0820F3@tankrip.com>
	<20080603025806.GA9977@blorp.plorb.com>
	<9E87A397-B5C5-40F5-827A-659DCC883997@tankrip.com>
	<20080603050215.GA12430@blorp.plorb.com>
	<31A0858A-8C98-4786-A21A-E648CB5A98C0@tankrip.com>
Message-ID: <20080603154220.GA24019@blorp.plorb.com>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Colin Vallance wrote:
> If I already have a working kernel on the flash drive, doesn't that  
> negate grub or my bios being an issue?  Is there something in the  
> actual compilation of the kernel that I have to take in to  
> consideration?

Depending on what's broken, it may be that the kernel used to be in an 
earlier section of the flash drive, and (part of) the kernel was saved 
to a different area when you copied the new one over.  The kernel code 
isn't involved at this stage, so I don't think there's anything you can 
do in the kernel compile.  Grub is saying that it can't read the (whole) 
kernel file because it can't make a request for the sectors containing 
the file.

-- 
Jeff DeFouw <jeffd at i2k.com>

From djk at oneisp.net  Tue Jun  3 18:54:32 2008
From: djk at oneisp.net (Dennis Kaminski)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:54:32 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
In-Reply-To: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
References: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1212533673.7211.3.camel@lx52.ld>

On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 07:43 -0400, JD Walsh III wrote:
> Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I 
> will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject 
> it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then 
> the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're 
> hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first 
> time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts 
> it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work 
> just fine.
> 
> As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a 
> low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's 
> happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the 
> motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. I suppose it's possible that 
> there's a linux-related problem here somewhere, but my money says that 
> the drive is going bad. Anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> --jd
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 
> 

I ran into a problem before when I rotated a CD drive from horizontal to
vertical. 

Best regards,
Dennis




From darth_linux at ameritech.net  Tue Jun  3 20:31:39 2008
From: darth_linux at ameritech.net (eah)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:31:39 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] I neerd Linux and system security people
In-Reply-To: <200805300659.04510.darth_linux@ameritech.net>
References: <200805300659.04510.darth_linux@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <200806032031.40557.darth_linux@ameritech.net>

On Friday 30 May 2008 06:59:03 am eah wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> If you have a Master's degree in computers please contact me immediately.
> (The Linux person only needs a Bachelor's degree if they have certs like
> RHCE or MSCE)
>
> thanks,
>
> eah
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To elaborate, ITT Tech in Grand Rapids has adjunct faculty positions open for 
classes starting next week. There are courses in MS Exchange, Security, 
Win2k3 server, ASP and Visual basic besides the Linux course open. Please let 
me know right away if you are interested in this opportunity. 

thanks, 

eah 

From rh90p at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 22:50:28 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:50:28 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060420080250.8224.484602F40003A0FD000020202207021553CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>

No, it just says that the package(s) are damaged and aborts.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Raymond McLaughlin <driveray at ameritech.net>
> rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> > I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification
> > checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS 
> > also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on
> > Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
> > 
> > Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
> >   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the
>        partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe)
> >   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts 
>        booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black
>        screen a little before the bot completes.
> >   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the
>        keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel
>        panic a little ways in.
> >   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package
>        selection using the default package selection but then a package
>        fails to install and it quits.
> 
> Does this failure give a CRC error on the RPM package? The last time I
> ran into a SuSE install that bombed in this manner it was on an old
> motherboard with capacitors on the verge of failing. That is the kind of
> thing that could cause different, strange errors in different situations.
> 
>        If I deselect that then another
>        package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30
>        packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.
>        Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes
>        tits up.
> >   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it
>        on the CUV4X-DLS
> >   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  
>        Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it
>        matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has
>        an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.
> > 
> > (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA 
>   SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install
>   says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the
>   machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped
> support
>   for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID.
> There are
>   supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant
> get in
>   to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small
> but very
>   fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the
> VIA.
> 
> > 
> >
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From rh90p at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 01:06:09 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:06:09 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060420080506.13460.484622C100007F1F000034942205884484CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>

The CUV4X-DLS and the P3V4X both have Award BIOS, the A8V has American Megatrends.  They are all 3 ASUS boards and they all 3 have VIA chipsets.  

I also had a Tyan Tiger 133 which is also a VIA chipset.  I would not install any Linux after Fedora 2.

As I said before, in text mode I get a kernel panic after selecting keyboard.  In graphics mode it hangs, probably in the same spot.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: JD Walsh III <jd.walsh at comcast.net>
> Perhaps you should try running one of the installers in text mode 
> instead of graphical and see what error messages show up. Also, are all 
> the motherboards with these errors using the same BIOS?
> 
> --jd
> 
> Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> > rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> >   
> >> I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification
> >> checks OK when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS 
> >> also passes the media verification.  I think I also tried CD's on
> >> Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
> >>
> >> Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
> >>   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the
> >>     
> >        partitioning seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe)
> >   
> >>   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts 
> >>     
> >        booting and goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black
> >        screen a little before the bot completes.
> >   
> >>   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the
> >>     
> >        keyboard type in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel
> >        panic a little ways in.
> >   
> >>   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package
> >>     
> >        selection using the default package selection but then a package
> >        fails to install and it quits.
> >
> > Does this failure give a CRC error on the RPM package? The last time I
> > ran into a SuSE install that bombed in this manner it was on an old
> > motherboard with capacitors on the verge of failing. That is the kind of
> > thing that could cause different, strange errors in different situations.
> >
> >        If I deselect that then another
> >        package fails to install, and so forth until I've deselected 20-30
> >        packages.  It then completes an install but is somewhat unstable.
> >        Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it goes
> >        tits up.
> >   
> >>   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it
> >>     
> >        on the CUV4X-DLS
> >   
> >>   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  
> >>     
> >        Monitor, Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it
> >        matters the video on the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has
> >        an older ATI which I think is a Rage 128.
> >   
> >> (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA 
> >>     
> >   SATA controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install
> >   says that its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the
> >   machine was installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped
> > support
> >   for RAID and I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID.
> > There are
> >   supposed to be RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant
> > get in
> >   to either menu.  Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small
> > but very
> >   fast drives is disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the
> > VIA.
> >
> >   
> >>     
> > _______________________________________________
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From rh90p at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 01:15:01 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:15:01 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060420080515.18106.484624D500090F82000046BA2205884484CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tim <tim at izzyig.com>
> rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> > I only have one DVD burner on the A8V but the media verification checks OK 
> when I boot the CD.  The DVD reader on the CUX4X-DLS also passes the media 
> verification.  I think I also tried CD's on Fedora 8 burned on the CUX4V-DLS.
> >
> > Here's the whole scoop which I reran last night to be sure:  
> >   1) Knoppix 5.2 boots and runs on both machines (caveat) but the partitioning 
> seems odd on the A8V (Deluxe) 
> >   2) Fedora 9 Live burned on CD burner on the CUV4X-DLS starts booting and 
> goes a while in graphics mode but then goes black screen a little before the bot 
> completes. 
> >   3) Fedora 9 install from DVD hangs someplace past choosing the keyboard type 
> in graphics mode.  In text mode I get a kernel panic a little ways in.
> >   4) openSuSE 10.3 DVD install gets past all the setup and package selection 
> using the default package selection but then a package fails to install and it 
> quits.  If I deselect that then another package fails to install, and so forth 
> until I've deselected 20-30 packages.  It then completes an install but is 
> somewhat unstable.  Then when I try and add some of the packages that I want it 
> goes tits up.
> >   5) SuSE 9.3 installs and runs on both (caveat) and I am still using it on 
> the CUV4X-DLS
> >   6) Windows XP64 runs on the A8V, Windows 2K runs on the CUV4X-DLS.  Monitor, 
> Graphics Cards,  disks, CD's/DVDs etc all seem fine. If it matters the video on 
> the A8V is an ATI Radeon 7200, the CUV4X-DLS has an older ATI which I think is a 
> Rage 128.
> >
> > (caveat) There seems to be an issue with the RAID capable Promise and VIA SATA 
> controllers.  If I plug in more than one SATA HD the SuSE 9.3 install says that 
> its part of a RAID and not supported. The original Linux on the machine was 
> installed and running on RAID 0 but later kernels dropped support for RAID and 
> I've been trying to tell the board NOT to enable RAID. There are supposed to be 
> RAID menus triggered by special keys at POST but I cant get in to either menu.  
> Currently, the Promise with a matched set of small but very fast drives is 
> disabled in the BIOS and there is a single 250G on the VIA. 
> >
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
> >   
> >> On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 20:20 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> >>     
> >>> What Motherboards do you run Linux on?  I have 3 ASUS machines that I
> >>> have been unable to install any flavor of Linux on since SuSE 9.3.
> >>> People I know from work are saying that they have been unable to
> >>> install on their machines also.  
> >>>
> >>> I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe 64bit dual core 3800+AMD w/ 3GB ram.  On
> >>> that one Fedora 9 installer goes black screen just after I pick the
> >>> keyboard type (in graphic mode).  In ran the installer in text mode
> >>> and got a kernel panic in about the same place.
> >>>
> >>> I also have an ASUS CUV4X-DLS 32bit dual processor 1000 Intel w750MB
> >>> and an ASUS P3V4X 32bit 600 Intel w/ 512MB ram.  The behavior varies
> >>> but the result is that I can't install on anything I have using
> >>> openSuSE 10.1 to 10.3, Fedora 8 to 9, Ubunto, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I am no newbie.  I've been running Linux at home since Redhat 6.2 (the
> >>> first version that looed serious) and I was the Linux guru for an
> >>> entire division of a large company.
> >>>       
> >> Okay, quick question:
> >>
> >> Have you used the same Optical reader and/or the Video Card for them
> >> all?
> >>
> >> I dealt with a man that said Linux would not load at all on any setups.
> >> Turns out he was using the same Optical Reader (which had a sticky read
> >> head in some places) and the same ATI Video card PCI card he took out of
> >> his Windows machine that had issues in Windows as well.
> >>
> >> Lesson here: Make sure you are using usable hardware.
> >> -- 
> >> greg at gregfolkert.net
> >> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
> >> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
> >> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
> >> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
> >>
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> >   
> If you disabled raid in the bios those menu's won't work in POST. Try 
> resetting the bios to default. Make sure you have the latest firmware 
> for your motherboard also. I've been running Ubuntu on multiple asus 
> boards one was an A7V400-MX and the other is an A8N-VM CSM. Had no 
> propblems with either but I also wasn't running either with sata drives 
> nor raid.
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I removed the battery and shorted the reset pin, then reinstalled the battery.  It didn't change anything.  I suspect that the VIA and Promise SATA (RAID capable) controllers keep their setting on chip and the reset pin only resets the mainboard.  The reason I suspect the controllers is because when I try and reinstall from the SuSE 9.3 which was working, it says that everything is part of a RAID array and the feature is not supported.  Note that that would mean it is joining drives on two different controllers.  Or maybe 3 since I think the IDE is effectively separate.

