From casey at grlug.org Fri Jul 11 15:50:33 2008 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:50:33 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GR-JUG Joint Meeting next week Thursday the 17th Message-ID: Hi All, GRLUG and GR-JUG (Java User Group) joint meeting next week Thursday the 17th. Meeting Location: Calvin College, Science Bldg room 382 Meeting Date: Thursday July 17 Meeting Agenda: 5:30pm - networking 6:00pm - meeting begins 7:00pm - closing Casey From slestak989 at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 16:40:26 2008 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:40:26 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GR-JUG Joint Meeting next week Thursday the 17th Message-ID: <4877c53b.0807c00a.5f66.32b3@mx.google.com> I wont be able to make this one. Prior commitment. Steve -----Original Message----- From: "Casey DuBois" To: grlug at grlug.org Sent: 7/11/2008 3:50 PM Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG/GR-JUG Joint Meeting next week Thursday the 17th Hi All, GRLUG and GR-JUG (Java User Group) joint meeting next week Thursday the 17th. Meeting Location: Calvin College, Science Bldg room 382 Meeting Date: Thursday July 17 Meeting Agenda: 5:30pm - networking 6:00pm - meeting begins 7:00pm - closing Casey _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From casey at grlug.org Mon Jul 14 10:51:04 2008 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:51:04 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] BarCamp Grand Rapids, August 15-16 at Calvin College Message-ID: CUTTING EDGE TECH CONFERENCE COMES TO GRAND RAPIDS BarCamp brings together West Michigan's technology leaders BarCamp Grand Rapids, inspired by the Silicon Valley event that rocked the emerging technology world with its audacity and success, will take place on August 15-16 at Calvin College. The original Palo Alto BarCamp was born out of frustration with the stifling atmosphere of most conferences. In a bold move, the founders decided to hold an "unconference" and let the attendees decide the schedule and topics to be presented. The organizers provided only a venue, a blank schedule board, and some overhead projectors: attendees were responsible for creating all the content, giving all the presentations, and having all the fun. The experiment was a resounding success, and BarCamps in Toronto, Amsterdam, and New York City soon followed. BarCamp Grand Rapids continues this proud tradition, for the third year running. Calvin College is generously donating classroom space, including a space for a "campout" Friday night. Gordon Food Service, Subway, and Biggby Coffee will be providing food for the event, and SageTech will be hosting a get-together after the Friday night sessions. Elevator Up has also pitched in to help keep to conference free for all attendees. For the latest information and registration, see http://barcampgr.org/ From casey at grlug.org Tue Jul 15 09:23:35 2008 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:23:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Michigan FlexCamp July 30 & 31 Message-ID: Good Morning GRLUG, Nick asked me to share this information with our LUG. The Michigan Flex User's Group is hosting a FlexCamp at the end of this month. I was wondering if you could help us spread the word to your membership (and anywhere else you can think), to help drive attendance. Our press release is as follows: On July 30th and 31st, the Michigan Flex Users Group will be hosting in Lansing, Michigan. This two day event is designed to get you up to speed with the latest RIA technologies, such as Flex, Flash and AIR. The Michigan FlexCamp will host speakers from Adobe, Michigan State University, Digital Primates, and many others. The Camp is a hands-on, interactive, conference that is designed for Flex and AIR beginners, and will take you through your first applications using the technology. Adobe Flex is an open source framework that can be used to develop Rich Internet Applications that you can deploy quickly and easily to just about any application server, including Java, PHP, .NET, ColdFusion or Ruby. Adobe AIR is a cross-platform (Windows, Mac, Linux) that helps web developers deliver their Flash, Flex, PDF or AJAX application to the desktop, breaking free from the confines of the browser. Registration and more information is available at http://camp.TheFlexGroup.org. $25 for a single day pass, $40 for both days. -Nick Kwiatkowski Michigan Flex User's Group Manager From networkman at triton.net Tue Jul 15 19:29:22 2008 From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:29:22 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies! Message-ID: <3FA5EB31D5D44A099B57EFDC931AD14F@kdl.net> I have available (3) Cisco 2900 switches. They're 2u, 10/100 used, passwords are known and set: password / secret Available to whomever. Let me know, Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080715/bbf33c7c/attachment-0001.htm From networkman at triton.net Tue Jul 15 19:48:29 2008 From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:48:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies! References: <3FA5EB31D5D44A099B57EFDC931AD14F@kdl.net> Message-ID: Wow - that was quick! All gone. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Nagel To: grlug at grlug.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies! I have available (3) Cisco 2900 switches. They're 2u, 10/100 used, passwords are known and set: password / secret Available to whomever. Let me know, Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080715/44683983/attachment.htm From carlushenry at sagetech-llc.com Tue Jul 15 21:22:58 2008 From: carlushenry at sagetech-llc.com (Carlus Henry) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:22:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG / GRJUG Joint Meeting Announcement Message-ID: Here is the announcement for the joint meeting this week between both the Grand Rapids Linux User Group and the Grand Rapids Java User Group. Looking forward to meeting you all..... ---- http://gr-jug.org/ Introduction to JEE Application Servers Joint meeting with the Linux Users Group Presented by Carlus Henry Thu, July 17th 5:30pm Networking 6:00-7:00 Presentation Calvin College's Science Bldg 382 This joint meeting of the Grand Rapids JUG and LUG will be in two parts: Part 1: an overview of Java App Servers, covering popular choices and common concepts. Part 2: hands-on time working on installing and configuring an app server. Bring your laptop. We'll all help each other with our app server and OS's of choice. Please RSVP at http://gr-jug.org/rsvp/ if you're planning on coming. (Feel free to show up even if your forget to RSVP) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080715/67c84632/attachment.htm From profinuyasha at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 00:30:23 2008 From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:30:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies! In-Reply-To: References: <3FA5EB31D5D44A099B57EFDC931AD14F@kdl.net> Message-ID: I see, how much does it cost? On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Rich Nagel wrote: > > Wow - that was quick! All gone. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich Nagel > To: grlug at grlug.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:29 PM > Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies! > I have available (3) Cisco 2900 switches. They're 2u, 10/100 used, passwords are known and set: password / secret > > Available to whomever. > > Let me know, > Rich > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug -- ------------------ Professor Inuyasha From slestak989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:55:28 2008 From: slestak989 at gmail.com (Steve Romanow) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:55:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Remote file conversion Message-ID: <487e19f0.e203be0a.2316.3136@mx.google.com> Can anyone confirm if they've seen anything like this work. I have a pdf created by a process on aix. I need to programmaticly create a toc for the 1500 page document. Pdftotext (from the xpdf package) works fine for ripping the pdf to text, then with a couple of greps, I have the info needed. The thing I am trying to figure out is how I can use ssh to remotely use pdftotext on this file from aix. Installing xpdf on aix is not really an option. I would like to embed the remote execution call in another program running on the aix box. He goal is to remove manual steps from this table of contents generation. Thanks, Steve Oh yes. My company has ratcheted down on web use so I posted this from my smartphone. Please forgive me if it is formatted like crap. From mikemol at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 12:01:29 2008 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:01:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Remote file conversion In-Reply-To: <487e19f0.e203be0a.2316.3136@mx.google.com> References: <487e19f0.e203be0a.2316.3136@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Steve Romanow wrote: > Can anyone confirm if they've seen anything like this work. > > I have a pdf created by a process on aix. I need to programmaticly create a toc for the 1500 page document. > > Pdftotext (from the xpdf package) works fine for ripping the pdf to text, then with a couple of greps, I have the info needed. > > The thing I am trying to figure out is how I can use ssh to remotely use pdftotext on this file from aix. > > Installing xpdf on aix is not really an option. I would like to embed the remote execution call in another program running on the aix box. He goal is to remove manual steps from this table of contents generation. If your AIX box is box alpha, and you have a script that does the work on box beta, you can do something like this: alpha$ ssh beta scriptname.sh alpha$ scp beta:/path/to/remote/file/output.pdf /path/to/local/destination You'd need public key authentication set up, to avoid your script on AIX prompting for a password each time. -- :wq From profinuyasha at gmail.com Sat Jul 19 01:06:20 2008 From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:06:20 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? Message-ID: Hello everyone, I would like to get some help to find job email me when you found some job in GR, Wyoming, Kentwood, Alpine right now I have hard time to find job -- ------------------ Professor Inuyasha From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:05:42 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:05:42 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719050542.24458.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:13:24 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:13:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051324.24904.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:14:17 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:14:17 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051417.24972.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:15:08 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:15:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051508.25038.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:16:02 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:16:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051602.25099.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:16:54 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:16:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:17:48 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051748.25209.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:18:40 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:18:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051840.25284.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:19:35 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:19:35 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719051935.25390.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jpalm at spearia.com Sat Jul 19 01:20:29 2008 From: jpalm at spearia.com (jpalm at spearia.com) Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:20:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] =?utf-8?q?Jobs=3F?= Message-ID: <20080719052029.25453.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From erickson.adam.m at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:48:14 2008 From: erickson.adam.m at gmail.com (Adam M. Erickson) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:48:14 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> Message-ID: <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> Hello JPLAM is on Vacation. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:16 AM, wrote: > Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Regards, Adam M. Erickson "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. -Isaac Newton" From brousch at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 09:02:40 2008 From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:02:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Methinks JPLAM needs his knuckles whacked by a rolled up copy of RFC3834 at the next meeting ;) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Adam M. Erickson wrote: > Hello JPLAM is on Vacation. > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:16 AM, wrote: > > Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July > 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, > please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If > you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at > 616-301-1037. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grlug mailing list > > grlug at grlug.org > > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Adam M. Erickson > "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. > -Isaac Newton" > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080721/6c25558c/attachment.htm From devriesbj at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 09:11:54 2008 From: devriesbj at gmail.com (Brad De Vries) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:11:54 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Since I got a lot of messages regarding this vacation, it might mean that there is an opening on spearia.com. :-) Brad. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Adam M. Erickson wrote: > Hello JPLAM is on Vacation. > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:16 AM, wrote: >> Hello. I am on vacation and out of the office from July 20th to July 27th. If you need assistance with e-mail, web hosting, or technical support, please leave a message with Danny Beckett or Ray Brown at 616-301-1037. If you have any other questions or messages, please leave a detailed message at 616-301-1037. From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Jul 21 11:22:48 2008 From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 09:02:40AM -0400, Ben Rousch wrote: > Methinks JPLAM needs his knuckles whacked by a rolled up copy of RFC3834 at > the next meeting ;) There you go, trying to stir up trouble by pointing people to an RFC... Hey, anyone know where jpalm is? [snip] -- john-thomas ------ It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody's beard. George Christopher Lichtenberg, scientist and philosopher (1742-1799) From profinuyasha at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:11:24 2008 From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:11:24 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: STOP OFFTOPIC! Why are you talk about jpalm?! I asked for JOB, not JPALM! On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:22 AM, john-thomas richards wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 09:02:40AM -0400, Ben Rousch wrote: >> Methinks JPLAM needs his knuckles whacked by a rolled up copy of RFC3834 at >> the next meeting ;) > > There you go, trying to stir up trouble by pointing people to an RFC... > > Hey, anyone know where jpalm is? > > [snip] > -- > john-thomas > ------ > It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without > singeing somebody's beard. > George Christopher Lichtenberg, scientist and philosopher (1742-1799) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- ------------------ Professor Inuyasha From flanderb at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:31:23 2008 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:23 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: Dude, Chill On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Professor Inuyasha wrote: > STOP OFFTOPIC! > > Why are you talk about jpalm?! > > I asked for JOB, not JPALM! > Dude, Chill (Both top and bottom posting :) ) From profinuyasha at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:18:41 2008 From: profinuyasha at gmail.com (Professor Inuyasha) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:18:41 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: then..........WHY did I see offtopic?! I asked for job and they talk about jpalm........ |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Adam M. Erickson to grlug |Hello JPLAM is on Vacation. | |Ben Rousch to grlug |Methinks JPLAM needs his knuckles whacked by a rolled up copy of RFC3834 at the next meeting ;) | |Brad De Vries to grlug |Since I got a lot of messages regarding this vacation, it might mean |that there is an opening on spearia.com. :-) | |john-thomas richards to grlug |There you go, trying to stir up trouble by pointing people to an RFC... |Hey, anyone know where jpalm is? |[snip] |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ so.......why are you offtopicing on this mail, I asked for job, not about jpalm my topic is: |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Hello everyone, I would like to get some help to find job |email me when you found some job in GR, Wyoming, Kentwood, Alpine | |right now I have hard time to find job |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: > Dude, Chill > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Professor Inuyasha > wrote: >> STOP OFFTOPIC! >> >> Why are you talk about jpalm?! >> >> I asked for JOB, not JPALM! >> > > Dude, Chill > > (Both top and bottom posting :) ) > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- ------------------ Professor Inuyasha From mikemol at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:23:56 2008 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:23:56 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: JPalm is apparently on vacation. When his mail client saw your email, it sent a reply to the list saying that he was on vacation. Ben pointed out that this wasn't correct email client behavior, and John-Thomas teased Ben for pointing that out. That's why you're seeing offtopic messages. I'm just glad JPalm's email client isn't sending a reply for every email... On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Professor Inuyasha wrote: > then..........WHY did I see offtopic?! I asked for job and they talk > about jpalm........ > > |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Adam M. Erickson to grlug > |Hello JPLAM is on Vacation. > | > |Ben Rousch to grlug > |Methinks JPLAM needs his knuckles whacked by a rolled up copy of > RFC3834 at the next meeting ;) > | > |Brad De Vries to grlug > |Since I got a lot of messages regarding this vacation, it might mean > |that there is an opening on spearia.com. :-) > | > |john-thomas richards to grlug > |There you go, trying to stir up trouble by pointing people to an RFC... > |Hey, anyone know where jpalm is? > |[snip] > |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > so.......why are you offtopicing on this mail, I asked for job, not about jpalm > > my topic is: > > |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Hello everyone, I would like to get some help to find job > |email me when you found some job in GR, Wyoming, Kentwood, Alpine > | > |right now I have hard time to find job > |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Flanders wrote: >> Dude, Chill >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Professor Inuyasha >> wrote: >>> STOP OFFTOPIC! >>> >>> Why are you talk about jpalm?! >>> >>> I asked for JOB, not JPALM! >>> >> >> Dude, Chill >> >> (Both top and bottom posting :) ) >> _______________________________________________ >> grlug mailing list >> grlug at grlug.org >> http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug >> > > > > -- > ------------------ > Professor Inuyasha > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- :wq From timschmidt at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 15:27:29 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:27:29 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807211227n2d2792adv7cdd9094ede21f42@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Professor Inuyasha wrote: > then..........WHY did I see offtopic?! I asked for job and they talk > about jpalm........ Because that's what happens on mailing lists. Or anywhere else in life for that matter. People talk about what _they_ want to talk about. Not what you want them to talk about. Them's the breaks kid. --tim From jtr at jrichards.org Mon Jul 21 15:28:13 2008 From: jtr at jrichards.org (john-thomas richards) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:28:13 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> Message-ID: <20080721192813.GA956@jrichards.org> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 02:11:24PM -0400, Professor Inuyasha wrote: > STOP OFFTOPIC! > > Why are you talk about jpalm?! > > I asked for JOB, not JPALM! Yes, you asked for a job, but you provided absolutely nothing to the list that would be necessary to help you. I am aware of dozens and dozens of jobs in Grand Rapids, Wyoming, Grandville, and wherever else you mentioned. I am certain one of the area hospitals is hiring doctors. I am fairly sure one of local retail shops like WalMart is hiring greeters. I would also bet that some factory is looking for a janitor. You offered no explanation of your abilities or preferred industry or type of job you want. Somehow, though, you think you have the right to demand something of me and the others on this list. This is not the Professor's User Group. This is a public mailing list, ostensibly for discussing all things related to *Linux*, yet you blast me for making an "off-topic" joke when you use the Linux User Group mailing list as a job resource. The irony is delicious. I am willing to suggest that perhaps, if you had actually provided some information regarding your abilities and interests, someone may have offered a tip, but once again, rather than asking politely, you bark about as if the entire world owes you something. A little courtesy will make an answer to your questions more likely to be forthcoming. Perhaps you are completely unaware of this, but USING ALL CAPS in mailing lists, USENET, and the like is generally perceived as shouting. This is not polite, and on less-restrained, less congenial mailing lists would get you promptly, immediately, and forthwithly flamed. (Okay...I made up that word.) If you truly desire help, you may want to tone it down a bit. > > There you go, trying to stir up trouble by pointing people to an RFC... > > > > Hey, anyone know where jpalm is? An even sweeter irony is that you missed my attempt at being funny by joking about the citation of an RFC when it was *your* question that was answered by an RFC citation that started the last firestorm on this list. -- john-thomas ------ The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) From timschmidt at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:15:09 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:15:09 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <20080721192813.GA956@jrichards.org> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> <20080721192813.GA956@jrichards.org> Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807211315u571a7c69m41bcd5aea06b8fb6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM, john-thomas richards wrote: > [big irony snip] Thank you. --tim From greg at gregfolkert.net Mon Jul 21 23:38:13 2008 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:38:13 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Jobs? In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0807211315u571a7c69m41bcd5aea06b8fb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080719051654.25143.qmail@gza.wu.spearia.com> <7cd69fdf0807210548m399e098bpaad83195a16b4fb2@mail.gmail.com> <20080721152247.GA31978@jrichards.org> <20080721192813.GA956@jrichards.org> <2c97fe9d0807211315u571a7c69m41bcd5aea06b8fb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216697893.15142.3.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 16:15 -0400, Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM, john-thomas richards wrote: > > [big irony snip] > > Thank you. Ding, Dong, Ding! The white zone is for loading and unloading, only! -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA 29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080721/bde4fcf1/attachment.pgp From grlug at tankrip.com Thu Jul 24 12:27:39 2008 From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:27:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification Message-ID: Speaking of Jobs... I am currently looking for a new role in the area of Linux/Network Administration/Engineering, unfortunately without much luck. I think part of my issue is that as far as professional experience goes, my expertise sits in the Windows arena. I did gather some minor Linux responsibilities after our network admin left but it's more maintenance of current systems rather than project fulfillment. I do have some personal experience but I recognize that's much harder to document on a resume in a way that shines like project based professional experience. All that being said, I'm trying to figure out if a Linux certification of some sort would be advantageous. Ideally, I'd love to get RHEL certification but I'm not spending that kind of money unless my employer helps or