From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed Jun  4 05:36:08 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:36:08 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
In-Reply-To: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
References: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48466208.3020508@ameritech.net>

JD Walsh III wrote:
> Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I 
> will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject 
> it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then 
> the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're 
> hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first 
> time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts 
> it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work 
> just fine.
> 
> As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a 
> low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's 
> happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the 
> motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. 

Checking the cable was a good idea. Getting a new one would be better. I
could cry at the amount of time I've spent trying to fix problems that
turned out to be because of bad data cables. But of course crying would
be a further waste of time :)
If that doesn't work a new drive (on your new cable) would probably be
the route of least resistance.



From jd.walsh at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 06:06:09 2008
From: jd.walsh at comcast.net (JD Walsh III)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:06:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Fussy Optical Drive [probably hardware]
In-Reply-To: <48466208.3020508@ameritech.net>
References: <48452E74.1090706@comcast.net> <48466208.3020508@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <48466911.5030508@comcast.net>

Raymond--

It sounds like you're right (as are all the others who suggested this). 
My natural tendency is to want to diagnose and fix the problem, but 
sometimes it's a more effective use of my time (and money, since my time 
is valuable) to simply let it go and replace the parts.

Still, it's good to confirm that it probably is hardware, as I thought. 
Thanks.

--jd

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> JD Walsh III wrote:
>   
>> Since I moved one of my computers to a new case, I have an issue where I 
>> will insert a CD or DVD into the main optical drive, and it will reject 
>> it. Specifically, the tray slides in, it thinks for a moment, and then 
>> the tray slides back out. No messages at all in Linux (unless they're 
>> hidden in a log file somewhere). Sometimes the disc stays in the first 
>> time, but usually it takes two or three tries before the drive accepts 
>> it. Once the drive accepts the disc, though, everything seems to work 
>> just fine.
>>
>> As I can use the drive with a minimum of inconvenience, this is a 
>> low-priority problem, but I would really like to know why it's 
>> happening. I've checked the cable connections from the drive to the 
>> motherboard (twice), and they seem snug. 
>>     
>
> Checking the cable was a good idea. Getting a new one would be better. I
> could cry at the amount of time I've spent trying to fix problems that
> turned out to be because of bad data cables. But of course crying would
> be a further waste of time :)
> If that doesn't work a new drive (on your new cable) would probably be
> the route of least resistance.

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Wed Jun  4 11:57:33 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:57:33 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060420080515.18106.484624D500090F82000046BA2205884484CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060420080515.18106.484624D500090F82000046BA2205884484CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1212595053.5953.5.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 05:15 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
[snip]
> I removed the battery and shorted the reset pin, then reinstalled the
> battery.  It didn't change anything.  I suspect that the VIA and
> Promise SATA (RAID capable) controllers keep their setting on chip and
> the reset pin only resets the mainboard.  The reason I suspect the
> controllers is because when I try and reinstall from the SuSE 9.3
> which was working, it says that everything is part of a RAID array and
> the feature is not supported.  Note that that would mean it is joining
> drives on two different controllers.  Or maybe 3 since I think the IDE
> is effectively separate.

These RAID lite chipsets (which is what they are) do not store configs
in them.

It is either stored on the HDs or in BIOS.

In BIOS turn off the RAID function to make it a regular ATA/SATA
controller, I know ASUS has that option in the BIOS, I have an AV8B and
AV-133 and about 5 other ASUS model currently here at home.

That "RAID" stuff is only really Supported in Windows via a Software
Driver. It' d be better to use MD-RAID rather than rely on the getting
that to work.

REAL RAID controllers cost money and are typically worth it.
-- 
greg at gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 14:37:28 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:37:28 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
Message-ID: <f5e00c450806041137v313f7293r8b0b6f541ad092fe@mail.gmail.com>

This looks like fun:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap

-- 
:wq

From networkman at triton.net  Wed Jun  4 14:54:18 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:54:18 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
References: <f5e00c450806041137v313f7293r8b0b6f541ad092fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6BDF3F794C347059E5ACDB0126BDB2B@kdl.net>

Thanks for posting that!  I have a friend that may be able to benefit from 
that with extra PCI video cards just sitting around. :)

Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Mol" <mikemol at gmail.com>
To: <grlug at grlug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap


> This looks like fun:
>
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
> 


From jtr at jrichards.org  Wed Jun  4 17:33:09 2008
From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:33:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
In-Reply-To: <f5e00c450806041137v313f7293r8b0b6f541ad092fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5e00c450806041137v313f7293r8b0b6f541ad092fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080604213309.GA15934@jrichards.org>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:37:28PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> This looks like fun:
> 
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap

That is cool.  So is a supercomputer made of video cards (just four!):

http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html
-- 
john-thomas
------
There is no man so good, who, were he to submit all his thoughts and
actions to the laws, would not deserve hanging ten times in his life.
Michel de Montaigne, essayist (1533-1592)

From casey at grlug.org  Thu Jun  5 09:46:42 2008
From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:46:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
In-Reply-To: <20080604213309.GA15934@jrichards.org>
References: <f5e00c450806041137v313f7293r8b0b6f541ad092fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080604213309.GA15934@jrichards.org>
Message-ID: <f0ffba670806050646x5ba9ea15l599ceb38002ef2ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, john-thomas richards <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:37:28PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>> This looks like fun:
>>
>> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap
>
> That is cool.  So is a supercomputer made of video cards (just four!):
>
> http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html
> --


JTR,
WOW that is really cool.
Thanks for the link.
Casey

From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 18:51:45 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
In-Reply-To: <f0ffba670806050646x5ba9ea15l599ceb38002ef2ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <892081.97976.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think the warning is interesting to read . . .
especially about the no ecc.  Sounds a bit like using
a saw to hammer in nails.  Someone could do it to show
it can be done or as a cool project, but i would think
there would be a lot better solutions for swap space
than using a video card.  There wasn't a meeting
tonight I hope as I think it has been a month now
since the last . . . 



--- Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, john-thomas richards
> <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:37:28PM -0400, Michael
> Mol wrote:
> >> This looks like fun:
> >>
> >>
>
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap
> >
> > That is cool.  So is a supercomputer made of video
> cards (just four!):
> >
> > http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html
> > --
> 
> 
> JTR,
> WOW that is really cool.
> Thanks for the link.
> Casey
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
>
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> 


From timschmidt at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 19:31:03 2008
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:31:03 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
In-Reply-To: <892081.97976.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <f0ffba670806050646x5ba9ea15l599ceb38002ef2ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<892081.97976.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0806051631g44997dfbx706fa1f3d92085e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:51 PM, John Harig <radiodurans at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the warning is interesting to read . . .
> especially about the no ecc.  Sounds a bit like using
> a saw to hammer in nails.  Someone could do it to show
> it can be done or as a cool project, but i would think
> there would be a lot better solutions for swap space
> than using a video card.  There wasn't a meeting
> tonight I hope as I think it has been a month now
> since the last . . .

Normal consumer RAM doesn't have ECC either.  You're moving data from
one unsafe source into another.  No big deal.

--tim

From rh90p at comcast.net  Thu Jun  5 21:43:33 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:43:33 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>

I broke down and finally called ASUS tech support.  They said that the A8V Deluxe will only run Redhat 7.3 and SuSE 8.1.  Newer linuxes will NOT run.  Also he said that CUV4X-DLS will not run ANY linux.

That brings me back to my original question: what MB is recommended for an up to date Linux?  Preferably one which will take my Socket 939 AMD dual core 64 at 3800+ and preferably SATA II support.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
> 
> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 05:15 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> [snip]
> > I removed the battery and shorted the reset pin, then reinstalled the
> > battery.  It didn't change anything.  I suspect that the VIA and
> > Promise SATA (RAID capable) controllers keep their setting on chip and
> > the reset pin only resets the mainboard.  The reason I suspect the
> > controllers is because when I try and reinstall from the SuSE 9.3
> > which was working, it says that everything is part of a RAID array and
> > the feature is not supported.  Note that that would mean it is joining
> > drives on two different controllers.  Or maybe 3 since I think the IDE
> > is effectively separate.
> 
> These RAID lite chipsets (which is what they are) do not store configs
> in them.
> 
> It is either stored on the HDs or in BIOS.
> 
> In BIOS turn off the RAID function to make it a regular ATA/SATA
> controller, I know ASUS has that option in the BIOS, I have an AV8B and
> AV-133 and about 5 other ASUS model currently here at home.
> 
> That "RAID" stuff is only really Supported in Windows via a Software
> Driver. It' d be better to use MD-RAID rather than rely on the getting
> that to work.
> 
> REAL RAID controllers cost money and are typically worth it.
> -- 
> greg at gregfolkert.net
> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
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From networkman at triton.net  Fri Jun  6 02:43:24 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (networkman at triton.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:43:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Video RAM as swap
In-Reply-To: <892081.97976.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <892081.97976.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1208.69.11.205.103.1212734604.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>

In a server environment, ECC is often employed an additional measure of
protection or security of data since it is expected that the data is of
some considerable importance.  But the SOHO market often has no such
measures in place, and you would be hard pressed to find ECC memory in any
of the consumer grade PCs and devices currently sold in the market.  And
that is what many organizations look to when trying to put together
relatively low-cost "super-computer" or cluster solutions.  The fact that,
dare I say, all of the PCs and notebooks that our own members are using
for all of their needs do not employ ECC technology actually doesn't give
me much cause for concern given the high level of quality control in the
components being used.

> I think the warning is interesting to read . . .
> especially about the no ecc.  Sounds a bit like using
> a saw to hammer in nails.  Someone could do it to show
> it can be done or as a cool project, but i would think
> there would be a lot better solutions for swap space
> than using a video card.  There wasn't a meeting
> tonight I hope as I think it has been a month now
> since the last . . .
>
>
>
> --- Casey DuBois <casey at grlug.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, john-thomas richards
>> <jtr at jrichards.org> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:37:28PM -0400, Michael
>> Mol wrote:
>> >> This looks like fun:
>> >>
>> >>
>>
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap
>> >
>> > That is cool.  So is a supercomputer made of video
>> cards (just four!):
>> >
>> > http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html
>> > --
>>
>>
>> JTR,
>> WOW that is really cool.
>> Thanks for the link.
>> Casey
>> _______________________________________________
>> grlug mailing list
>> grlug at grlug.org
>>
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>



From networkman at triton.net  Fri Jun  6 02:46:54 2008
From: networkman at triton.net (networkman at triton.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:46:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@com
	cast.net>
References: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1210.69.11.205.103.1212734814.squirrel@remotemail.triton.net>

The Dell Optiplex 620N I'm running at work with Suse 10 is both
dual-core(Intel) and running SATA, with no issues.

Sorry, I don't yet have the hardware or the Linux experience to answer
your question.

Rich


> I broke down and finally called ASUS tech support.  They said that the A8V
> Deluxe will only run Redhat 7.3 and SuSE 8.1.  Newer linuxes will NOT run.
>  Also he said that CUV4X-DLS will not run ANY linux.
>
> That brings me back to my original question: what MB is recommended for an
> up to date Linux?  Preferably one which will take my Socket 939 AMD dual
> core 64 at 3800+ and preferably SATA II support.
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 05:15 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > I removed the battery and shorted the reset pin, then reinstalled the
>> > battery.  It didn't change anything.  I suspect that the VIA and
>> > Promise SATA (RAID capable) controllers keep their setting on chip and
>> > the reset pin only resets the mainboard.  The reason I suspect the
>> > controllers is because when I try and reinstall from the SuSE 9.3
>> > which was working, it says that everything is part of a RAID array and
>> > the feature is not supported.  Note that that would mean it is joining
>> > drives on two different controllers.  Or maybe 3 since I think the IDE
>> > is effectively separate.
>>
>> These RAID lite chipsets (which is what they are) do not store configs
>> in them.
>>
>> It is either stored on the HDs or in BIOS.
>>
>> In BIOS turn off the RAID function to make it a regular ATA/SATA
>> controller, I know ASUS has that option in the BIOS, I have an AV8B and
>> AV-133 and about 5 other ASUS model currently here at home.
>>
>> That "RAID" stuff is only really Supported in Windows via a Software
>> Driver. It' d be better to use MD-RAID rather than rely on the getting
>> that to work.
>>
>> REAL RAID controllers cost money and are typically worth it.
>> --
>> greg at gregfolkert.net
>> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>> Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
>> Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
>> Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Jun  6 04:21:12 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:21:12 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4848F378.5070109@ameritech.net>

rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> I broke down and finally called ASUS tech support. They said that the
> A8V Deluxe will only run Redhat 7.3 and SuSE 8.1.  Newer linuxes will NOT
> run.  Also he said that CUV4X-DLS will not run ANY linux.

That surprises me, but SuSE 8.1 puts it back in the 2002-2003 era when
many hardware maker operated under the ASSumption that everybody ran
Windows. They probably did some quirky thing in the bios, but never
documented it.

> That brings me back to my original question: what MB is recommended for
> an up to date Linux?  Preferably one which will take my Socket 939 AMD
> dual core 64 at 3800+ and preferably SATA II support.

At the risk of generalizing over broadly, X86  mother boards that do not
work with Linux are rare exceptions now a-days. I would expect most any
modern motherboard. In general I have seen slightly better linux support
on NVidia chip sets than, for instance, ATI. But even there it's more a
matter of superior graphics drivers than anything to do with the core
logic chip set.

I'm also partial to Intel over AMD, but I haven't seen any particular
problems with Linux running on AMD. I would tend to shy away from VIA
CPU platforms, just because I haven't seen them really proven.

If you're looking for new mother boards, I recommend you pick out what
you think you want, based on general price/features, and then use a
google search to see if anyone has had problems getting Linux to work
with it. Or check the manufacturer's web-site.

My $0.02
Raymond McLaughlin


From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Jun  6 12:28:56 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:28:56 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060620080143.22879.48489645000971F60000595F2200750438CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1212769736.18819.16.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:43 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> I broke down and finally called ASUS tech support.  They said that the
> A8V Deluxe will only run Redhat 7.3 and SuSE 8.1.  Newer linuxes will
> NOT run.  Also he said that CUV4X-DLS will not run ANY linux.
> 
> That brings me back to my original question: what MB is recommended
> for an up to date Linux?  Preferably one which will take my Socket 939
> AMD dual core 64 at 3800+ and preferably SATA II support.

Yeap. Sure thing. They are crazy. The ONLY reason they say that is it is
the last thing they *PRODUCED* any kind of docs or drivers for.

Come on. Think a bit.

I am not saying they *DIDN'T* say that, just that if you think that
Newer Linux WILL NOT RUN... you are sadly mistaken.

Given that I have seen some *REALLY* weird things, an A8V not running
newer Linux is not one.

Officially supported and tested by ASUS, maybe.

Oh wait a sec, call ASUS about the AV-133 (supports upto a 1.4GHz
T-Bird) and ask them what version of Linux ran on that?

If they answer *ANYTHING* like your answer about the A8V, then they are
wrong. I have one sitting downstairs running Debian Sid (Lenny+newer
stuff basically).