I know that they're using Red Hat. I know CompTia Linux+ and LPI LPCI certs exist but I don't have any understanding on how they are viewed in industry. I know the MCSA/E side greatly suffers from folks who are "paper only" certificate holders. Does anyone have any thoughts, experience, or advise in these areas? Thanks! Colin From timschmidt at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 12:41:40 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:41:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Colin Vallance wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts, experience, or advise in these areas? In my experience, nothing compares to getting involved, and taking a leadership role in an actual community project. It builds real credibility, connections, and skills that shine through both a resume and google. Nothing else works nearly as well. --tim From ben at eavey.com Thu Jul 24 14:24:40 2008 From: ben at eavey.com (Benjamin Eavey) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:24:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> > In my experience, nothing compares to getting involved, and taking a > leadership role in an actual community project. It builds real > credibility, connections, and skills that shine through both a resume > and google. > > Nothing else works nearly as well. Good advice, and it's very true... but sometimes when you're trying to get a job, the HR person screening resumes has been told to look for "Linux-certified" people. In that case, having a cert is the difference between getting an interview and having your resume tossed. Nothing can replace hands-on experience, but sometimes you really need that piece of paper, too. Get the Linux+ certification to start. That's my advice. The test is supposed to be distribution-neutral (but it focuses on RPM, which is kind of weird), and the exam itself wasn't too difficult. There are plenty of study materials out there, too, which is nice. The RHCE, in my opinion, is actually a great test of whether or not you know what you're doing (when using Red Hat products, of course). The written exam was decent, and the lab exams are a good test of your skills. There's a configuration exam and a troubleshooting exam, and they're totally hands-on. You're presented with a broken machine (actually, several of them) and told to make it work, without being told what's wrong with it, for instance. Good stuff. It's expensive, though, so you want to be sure you'll pass before you attempt it. I haven't taken the LPI exams, but I hear good things about them. I think Linux+ tends to be more recognized, though, simply because it has CompTIA behind it and people know what the "+" exams are. It's a good place to start, and it isn't too much of an investment. Hope that helps, -Ben From timschmidt at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 14:49:22 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:49:22 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807241149o28bf4782t228159dc4740c1af@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Benjamin Eavey wrote: > Good advice, and it's very true... but sometimes when you're trying to > get a job, the HR person screening resumes has been told to look for > "Linux-certified" people. In that case, having a cert is the difference > between getting an interview and having your resume tossed. If a company or it's representative are incapable of recognizing, as qualification, your experience within the group of people developing the very software they require support for... that might be a sign of their general competence in other areas. Further, I will risk suggesting that this might have some bearing on how satisfying your employment for said company is likely to be. --tim From ben at eavey.com Thu Jul 24 15:19:38 2008 From: ben at eavey.com (Benjamin Eavey) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:38 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0807241149o28bf4782t228159dc4740c1af@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> <2c97fe9d0807241149o28bf4782t228159dc4740c1af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4888D5CA.6050907@eavey.com> > If a company or it's representative are incapable of recognizing, as > qualification, your experience within the group of people developing > the very software they require support for... that might be a sign of > their general competence in other areas. > > Further, I will risk suggesting that this might have some bearing on > how satisfying your employment for said company is likely to be. HR people, quite often, are only the gatekeepers. It's like this in many large companies. They don't have much technical knowledge at all, and their job is to find out which applicants meet the minimum set of requirements they've been given by a department within the company. There are benefits to working for a large company, just as there are benefits to working for a small one. Just because an HR person is clueless in a large company, it doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad place to work. Anyway, this is a discussion that's been rehashed over and over again, so it's probably not worth doing again here. Suffice it to say that getting a certification never hurts, and it's generally pretty easy and inexpensive to do. If it gets you an interview, then the relatively small investment in an exam was worth it. -Ben From adderd at kkmfg.com Thu Jul 24 15:53:52 2008 From: adderd at kkmfg.com (Collin Kidder) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:53:52 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <4888D5CA.6050907@eavey.