One last hing you might discover, AGP Slots from those Motherboards are
at MOST AGP4x. If you put an AGP 4/8x card in them more than likely
you'll get a screen blanking and freezing like you described. 4x/8x
cards are NOT backwards compatible with 1x/2x/4x slots voltages and
clocking are different. Though they *MAY* work... highly likely they
won't.

And coming back to you question. Unless the hardware is wacky (and by
wacky I mean broken or damaged) any motherboard you choose, as long as
its a bit (6 months or older) older should work fine. There are
exceptions like My All Intel Chipset Laptop from Lenovo which worked
OOTB, with a few minor issues (sound and suspend not working)


-- 
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PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74  E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA  29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2


From rh90p at comcast.net  Sat Jun  7 00:05:27 2008
From: rh90p at comcast.net (rh90p at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:05:27 +0000
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
Message-ID: <060720080405.22088.484A09070000109B000056482207021053CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>

Video is an 8X card in an 8X slot.  I'm not a complete idiot.

ASUS says the drivers needed for the VIA and Promise are ONLY available for Windows.  My experience was leading me in that direction.  SuSE 9.3 seems to work except that it can't seem to deal with some state the VIA and Promise controllers seem to be in.  I'm not sure what is causing the kernel panic but its occuring at about the point where it might be attempting to access disks.  

I was getting the impression that VIA might no be well supported lately and someone else just said the same thing.  VIA used to be supported back when my P3V4X was new but I had the trouble with the Tyan Tiger 133 which was VIA and these are VIA.  Maybe its still in the kernel but no longer included by default.  If I could get something to work that I could build a kernel on I could find that out.


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
> 
> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:43 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> > I broke down and finally called ASUS tech support.  They said that the
> > A8V Deluxe will only run Redhat 7.3 and SuSE 8.1.  Newer linuxes will
> > NOT run.  Also he said that CUV4X-DLS will not run ANY linux.
> > 
> > That brings me back to my original question: what MB is recommended
> > for an up to date Linux?  Preferably one which will take my Socket 939
> > AMD dual core 64 at 3800+ and preferably SATA II support.
> 
> Yeap. Sure thing. They are crazy. The ONLY reason they say that is it is
> the last thing they *PRODUCED* any kind of docs or drivers for.
> 
> Come on. Think a bit.
> 
> I am not saying they *DIDN'T* say that, just that if you think that
> Newer Linux WILL NOT RUN... you are sadly mistaken.
> 
> Given that I have seen some *REALLY* weird things, an A8V not running
> newer Linux is not one.
> 
> Officially supported and tested by ASUS, maybe.
> 
> Oh wait a sec, call ASUS about the AV-133 (supports upto a 1.4GHz
> T-Bird) and ask them what version of Linux ran on that?
> 
> If they answer *ANYTHING* like your answer about the A8V, then they are
> wrong. I have one sitting downstairs running Debian Sid (Lenny+newer
> stuff basically).
> 
> One last hing you might discover, AGP Slots from those Motherboards are
> at MOST AGP4x. If you put an AGP 4/8x card in them more than likely
> you'll get a screen blanking and freezing like you described. 4x/8x
> cards are NOT backwards compatible with 1x/2x/4x slots voltages and
> clocking are different. Though they *MAY* work... highly likely they
> won't.
> 
> And coming back to you question. Unless the hardware is wacky (and by
> wacky I mean broken or damaged) any motherboard you choose, as long as
> its a bit (6 months or older) older should work fine. There are
> exceptions like My All Intel Chipset Laptop from Lenovo which worked
> OOTB, with a few minor issues (sound and suspend not working)
> 
> 
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Sat Jun  7 03:01:02 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:01:02 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <060720080405.22088.484A09070000109B000056482207021053CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
References: <060720080405.22088.484A09070000109B000056482207021053CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1212822062.21115.63.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>


On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 04:05 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
> Video is an 8X card in an 8X slot.  I'm not a complete idiot.
> 
> ASUS says the drivers needed for the VIA and Promise are ONLY
> available for Windows.  My experience was leading me in that
> direction.  SuSE 9.3 seems to work except that it can't seem to deal
> with some state the VIA and Promise controllers seem to be in.  I'm
> not sure what is causing the kernel panic but its occuring at about
> the point where it might be attempting to access disks.  
> 
> I was getting the impression that VIA might no be well supported
> lately and someone else just said the same thing.  VIA used to be
> supported back when my P3V4X was new but I had the trouble with the
> Tyan Tiger 133 which was VIA and these are VIA.  Maybe its still in
> the kernel but no longer included by default.  If I could get
> something to work that I could build a kernel on I could find that
> out.

Just as a note, I've only seen two machines ever not load a modern
Linux. Those machines being older machines that meet today's nominal
minimum base requirements, that being 32MB of RAM and Being a Pentium
Processor (Pentium-1) with at least a 2MB PCI video card and a 300MB
disk (SCSI, IDE, RLL or Winchester)

And both of them thar machines had some kind of funky hardware damage,
that also prevented Windows from being loaded, but could partially
function with 80x25 display without any video mode changing. One was
provided to me by John-Thomas, just recently.

As far as you current problems, disable the raid function. Usually ASUS
has "RAID or ATA" as modes for the "Raid-Lite" controllers built in. You
may also want to blank the first 1024 bytes of the disk(s) to be used.
>From a "LiveCD" on a console window:

	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=2 bs=512

With hda being replaced with the proper device (hda,hdb,hdX or
sda,sdb,sdX... etc)

FYI:
I have a Tyan Tiger with Dual Pentium 133 Processors and a whopping 48MB
of memory on the board. It was running a 2.4.18 kernel for years,
upgraded it to a 2.6.8 kernel without any problem. I used it as my
Firewall for a LONG TIME. Only reason I changed it, it generated to much
heat and I wanted a smaller form factor for my firewall.

I could take an inventory of all the motherboards I have here right now,
that have all seen Linux on them running smoothly without problems.

It you want I could even yank out my 24MB, 486-DX/2 66MHz and crank it
up and install Linux on it, including my #Nine VESA Localbus Video card,
with the ISA Slot Adaptec 1542A SCSI card and 210MB Micropolis SCSI hard
disk and 1X SCSI CDROM Reader and the 3C509 ISA 10MB NIC. The PC-Power
and Cooling 410W Slim Power supply is still good.

<sarcasm>
Nah. I doubt I know and I'm not sure who made the motherboard... I am
sure though, the manufacturer will say it won't support Linux ever. I
guess I shouldn't even try.
</sarcasm>

Another FYI
I also have a 4 Processor Pentium Pro machines with 2GB of EDO memory
that Windows never did support properly, as it was only made by Micron
before they were bought the first time. The machine's serial number for
this particular model is 7. It was developed for NetWare and for SCO
Unix.

This machine has PCI canisters, 4 slots each canister and two canisters
per module, stack-able to 4 modules and 8 PCI canisters total. Windows
doesn't only see 4 slots. NetWare can see 4 canisters and can only use
the first two slots of each canister if all canisters are used. Linux...
doesn't right now what to make of all the canisters, but complains about
unknown hard... but since it was early peering busses and followed the
spec... it can use all 32 pci slots. Micron never really got this
product off the ground and it was killed as soon as they were bought.

Have fun thinking I called you an idiot... which I didn't. I just called
ASUS crazy. As for drivers... stuff that old is included in the kernel
now-a-day. The only stuff being removed is architectures that have not
been made for 7-10+ years, like some of the early 68000 chips, Sparc32
chips (I still have a Sparcstation 5 with one) and the like.

And saying that VIA isn't well supported... Wow. VIA just published
(with an OSI approved license) lotsa code for their stuff, to get better
support for them period. I've also preferred VIA chipsets for many
years.

And as for the comment about the Video card, please understand stranger
things have shown up on my doorstep. Just because its obvious to you,
doesn't mean it *IS* to any one else. I operate under these auspices
when dealing with unknown people and hardware. Some take this as a slap
in the face, but I do it to everyone without exception. I've been bitten
to many times taking things for granted.

It happened yet again this week at my full time job. People hired to do
a job... aren't sometimes doing the things they need to do and are paid
to do, a HARD assumption to swallow when a Full refresh of production
code is to be rolled out and the person in charge of the project doesn't
even realize the scope. Meaning I had to fix everything for him... 10
minutes before the trigger automagically went off. He assumed that we
were just "over writing" the existing code based with deltas (like was
done for years). This meant about 60% of the code wasn't there.

I'm built up my skepticism over the years, from the school of hard
knocks and the ineptitude of the people I sometimes work amongst and the
accidental misdeeds of "promising but not seeing the full picture yet"
people.

I sometimes qualify "*NIX" people based on one - two part question:

        Tell me what terminfo and termcap are, and what do they do or
        define or function as.

Another good question:

        Tell me the differences between: "Spanning Tree Protocol" and
        "Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol"

If you can define those two things for me... without cheating, you'll
get a lot further with me. And no, I am not asking you to do these now
as these are face to face question.
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 04:58:07 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 04:58:07 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Choice of MB - Trouble Installing
In-Reply-To: <1212822062.21115.63.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <060720080405.22088.484A09070000109B000056482207021053CECACDCA059C@comcast.net>
	<1212822062.21115.63.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450806070158g2b7dd8fcm2493501c4d3ffcfd@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 04:05 +0000, rh90p at comcast.net wrote:
>> Video is an 8X card in an 8X slot.  I'm not a complete idiot.
>>
>> ASUS says the drivers needed for the VIA and Promise are ONLY
>> available for Windows.  My experience was leading me in that
>> direction.  SuSE 9.3 seems to work except that it can't seem to deal
>> with some state the VIA and Promise controllers seem to be in.  I'm
>> not sure what is causing the kernel panic but its occuring at about
>> the point where it might be attempting to access disks.
>>
>> I was getting the impression that VIA might no be well supported
>> lately and someone else just said the same thing.  VIA used to be
>> supported back when my P3V4X was new but I had the trouble with the
>> Tyan Tiger 133 which was VIA and these are VIA.  Maybe its still in
>> the kernel but no longer included by default.  If I could get
>> something to work that I could build a kernel on I could find that
>> out.
>
> Just as a note, I've only seen two machines ever not load a modern
> Linux. Those machines being older machines that meet today's nominal
> minimum base requirements, that being 32MB of RAM and Being a Pentium
> Processor (Pentium-1) with at least a 2MB PCI video card and a 300MB
> disk (SCSI, IDE, RLL or Winchester)
>
> And both of them thar machines had some kind of funky hardware damage,
> that also prevented Windows from being loaded, but could partially
> function with 80x25 display without any video mode changing. One was
> provided to me by John-Thomas, just recently.

On my own and as part of the GRCC Computer Club PC Clinic, I saw many
machines that would hang when booting Knoppix or Ubuntu off of
CD--Usually at some point when the kernel was probing the PCI bus for
I-know-not-what.  Most of the machines we dealt with were built during
or after 2000, and the distro versions in question were whatever was
current in the span of 2004 to 2006. Perhaps one in thirty machines
would have difficulty booting an OS.

I also recall two late-90s Thinkpads whose graphics hardware worked
fine under XFree86 3.3.6, but wouldn't work at all under XFree86 4.x.
But that didn't prevent those from booting Debian, which didn't have a
graphical init screen at the time. (I haven't seen raw Debian in a few
years, so I don't know whether or not it does these days.)


-- 
:wq

From radiodurans at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 14:13:33 2008
From: radiodurans at yahoo.com (John Harig)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Compiz not working properly on Ubuntu Hardy with ATI 9000
	radeon rv250 firegl
Message-ID: <276701.56846.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The drama continues . . . next issue to resolve . . . 

History:
Well if you may recall the dc jack broke off my
brother's inspiron 5150 (apparently the repair place
has lots of those as the jack is only soldered in two
places and they break easily), there was a subsequent
motherboard issue from the repair, and I didnt want to
put a couple hundred into a laptop motheboard so they
offered to exchange it with a used dell d600.


Issue: So the device has the following video device:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies
Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)

I talked my brother into letting me install ubuntu
8.04LTS, and after  he saw the eye candy compiz on
youtube, i tried to get it working on hardy. . . and
now I remember the frustration when i tried to get it
working before.

Effects didn't work after initial install so ... 

Procedure:

1) Tried installing fglrx - bad idea, but a great many
people are still suggesting it to me . . .

It was bad idea because 

Series 7000 - 9500 Uses AIGLX 
Series 9550 and higher uses FGLRX

so i reinstalled back to AIGLX

2) edited xorg.conf - my current file looks like this:


Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
	Option		"XkbVariant"	"altgr-intl"
	Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
	Driver		"synaptics"
	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"
	Option		"HorizEdgeScroll"	"0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250
[Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)"
	Driver		"ati"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
        Option		"GARTSize"	"64"
        Option 		"AGPMode"	"4" 	#optional
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
	Device		"Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Extensions"                                  
#Added from Wiki
        Option "Composite" "Enable"                   
#Added from Wiki
EndSection                                            
#Added from Wiki

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

3) added code to /etc/drirc

<driconf>

    <device screen="0" driver="radeon">

        <application name="all">

            <option name="allow_large_textures"
value="2" />

        </application>

     </device>

</driconf>

4)  Discovered that my card is blacklisted by Compiz
and I found the following to resolve:

To bypass the compiz-manager blacklist on various
video cards and drivers, run: ?  mkdir -p
~/.config/compiz; echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes >>
~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager  ?  More info:
http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist/

5) I was then able to select effects in appearences,
but it appeared very strange, like the resolution was
wrong and there was ghosting of windows:  

http://picpaste.com/del/7xDLa42F/Screenshot_9.png

So this is where I am at and playing around with it. 
The guy who was helping me with it said he gave up on
his and went back to gutsy... where it is working fine
for him apparently :).

I'm forging ahead, so any ideas would be welcome!

Below I am pasting the help thread I was using if it
helps with ideas:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/16729/


Jack_Sparrow's Notes on Enabling Effects on Pre 9550
Series Ati cards:
This Page for reference:
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52861/

New reference page for ATI and fglrx: 
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide

Xorg from my Dell C640 Laptop
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52615/

**************************************************************
**** Prerequisites
**************************************************************

Identify the video card in your system
	From cli / terminal type:
	lspci -v |grep ATI 

Make sure the following things are true about your
video card:

	It is a 'ATI' card, and also shows it is a 'Radeon'
card

	The model of the card is in the 7000 series, up to
9500, 

	The 'fglrx'driver does not support cards earlier than
the 9500.
    
	Only do this if you need hardware-accelerated 3D
support, or a display refresh rates higher than 60 Hz.

		The open source drivers are fine for all other
areas.
        
	Note that if you own an ATI card from the R400 series
or below,  
		you already have working 2D and may have accelerated
3D with the default drivers. 

	These cards include:
		R400 series Xnnn (X800, X700, etc) (3D works)
		R300 series (9300+) (3D works)
		R200 and R100 series (9200 and below)

*****************************************************************************
**** Some Important Notes:
*****************************************************************************

First and most important.. You do not need new
drivers...  The preinstalled, open source drivers work
fine

Second and almost as important..  If you installed (or
even just tried to install) Xorg-driver-FGLRX , you
need to remove it
	It will NOT correctly work with these cards...	
	After you remove fglrx, you sometimes need to
reinstall the libgl1-mesa-glx package (that's the mesa
libgl)

Verifying fglrx is not installed:
	From cli / terminal type:
	fglrxinfo

	It should show: The program 'fglrxinfo' is currently
not installed.


Multiple X server screens (eg. :0 and :1) will cause
Xorg to disable direct rendering; as such, Compiz will
not work with such setups.

Xinerama will cause Xorg to disable direct rendering,
so Compiz will not work with such setups either. 
	For Xinerama-like functionality, you will need to use
MergedFB (the radeon man page has some useful
information on setting this up).

I did find that this help page did not work for
someone that had tried Automatix to get Compiz-Effects
working.

******************************************************************************
**** Getting Started...
*****************************************************************************

Open Synaptic
Enable all the extra Repositories
(I also like to disable the CD as a repo while in
there)

Search for Xorg-driver-FGLRX 
If it is enabled ( installed...)  Mark it for complete
removal and click on apply

Search for libgl1-mesa-glx 
If it is NOT enabled ( installed...)  Mark it for
Installation and click on apply

Search for and install CCSM  - 
compizconfig-settings-manager Mark it for installation
and click on apply

Search for and Install - xserver-xorg-video-all

*****************************************************************************
**** Close Synaptic
*****************************************************************************

Before you make changes to your Xorg:

Always have a backup copy in the same directory:
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup

Write down on a piece of paper the command from cli to
restore that backup if needed:
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf

While you have a pen and paper..  

If you get stuck at a cli or use escape to get into
recovery mode cli use this command to make changes:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
Note: Failsafe is to select Vesa Mode/Driver  1024 x
768 Max res and simple setup

To Restart After Reconfiguring:
/etc/init.d/gdm restart

To Create a copy of the xorg on your desktop for easy
viewing: Not a bad idea to have for reference.
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/Desktop/xorg.conf.$(date
+%m-%d-%Y-%T)

To make the changes to your Xorg from GUI:
gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

To make the changes to your Xorg from cli
sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Save and Exit with... ctrl-o then ctrl-x   

*****************************************************************************
***** Make those 'xorg.conf' Changes Now...
***********************************************************

Log out and back in.. You can use
ctrl-alt-backspace... to restart X... but I prefer to
avoid using that command
If you do use ctrl-alt-backspace  please be sure to
shut down all programs first.