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> <2c97fe9d0807241149o28bf4782t228159dc4740c1af@mail.gmail.com> <4888D5CA.6050907@eavey.com> Message-ID: <4888DDD0.1030001@kkmfg.com> Benjamin Eavey wrote: >> If a company or it's representative are incapable of recognizing, as >> qualification, your experience within the group of people developing >> the very software they require support for... that might be a sign of >> their general competence in other areas. >> >> Further, I will risk suggesting that this might have some bearing on >> how satisfying your employment for said company is likely to be. >> > > HR people, quite often, are only the gatekeepers. It's like this in > many large companies. They don't have much technical knowledge at all, > and their job is to find out which applicants meet the minimum set of > requirements they've been given by a department within the company. > > But, you've got to admit that letting clueless people pick the candidates is just plain stupid. Would you hire a mechanic to pick out your furniture? I really don't understand why so many companies make it HR's job to find people. Doesn't it seem as if an actually knowledgeable person should pick out candidates from the job pool? I mean, I could easily say that I've got all sorts of experience and blow way over head of an HR peon but that would be much tougher to do to someone with an actual understanding of the job they are hiring for. From adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 16:02:38 2008 From: adamtaunowilliams at gmail.com (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:02:38 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> Message-ID: <1216929758.4737.1.camel@linux-nnci.site> > I haven't taken the LPI exams, but I hear good things about them. I > think Linux+ tends to be more recognized, though, simply because it has > CompTIA behind it and people know what the "+" exams are. It's a good > place to start, and it isn't too much of an investment. At the Ohio LINUX conference last year they made available the LINUX LPI exam at a discount rate the day after the conference (Sunday). I don't remember the exact price, but it was pretty cheap; and it included a pre-test run-through. I don't know if they are planning to do the same thing this year (hope so). From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Thu Jul 24 16:16:48 2008 From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:16:48 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Certification In-Reply-To: <4888DDD0.1030001@kkmfg.com> References: <2c97fe9d0807240941x4bc7a9c8m7514146a2d49cda2@mail.gmail.com> <4888C8E8.6010106@eavey.com> <2c97fe9d0807241149o28bf4782t228159dc4740c1af@mail.gmail.com><4888D5CA.6050907@eavey.com> <4888DDD0.1030001@kkmfg.com> Message-ID: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30EB495FD@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> In defense of the HR department (and I am not a big fan of HR departments) they are looking for qualifications set forth by IT management. If IT management is listing a certification as a requirement it is the IT manager that values this certification as hiring criteria, usually not the HR staffer. At my work place they have outlined equivalencies instead of formal education and/or certification, usually years of experience. Most of the IT positions have a requirement of a BS/BA degree but I think they use 2 or 3 years experience as equal to 1 year of college so if an applicant had 8 years of experience they did not have to have a BS/BA degree. I believe they do the same sort of equation for certifications also, though I do not know the specifics. -----Original Message----- From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org [mailto:grlug-bounces at grlug.org] On Behalf Of Collin Kidder Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:54 PM To: grlug at grlug.org Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Certification Benjamin Eavey wrote: >> If a company or it's representative are incapable of recognizing, as >> qualification, your experience within the group of people developing >> the very software they require support for... that might be a sign of >> their general competence in other areas. >> >> Further, I will risk suggesting that this might have some bearing on >> how satisfying your employment for said company is likely to be. >> > > HR people, quite often, are only the gatekeepers. It's like this in > many large companies. They don't have much technical knowledge at all, > and their job is to find out which applicants meet the minimum set of > requirements they've been given by a department within the company. > > But, you've got to admit that letting clueless people pick the candidates is just plain stupid. Would you hire a mechanic to pick out your furniture? I really don't understand why so many companies make it HR's job to find people. Doesn't it seem as if an actually knowledgeable person should pick out candidates from the job pool? I mean, I could easily say that I've got all sorts of experience and blow way over head of an HR peon but that would be much tougher to do to someone with an actual understanding of the job they are hiring for. _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From grlug at tankrip.com Fri Jul 25 16:10:57 2008 From: grlug at tankrip.com (Colin Vallance) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:10:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Nokia 770 Linux Tablet Message-ID: <889E5E61-B46F-4981-B0D9-00F378620DA2@tankrip.com> I picked up a Nokia 770 Linux tablet a while back and have had lots of fun with it. I'm now thinking of upgrading or doing something different for my remote admin needs. Would anyone be interested in taking it off my hands relatively cheap? I may stick it on ebay in the end but I figured I'd offer it up to this group first. I'd love to get about $100 for it if possible. Feel free to ask questions. From networkman at triton.net Thu Jul 31 12:30:39 2008 From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:30:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question Message-ID: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> First off, to those that I responded to with freebie switches - I still have 'em, and want to get them to you. But my truck's brakes decided to go out this past Monday, so I've been bumming rides from friends. Hope to get it back for the weekend, and will contact you. :) Second, I have a Dell 6400 PowerEdge server with (4) P3 Xeon 700 processors & 8 Gig of ram. I'd like to get a Linux OS on it that will be able to take advantage of all the processors and address all the ram. Bear in mind, that I'm still somewhat new to Linux. Any suggestions? I've been reading over "CentOS" - www.centos.org but haven't decided whether to download yet or not. Thanks in advance, Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We run numerous CentOS servers in production, the stability and performance is very good. Only downside is if you want to really get into LDAP because RedHat's LDAP support and packages are really bad; for a directory-centric (LDAP) server then openSUSE is a better choise. From erickson.adam.m at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 13:25:58 2008 From: erickson.adam.m at gmail.com (Adam M. Erickson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:58 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question In-Reply-To: <1217523895.5150.3.camel@linux-nnci.site> References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> <1217523895.5150.3.camel@linux-nnci.site> Message-ID: <7cd69fdf0807311025v5c1906e6rf0643d5b3d4437f6@mail.gmail.com> I started out using Debian, Ubuntu was the first system that I really liked. I tried openSuse 11. They do have better gui LAPD administration.You can choose KDE4, KDE3, and Gnome right from install. Guess it doesn't matter if you're going to use it for a dedicated server w/ command line only. > because RedHat's LDAP support and packages are really bad; for a > directory-centric (LDAP) server then openSUSE is a better choise. I agree with Adam's suggestion. When you have time look up Ubuntu servers. Shuttleworth's teams and community documentation are doing a good job I think. I'm running a small LAMP on one. -- Regards, Adam M. Erickson "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. -Isaac Newton" From timschmidt at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 13:43:01 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:43:01 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question In-Reply-To: <7cd69fdf0807311025v5c1906e6rf0643d5b3d4437f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> <1217523895.5150.3.camel@linux-nnci.site> <7cd69fdf0807311025v5c1906e6rf0643d5b3d4437f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807311043g1c947210k1afa24006562df23@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Adam M. Erickson wrote: > I started out using Debian, Ubuntu was the first system that I really > liked. I tried openSuse 11. They do have better gui LAPD > administration.You can choose KDE4, KDE3, and Gnome right from > install. Guess it doesn't matter if you're going to use it for a > dedicated server w/ command line only. > >> because RedHat's LDAP support and packages are really bad; for a >> directory-centric (LDAP) server then openSUSE is a better choise. > > I agree with Adam's suggestion. > When you have time look up Ubuntu servers. Shuttleworth's teams and > community documentation are doing a good job I think. I'm running a > small LAMP on one. We've got an 8 core (two quad-core Opterons), 32Gb ram box here running 64bit Ubuntu server. Works great. --tim From greg at gregfolkert.net Thu Jul 31 13:50:02 2008 From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:50:02 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question In-Reply-To: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> Message-ID: <1217526602.32535.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:30 -0400, Rich Nagel wrote: > First off, to those that I responded to with freebie switches - I > still have 'em, and want to get them to you. But my truck's brakes > decided to go out this past Monday, so I've been bumming rides from > friends. Hope to get it back for the weekend, and will contact > you. :) > > Second, I have a Dell 6400 PowerEdge server with (4) P3 Xeon 700 > processors & 8 Gig of ram. I'd like to get a Linux OS on it that will > be able to take advantage of all the processors and address all the > ram. Bear in mind, that I'm still somewhat new to Linux. Any > suggestions? I've been reading over "CentOS" - www.centos.org but > haven't decided whether to download yet or not. > > Thanks in advance, > Rich Are you looking at 64-bit or 32-bit? 32-bit, you'll need to install the large memory kernel In Ubuntu its the "server" kernel. In Debian its the "bigmem" kernel. I am unsure of RPM based ones... but RedHat used to have "bigiron" or "ent" kernels. If the processors are 64-bit capable (I don't know/remember about Pentium IIIs), a 64-bit Linux should just see it. Since this is a "server" I am assuming you won't need things like flash and java browser plugin and adobe-reader etc... I'd just install the 64-bit version of you chosen Distro (provided the processors are 64-bit capable) Naughty Brakes! -- greg at gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 Alternate Fingerprint: 455F E104 22CA 29C4 933F 9505 2B79 2AB2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/attachments/20080731/6a0387ba/attachment.pgp From networkman at triton.net Thu Jul 31 13:53:39 2008 From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:53:39 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net><1217523895.5150.3.camel@linux-nnci.site> <7cd69fdf0807311025v5c1906e6rf0643d5b3d4437f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the Ubuntu Server suggestion. I didn't realize they made a server version at all - am downloading a copy now. :) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam M. Erickson" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question >I started out using Debian, Ubuntu was the first system that I really > liked. I tried openSuse 11. They do have better gui LAPD > administration.You can choose KDE4, KDE3, and Gnome right from > install. Guess it doesn't matter if you're going to use it for a > dedicated server w/ command line only. > >> because RedHat's LDAP support and packages are really bad; for a >> directory-centric (LDAP) server then openSUSE is a better choise. > > I agree with Adam's suggestion. > When you have time look up Ubuntu servers. Shuttleworth's teams and > community documentation are doing a good job I think. I'm running a > small LAMP on one. > > > -- > Regards, > > Adam M. Erickson > "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. > -Isaac Newton" > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > From networkman at triton.net Thu Jul 31 14:07:40 2008 From: networkman at triton.net (Rich Nagel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:07:40 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Server OS question References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> <1217526602.32535.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: <3C3E56F33E3442C0A3BCE2444D054A07@kdl.net> I just looked it up to be sure - the pIII Xeons are only 32bit, so that answers the question of architecture. I'm sure I'll have more questions as time goes by -- just you wait! :P As for the truck, it's a combination of rusted brake line, as well as pads & rotors needing replacement. Yikes! But what can really be expected, considering it's got nearly 180,000 miles on it? Still cheaper than new car payments. :) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Folkert" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:00:28 2008 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:00:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] Freebies & Server OS question In-Reply-To: <1217526602.32535.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net> References: <05EBFB611BC547AF9D0960C177891917@kdl.net> <1217526602.32535.20.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:30 -0400, Rich Nagel wrote: [snip] > If the processors are 64-bit capable (I don't know/remember about > Pentium IIIs), a 64-bit Linux should just see it. Intel x86 desktop processors didn't support x86-64 until the Core series. Later versions of the P4 had the logic, but it was disabled. Or so it was rumored at the time from folks like Jon Stokes on Ars Technica. -- :wq From mikemol at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:03:46 2008 From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:03:46 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion Message-ID: It's been a while since we've had a meeting. If we were to have one in the next couple months, what are the topics that would interest people, either in the context of personal projects or professional? -- :wq From Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com Thu Jul 31 15:11:28 2008 From: Bill.Pribble at Haworth.com (Bill Pribble) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:11:28 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion References: Message-ID: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30554BA1A@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> I would be interested in learning more in managing printing from different platforms Unix (various vendors) and Linux (and if possible, Windows) using CUPS Thanks Bill Pribble ________________________________ From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org on behalf of Michael Mol Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 3:03 PM To: grlug at grlug.org Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion It's been a while since we've had a meeting. If we were to have one in the next couple months, what are the topics that would interest people, either in the context of personal projects or professional? -- :wq _______________________________________________ grlug mailing list grlug at grlug.org http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug From flanderb at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:52:13 2008 From: flanderb at gmail.com (Benjamin Flanders) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:52:13 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion In-Reply-To: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30554BA1A@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> References: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30554BA1A@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> Message-ID: I'd love to learn about: -sendmail and spam filtering. -Remote family tech support(Linux to Linux) -LVM - though I just saw a Linux.com article that is now on my to read about this -Virtual machines -I also second the cups suggestion. I understand that some of this might have been covered already (VM's) but I think I missed it and maybe there is interest enough to rehash topics. Share and Enjoy Ben On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Bill Pribble wrote: > I would be interested in learning more in managing printing from different platforms Unix (various vendors) and Linux (and if possible, Windows) using CUPS > > Thanks > Bill Pribble > > ________________________________ > > From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org on behalf of Michael Mol > Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 3:03 PM > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion > > > > It's been a while since we've had a meeting. If we were to have one > in the next couple months, what are the topics that would interest > people, either in the context of personal projects or professional? > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > From mailtonick at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 16:00:57 2008 From: mailtonick at gmail.com (mailtonick) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:57 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion In-Reply-To: References: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30554BA1A@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> Message-ID: <30bcf8860807311300k13cda07n7f2639d377791916@mail.gmail.com> I second more discussion about VMs Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking that Joe could do his CUPS presentation, Steve could talk about NOMachine, etc. Who's IN??? Please register @ www.barcampgr.org Thoughts? Casey On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Bill Pribble wrote: > I would be interested in learning more in managing printing from different platforms Unix (various vendors) and Linux (and if possible, Windows) using CUPS > > Thanks > Bill Pribble > > ________________________________ > > From: grlug-bounces at grlug.org on behalf of Michael Mol > Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 3:03 PM > To: grlug at grlug.org > Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion > > > > It's been a while since we've had a meeting. If we were to have one > in the next couple months, what are the topics that would interest > people, either in the context of personal projects or professional? > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > > > _______________________________________________ > grlug mailing list > grlug at grlug.org > http://shinobu.grlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grlug > -- Casey DuBois 616-808-6942 casey at grlug.org From timschmidt at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 19:47:08 2008 From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:47:08 -0400 Subject: [GRLUG] GRLUG meeting topic discussion In-Reply-To: References: <2DAD62F9671F2B4086B98467C14EE7D30554BA1A@nahollex01.NA.Haworthinc.com> Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0807311647s3843325bp166d9d9c167d6e4e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Casey DuBois wrote: > We did a CUPS presentation a few months back which I recorded with the > intentions of posting on the site. My Video camera has since broken so > I have NO way to upload from DV are there any members that could > import the DV's I have and get posted to the site? Casey, I have a miniDV camera, all necessary hardware, and software (all FOSS) to get the job done. I could swing by Nvint tomorrow afternoon (around 4:15ish?) to pick up the tape, and have it on the intertubes later that night. --tim