Click on System... Preferences... Appearance.... 
Visual Effects...  You should now be able to enable
effects

Additional note:
Due to AIGLX, you may need to tell your 3D driver to
use indirect rendering. 
This command tells you if you have direct rendering
enabled...  glxinfo | grep direct

To Set the Environment variable before the compiz
command. 
What you enter in the terminal should look like this:
LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz --replace
--indirect-rendering --sm-disable ccp &  

***********************************************************************************
**** Changes:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
*****************************************************************************

There are a couple simple changes to your xorg that
you need to get Compiz-Effects working
I remarked the additions that did not need to be added
on this system to get basic effects to work
	but they may be required on other systems, or may
make your system faster when applied. 
	Just know how to reconfigure it from cli to get back
in... :)

I added four lines to the following section:
Section "Device"
	Identifier	"ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7
LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]"
	Driver		"ati"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
#        Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"        
  #Added from Wiki   Effects will work without this
turned on (Testing with Cube)
         Option "GARTSize""64"                        
  #Added from Ulga   Effects will not work unless this
is turned on (Testing with Cube)
#        Option "AGPMode""4"                          
  #Added from Ulga   Effects will work without this
turned on but may be faster if on
#        Option "AGPFastWwrite" "true"                
  #Added from Compiz-Effects  will work without and
may be unstable on some systems
EndSection

I added a new Section right below the EndSection for
Section "Screen"

#Section "Extensions"                                 
   #Added from Wiki.. But this section should no
longer be needed
#        Option "Composite" "Enable"                  
   #Added from Wiki.. add reference here for Xorg
version or module
#EndSection                                           
   #Added from Wiki.. for cut off date/version where
this is needed

I added two lines to the following section:
Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
#        Option "AIGLX""true"                         
   #Added from Ulga and #Added from Wiki  
#                                                     
   #Effects will work without this turned on (Testing
with Cube)
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"

#*****************************************************************************
#*** End Xorg Changes:
#***************************************************8

Patch/Hack Number Two:  Increasing the Available size
for textures on the series one cards  ..from 1024 to
2048
Posted by crdlb on Thu 3 Jan on #Ubuntu

I tested effects on my ATI 7500 Mobility Radeon at
1400 x 1050 and they worked

gksudo gedit /etc/drirc
Add the following lines and save the file

<driconf>

    <device screen="0" driver="radeon">

        <application name="all">

            <option name="allow_large_textures"
value="2" />

        </application>

     </device>

</driconf>

*****************************************************************************
**** End Jack_Sparrow
**************************************************************************************


*****************************************************************************
**** My Rewrite of:
http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ATI_with_AIGLX
**************************************************************************************

This page details how to set up Compiz-Effects for
supported ATI/AMD cards with the open source driver.

Contents

   1. Identifying the generation for your ATI card	
   2. Settings in xorg.conf
   3. Notes

For 1st-generation through 4th-generation Radeon cards
(but excluding the Xpress chipsets), the open source
'ati' driver, in combination with AIGLX, is the
recommended method for running Compiz. This range
extends from the Radeon DDR/SDR/7000 through the
X1050.

First-generation Radeons have a maximum 3D texture
resolution of 1024x1024, so Compiz will not work
properly on displays larger than that unless the
second patch/hack is applied.

2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation Radeons (from the 9250
through the X1050) support a maximum 3D texture
resolution of 2048x2048. This means that you cannot
run Compiz properly on (for example) two 1280x1024
screens (with a total resolution of 2560x1024) in a
horizontal MergedFB setup (although a vertical setup
would work, as that would give you a total resolution
of 1280x2048). Any screen real estate beyond the
2048th pixel will likely have a completely white
background, and any windows beyond that point will
leave massive trails behind it. It is possible to work
around this limitation by recompiling Mesa and setting
a higher MAX_TEXTURE_RECT_SIZE in
src/mesa/main/config.h. This simply causes your 3D
driver to lie to Compiz about what the card supports;
as such, it causes its own problems (primarily, the
desktop background and icons will be stretched to the
point where they are useless, and certain compositing
docks will not work properly when positioned at the
top or bottom of the screen). 

Direct Rendering should also be working out-of-the-box
on any of those cards; you can confirm this by running
glxinfo | grep -i direct and making sure it says the
following:  direct rendering: Yes 

The Water effects in Compiz require
GL_ARB_fragment_program support, which is only
available in r300 and newer cards (Radeon 9550 and
higher). In addition, this was not available through
indirect rendering till Xorg 7.2.

To identify your video card you type this in a cli...
lshw | grep ati   ?

Series 7000 - 9500 Will Use AIGLX 

Series 9550 and higher will use FGLRX

*****************************************************************************
**** Instructions for those cards using "Aiglx" 
*****************************************************************************

First and most important.. You do not need new
drivers...  The preinstalled, open source drivers work
fine
Second and almost as important..  If you installed
Xorg-driver-FGLRX you need to remove it

After you remove fglrx, you sometimes need to
reinstall the libgl1-mesa-glx package (that's the mesa
libgl)

Multiple X server screens (eg. :0 and :1) will cause
Xorg to disable direct rendering; as such, Compiz will
not work with such setups.

Xinerama will cause Xorg to disable direct rendering,
so Compiz will not work with such setups either. 
For Xinerama-like functionality, you will need to use
MergedFB (the radeon man page has some useful
information on setting this up).

I did find that this page did not work for a person
that had tried Automatix to get effects working.
I asked him up front..  He said No he had not.  He
wasted two days of his time... Then reinstalled
Ubuntu.. And now it works great...

******************************************************************************
Getting Started...

Open Synaptic
Enable all the extra Repositories
(I also like to disable the CD as a repo while in
there)

Search for Xorg-driver-FGLRX, If it is enabled (
installed...)  Mark it for complete removal and click
on apply

Search for libgl1-mesa-glx If it is NOT enabled (
installed...)  Mark it for Installation and click on
apply

Search for and install CCSM  - 
compizconfig-settings-manager
Mark it for installation and click on apply

**** Close Synaptic
**********************************************************************************

Before you make changes to your Xorg:

Always have a backup copy in the same directory:
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup

Write down on a piece of paper the command from cli to
restore that backup if needed:
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf

While you have a pen and paper..  

If you get stuck at a cli or use escape to get into
recovery mode cli use this command to make changes:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
Note: Failsafe is to select Vesa Mode/Driver  1024 x
768 Max res and simple setup

To Restart After Reconfiguring:
/etc/init.d/gdm restart

To Create a copy of the xorg on your desktop for easy
viewing: Not a bad idea to have for reference.
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/Desktop/xorg.conf.$(date
+%m-%d-%Y-%T)

To make the changes to your Xorg from GUI:
gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

To make the changes to your Xorg from cli
sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Save and Exit with... ctrl-o then ctrl-x   

*****************************************************************************
***** Make Changes Now
***********************************************************

Log out and back in.. You can use
ctrl-alt-backspace... to restart X... but I prefer to
avoid using that command
If you do use ctrl-alt-backspace  please be sure to
shut down all programs first.

Click on System... Preferences... Appearance.... 
Visual Effects...  You should now be able to enable
effects

Additional note:
Due to AIGLX, you may need to tell your 3D driver to
use indirect rendering. 
This command tells you if you have direct rendering
enabled...  glxinfo | grep direct

To Set the Environment variable before the compiz
command. 
What you enter in the terminal should look like this:
LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz --replace
--indirect-rendering --sm-disable ccp &  

***********************************************************************************
**** Changes:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
*****************************************************************************

There are a couple simple changes to your xorg that
you need to get Compiz-Effects working
I remarked the additions that did not need to be added
on this system to get basic effects to work
	but they may be required on other systems, or may
make your system faster when applied. 
	Just know how to reconfigure it from cli to get back
in... :)

I added four lines to the following section:
Section "Device"
	Identifier	"ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7
LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]"
	Driver		"ati"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
#        Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"        
  #Added from Wiki   Effects will work without this
turned on (Testing with Cube)
         Option "GARTSize""64"                        
  #Added from Ulga   Effects will not work unless this
is turned on (Testing with Cube)
#        Option "AGPMode""4"                          
  #Added from Ulga   Effects will work without this
turned on but may be faster if on
#        Option "AGPFastWwrite" "true"                
  #Added from Compiz-Effects  will work without but
may be unstable on some systems
EndSection

I added a new Section right below the EndSection for
Section "Screen"

Section "Extensions"                                  
#Added from Wiki
        Option "Composite" "Enable"                   
#Added from Wiki
EndSection                                            
#Added from Wiki

I added two lines to the following section:
Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
#        Option "AIGLX""true"                         
   #Added from Ulga and #Added from Wiki  
#                                                     
   #Effects will work without this turned on (Testing
with Cube)
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"

#*****************************************************************************
#*** End Xorg Changes:
#***************************************************
**** Patch/Hack Number Two:  Increasing the Available
size for textures on the series one cards  ..from 1024
to 2048
**** Posted by crdlb on Thu 3 Jan on #Ubuntu
****************************************************
I tested effects on my ATI 7500 Mobility Radeon at
1400 x 1050 and they worked

gksudo gedit /etc/drirc
Add the following lines and save the file

<driconf>

    <device screen="0" driver="radeon">

        <application name="all">

            <option name="allow_large_textures"
value="2" />

        </application>

     </device>

</driconf>

*****************************************************************************
**** End Jack_Sparrow
**************************************************************************************

*****************************************************************************
**** Instructions for Series 9550 and higher using
FGLRX:
*****************************************************************************

In the works as you read this....

*****************************************************************************
**** End FGLRX
***********************************************************************************************

*****************************************************************************
**** Additional resource used...
***********************************************************************************************

Source for the following...
http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3637569&postcount=9

At the end, is really simple to get it to use compiz
or beryl, all you need to do is add 3 lines into your
xorg.conf
The Lines were Rem'd here just for reference as colors
didnt show in pastebin 

Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW
[Radeon Mobility 7500]"
Driver "ati"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
#   Option "GARTSize" "64"
#   Option "AGPMode" "4"
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
#   Option "AIGLX" "true"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection


That's all, save file, restart X, and you can
perfectly enable visual effects. maybe you won't have
the quality you should expect, but is nice enough.
***************************************************************************************************

<crdlb> adamk is the one who wrote that compiz fusion
wiki page
[18:07] <crdlb> he's on IRC most days

****************************************************************************************************


From JOlding at gts.gaineycorp.com  Wed Jun 11 10:01:09 2008
From: JOlding at gts.gaineycorp.com (Olding, Jim)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:01:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Multiple Squid Instances
Message-ID: <25D140710D94DE4B8F9CE749375DD5310198F982@exchange.gaineycorp.local>

I have a CentOS box running 2 instances of Squid, each one bound to a
separate interface:

Eth0 - 10.254.2.54 - 'Filtered' squid instance
Eth0:0 - 10.254.2.56 - 'Unfiltered' squid instance

The filtering is actually done by a web appliance which looks at the
source IP of HTTP requests and determines if they should be forwarded,
filtered for content, or blocked.

The issue I'm running into is that if a user is on the Unfiltered
instance, Squid is using the IP of the main interface (eth0) and not the
virtual interface it is bound to (eth0:0) for outbound requests.
Therefore, the web filter appliance sees the request coming from
10.254.2.54, which matches its 'web filter' rule, and it blocks some
things that shouldn't be blocked.

Does anyone know any way to get squid to maintain the IP address of the
interface it is listening on in its outbound HTTP requests?

From dond at standalelumber.com  Wed Jun 11 10:58:53 2008
From: dond at standalelumber.com (Don Wood)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Multiple Squid Instances
In-Reply-To: <25D140710D94DE4B8F9CE749375DD5310198F982@exchange.gaineycorp.local>
References: <25D140710D94DE4B8F9CE749375DD5310198F982@exchange.gaineycorp.local>
Message-ID: <1213196333.7803.1.camel@donw-laptop>

Have you tried adding a route to that interface? I'm thinking without
one it's just using NAT. 



On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:01 -0400, Olding, Jim wrote:

> I have a CentOS box running 2 instances of Squid, each one bound to a
> separate interface:
> 
> Eth0 - 10.254.2.54 - 'Filtered' squid instance
> Eth0:0 - 10.254.2.56 - 'Unfiltered' squid instance
> 
> The filtering is actually done by a web appliance which looks at the
> source IP of HTTP requests and determines if they should be forwarded,
> filtered for content, or blocked.
> 
> The issue I'm running into is that if a user is on the Unfiltered
> instance, Squid is using the IP of the main interface (eth0) and not the
> virtual interface it is bound to (eth0:0) for outbound requests.
> Therefore, the web filter appliance sees the request coming from
> 10.254.2.54, which matches its 'web filter' rule, and it blocks some
> things that shouldn't be blocked.
> 
> Does anyone know any way to get squid to maintain the IP address of the
> interface it is listening on in its outbound HTTP requests?
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From dond at standalelumber.com  Wed Jun 11 11:00:41 2008
From: dond at standalelumber.com (Don Wood)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:00:41 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Multiple Squid Instances
In-Reply-To: <1213196333.7803.1.camel@donw-laptop>
References: <25D140710D94DE4B8F9CE749375DD5310198F982@exchange.gaineycorp.local>	
	<1213196333.7803.1.camel@donw-laptop>
Message-ID: <1213196441.7803.3.camel@donw-laptop>




On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:58 -0400, Don Wood wrote:

> Have you tried adding a route to that interface? I'm thinking without
> one it's just using NAT. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:01 -0400, Olding, Jim wrote: 
> 
> > I have a CentOS box running 2 instances of Squid, each one bound to a
> > separate interface:
> > 
> > Eth0 - 10.254.2.54 - 'Filtered' squid instance
> > Eth0:0 - 10.254.2.56 - 'Unfiltered' squid instance
> > 
> > The filtering is actually done by a web appliance which looks at the
> > source IP of HTTP requests and determines if they should be forwarded,
> > filtered for content, or blocked.
> > 
> > The issue I'm running into is that if a user is on the Unfiltered
> > instance, Squid is using the IP of the main interface (eth0) and not the
> > virtual interface it is bound to (eth0:0) for outbound requests.
> > Therefore, the web filter appliance sees the request coming from
> > 10.254.2.54, which matches its 'web filter' rule, and it blocks some
> > things that shouldn't be blocked.
> > 
> > Does anyone know any way to get squid to maintain the IP address of the
> > interface it is listening on in its outbound HTTP requests?
> > _______________________________________________


Gah! I top posted! Sorry.

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From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed Jun 11 12:29:55 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:29:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Job posting from South Carolina - Telecomute possible.
Message-ID: <484FFD83.6060002@ameritech.net>

MDLUGers:
I just heard from Dr. Bob Meier last week. You guys don't know him, he's
a MDLUG past president who recently moved back to S.Carolina. He has
asked me to pass along this information about a coder job opening up in
his company. Below is the job description that he sent to me.

>> > > "The object is to have resumes in hand when the openning is detailed.
>> > >  I can provide further details offlist (list1c30fe42 at
bellsouth.net).
>> > >
>> > >  It would also be useful to see a commented "Hello, World!" C++
program,
>> > >  as well as an example linux C++/gmake package (e.g. rpm, tarball)
>> > >  of ~100-1000 NCSL to demonstrate knowledge of documentation,
>> > >  portability, and tracking.
>> > >
>> > >  The openning (phone interviewing will probably start ~June 1)
>> > >  is for
>> > >  "- Flash/Flex
>> > >   - Action Script 3
>> > >   - C++
>> > >   - PHP
>> > >   - Image rendering
>> > >   - Vector illustration (adobe illustrator, macromedia freehand,
>> > >     bitmap raster stuff like photo shop)"
>> > >  The critical requirement is for linux (despite lack of mention),
>> > >  C++, and Flash/Flex.  They need to be a "SUPER linux C coder".
>> > >
>> > >  Most of the staff telecommutes regularly (more than 50% of days)
>> > >  and ~2/8 telecommute 100% (from California and Asia),
>> > >  so they might be able to stay in Michigan except for
>> > >  a few in-person meetings each year.
>> > >
>> > >  The request was made internally without a pay scale quote,
>> > >  but I suspect the pay will be ~90K/yr W-2 with 11d/yr PTO,
>> > >  and no other paid benefits.  Group Dental/Medical/Optical/401K
>> > >  and some other items are available by deduction."
>> > >
>> > > Hoping to hear from you soon,
>> > > -- Bob


Raymond McLaughlin

From flanderb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 21:52:55 2008
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:52:55 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
Message-ID: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys

I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.

He is running Vista.

Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
use as running an exe.

I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?



Share and Enjoy
Ben

From faeren at faeren.com  Sun Jun 15 22:00:23 2008
From: faeren at faeren.com (Faeren Madza)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:00:23 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbacd6020806151900r75561d0fgb171d8976027521@mail.gmail.com>

Just have him send you a 'remote assistance' invitation via email.

It allows you to control his machine, but I think he has to be sitting
there to answer a 'are you sure you want to allow access' question or
two.

Remote assistance is built into every Windows since XP, I think. Give
that a shot.


Faeren.


On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys
>
> I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
> is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.
>
> He is running Vista.
>
> Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
> computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
> use as running an exe.
>
> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?

From topher at wcsg.org  Sun Jun 15 21:57:40 2008
From: topher at wcsg.org (Topher)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.0.82.0806152157040.5937@localhost>

> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives. 
> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?

VNC is what you want, and since it's open source there are quite a few 
renditions.  The original is at realvnc.com, but ultravnc is really great.

From mikemol at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 23:57:27 2008
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:57:27 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.0.82.0806152157040.5937@localhost>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.0.82.0806152157040.5937@localhost>
Message-ID: <f5e00c450806152057t4594ba1t6f78020eb56e2890@mail.gmail.com>

VNC has limitations on Vista.  The biggest one I've run into is that
you can't run the server as a service; it has to be in the StartUp for
the individual user.

Really, Remote Desktop (or remote assistance) is the way to go in this
case.  It'll be much more bandwidth-friendly than any readable VNC
configuration.

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Topher <topher at wcsg.org> wrote:
>> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
>> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?
>
> VNC is what you want, and since it's open source there are quite a few
> renditions.  The original is at realvnc.com, but ultravnc is really great.
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 
:wq

From tim.nass at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 13:41:05 2008
From: tim.nass at gmail.com (Tim Nass)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:41:05 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest www.logmein.com. They have a free version of the software.
Once the workstation is setup, you can remote into his computer anytime via
web interface. I use this option for my relatives all the time. They will be
able to see what your doing on the screen, so it is nice to help explain how
to do something or in some cases just do it for them.

-Tim

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey guys
>
> I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
> is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.
>
> He is running Vista.
>
> Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
> computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
> use as running an exe.
>
> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?
>
>
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
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From Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com  Mon Jun 16 13:54:42 2008
From: Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com (Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:54:42 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>

I've used Logmein.com to configure my daughters D-Ling router thru her PC.
It was  just once, but it worked great & saved me a trip. My partner here 
uses it all the time.
She clicks on an icon & authorizes me to connect, & from then on, I'm in 
the drivers seat.
I 



From:
"Tim Nass" <tim.nass at gmail.com>
To:
grlug at grlug.org
Date:
06/16/2008 01:42 PM
Subject:
Re: [GRLUG] Remote Administration



I would suggest www.logmein.com. They have a free version of the software. 
Once the workstation is setup, you can remote into his computer anytime 
via web interface. I use this option for my relatives all the time. They 
will be able to see what your doing on the screen, so it is nice to help 
explain how to do something or in some cases just do it for them.

-Tim

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> 
wrote:
Hey guys

I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.

He is running Vista.

Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
use as running an exe.

I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?



Share and Enjoy
Ben
_______________________________________________
grlug mailing list
grlug at grlug.org
http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
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From geektoyz at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 00:15:40 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:15:40 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <8b72b8d10806162115oc897806vfecd9c628cc693fc@mail.gmail.com>

I vote for logmein as well.  I've been using it for well over a year
and its rock solid.  It works transparently over NAT too.  I'm really
hoping they'll come out with a Linux compatible app - since they
bought hamachi and all.

G-

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
>
> I've used Logmein.com to configure my daughters D-Ling router thru her PC.
> It was  just once, but it worked great & saved me a trip. My partner here
> uses it all the time.
> She clicks on an icon & authorizes me to connect, & from then on, I'm in the
> drivers seat.
> I
>
>
> From: "Tim Nass" <tim.nass at gmail.com>
> To: grlug at grlug.org
> Date: 06/16/2008 01:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
> ________________________________
>
>
> I would suggest www.logmein.com. They have a free version of the software.
> Once the workstation is setup, you can remote into his computer anytime via
> web interface. I use this option for my relatives all the time. They will be
> able to see what your doing on the screen, so it is nice to help explain how
> to do something or in some cases just do it for them.
>
> -Tim
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hey guys
>
> I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
> is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.
>
> He is running Vista.
>
> Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
> computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
> use as running an exe.
>
> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?
>
>
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grlug mailing list
> grlug at grlug.org
> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug
>



-- 

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From david at pembrook.net  Tue Jun 17 14:29:30 2008
From: david at pembrook.net (David Pembrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:29:30 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] 11x17 postscript inkjet printer
In-Reply-To: <OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>	<d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>
Message-ID: <4858028A.2000209@pembrook.net>

If anyone is interested in a 11x17 native postscript inkjet printer let 
me know off list. Its a Xerox Docuprint C20. It needs new ink cartridges 
but it thinks it printing when i go to the test menu.

Thanks,
Dave

From flanderb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 14:55:13 2008
From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:55:13 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
In-Reply-To: <8b72b8d10806162115oc897806vfecd9c628cc693fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8898d550806151852h499702y1d483cf030149c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<d601719a0806161041q5d03ced8t55f7ca3a4d68441c@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7E47FD0E.3F3DD80F-ON8525746A.00621575-8525746A.00625C68@spartanstore.com>
	<8b72b8d10806162115oc897806vfecd9c628cc693fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8898d550806171155o537ca566j7a4355c9a69c2c18@mail.gmail.com>

Just played around with logmein and it seems really nifty.

One question about setting up other pc's, and I can't find this
anywhere.  Can I just send the logmein.msi to my uncle and have him
install it?  It seems that there is some magic involved in the
download because installing doesn't ask for usernames or passwords yet
it shows up on website under my account.  I am assuming that the
username and password is in the install, is other information in the
install such that downloading from one machine won't work with another
machine?


Share and Enjoy
Ben


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> I vote for logmein as well.  I've been using it for well over a year
> and its rock solid.  It works transparently over NAT too.  I'm really
> hoping they'll come out with a Linux compatible app - since they
> bought hamachi and all.
>
> G-
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've used Logmein.com to configure my daughters D-Ling router thru her PC.
>> It was  just once, but it worked great & saved me a trip. My partner here
>> uses it all the time.
>> She clicks on an icon & authorizes me to connect, & from then on, I'm in the
>> drivers seat.
>> I
>>
>>
>> From: "Tim Nass" <tim.nass at gmail.com>
>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>> Date: 06/16/2008 01:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> I would suggest www.logmein.com. They have a free version of the software.
>> Once the workstation is setup, you can remote into his computer anytime via
>> web interface. I use this option for my relatives all the time. They will be
>> able to see what your doing on the screen, so it is nice to help explain how
>> to do something or in some cases just do it for them.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Hey guys
>>
>> I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
>> is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.
>>
>> He is running Vista.
>>
>> Is there an easy to use program that we can use for me to control his
>> computer?  It would have to be free and hopefully just easy for him to
>> use as running an exe.
>>
>> I found http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/index.html in the archives.
>> Has anyone used this?  Is this the best?
>>
>>
>>
>> Share and Enjoy
>> Ben
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From geektoyz at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:41:09 2008
From: geektoyz at gmail.com (Godwin)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:41:09 -0400
Subject: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
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That's a good question Ben.  I do think your account info (not so much
login/pass) is in the .msi file.  Once Logmein is installed, you can
right-click it and launch it's web interface on your PC
(https://localhost:2002/main.html) and change your login info.
Conceivably, you could just send the .msi file to someone else, I
guess.  Try it and report back... ;-)

G-


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just played around with logmein and it seems really nifty.
>
> One question about setting up other pc's, and I can't find this
> anywhere.  Can I just send the logmein.msi to my uncle and have him
> install it?  It seems that there is some magic involved in the
> download because installing doesn't ask for usernames or passwords yet
> it shows up on website under my account.  I am assuming that the
> username and password is in the install, is other information in the
> install such that downloading from one machine won't work with another
> machine?
>
>
> Share and Enjoy
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Godwin <geektoyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I vote for logmein as well.  I've been using it for well over a year
>> and its rock solid.  It works transparently over NAT too.  I'm really
>> hoping they'll come out with a Linux compatible app - since they
>> bought hamachi and all.
>>
>> G-
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM,  <Bill_Raterink at spartanstores.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've used Logmein.com to configure my daughters D-Ling router thru her PC.
>>> It was  just once, but it worked great & saved me a trip. My partner here
>>> uses it all the time.
>>> She clicks on an icon & authorizes me to connect, & from then on, I'm in the
>>> drivers seat.
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Tim Nass" <tim.nass at gmail.com>
>>> To: grlug at grlug.org
>>> Date: 06/16/2008 01:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Remote Administration
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> I would suggest www.logmein.com. They have a free version of the software.
>>> Once the workstation is setup, you can remote into his computer anytime via
>>> web interface. I use this option for my relatives all the time. They will be
>>> able to see what your doing on the screen, so it is nice to help explain how
>>> to do something or in some cases just do it for them.
>>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Benjamin Flanders <flanderb at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hey guys
>>>
>>> I have to work on a machine that I don't have physical access to.  It
>>> is my Uncle's who isn't computer savvy.
>>>
>>> He is running Vista.
>>>
>>> Is there an easy to use program that we can